Networking Windows 7, Vista & XP computers

January 26, 2010 at 13:51:40
Specs: Windows Vista
We've added a Windows 7 machine to our LAN which formerly consisted of a couple of XP computers and a Vista computer. Here's what's happening:

Each computer has a unique name.
Each computer has a different user account.
Each computer is in the workgroup: WORKGROUP.
All firewalls have been disabled entirely while we work on the problem.
The XP machines have SP3 and we downloaded/installed LLTD responder.
All machines have file sharing enabled and at least one folder shared with read/write permission for Everyone.
Every machine can ping every other machine.

The two XP computers can see each other, the Vista machine and the Windows 7 machine. They can access shared folders on those machines as well. We've confirmed this by transferring a few files.
The Vista machine can see the two XP machines and the Windows 7 machine. It can access shared folders on those machines too. We've confirmed this by transferring a few files.
The Windows 7 machine can see the Vista machine and access shared folders on it as well. Again, we transferred a file.
The Windows 7 machine cannot see the XP machines at all.

Our problem is that we'd like to get the Windows 7 machine to access folders on the XP machines. At the moment the XP machines aren't even listed among the network computers and devices (except, curiously, the network map shows one of them).

We'd appreciate any leads or suggestions.
Thank you.


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#1
January 26, 2010 at 14:21:07
Can you get to them by their UNC name. That is, if you open the Run dialog and type in \\computername\sharedfolder does it open?

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#2
January 26, 2010 at 16:42:10
Thanks, Ryan,
I didn't try it as a run command but I did type in that address in Windows Explorer and as the argument to CD and DIR commands. As I recall, the response was akin to "The network is not accessible, access denied" which seemed quite out of context for what we tried earlier (like pinging). Tomorrow morning I'll be trying your suggestion specifically and repeating my ideas just to be sure I'm quoting the response properly.
Thanks again.
Bill

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#3
January 27, 2010 at 09:06:25
I can ping them by netbios name as well as IP address if that's what you mean. I cannot perform net view by either name or IP. In these cases I get error 53 - network path not found. (Recall, however, that this only applies to the Windows 7 machine. The Vista machine succeeds in all these tests.)

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#4
January 27, 2010 at 09:29:02
host name not netbios name - fyi

In tcp/ip properties/wins tab is netbios over tcp/ip enabled?
It should be

All pc firewalls set to trust the local subnet or have all hosts names set to be trusted?

Shared folders on all set to "everyone" with full control?

User accounts exist on all pcs. In other words if you have joe, sam and jill on xp those same accounts with same passwords need to exist on all other pcs.


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#5
January 28, 2010 at 09:54:30
>In tcp/ip properties/wins tab is netbios over tcp/ip enabled?
It should be

Yup

>All pc firewalls set to trust the local subnet or have all hosts names set to be trusted?

Turned off (at least while we work on this).

>Shared folders on all set to "everyone" with full control?

Yes.

>User accounts exist on all pcs.

Yes

No joy.

Thanks for trying.
Bill.


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#6
January 28, 2010 at 10:03:58
post the results of an ipconfig /all from a vista and xp machine.

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#7
January 28, 2010 at 18:23:30
Try each of the three methods listed on this page as each method is a possible solution:

How to set up File Sharing between a Computer with the Windows 7 and Computers with older versions of the Windows Operating System


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#8
January 29, 2010 at 10:00:59
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Mike>ipconfig /all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : MFSA4
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ri.cox.net

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 3:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : ri.cox.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-13-D4-58-EC-BD
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.101
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Friday, January 29, 2010 12:00:47 PM

Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, February 05, 2010 12:00:47 P
M

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Marvell Yukon 88E8001/8003/8010 PCI
Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-13-D4-58-F4-8A

C:\Documents and Settings\Mike>

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Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7600]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Mike>ipconfig /all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : 7Mike64
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 90-E6-BA-3D-C7-C3
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::6102:ce2f:1d70:3bc0%11(Preferred)
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.102(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Friday, January 29, 2010 11:04:11 AM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, February 05, 2010 11:52:47 AM
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 234890776
DHCPv6 Client DUID. . . . . . . . : 00-01-00-01-12-78-EA-9F-90-E6-BA-3D-C7-C3

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Tunnel adapter isatap.{33E6494C-AC0E-4833-9A7D-411E48B79A00}:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter #2
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 2001:0:4137:9e74:60:e56:bbf6:3414(Preferr
ed)
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::60:e56:bbf6:3414%14(Preferred)
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : ::
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

C:\Users\Mike>

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Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6002]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Sisyphus>ipconfig /all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Vostro-1510
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ri.cox.net

Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : ri.cox.net
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Dell Wireless 1505 Draft 802.11n WLAN Min
i-Card
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-23-4D-34-62-7C
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::25a5:b72a:d56f:41b8%11(Preferred)
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.100(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Friday, January 29, 2010 11:53:50 AM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, February 05, 2010 11:53:49 AM
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 184558413
DHCPv6 Client DUID. . . . . . . . : 00-01-00-01-12-5F-06-5E-00-21-70-E2-4B-F7

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 7:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 02-00-54-55-4E-01
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 11:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : isatap.XanadU
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 13:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : isatap.Ultima Thule
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

C:\Users\Sisyphus>

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Isat at each machine an issued "ipconfig /all".
I copied the response to file on each machine.
I sat at the Vista machine an collected those files from the other machines and copied each to this posting.
Vista and XP can see each other and pass files even though these two machines are in different workgroups. They can see each other.and pass files even though they don't share common user names. Vista can reach into the Win7 machine too. Go figure!
(Note that in prior posts, I had set identical workgroups and established common user names.

Thanks.
Bill


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#9
January 29, 2010 at 10:45:44
XP machine MFSA4
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes [wrong]
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes [wrong]
No netbios over tcp/ip mentioned in ipconfig.

This looks messed up. You are not wins proxing, neither are you routing. No ipv6 listed like all the others.

I would recommend disabling ipv6 on all computers so they all talk ipv4.

DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ri.cox.net [not listed in 7Mike64 ipconfig list which is strange if all are getting the same settings from the router dhcp

Biggest problem appears to be the xp machine network config with no netbios enabled over tcp/ip and doing routing/wins proxy.


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#10
January 31, 2010 at 18:43:11
I checked Advanced TCP/IP: no WINS settings were entered and NETBIOS uses the default deferring to the DHCP server. Internet Options likewise has no proxy entered.

In any event, it's all moot. The culprit was Norton Internet Security on the Windows 7 machine. It was supposedly not installed on the [new] computer but although not listed in add/remove programs, there were a few NIS folders. I removed them and everything works beautifully.

I owe everyone thanks for your efforts. I appreciate the help. I'm very grateful - thanks.
Bill


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#11
February 15, 2010 at 09:39:43
Incidentally.... with only the NT family of OS - certainly W2K/XP and also Vista/Wind-7 too there is no need of "NetBios over tcp/ip...". That was more use when including dos/'9x systems in the network ...

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