From Twin-Home to Office Which is better Cat5 or Wireless

February 25, 2015 at 15:09:10
Specs: Windows 7
So this is very convoluted, but to sum it up ATT are ridiculous. Currently we have a main home and a granny unit that shares a garage. Both have DSL lines with only the main having a phone line as well.

Next we built my little sister a home [we are contractors] 150m+ away. When they called ATT and got U-Verse which is all thats available here, they used the main homes address they "Took" our connection.

So when I called after getting many calls about saving with Uverse and getting better speeds, they then told us they were sorry but the address is taken.

Its ridiculous on so many levels. So now ATT says even though we are paying now for 3 connections we will have to continue to pay for 2 DSL`s+1 uverse no matter what. Also they wont send a tec here to "move" my DSL from the guest house to my man cave, which is about 130 ft from the phone box.

So my problem is I added my man cave out of a shipping container and TBH I rather use wired as im a major gamer.

I guess I need advice on how to take the DSL hookup from the phone box and bury it or raise it.

Questions are....

Should I just use normal outdoor phone cable straight from the "Dry DSL" line? SHould I take it from the little splitter in the garage where meet?

Or should I simply leave the modem in Granny unit hidden somewhere [because my wife hates a mess] and then use Cat5 the whole length?

I just need general help on how to proceed. We have all the tools for burying anything [bobcats,backhoes etc] And while im pretty damned good with certain areas of computing networking is my worst.

So Run cat5 and leave modem in house, or take modem in man cave and run phone cable to it?

I mean I can open my box andsee it clearly labled "Dry DSL" and I coud just splice into that right? Or is there some interference/protocal I would screw up?

Please help guys I have never been to lost as what to do.

And FYI ATT wont give us any service, and even though comcast runs cable here ATT wont let me give us cable either.

I just want my Xbox and gaming PC and work stuff in my shipping container and am 150 ft away from the box. Luckily we also live in the country so we dont have to deal with other people.

And I dont want ATT to stop service if I push this to far as we are net dependent now for our SOLAR.

Sry for errors im on phone that keeps dying.


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#1
February 25, 2015 at 15:37:37
A few questions:

Do the assorted "accommodations" have their own "fuse" boxes (consumer units)?

Confirm the max distance you would need to extend a viable dsl signal to.

Would not wifi allow you what you want; or does "heavy gaming" require a cat-5/ethernet connection?

If you go with a cable run - you're well within (if you are only 150ft overall) for a cat5e - ideally encased in some form of conduit (plastic) to increase protection. And this would allow you to simply run an extension router from the main incoming signal/router installation to your remote location?

I would be cautious about splicing onto any isp incoming cts; they "might/could" get a little peeved and upset...? Also you cannot simply splice onto a incoming cct. with a view to "sharing" it to two locations... The extender/router etc. options would allow you to either extend it to one, or share with two...

However I'm not current with USA/Canadian isp practices (currently in UK - that little safe haven parked just of the west coast of Europe); so possibly a few of the chaps who are in USA/Canada (Curt R, Wanderer, OItH, XPuser etc.) may be able to advise more based on local knowledge?


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#2
February 25, 2015 at 16:19:14
I agree with trvlr. Your best option for signal strength and stability is to run an Ethernet (cat 5e, cat xx) cable to the location. Bury the cable in appropriate conduit or run overhead in a protective sheath, it is up to you depending on your most desireable and achievable outcome. Ethernet cable can be run for a distance of 100 metres (330 feet) without suffering signal degradation.

The Ethernet cable will run from your ADSL modem / router to the man cave. If you have more than one device you wish to connect in the man cave terminate the Ethernet cable to a switch. A "fast Ethernet" switch will suffice. From the switch you will connect your wired devices, Xbox, PC etc. This setup will require little to no configuration, just plug everything in and you should be up and running.

There are other options such as wireless, which you are considering and EOP (Ethernet over power) but neither of these will offer the stability and speed you will get from a direct wired Ethernet connection. They also require a bit of tweaking to get running.

Also your ADSL modem / router should have as little cable from the modem / router to the wall socket as possible. If you add length (as little as a couple of feet or even less) to the phone line cable that runs from the wall socket to the modem you will very quickly compromise the signal quality.

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#3
February 26, 2015 at 06:44:06
I would recommend you use an outdoor grade of cable regardless of whether you go under, or above ground. Since you're a contractor, I'm sure you could run an underground cable easy as pie and that's what I would do if it were me. But I wouldn't run just one, I'd run 2 to 4 cables.

I've run many, many miles of cable over the years and done enough outdoor to know you want to use the heavier encased, grease packed outdoor grade cable in either case. If it were me, I'd use some PVC (1 to 2" dia) as my conduit and I would make sure you glue all the sections together nicely and bring it right through the wall at both ends to keep it from filling up with water and dirt.

If you run multiple cables, you could extend the phone line itself out to the man cave using one pair of one cable. I would try this out and see how the ADSL works with it extended that way. If it doesn't work well (and it should), you could always move the modem/router back to your mother-in-law house. My preference would be modem and router in the man cave where I can easily reach them should it become necessary to reboot or do something to it physically.

With a phone cable you can just splice straight across. I would not recommend splicing network cables unless you have an actual coupler designed for this.

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How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

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#4
February 26, 2015 at 07:19:28
Agree with Curt R's advice - not the least running more than one cable; better to run a few and then you have them for future use. Cat-5 etc. can be used to extend phone lines without any problem. Standard practice in more than a few studios I have been involved with, where there was a need to provide plug-in phone points around a studio wall (set for possible modem etc. use.).

The same cables (all standard ethernet ports) could also be used to extend a temporary lan to wherever in the studio/set. One simply makes an adapter for phone use; ethernet to whatever whatever phone adapter require (typically rj5, or 11 or 12?); and you can even buy them but easy enuff to make them oneself?... There is limit of course in the permitted/recommended number of "breaks/connections" within any given ethernet cable run. I seem to recall it being no more than 5; as each "break/connection" represents an insertion loss - and too many such "losses" results in degradation of the signal... But in your situation that isn't likely to be reached...


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#5
February 26, 2015 at 13:59:55
Wow thank you for the info. ALl of you. I didnt realize the phone chords from socket to modem were so short on purpose.

You all gave me great advice so I will respond as I read it all. You all sound very intelligent.

Ok so now we established we will run Cat5E my question is how can I hide the modem etc?

Basically the Phone line is right in my wife's living room and she doesn`t care if I take the modem and internet just that there isnt any wires.

I think I will just take pictures for you guys to see my setup at the box. But basically what I was thinking is at the box site normal phone wire goes into a garage. This garage is the barrier between main house and granny unit.

So my thought was to plug in the modem in that garage before the DSL/Phone cable ever got to the jack. I hope that makes sense.

Basically where the phone jack is would mean sending a cable through a window or outer wall and how would I go about hiding it? So I was thinking of taking the "DSL" before it ever even hit the phone jacks in the house and re-routing it to the man cave.

So summed up my wife doesnt need here Modem at all, and my man cave does. But the DSL "Phone "Box" leads into garage and then splits into the two homes.

So in the meantime of me getting photos for you guys. Take into account my wifes need of no visble wires and here non-need for internet. Maybe this could change something?

But just to clarify. The normal Phone cable that plugs into a phone could not be ran to any real length?

What ever I decide I will use the heavy duty and redundant methods you guys recommend as half my work is fixing poor work or adding on things later.

ALso by you saying run multiple cables do you mean side by side in case I need a 2nd hard line.Sorry guys I feel dumb. Im a total newb here.


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#6
February 26, 2015 at 14:03:40
If you run multiple cables, you could extend the phone line itself out to the man cave using one pair of one cable. I would try this out and see how the ADSL works with it extended that way. If it doesn't work well (and it should), you could always move the modem/router back to your mother-in-law house. My preference would be modem and router in the man cave where I can easily reach them should it become necessary to reboot or do something to it physically.

This is exactly what I want to do is have the modem in the cave. Im just not sure I guess where to intercept the incoming signal? If thats the right word.

I`ll take pictures. I just had surgery so it might be a day or so. Wow you guys are really great.


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#7
February 26, 2015 at 14:28:11
No worries and no hurries.

How, and where you extend from is going to depend on where the main phone line comes into the granny house. I would suggest you locate where the phone line comes in to the granny house and run from that point.

Now, I don't do phones a whole lot, and when I do, they're usually VoIP, but it seems to me where the main phone line comes into a house, there should be some kind of a junction box where you could attach the line you run out to the man cave.

If the granny house has a basement, and the main phone connections is down there, then you simply run a trench to whatever depth and run the conduit right through the foundation into the basement of the granny house. Pull your cables through and connect one pair of one cable to the phone junction box and you should have a working phone line out in the man cave. It shouldn't require any splicing at all. Just turning two screws.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

***William Henley***


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