Complicated Network Setup

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January 25, 2009 at 05:35:58
Specs: Windows Vista, AMD X2 1500mhz 3GB RAM
I'm trying to setup a complicated network setup that I can't quite work out how to do. I have only ever used networs with one router.

The image linked shows the setup I would like

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/...

I have a PC which is directly connected to a router. I would then like to connect this with a second wired card to a second router using the pC as a bridge. How do I bridge connections I've never done this before.

Hopefully then the second router presumably with DHCP turned off will have internet access as well as network access to the PC (required for the media server). Do I plug into this router through the WAN port or just the normal LAN port?

What IP settings do I then need to have on the Xbox and the media server for them to have access to the internet and the original PC respectively.

Thanks in advance

JC


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#1
January 25, 2009 at 05:50:45
I have a PC which is directly connected to a router. I would then like to connect this with a second wired card to a second router using the pC as a bridge.

Why do you feel you need to use two routers and a PC as a bridge? If you have no specific reason then you're wasting your time doing so and adding complexity (remember the KISS principle = keep it simple silly!).

Unless you have a very specific need to segment your network this way you're really wasting time and $$$ attempting to do it.


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#2
January 25, 2009 at 06:05:47
Based on the geography of the house this is the only setup I can see that works, without drilling any more holes and running any more wires. tbh i don't really understand the concept of a network bridge, is that infact what I want?

The reason I need this setup is that my router is connected direct to my PC, this is fine. The xbox and media server are in the lounge. The only way I can think of of getting network and internet access to the lounge involves using a special USB network adapter that I have that runs through the power lines. Once I have internet access there I can think of no other way to shre it between the two devices than to use a second router. Is there another more simple setup you can recommend.


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#3
January 25, 2009 at 08:36:59
"Is there another more simple setup you can recommend."

simplist is run a wire to the lounge from the existing router and connect a switch.

You do not need a second router
You do not need to go from your pc

now instead of the switch you can put in a compatable-to-router1 wireless bridge that you connect the xbox and media server...but wireless for gaming or streaming is not great compared to wired.


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#4
January 25, 2009 at 11:54:58
"...a special USB network adapter that I have that runs through the power lines. Once I have internet access there I can think of no other way to shre it between the two devices than to use a second router."

Okay, how are you going to connect this "special USB network adapter" to the 2nd router that you put in your lounge? If you can use this "USB network adapter" with a router, then why can't you use it to go stright from the 1st router to a switch in the lounge where you plug in the other two devices? Finally, is it possible to move the Internet connection and 1st router to the lounge and then you just have one device (the computer) as a remote connection, which could connect to the router either through the "USB network adapter" or WiFi? The point being, it is not a good network design to use a personal computer to bridge two routers, it's just asking for ongoing headaches.


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#5
January 25, 2009 at 17:22:33
It really is unbelievable, I see this in almost every forum. Someone sets out in their question what they would like to achieve and instead of offering advice how to do it people just tell them why that is not what they want to do. Please believe me, this is the setup I need, how do I go about doing this! I'm certain its possible, why does no one want to help me? Just because I'm asking a question doesn't mean I'm stupid, I have looked at the various options, the equipment I have and the geopgraphy and this is what needs to be done.

@wanderer I have already stated I do not want to drill any more holes so a wired cable is not an option.

@pyrolytic the network adapter is USB at one end and ethernet at the other so at least one end needs to be connected to a PC whilst the other one can go to a router. I would prefer to keep my PC wired because the internet is much faster. The power line cable only runs at 10Mbs max so moving the modem and running the internet back to the PC would be no good for my 20Mbs connection.


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#6
January 25, 2009 at 18:53:21
See if this layout works for you. Instead of uplinking to a second router, you use Internet connection sharing in Windows so the PC acts as the router. This should give the XBOX and mediaserver Internet access if need be and put them both on with the PC on the same network.

http://s590.photobucket.com/albums/...

Please let me know if there is some aspect of this I am missing.

Assume that I already did an Internet search.


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#7
February 3, 2009 at 13:50:40
>>It really is unbelievable, I see this in almost every forum. Someone sets out in their question what they would like to achieve and instead of offering advice how to do it people just tell them why that is not what they want to do.<<

This is because inexperienced people sometimes don't ask good questions. Or they ask how to do something that the more experienced users know is a waste of time.

Let's say you wanted to change the oil in your car. You don't know anything about cars, but you know the oil goes somewhere in the engine, so you decide to remove the engine to figure out where to put the oil. And you post a question on a car mechanics forum asking how to remove an engine. The more experienced users know that you don't have to remove the engine to change the oil, and they post telling you to go about it differently. Removing the engine is a big waste of time and money, and there are better ways to accomplish your goal. Would you rather have people give you exactly what you think you need? Or would you rather benefit from the experience and expertise of others, and accept suggestions about a better way to do what you're trying to accomplish?

So...in your case, you're asking how to do something admittedly complicated. Others are telling you that the way you intend to go about it isn't the best way at all. In fact, it's a waste of time and money.

You say to please believe you, that this is the setup you need, but then you also say that you are inexperienced. So how do you know this is what you need, and why aren't you willing to listen to anyone's advice to the contrary? The Internet isn't a magical black box where you put in a quarter and out comes exactly what you think you want.

That being said, "your" way is actually pretty simple. Install two NICs in the PC, configure each to talk on the network it's connected to, replace "router 2" with a switch, and that's pretty much it.


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#8
February 3, 2009 at 13:54:17
>>@wanderer I have already stated I do not want to drill any more holes so a wired cable is not an option.<<


But in your diagram, there's a wired cable running from PC to the Router 2!

Regardless of how you're going to set this up, how are you going to get around running a cable from the PC to the lounge? Even if you do exactly what you originally asked for help doing, you'd still have to run a cable.


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#9
February 4, 2009 at 07:03:44
justcop you did't bother reading my post. I never said to drill a hole. I said running a cable would be the simplist.

I then went on to recommend a wireless bridge [since you don't want holes].

You had your answer but clearly you are the one not listening.


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