Can I enable both modem/router and router wifi?

March 5, 2014 at 07:28:03
Specs: Ubuntustudio, 3.2 dual core/8gb
Hi my modem is also a router(Siemens speedstream 6520) and my router is a Belkin N wireless. Can i enable both to do wifi? with the same ethernet connection. I have a long place and the wifi down where the modem is is not enabled. The wifi at the other end of my place where the router is . I can't get the wifi in my bathroom of bedroom at the modem end. Is it possible?

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#1
March 5, 2014 at 08:16:31
just follow this guide to set this up properly. then you can have them both enabled
http://www.techsupportforum.com/300...

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#2
March 6, 2014 at 07:00:01
Sorry its taken me so long to reply. I am not adding a router so the article is not what i am after. First there is the modem/router(Siemens speedstream 6520) then the router connected to it(belkin wireless n). I use the belking device as a router at present and not the siemens device. I want to use the siemens as well as the belkin for wifi. At present i only access wifi via the belkin device.
I logged into the siemens device yesterday and noticed that there was something there but just cant understand it. I have only had this modem/router since i have had adsl so never logged into other modems before

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#3
March 6, 2014 at 10:14:24
"I am not adding a router "

Why would you think that? You have added a router and its called belkin.

Did you understand the point of the article which was to make one large lan for you as to how you presently have it setup as two?

Here is a how to for enabling the wifi on your siemans
http://support.bell.ca/Internet/Con...

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#4
March 7, 2014 at 05:54:00
I dont understand what you are saying> as i said i didnt add. Everything is already in place. Connections have been working for at least two years or more.
Sorry the article is over my head and way too many steps. I really dont know where to start or where it is relevent to me.
So back to my original question. Can both routers(one also being a modem) have wifi enabled at the same time? Will read that article you just posted thanks

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#5
March 7, 2014 at 05:56:48
Cool ok read it and it seems clear. Will wait until you say it is ok to enable it seeing that the other device has wifi enabled on the same connection

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#6
March 16, 2014 at 08:36:01
OK been super busy sorry. OK seems i might not be clear enough. I am not adding a router. The router is how i am accessing wifi right now. When i do use it which is rare. I mainly use ethernet. So all i am wanting to do is enable the wifi on the modem. The speedstream. That last link talked about enabling the wifi on the router(belkin) and not the modem(siemens speedstream. That first link you sent me is way too complicated so if there is another way round i am not getting it because it keeps talkng about a scenario that is not what i am asking about. If i get more time in a few days i will do a diagram so maybe it will be more clear thanks :0)

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#7
March 16, 2014 at 09:01:08
To enable wifi on the Speedstream you access its setup/management page (using an ethernet/cat-5 connection).

Then look for the wifi section; ensure it's "enabled"…; note the SSID and password...

Be sure you use an encrypted password to control/limit access it - for obvious reasons.

This link discusses it to some degree and will give you likely most of what you need to know?

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/rem...

http://setuprouter.com/router/sieme...

- is "version" of the manual and dig through it and you will find the wifi section.

And this is the Siemens site for the download of the manual; it's taking an age this Sunday afternoon...

http://www.siemens.com.tr/i/assets/...

And this a YouTube video re' the basics too (two parts)…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thot...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D60I...


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#8
March 16, 2014 at 09:06:42
Hi so are you saying to unhook my router to access the modem only? OK i keep forgetting what an ssid is. Username? An encrypeted password is a unique one? Sorry i have read about it but i dont get what it truly means.
Thanks for the links will try them in a few days. I am way past bed time and got a busy 3 days ahead. Thanks :0)

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#9
March 16, 2014 at 09:42:43
To enable wifi on any router (that allows wifi - and most do these days) you must connect to it via a cat-5/ethernet cabe/connection from a computer.

Each router brand has its own ip address, and the info above gives it for your router.

SSID is the the name the router broadcasts into the wifi spectrum so you know which one to look for and connect to. Which is why when you set up wifi on a router - you note (write down) what the default is; similarly the default access-key.

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/S/SSI...

Generally advised to either hide (there is an option for that) the SSID - once you know what it is; or at least change the access-key (it's an encrypted password) which allows those who know it (the password) to connect to the router. Some will advocate you do both... The idea is to make less easy for unauthorised users to logon to your wifi service and use your bandwidth; maybe even hack into your network too...

Once wifi is enabled on the Speedstream you merely need to look for it in the list of wifi access points in your immediate area. Select it and provide the appropriate "access-key/password" to connect... That password is (usually) case sensitive; ideally includes letters and numbers. If you don't either hide the SSID, or change it to something else (there is an option for that too), then you are a little vulnerable to anyone who knows the brand (and thus possibly recognising the default SSID) also knowing what the default access-key "may" be... So one usually does one or other at least...

There is another quite simple (and very effective) level of security available too, that does seriously restrict unauthorised users accessing a wifi system too; but let's go there later...

You need to read the manual(s) carefully; and may a little scholarship too via the web to understand how wifi works in terms of setup. It's actually quite straightforward - once you read and digest it all slowly/carefully. The manuals these days are generally written with a total novice in mind. Which isn't say that on occasion there isn't room for improvement in some of them; and even those more familiar with it all on occasion need to consult the manual.

Also the YouTube videos posted earlier are pretty good too - credit to whomever there.


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#10
March 16, 2014 at 09:50:26
OK but as i said before somewhere i am already able to access wifi via the router. I want to do it also via the modem that has wifi also.
OK so the ssid is the name of the device. OK i get it. Oh yes i know how to access it once set up. I am already able to access wifi via the belkin router . I did set that up with help from a forum maybe 1.5 years ago not sure. The signal is too weak in the bedroom so thats why i want both devices with wifi...the belkin modem is in the bedroom. Anyway will read the rest later. Off the bed :0)

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#11
March 16, 2014 at 11:15:58
There seems to be confusion somewhere as to which is the router (Belkin?) and which is a modem (Speedstream - you call it a modem but it's also a router).

The Siemens is a modem and router - all-in-one. Almost certainly your Belkin is the same (has a modem built-in and that can/does feed into the built-in router).

Presuming your dsl service goes into the Siemens ; enable wifi on the Siemens. Then add the Belkin as wifi access point - it's actual network feed coming in from the Siemens (you connect an ethernet o/p from the Siemens to the Belkin).

And yes both the Siemens and Belkin can have wifi enabled at the same time (to answer your question at the end of your post #5)


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#12
March 16, 2014 at 21:06:48
If you had followed the article I linked you to you would have achieved the following results;

1. You could use both routers wifi for access. You would just make them different ssid names is my preference so I know which I am on.
2. Any device connected to either could access the other for sharing since everyone would be in the same subnet.

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#13
March 17, 2014 at 03:05:44
Wanderer: Couldn't agree more with you in all aspects.

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#14
March 19, 2014 at 02:42:57
Belkin is a router(wifi/ethernet) only and siemens speedstream is all in one. The belkin is not a modem. Ok thats what i wanted to know. Can i enable both devices for wifi at the same time. Thanks will enable it on another day :0) Ok the ssid thing i dont fully understand. I thought if thats the name of the device it is automatically something that is assigned. I unfortunately still dont have time to look at anything. Sorry court case and it takes to long for external pages to load on the mobile and i am not on a desktop much right now. Ok ummm the rest i am over tired and not understanding. Sorry. Will have to read through when i can to see where it says how to enable wifi on the Siemens speedstream 6520. Thanks

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#15
March 20, 2014 at 04:13:28
OK finally had a little time. OK i looked at the link in #3 and i got the log in page for the Belkin router which is confusing. I tried via my linux desktop that is plugged into the router and then i tried via the siemens modem using my laptop. So what am i doing wrong. Sorry wanderer i know you are trying to help :0(

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#16
March 20, 2014 at 08:11:18
I think you are making this more complicated than it is.

In a nutshell:
You logon to the belkin.
You disable its dhcp server
You assign it a lan address in the seimens lan subnet like if the seimens is doing 192.168.1.1 you assign the belkin 192.168.1.2
You enable the wifi with a ssid of belkin1
You set the wifi passphrase.
You save the configuration.
You connect the belkin to the seimens from seimens lan port to belkin lan port.
You DO NOT use the belkin wan port.

Your seimens is already setup for lan and wifi so you are done.

It is that simple.

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#17
March 25, 2014 at 03:28:27
OK sorry but most of that i dont get. Sorry nutshells dont complete the details and i am lost. I get that you are now saying i am now logging into the belkin. I thought it was the speedstream. Gee sorry its overwelming. There are several questions to each one of the statements and i have to keep scrolling up to the other info. Gee its going to have to wait til i am not so swamped which is i dont know when. Because its so many days since i last looked i am going from scratch again and forgotten everything :0(

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#18
March 25, 2014 at 06:04:05
Perhaps confirm:

Which device is connected to your isp service - as in, which one is the first in the chain?

It will be connected to the isp feed into your home by a suitable cable.

And (even though obvious after the answer to the first question) which device is in effect second in the chain; as inwhich is to connect "to" the first device (via cat-5/ethernet cable)?

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#19
March 25, 2014 at 06:11:43
Gee sorry but done that about three times. The modem is the Siemens speedstream 6520 and the router is the Belkin n1 wireless. Siemens first then Belkin :0)

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#20
March 25, 2014 at 14:49:31
I know you've done that earlier... But the with the wealth of confusion you seem to buried in it seemed useful to clarify that again.

Ensure you have setup the Speedstream correctly for wifi; ethernet is almost automatic as all you have to do is to enter your isp account details?

http://support.bell.ca/Internet/Pro...

Page 11 onwards below is all about setting up the wifi

http://support.bell.ca/_web/Interne...

The Speedstream is a modem/router all in one "box".

Verify the Speedstream wifi works; and note the SSID and password for the wifi access.on the Speedstream.

Note also the adress style it is using - actually really called the subnet. (See Wanderer's earlier post). It will be providing ip addresses that are 192.168.x.y - where x = typically 1 or 2 (depends on the router defaults and your isp but can be changed to suit...) y = anthing from 2 to 253; y = 1 or 254 are reserved values and to to be used.

Then connect your Belkin to your isp service and also (ethernet connection) to your computer - disconnect the speedstream for the moment entirely.

Access the Belkin home page and as Wanderer instructed earlier, locate and disable iits dhcp function. Assign the Belkin a fixed/specific ip address, where in the 192.168.x.y address x = the same as in the Speedstream. Give y a value on the Belkin something like 100 ( that way it's a value not likely to served out by the Speedstream dhcp server).

Enable wifi and either note the current SSID and password, or rename the SSID at least - much along the lines of Wanderer's earlier model? Default password you can either keep, or change... Either way note what it is. Ensure you "are" using an encrypted password on both the Belkin and the Speedstream (they will of course be different),

Recoonect Speedstream to isp, connect Belkin to Speedstream (ethernet/cat-5 connection).

Look for both routers in the list of wifi access points in your area. Connect to one or other as appropriate with the correct password for whichever device you opt...

Job done...

If you don't have the full user guide for the Belkin either google for it, or go directly to the Belkin support area for model; and download it. It will take you through all the steps for wfif setup - which will be very much the same as those for the Speedstream.

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#21
March 25, 2014 at 15:24:50
And this may be of interest/help - nother how to...

http://www.labnol.org/software/add-...


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#22
March 25, 2014 at 17:17:43
Your "modem" is a router. Your belkin is a router. It is important to properly identify the equipment you are using so you know its feature set.

Beyond that rapattack it does not appear you are reading any of the source material we are linking you to. My "nutshell" should have done it for you.

If you have questions than ask but the helter skelter approach isn't going to help you.

So what about logging into the belkin and assigning it a ip address and disabling its dhcp server did you have questions about?

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#23
March 25, 2014 at 20:04:50
No its confusing as theres too much said and i cant wade thru it all. I did state everything. I dont know what else to say. I am stuck as the ip address is for the belkin. So how can i set up the speedstream or do anything if the numbers i keep getting given is the log in page for the belkin? I dont know why but there it is

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#24
March 26, 2014 at 02:39:08
If you actually read properly the Speedstream manual you will find it gives you the ip address for the Speedstream web-page and management areas.

All router manuals give that very basic and essential information.

You need to sit down, read the manual for each item - remembering both are modem/routers combined.

Either one (Speedstream or Belkin) can be the controlling router (plugged into the isp service itself) whilst the other is connected that "controlling" one - be it by ether of the methods already detailed here in post above, or deailed in the links also provided above.

Unless you're willing to stop, read - carefully - and follow the information in the manuals etc. - you ain't going nowhere further in getting it to work for you.

So slow down, even better stop. Then read and go through it step by step... Failing that you mightbe better to find a local techie inclined friend to set it up for you? There is only so much we can do here, if you're either unable or unwilling to to do a little homwork and learn...


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#25
March 27, 2014 at 18:56:26
Yes but i cant get past the login. Its still giving me the belkins login even tho its the ip address for the speedstream. Not going to be able to progess if i cant get past that.
No they are both not modems. Anyway dont have time right now to go thru everything.

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#26
March 28, 2014 at 10:53:48
You would connect by cable to the seimans with the belkin not connected to the seimans. Your pc would be configured for autoassigned ip address. You would go to a command prompt and type ipconfig. You would note the gateway address. Lets say it is 192.168.1.1

Now you would connect by cable to the belkin with the belkin attached to nothing else. You would logon to the belkin and change its gateway ip to 192.168.1.2. You would disable its dhcp server. You would save the configuration than exit.

The rest is outlined in the nutshell and linked documents

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#27
April 3, 2014 at 07:03:34
Hi i think i understand. The default gateway is 10.0.0.......... i guess i am not supposed to post exact address. so the next number up is what i supposed to change that other address as?

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#28
April 3, 2014 at 08:50:03
Your ip addresses are the same hundreds of thousands if not millions of people have. They are private ip and being so are not a security risk.

So if the seimans gateway is 10.0.0.1 you would set the belkin gateway to 10.0.0.2

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#29
April 4, 2014 at 06:57:10
cool ok will get it done in a few days. too swamped to unhook stuff and move computers :0) thanks

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