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Best way to extend DSL broadband to farm barn

January 28, 2016 at 07:23:42
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i have an underground phone wire i ran from my home to my farm shop. i have dsl in my home from the phone line. can i add a router to the phone line in the shop and get internet there too?

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January 28, 2016 at 09:53:50
If you mean add a router in the barn to the in-house router, and thus get dsl that way in the barn using an underground phone line as the link - then no.

For a hard connection between the two locations (wired connection) you need an ethernet cable; or... You could investigate using power line (aka homepljug) adapters. You plug one adapter into an adjacent socket by the router; connect it to the router via an ethernet/cat-5 cable. Plug a similar adapter into a power outlet in the barn. Then you have a connection bewtween the two sites - using mains wiring as the intermediary...

You can then install a second router, connected via an ethernet/cat-5 cable to the adapter, in the barn to act as a repeater for the (master) router in house. Once the barn router is correctly configured (it's very simple to) you would have both ethernet and wifi options in the barn

If you need more details on the above... post back.

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January 28, 2016 at 13:16:25
Is the phone line direct burial or in a conduit? If it's in a conduit, is there enough room to fish an ethernet cable thru it?

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January 28, 2016 at 13:31:07
And if conduit the distance more than 300 ft from house router to intended position of garage router?

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January 28, 2016 at 14:15:41
It is a direct burial . As you can tell I'm great at planting crops but terrible at any computer intellect. Can I just splice an Ethernet end onto the old underground phone wire(since I don't use a land line anymore ) then plug it into my working router and splice an Ethernet end onto the opposite end and get the service that way. I'd be happy to pay extra to the provider company. Or is a regular underground phone wire not strong enough to carry the signal? It's about 200 feet away. Thanks everyone for helping.

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January 28, 2016 at 15:05:36
Simple answer - no. the cables are different to start with (phone likely 2 or 3 core and ethernet is a minimum of 4 ideally 6).

Also "splicing" be it simply twisting ends together, using a suitable connecting device, or soldering, will introduce so much loss in the cct., and also render it vulnerable to interference...

If you're into digging a trench and laying a conduit (pvc is fine) through which you can draw a genuine cat-5 or better cat-5e cable, that would be one way. You're well inside the max length for cat-5/ethernet cable run. Equally you may find it possible to run a conduit on the surface (along a secure wall/fence. But not knowing the topography of your garden/yard etc. not sure if this is viable for you.

Equally you could use a wifi ti wifi extnder arrangement; but this arrangement is by no means the best.

The homeplug (lan over mains) adapter approach is likely the better option? You would need 2 adapters and of course another router for the garage (if wishing more than just one network port). Just using the adapters alone will allow just one connection in garage, hence the second router in the garage.

edited to correct iPad induced typos... trvlr

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January 28, 2016 at 16:59:51
With EoP (Ethernet over power) or power line adapters bear in mind that if the house power and the farm shop power both have separate power meters that this option won't work. Also the age of the house and farm shop (or the quality of the copper cabling on the site) can make or break EoP setups.

EoP is the most ideal solution for you so long as the conditions are ideal. If you have a retailer that will let you return the devices if they don't work it is worth a shot.

The cheapest and most reliable option is running Ethernet cable to the garage but it is the most labor intensive.

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January 29, 2016 at 03:56:59
Thank You. I have separate power and both buildings and too much concrete to go under for a new trench . Looks my only option will be a point to point antenna . I've heard these are t very effective , but as a last resort I will check into going this route. I don't mind spending more money this way if it is a reliable solution . Any advice before I go ahead and start shopping for devices would be appreciated . I'm really impressed with the help I've received and this site.

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January 29, 2016 at 04:24:13
First, check the existing phone cable. While it's not likely that it's Cat5, 5e or 6, it may be.

Assuming it's not one of the above, is it possible to use that phone cable to pull some ethernet cable from house to barn?

The big question of course is how far is it from home to barn? Cat5/6 has a maximum segment length limit of 100 meters (380 feet) As long as you're within that distance, and I would recommend not to exceed 300 feet, you can use a cable. If however, the distance exceeds that, you may want to consider using wireless point-to-point antennas to bridge the distance.

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January 29, 2016 at 05:56:50
"dsz" has confirmed the distance to be 200ft; so he's well inside the 300ft limitation.

The point to point antennae approach is another viable option; but cost and possible issues re' interference "might" impinge?

If "dsz" can in effect trial/test using homeplug adapter approach it might be worth to pursue? This as long as he can return the two adapters (which he will require for the trial/test) to the vendor if the situation/circumstance doesn't allow that approach as a the solution?

Who knows "dsz" may be lucky and find that the phone cable is in actuality cat-5 cable; not unknown for some installers to use it for some extension wiring (especially outdoors). Mind you if it's buried in the ground (and not actually protected - not in conduit, or not designed/spec'd for direct burial) it may be in a less than ideal state?

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January 29, 2016 at 08:25:02
A dumb question: Since my dsl service come from a regular land line box on the outside of my house , can I not get the same service if I connect my old phone line to the barn to the outside phone box Jack at the house and then just buy another ATT modem/router box and set it up just like in my house? Basically having 2 modem routers off off two separate phone lines from my outside box ? Or is that too simple ?

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January 29, 2016 at 13:11:39
You would have to pay for additional DSL service and probably a service call to connect it up.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.

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January 29, 2016 at 13:27:23
erm.. no.... you get one service to one router. You can't run the single feed to two (or more) routers and all of them active/working at the same time.

However as long as the single feed is clearly stable and available at both locations... you probably could use a router at either lcation - but only one location at a time.

But... generally dsl to router connection is best if it's very short, ideally directly from the master socket. Whilst can be distributed around a home (with that wiring having the phone outlets in a series arrangement rather than the more common star arrangement; and the latter is very common in many homes), even that can be less than ideal. And you want to send it over a 200ft cable, of unknown quality and state - hard to say if it will work well enough - if at all...

You could try it by connecting your current router to the barn phone line, and connecting the dsl service to that phone line? If it works, then possibly you can try with your current router connected as now, and a second router in the barn. But again you will only be able to use one router at a time; the other must be powered down, or at least disconnected from the dsl service.

Where you may hit a snag.. is the router supplied by AT&T. Possibly they have locked their service down to their router. By that I mean you don't know your actual account login/password and thus you may not be able to login to your dsl service from another router - especially if it's one you obtain from other than AT&T.

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January 29, 2016 at 14:18:07
Yes. It's ATT. I would be happy to pay a double charge , but on follow up to an ATT insider , trvlr is correct. And they haven't any extra lines to set me up a new dsl service to my barn. I was told I would be put on a waiting list and have dsl service as soon as a line becomes available . But my insider says that means it will never happen in the rural area where I live. So my question has been answered . Thanks for the help everyone. I'm going to throw a question about point to point next week amd hope to obtain great info from all of the great support out there. Again, thanks all!!

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January 29, 2016 at 15:02:41
Pending being able to use a second router (not necessarily an AT&T supplied one, and providing you do know the account login/password to login via the second non AT&T router, with the current one disconnected or powered down) then you could in the meantime test the cct. to the barn using your current AT&T router. It would at least tell whether or not the cable is up to it?

Which is what I suggest in my penultimate (last but one) paragraph above. Nothing to lose by trying/testing it that way?

The benefit of this test is that you may find (if it works OK) that you can live with just one router - possibly the current AT&T one which you transport between the two locations as/when required. Or if able to login to a second router then (with the current one disabled of course) you can use the second in the barn. And of course disable it when not required (power down and/or unplug it from the phone line) and re-enable the current one in the house as/when required? Thus having/utilising only one dsl account/service.

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January 29, 2016 at 15:38:26
Is there a 4G service in the area?

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February 1, 2016 at 14:07:46
Why not just run an ethernet cable underground? Plug one end into the router in the house, plug the other end into a wireless router in the garage. Stuff in the way (concrete?), do a push rather than digging a trench. Directional bore, hydraulic jacking, hi-pressure water, etc. The method used depends on the soil type.

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