Solved W98SE won't go online after using Puppy CD

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June 2, 2011 at 17:33:14
Specs: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, 2.362 GHz / 2047 MB
I've been running Puppy Linux live CD (V525) on both my XP and my W98SE computers. With XP I get online just fine and when powering off and booting to XP, as expected, I can go straight online again.

Not so with W98SE. After I've been online with Puppy, when powering off and booting to W98SE there is no internet connection. For this computer I am using a Belkin USB Wireless Adapter. I then either have to reload the W98SE Belkin driver or, more recently, it looks like I might get away with unplugging the USB Adapter, waiting for the tray icon to vanish, reinserting it and waiting for it to be detected again.

For info:-

My router settings are WPA & WPA2 (PSK) using AES.

For Puppy I can only get online by selecting WPA2 (not WPA). I usually have to
re-run DHCP Auto but this might be because I booted W98SE in the meantime.

My W98SE uses WPA (PSK) with AES.

Clearly a Linux CD cannot change anything on the W98SE, so can anyone give a clue what might be happening? I can only assume it is tied up with using different security settings with the same MAC address.


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#1
June 2, 2011 at 18:41:19
I'd be more inclined to think reboot is not cold boot.

1/3 of highway deaths are caused by drunks. The rest are by people who can't drive any better than a drunk.


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#2
June 2, 2011 at 18:59:09
Jefro

Thx. When using the Puppy CD from scratch Windows isn't running, so a reboot from Puppy is effectively a W98 cold boot (CD then removed). However, the same thing happens if I power right off then boot to W98SE. I've therefore edited "reboot" to "power off and boot" in my original post, to prevent any such misunderstaning.


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#3
June 3, 2011 at 14:21:08
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Booting to puppy would affect only a few things. One may be router lease, set lease to lower times maybe. Other would be residual power. It may be that you have some problem that some data on the hard drive is being edited but very unlikely.


Just to be sure, a cold boot is a machine off for quite some time. Older systems may need to be fully powered down for 20 minutes to clear all residual power from gates and power supplies.

I'd just prove that to be sure that isn't the case. Take ac power plug out and press power button a few times. That would be normally a good cold boot to start from.

I know you are thinking it is stupid but there is little other reason for this issue. None that I can think of other than checking state of tcp/ip in w98.

W98 is really getting kind of old. We can't tell if it ever would have worked, if your os is somehow messed up. If the driver always did that or what.

It does seem some network or hardware issue but I can't see why puppy would do it.

1/3 of highway deaths are caused by drunks. The rest are by people who can't drive any better than a drunk.


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#4
June 3, 2011 at 16:25:52
Just a quicky to say that I regularly bootup the ole Win98 and never have any problem getting online. As you probably know I'm a regular helper on other forums for yonks, so I can assure you I keep my W98 in good working condition. This only happens after using the Puppy CD. I know that sounds weird, which is why I raised this question (it amazed me too).

I'll try reducing the router lease as that's something I hadn't considered. I had been booting to W98 immediately after using the Puppy CD.

The booting off for 20 mins idea does sound a bit like faith healing, however I'll give it a whirl if reducing the router lease doesn't help - nothing lost LOL.

I'll report back sometime tomorrow.


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#5
June 4, 2011 at 06:34:33
Well done Jefro.

I decided to leave the lease alone which was set to "Forever" and the minimum was "half an hour". As I could unplug and replug the adapter in a lot less than this it hardly seemed worth it.

So, I resorted to what I previously called "faith healing". All I had to do is simply unplug the mains, press reset to see the green light flash and replug, within seconds. W98 came up perfectly after that. When going the other way (from W98 to Puppy CD) the connection is inclined to fail unless I run Auto DHCP. In all probability the reset would help in that direction too - I'll try it sometime.

I suspect that my XP internal wireless card has similar settings to that of Puppy, so that is why I don't get the same issue on that computer. W98SE Belkin Adapter settings are much different to Puppy (as given in my original post) so the computer was clearly remembering them - no idea where.

So, I apologise for my obvious doubts and thank you for coming up with the right answer. For my part I can only say "you live and learn".

Thanks again

Derek.


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#6
June 4, 2011 at 12:10:25
Thanks.

You know how hard it is to try to trouble shoot stuff a few thousand miles away.
Sometimes you just have to go what what you think it is.


To be fair. This problem is common with all types of systems that I work on and used to be more common with original type pc's.

1/3 of highway deaths are caused by drunks. The rest are by people who can't drive any better than a drunk.


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#7
June 4, 2011 at 16:16:02
In my experimenting somehow my saved Puppy HD settings files got corrupted (page full of errors) - all fixed again now tho.

So I've decided to play safe (also with my old W98 PSU which is original) and use the "unplug wireless adapter & replug" workaround as this seems to work quite well. However, your advice is far from wasted. I now understand far better why this was all happening and that has been invaluable to me.

By the way, quite a few thousand miles actually - I'm in the UK.


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#8
June 5, 2011 at 13:20:14
Some of my friends might be tempted to say.

"Don't feel bad, Not everyone can be from Texas!"

:)

I still think those kinds of sayings are funny.

Jed Clampett: [to an obviously revolted Mr. Drysdale] That's the thing about salted down possum, it's just as good the second day.

1/3 of highway deaths are caused by drunks. The rest are by people who can't drive any better than a drunk.


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#9
June 5, 2011 at 13:42:13
My goodness, Jed Clampett sure takes me back a bit - knocks as both well out of the young geek category. I used to like those shows, just as big in the UK as in the states (or even Texas LOL).


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