Put your iDevice in the Finder

Apple Ipad 16gb tablet
August 25, 2010 at 07:55:03
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Wes Groleau
Jul 9, 7:51 pm

On 07-09-2010 12:45, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> Works with all models of the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad. "Mount an iPad, iTouch or iPhone to USB disk mode on a Mac. Phone Disk is a tiny program which runs in the system tray of your Mac. When it finds an

The system tray of your Mac?

> iPod Touch or iPhone it seamlessly mounts it to your file system so you can directly access files on it using Finder or any other program."

> It's free until September 1.

> <http://www.macroplant.com/phonedisk/>

> And for Windows users:

> <http://www.macroplant.com/iphoneexplorer/>

> There's also a Mac version, but apparently, it doesn't have all the features of iPhone Disk. It is freeware, though.

The one that “runs in the system tray of your Mac” is not a Mac version?

I’d be _very_ nervous about this thing turning my iPhone
into a shiny paperweight.

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August 25, 2010 at 08:05:52
nospam
Jul 9, 7:59 pm

In article <i18clu$oa...@news.eternal-september.org>, Wes Groleau
<Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 07-09-2010 12:45, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > Works with all models of the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad. "Mount an iPad, iTouch or iPhone to USB disk mode on a Mac. Phone Disk is a tiny program which runs in the system tray of your Mac. When it finds an

> The system tray of your Mac?

always a sign of quality software when the vendor has no idea about the
target platform user interface.

> > There's also a Mac version, but apparently, it doesn't have all the features of iPhone Disk. It is freeware, though.

> The one that ³runs in the system tray of your Mac² is not a Mac version? I¹d be _very_ nervous about this thing turning my iPhone into a shiny paperweight.

the package includes macfuse and an application. it won't do anything
to the iphone, but it might cause problems on the mac (probably not
though).


Wes Groleau
Jul 9, 8:21 pm

On 07-09-2010 19:59, nospam wrote:
> the package includes macfuse and an application. it won't do anything to the iphone, but it might cause problems on the mac (probably not though).

It claims to allow you to read AND WRITE to the phone’s filesystem.
It also has a button on the GUI to “Reval in Finder”
Suppose they meant “revel”? :-)
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August 25, 2010 at 08:09:29
Wes Groleau
Jul 9, 9:03 pm

On 07-09-2010 20:21, Wes Groleau wrote:

> On 07-09-2010 19:59, nospam wrote:
>> the package includes macfuse and an application. it won't do anything to the iphone, but it might cause problems on the mac (probably not though).

> It claims to allow you to read AND WRITE to the phone’s filesystem.

> It also has a button on the GUI to “Reval in Finder”
> Suppose they meant “revel”? :-)

Well, I took a chance. Installed it, and activated. Each app is treated as a separated disk partition (the OS probably uses chroot). The tool can only mount one at a time, but if you cd into one of them in a shell, when the tool mounts another, the first one can’t dismount. Finder, however, although it superficially appears to have both mounted, if you select an image file in the "wrong" one, you see the preview of the one that the tool thinks is mounted.

Tell the tool to dismount the device and the one last selected in the tool is dismounted. cd out of the other, and finder doesn't dismount it. But nav into it and you are actually looking at the other one.

Then I got really crazy. Opened up the icon of an app I never use in GraphicConverter. Changed the color of a shape in it. Tried to save. Got a system error -39. Saved to Mac and tried to drag
in. Another error. So it maybe it _can’t_ write. I can go to and play songs and see images. Not going to take a chance on editing any of my songs or photos. Each app by the way has its own /tmp directory.

And the free Winnie the Pooh that comes with iBooks--each chapter’s file has an html extension but is garbage in FireFox. Tried several enodings but no use.

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nospam
Jul 9, 9:15 pm

In article <i18ee5$vp...@news.eternal-september.org>, Wes Groleau
<Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> It also has a button on the GUI to ³Reval in Finder²
> Suppose they meant ³revel²? :-)

i just love high quality software.

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August 25, 2010 at 08:14:10
nospam
Jul 9, 9:18 pm

In article
<michelle-EAA23B.18111909072...@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi>,

Michelle Steiner <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > The system tray of your Mac?

> > always a sign of quality software when the vendor has no idea about the target platform user interface.

> So he used incorrect terminology.

which is my point. if they screw up the simple stuff, how do you know they won't screw up the complicated stuff?

> So far it hasn't. I'm going to uninstall it, though; I don't see any use (for me, that is) in being able to access the iPhone through the Finder.

unless you can get access to the parts that are off limits, such as being able to modify the hosts file to do ad blocking, there isn't a whole lot of use for it.


nospam
Jul 9, 9:18 pm

In article
<michelle-F17CC1.18092209072...@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi>,
Michelle Steiner <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:
> OK, let me spell it out for you. iPhoneDisk is Mac only. iPhone Explorer was originally for PCs, but there's also a Mac version.

i've had iphone explorer for nearly a year.

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August 25, 2010 at 08:18:59
Jolly Roger
Jul 10, 10:50 am

In article
<michelle-EAA23B.18111909072...@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi>,
Michelle Steiner <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <090720101659369911%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > > > "Mount an iPad, iTouch or iPhone to USB disk mode on a Mac. Phone Disk is a tiny program which runs in the system tray of your Mac. When it finds an

> > > The system tray of your Mac?

> > always a sign of quality software when the vendor has no idea about the target platform user interface.

> So he used incorrect terminology.

I get the impression they were simply too lazy to make a Mac-specific
version of the document.

> > the package includes macfuse and an application. it won't do anything to the iphone, but it might cause problems on the mac (probably not though).

> So far it hasn't. I'm going to uninstall it, though; I don't see any use (for me, that is) in being able to access the iPhone through the Finder.

Same here. I've had it installed ever since I jail broke my iPhone 3G,
but have never really needed it. (It's never caused problems, either.)

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Jolly Roger
Jul 10, 10:51 am

In article
<michelle-8AB067.18263609072...@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi>,
Michelle Steiner <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <090720101818092642%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > > So far it hasn't. I'm going to uninstall it, though; I don't see any use (for me, that is) in being able to access the iPhone through the Finder.

> > unless you can get access to the parts that are off limits, such as being able to modify the hosts file to do ad blocking, there isn't a whole lot of use for it.

> Well, there has been a vocal minority here screaming for the ability to access the iPhone's files through the Finder. They're the reason I posted the link.

If you want to access the entire file system, you simply need to jail break the device, which is not all that hard to do.

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August 25, 2010 at 08:23:33
Jolly Roger
Jul 10, 11:32 am

In article
<michelle-A3298A.08202810072...@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi>,
Michelle Steiner <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-2A3A22.09503110072...@news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jollyro...@pobox.com> wrote:

> > > So he used incorrect terminology.

> > I get the impression they were simply too lazy to make a Mac-specific version of the document.

> The program (iphone disk) is Mac-only. iPhone Explorer has both Mac and Windows versions.

That doesn't affect my impression.

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Todd Allcock
Jul 10, 12:39 pm

"Michelle Steiner" <miche...@michelle.org> wrote in message

> In article <090720101818092642%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>> > So far it hasn't. I'm going to uninstall it, though; I don't see any use (for me, that is) in being able to access the iPhone through the Finder.

>> unless you can get access to the parts that are off limits, such as being able to modify the hosts file to do ad blocking, there isn't a whole lot of use for it.

> Well, there has been a vocal minority here screaming for the ability to access the iPhone's files through the Finder. They're the reason I posted the link.

I assume I'm one of that vocal minority, I think I tried iPhone Explorer a year ago or more. IIRC, it simply lets you use the unused storage on your iphone as the world's largest and most expensive thumb drive. The iPhone can't actually access any of files you place on it, making the app next to useless.

While I do want to access the iPhone's files from a PC via USB, it's not just to say I did- I want to be able to place files on the iPhone so that they'll be usable by the iPhone.

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August 25, 2010 at 08:26:05
Wes Groleau
Jul 10, 12:58 pm

On 07-10-2010 11:32, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Michelle Steiner<miche...@michelle.org> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger<jollyro...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> I get the impression they were simply too lazy to make a Mac-specific version of the document.

>> The program (iphone disk) is Mac-only. iPhone Explorer has both Mac and Windows versions.

> That doesn't affect my impression.

which was relating to the part about system tray vs. menu bar
not the part about “also Mac version”

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Wes Groleau
Jul 10, 2:18 pm

On 07-10-2010 14:09, Hans Altmeyer wrote:
> Writing code may be more complicated than using terminology, but mistakes in a description don't say much about the ability to write software (besides I doubt its the same person who has written the software and the description).

Maybe truee, but if the person writing the description isn’t suited for the job, what does that say about the boss’s other decisions?

Or to put it another way, if a company is careless about what they show to the public, how careful are they about what they don’t show?

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August 25, 2010 at 08:30:54
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On 07-10-2010 16:33, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> "Todd Allcock"<eleccon...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>> While I do want to access the iPhone's files from a PC via USB, it's not just to say I did- I want to be able to place files on the iPhone so that they'll be usable by the iPhone.

> I believe that this app (phone disk) will do just that. It's free (until Aug 1), so why not give it a try?

I’m having my doubts. As I posted earlier, I got errors
(1) trying to save a graphic I had modified
(2) trying to drag in a copy I had saved to my desktop.
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Wes Groleau
Jul 10, 8:37 pm

On 07-10-2010 18:30, Hans Altmeyer wrote:
> Don't know. It all depends on the programmer's skills. But I see your point: Mistakes in trivialities can show a lack of attention in the whole work of the company. Although this is only an indication. In the end you only can be sure if you try out the piece of software by yourself. (Nevertheless I could understand if somebody didn't feel like testing in such circumstances.)

And actually, I did take the chance. But after an advertised capability got errors in a test on "safe" data, not a chance I'm going to try it on anything important.

I’ve had to take my Mac to single-user mode by changing something that “obviously” couldn’t hurt. I _don’t_ want to try to figure out how to do the equivalent on my phone!
No, I am not interested in jail-break, so don’t ask. When I can afford to own two of them, I’ll be very interested then. :-)

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August 25, 2010 at 08:34:10
Todd Allcock
Jul 10, 8:56 pm

At 10 Jul 2010 13:33:23 -0700 Michelle Steiner wrote:

I would, if it had a Windows version. Thanks for the tip.


Todd Allcock
Jul 10, 11:35 pm

At 10 Jul 2010 18:29:17 -0700 Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <aG8_n.18286$f_3.11...@newsfe17.iad>,
> Todd Allcock <eleccon...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:

> > I would, if it had a Windows version. Thanks for the tip.

> Sorry, I forgot that you're a Windows guy.

Sadly, at 6'3" and 305 lbs, I'm more like a Windows guy and a half! ;)


Wes Groleau
Jul 11, 12:02 am

On 07-10-2010 21:30, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> Wes Groleau<Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>> I’m having my doubts. As I posted earlier, I got errors (1) trying to save a graphic I had modified (2) trying to drag in a copy I had saved to my desktop.

> I thought that you said you tried it with iPhone Explorer.

No, at the time, I thought the latter was the PC version of Phonedisk
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Todd Allcock
Jul 11, 1:14 am

At 10 Jul 2010 20:54:30 -0700 Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <K%a_n.7471$cO.4...@newsfe09.iad>,
> Todd Allcock <eleccon...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:

> > Sadly, at 6'3" and 305 lbs, I'm more like a Windows guy and a half!
;)

> <http://tinyurl.com/4gtmz>

And give up my Woz-like figure?

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August 25, 2010 at 08:37:38
Jolly Roger
Jul 11, 9:08 am

In article <i1b3d0$o8...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> On 07-10-2010 16:33, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > "Todd Allcock"<eleccon...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> >> While I do want to access the iPhone's files from a PC via USB, it's not just to say I did- I want to be able to place files on the iPhone so that they'll be usable by the iPhone.

> > I believe that this app (phone disk) will do just that. It's free (until Aug 1), so why not give it a try?

> I¹m having my doubts. As I posted earlier, I got errors (1) trying to save a graphic I had modified (2) trying to drag in a copy I had saved to my desktop.

It's possible the file(s) you tried to modify are protected. Ownership, permissions, and other file system protection mechanisms are just as valid on the iPhone as they are on Mac OS X.

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Jolly Roger
Jul 11, 9:08 am

In article <1jlfh7q.1tit0p817tpefgN%mikeP...@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>,
mikeP...@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyro...@pobox.com> wrote:

> > That doesn't affect my impression.

> But does it impress your affection?


Not at all. : )
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Jolly Roger
Jul 11, 9:10 am

In article <i1b3nm$qk...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> On 07-10-2010 18:30, Hans Altmeyer wrote:
> > Don't know. It all depends on the programmer's skills. But I see your point: Mistakes in trivialities can show a lack of attention in the whole work of the company. Although this is only an indication. In the end you only can be sure if you try out the piece of software by yourself. (Nevertheless I could understand if somebody didn't feel like testing in such circumstances.)

> And actually, I did take the chance. But after an advertised capability got errors in a test on "safe" data, not a chance I'm going to try it on anything important.

What data, exactly? "Safe" according to whom? You? How did you
determine this data was safe?

> I¹ve had to take my Mac to single-user mode by changing something that ³obviously² couldn¹t hurt. I _don¹t_ want to try to figure out how to do the equivalent on my phone!

> No, I am not interested in jail-break, so don¹t ask. When I can afford to own two of them, I¹ll be very interested then. :-)

That seems silly to me. Jail breaking is very easy to do, and undo. If you had said you were waiting for your warranty to expire, I might understand...
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August 25, 2010 at 08:38:50
Larry
Jul 11, 9:40 am

Todd Allcock <eleccon...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in news:1tc_n.4240$lS1.1346
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> At 10 Jul 2010 20:54:30 -0700 Michelle Steiner wrote:
>> In article <K%a_n.7471$cO.4...@newsfe09.iad>,
>> Todd Allcock <eleccon...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:

>> > Sadly, at 6'3" and 305 lbs, I'm more like a Windows guy and a half!
> ;)

>> <http://tinyurl.com/4gtmz>

> And give up my Woz-like figure?

Best to you, Todd! When I was a technical college instructor, I got up to 340#. After TEC, I went back to work in industry and lost a little. Then, I took a job working for the Iranian Air Force in Tehran, one of the most beautiful cities in the world. It was a walker's paradise and I elected to
take the top floor apartment the IAF gave me up 8 flights of outside stairs up the front of the building. When I came home from Iran 28 days before the Shah was deposed, I weighed a svelt 198#! Living in the desert city on the slope of Mt Tochal, where EVERYTHING you wanted was always UPHILL, did wonders for my health and well being. I'm about 230 at the moment and fit
nicely into my new Smart Fortwo Passion coupe I take delivery of on Monday.....(c;]

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