Solved Windows 10 can't find LS-120

January 13, 2019 at 13:55:37
Specs: Windows 10
I have three Windows 10 machines. They all have internal LS-120 drives. All drives work as they should. BUT....only TWO of the Windows 10 machines find the LS-120. One does not. It is on an IDE cable with a CD-ROM drive that Windows 10 sees, but not the LS-120. The pins are set for the CD-ROM as master and the LS-120 as slave. I've tried everything I can think of from running ADD DEVICE to checking cables and pin settings. No dice. The LS-120 works fine if moved to any other machine. Any ideas?

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February 21, 2019 at 17:11:46
Thanks, but I started out with a clean install. There was nothing on the hard drive. There is nothing on the computer even now -- except Windows 10. It was not an upgrade.

My problems with Windows 10 exist on other machines where Windows 10 won't work with my existing hardware -- printers, scanners, expansion cards, etc. -- and will not work with my software -- Corel Ventura, HiJaak, PhotoPaint, etc. even when installed and used in Compatibility Mode for the Operating systems they were designed for.

That's some of the reasons I have computers still running Windows XP, 98, etc.

So no, I will not re-invent the wheel and waste more time. I'll just get a SATA DVD and solve the problem that way.



#1
January 13, 2019 at 14:36:25
See if you get a clue from these.

HOWTO: Use Group Policy to disable USB, CD-ROM, Floppy Disk and LS-120 drivers
http://www.grouppolicy.biz/tag/usb/
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555...


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#2
January 13, 2019 at 14:46:31
Thanks, but neither relates to my problem. The first link deals with USB devices. My LS-120 is an IDE device. The second link covers DISabling LS-120 devices. I'm trying to ENable an LS-120 device -- the exact opposite. I just tried at add a FLOPPY controller in Windows 10 through ADD A DEVICE, but that is not listed as one of the hardware options to add.

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#3
January 13, 2019 at 15:30:59
"overs DISabling LS-120 devices. I'm trying to ENable an LS-120 device -- the exact opposite"
I realize, you need to see if applying the reverse works.

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#4
January 13, 2019 at 16:59:17
How can I DISable a device if it is not ENabled to begin with? There is no device to DISable.

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#5
January 14, 2019 at 02:17:14
"if it is not ENabled to begin with?"

Did you go here & make sure Access is not blocked?
How to Enable or Disable Access to All Removable Storage Devices in Windows
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials...


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#6
January 14, 2019 at 05:37:34
Hi Xkaes,
have you checked the bios?

With some you have to 'Enable' an HDD in two separate places.

Also, is the IDE Cable connected to the Mobo, using the correct End Connector, and not reversed?

Another thought, could the IDE or pwr Cables be at fault.
Set the hdd as Master and disconnect the CD Drive.
Connect the HDD using the CD's IDE and pwr Connectors.

Good Luck - Keep us posted

message edited by Mike Newcomb


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#7
January 15, 2019 at 10:54:59
I checked these out. The first is not appropriate for my version of Windows 10. The second path I won't take because it automatically makes changes to my Registry. I will only do that manually, knowing exactly what it is doing.

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#8
January 15, 2019 at 10:56:47
I'll check to see if this is a problem. I doubt it. I think that all of my device connections, PCI, SATA, IDE, etc. are turned on in the BIOS.

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#9
January 15, 2019 at 15:59:15
If you look at the .reg file, you will see exactly what changes are being made to the Registry. Also, you do realize the registry is constantly being updated/written to just by running Windows, right?

Doing the best I can here... And remember, there's always more than one path to success. :)


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#10
January 15, 2019 at 16:21:08
"I checked these out. The first is not appropriate for my version of Windows 10"

How To Enable Group Policy Editor (gpedit.msc) In Windows 10 Home Edition
https://www.itechtics.com/easily-en...
https://www.itechtics.com/enable-gp...
http://woshub.com/group-policy-edit...


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#11
January 20, 2019 at 14:42:57
Well thanks for all the advice. For some odd reason, I was hoping for a simple solution since the LS-120 works perfectly well on two other, similar Windows 10 desktop machines. But I'm having all sorts of other problems with Windows 10 like programs not working or doing really strange things even when I set the correct operating system in the Compatibility "Wizard".

I'm sure lots of other people are having similar problems, and I'm sure Microsoft knows about them. That's one of the reasons I and many others still keep Windows XP and 98SE machines around. I even have a machine that just has DOS 6.22 on it because I still need some of those old DOS-based programs.


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#12
January 20, 2019 at 14:50:36
"But I'm having all sorts of other problems with Windows 10 like programs not working or doing really strange things even when I set the correct operating system in the Compatibility "Wizard"."

Lets look in this direction, cannot do any harm.

Here are the first 2 steps, more steps may be needed, after I see the results of these logs.

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Tutorial
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Click on Cleaning.
Confirm each time with Ok.
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Please Copy & Paste the contents of that logfile with your next answer.
You also can find the logfile at C:\AdwCleaner [C1 or later].txt as well.
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After clicking on > View Report & then > Export. Click 'Copy to Clipboard'
Paste the contents of the clipboard into your reply.


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#13
January 20, 2019 at 16:37:42
Thanks. I'll give it a try. I doubt that there is any malware or virus problem on the computer. I just set it up, and the first software I installed was Norton Security Suite and did a complete system scan. It found nothing. Then I added an additional DVD drive (master) and an LS-120 (slave). It finds the DVD, but not the LS-120. I tried a new cable but with the same result. The LS-120 works fine on any other machine.

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#14
January 20, 2019 at 17:03:54
same problem if you disconnect the CD drive ??

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#15
January 21, 2019 at 04:23:59
Hi Xkaes,

you advise the LS-120 works fine on other pc's, but only the DVD works on the problematic pc, if so:

a) disconnect both DVD and LS-120

b) reconnect *only* the LS-20, *using* the DVD Power and Interface Cables.

Is the LS-120 then recognised?

Good Luck - Keep us posted.

message edited by Mike Newcomb


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#16
January 21, 2019 at 04:46:25
I tried that -- setting up the LS-120 as the master and only device on the cable. No change. Windows 10 does not automatically find it, and telling Windows to search does not help.

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#17
January 21, 2019 at 04:55:07
xkaes, I'm about to go to bed, have you run the Malwarebytes programs?

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#18
January 21, 2019 at 07:40:52
I have not run the MALware programs, but up-to-date Norton Security Suite finds no problems.

Also, I checked the BIOS and everything looks OK, all "ports" are "active". And I know this slot is working because it finds a DVD on the same cable. But Windows 10 will not find the LS-120. I have THREE working LS-120 drives, and Windows will not find it on THIS machine. It finds the LS-120 on TWO other machines with Windows 10. Makes no sense to me.

But I should not be surprised. The other day, I put an electronic flash on a camera and turned both on. The camera would fire, but the flash would not. I figured the flash or the connection was bad. I put the flash on another camera (same exact camera, just a different one) and the flash worked fine. So I figured it was the connection between the camera and the flash. I put a different flash (same exact flash, just a different one) on the original camera and it works fine. But the original camera and the original flash will not work together. Go figure.


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#19
January 21, 2019 at 13:48:47
Hi Xkaes,
not that it should matter, but I did not suggest changing the LS-120 settings to Master or whatever.

Did you try connecting the LS-120 using the DVD Power Cable and DVD Interface Cable Socket, both of which are known to be good as the DVD works?

Good Luck - Keep us posted.


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#20
January 21, 2019 at 14:21:04
The LS-120 and the DVD use the same IDE cable (actually, I have tried two cables -- one new, still in the plastic). They use the same power cord -- both four prong -- and, of course, one is large, and one is small. The LS-120 gets power. The LED lights up when turned on.

I have the DVD set for MASTER and the LS-120 as SLAVE. I suppose I could try switching those, but that should not make a difference. The DVD works fine as a MASTER by itself, but the LS-120 will not. I could also try setting both the CABLE SELECT, if I want to waste some more time, I suppose.


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#21
January 26, 2019 at 14:22:30
Hi Xkaes,

I know the two devices use the same IDE Cable (or another new one).

I advised to try connecting the LS-120 using the known GOOD IDE SOCKET and known GOOD PSU CONNECTOR, both of which are good as used by the DVD Drive which works.

Reason - am wondering if one of the mobo connections is not working.

Is the PC a Desktop. If so, are there two IDE Cables (Primary and Secondary)?

Good Luck - Keep us posted..
.


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#22
January 26, 2019 at 15:18:20
The MOBO does not have any IDE connections on it. It has one PCI, one PCIe x1, and one PCIe x16 slots. The PCI slot has a PS/2 mouse and keyboard card -- works fine. The PCIe x16 slot has a video card -- works fine. The PCIe x1 slot has an IDE card -- works fine with the DVD, but not the LS-120.

The LS-120 is seen/recognized by the BIOS, but not by WINDOWS 10 -- unlike my other two WINDOWS 10 desktops.


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#23
February 19, 2019 at 12:00:21
The DVD and the LS-120 are connected on one cable attached to the single PCI-e x1 slot with an IDE adapter card. They both work fine in other Windows 10 machines. It makes no difference if the LS-120 is set as the slave or the master. Windows 10 will not recognize it -- even though the BIOS finds it, the PCI-e x1 card works fine, and the cable is perfect.

I was hoping to find a simple solution without having to re-invent the wheel.


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#24
February 19, 2019 at 13:45:22
xkaes, Have a read at the link posted below. You might also try setting both drives on the cable to CS.

xkaes

message edited by OtheHill


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#25
February 19, 2019 at 20:57:37
Two possibilities.
One, Cable Select has been known to solve weird IDE issues in the past so it is worth the try.
Two, Have you tried removing and reinstalling the driver for the PCIe IDE card? Since it is Windows that is is not seeing it (the drive), it makes sense that it is a driver issue and since you apparently reinstalled the LS120's driver, maybe the IDE card's driver may need reinstalling.
Note also that Norton (or any AV program) cannot hope to stop, recognize, or remove 100% of infections 100% of the time so scanning with a known good program is not a waste of time. Personally I have little faith in Norton but things get by all AV's at times. Malwarebytes and ADWCleaner by Malwarebytes are both good programs and they are compatible with antivirus programs so there is not issue. I recommend installing Malwarebytes and then 'Ending' the Free Trial which makes it truly free though manual only. I also recommend turning on the 'Root Kit' scanning feature.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#26
February 20, 2019 at 13:44:28
I've reset both the DVD and LS-120 to CABLE SELECT. I'm even using a new LS-120. There is a change! Now the Windows 10 system does not find either of them. Out of the frying pan and into the fire!

My next attempt will be setting the LS-120 to MASTER without the DVD. Then I will try the LS-120 on CABLE SELECT without the DVD. What the heck? I don't actually want to do anything with this computer!

As to drivers and viruses. There is nothing on the machine -- except WINDOWS 10. There are no drivers for the PCI-e x1 card or the LS-120. They are supposed to be built-in -- just like on my other two WINDOWS 10 machines that see LS-120 drives.


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#27
February 20, 2019 at 15:12:22
I've had some limited success. As I've mentioned above, the DVD works on the PCI-e x1 to IDE card. But when I connect the LS-120 to the same cable (DVD as MASTER; LS-120 as SLAVE), WINDOWS 10 finds neither. The LS-120 works fine on other machines.

When I set both the DVD and LS-120 to CABLE SELECT, Windows 10 finds neither.

SO, I connected the LS-120 to the end of the cable as CABLE SELECT -- without the DVD. Windows 10 found it. DEVICE MANAGER shoes it under FLOPPY DRIVES!!!!!!

SO, I connected the LS-120 to the MIDDLE of the cable as CABLE SELECT -- without the DVD. Windows 10 still found it..

SO, I connected the DVD to the end of the cable as MASTER with the LS-120 still connected. Windows 10 found the LS-120, but not the DVD.

SO, I connected the DVD to the end of the cable as SLAVE with the LS-120 still connected. Windows 10 again found the LS-120, but not the DVD.

No need to try BOTH as CABLE SELECT, since I already tried that -- with failure.

One idea is to try another DVD, but I know this one works -- as long as the LS-120 in not attached. I have other computers with both DVDs and LS-120s on the same cable without problems.

The PCI-e x1 card only has one IDE cable connection. Any suggestions? I suppose I could buy a REALLY long IDE cord and TRY the LS-120 at the END on the cable as CABLE SELECT or MASTER, and the DVD as CABLE SELECT of SLAVE, but that sounds like an unlikely winner.

Any ideas?


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#28
February 21, 2019 at 07:35:17
This morning, I made a switch -- actually two. I unearthed a longer IDE cable. I set the LS-120 at the end of the cable as CABLE SELECT. This worked with the older, shorter cable. The other change was to set the DVD in the MIDDLE of the cable. I could not do that before because the cables I have are too short.

First, I tried the DVD set as SLAVE. Windows 10 found the LS-120, but not the DVD. Seems odd.

Next, I tried the DVD set as CABLE SELECT. Windows 10 found NEITHER the LS-120, or the DVD. Seems even odder.

Next, I will try a different DVD in the MIDDLE -- I've already tried different LS-120s.


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#29
February 21, 2019 at 14:24:42
xkaes

Back in #24 above I referred to a link, which I did not provide. I am linking it now. Pay attention to the part that describes cables with or without pin 28. You may need an older style 40 wire cable at least a different cable than what you have tried. Too bad you don't live next door to me. I probably have a hundred ID cables including shielded cables. Another possibility is that the add in IDE controller is not Windows 10 compatible.

http://www.pchell.com/hardware/mast...


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#30
February 21, 2019 at 15:35:25
Thanks. The cables are not the problem -- although I have tried different cables. The ones I'm using now are 40 wire cables which are appropriate because the DVD and the LS-120 are older devices. I've got the correct ends set to the DVD, LS-120, and the PCI-e x1 IDE card because they all have tabs to make sure the pins are set correctly.

The PCI-e x1 card is new and compatible with Windows 10 because I can get the DVD and the LS-120 to work individually. I just can't get them to work at the same time regardless of what pin setting I use on the devices (MASTER, SLAVE, or CABLE SELECT) or what cables I use or whether I set the devices at the end of the cable or in the middle.

I've tried another DVD, but I get the same result -- Windows 10 sees the LS-120 when set to CABLE SELECT, but will not see the DVD whether set to SLAVE or CABLE SELECT.

It appears that my solution it to leave the LS-120 on the PCI-e x1 to IDE adapter card -- which works -- and grab a SATA DVD -- instead of my IDE DVD which somehow conflicts with the LS-120.

Thanks for all of the suggestions, but I can't "Select ANY as Best Answer". I wish that this were my ONLY problem with Windows 10!@#$%^&*().


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#31
February 21, 2019 at 15:47:26
" I wish that this were my ONLY problem with Windows 10!@#$%^&*()?"
It should be your only problem, you may need to do a clean install, which means deleting all the partitions.

To do a clean install, during the install, keep hitting Delete, until Delete & Format are greyed out & you are left with an Unallocated drive.

No other drives should be connected during the install.


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#32
February 21, 2019 at 17:11:46
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Thanks, but I started out with a clean install. There was nothing on the hard drive. There is nothing on the computer even now -- except Windows 10. It was not an upgrade.

My problems with Windows 10 exist on other machines where Windows 10 won't work with my existing hardware -- printers, scanners, expansion cards, etc. -- and will not work with my software -- Corel Ventura, HiJaak, PhotoPaint, etc. even when installed and used in Compatibility Mode for the Operating systems they were designed for.

That's some of the reasons I have computers still running Windows XP, 98, etc.

So no, I will not re-invent the wheel and waste more time. I'll just get a SATA DVD and solve the problem that way.


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#33
February 24, 2019 at 11:28:34
Hi Xkaes,

reading through all posts again, it appears you have continually used the same IDE Card on the PC that fails.

If true, are you able to exchange it with another from one of your working pc's?
Othehill raised similar query in #30.

If cards are the same, am wondering if firmware is same version(s) on these cards.

Good Luck - Keep us posted.


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