Solved Whats wrong with building 2 pc's in one wood case?

August 5, 2013 at 01:18:12
Specs: Windows 7
Im going to sound negative but im not understanding why so many people ask why.how can so many pc geeks lack so much imagination?Anyway im building the 2 in 1 .I have a prototype nearly assembled.My reason is because i can,my wife and i are gamers and we play side by side in our livingroom.horizontal mobo i/o on her side,vertical mobo upside down on back of case i/o on my side.watercooled cpu's and gpu's.radiators on sides in back outside case as well as psu's out back outside case. Case is blue acrylic 13"w x 17"tall x 23"long.prolly 3 weeks from finish.why ask why ?

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August 5, 2013 at 18:58:56
I just want to see this thing.

Hmmm...I have this old server case about the size of a Pontiac in the garage and I was thinking.

Wait; drinking, not thinking.

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#1
August 5, 2013 at 02:35:15
I didn't see anyone ask why. Did I miss something?

I don't see any advantage to this over two separate PCs, but each to their own.


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August 5, 2013 at 06:43:27
I see a lot of disadvantages. For instance, what if one of them goes down? Will you leave one up & running while repairing the other? For safety's sake, you would have to shut both down while making repairs or upgrades. By putting the PSUs & water cooling radiators (yuck) on the outside, you will loose their fans as case cooling sources, so will have to install multiple case fans to make up for it, especially since you will now have twice the heat in one box. Not only that, you'll be taking up even more real estate due to placing the PSUs & radiators outside. You'll probably be taking up the space equivalent of 3 towers. Also, I foresee a cabling nightmare.

Personally, I'd go with 2 separate cases with the top mount PSU design & no water cooling (it's just an unnecessary added expense) but as ijack said, "each to their own".

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#3
August 5, 2013 at 06:54:15
I could see this being done in a Fish tank with mineral oil... Get a HUGE fish tank that can support all the equipment, tons of mineral oil, assemble your parts and fill the fish tank with oil. No need for the outside cooling, radiators, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eub3...

Otherwise yea... I can definitely forsee a nightmare from multiple aspects as well.

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#4
August 5, 2013 at 08:36:01
It's not an issue of imagination. It's a matter of common sense. Putting 2 PCs into one huge case has got to be one of the dumbest things I've heard.

Now, the fish tank computer is imaginative and funny, but not practical.


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#5
August 5, 2013 at 12:54:06
all the sites I checked had more than one person ask why. I've seen a lot of creative cases hand built and many are pretty kool looking.so u think my idea is dumb? "biting tongue counting to ten" ok. Radiators and psu's on outside will remove majority of heat from case so therefore will use two case fans total.

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#6
August 5, 2013 at 13:14:57
my two cases im using take up 17" x 17" x 17" not much different in terms of realestate but this for me has nothing to do with space saving.and simplyput radiator fans as intake or exhaust are a compromise.as intake they blow hot air into case and as exhaust they blow hot air thru radiator.we are gamers mostly and wont mind shutting both pc's down if repair is needed.we live in Colorado so theres plenty of real life going on lol.believe me I've spent many hours thinking this thru to every detail .its gonna be awesome,oc'd,original,kool looking,and cold running!!!!!PS now let me hear something positive from anybody that gets it. ;)

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August 5, 2013 at 14:37:56
It's doubtful you're going to hear anything positive from anyone in these forums because quite frankly, your ideas are idiotic. I'm curious how much experience you have with PCs, not just as a user, but as a builder/technician? I'm going on 20 yrs & there are plenty of helpers that have much more experience than me. Several of them have already responded & it seems we're all in agreement.

Please explain to us, in detail, the reason(s) why you feel your build will be superior to all others. And please back it up with facts, not with "I've spent many hours thinking this thru". Do you think that no one has ever thought of or tried what you're proposing? Don't you think that if your way was vastly superior, some manufacturer would been mass producing it by now & touting it as the ultimate gaming system?

Explain to us why you feel water cooling is necessary when 99%+ of the world, gamers & overclockers included, get along perfectly fine without it? And explain to us the theory behind putting the PSUs outside the case. It's bad enough that some dipstick designer decided that putting the PSU at the bottom of the case is better than at the top, & even worse that hoards of the clueless bought into it, now you want to put them entirely outside the case? I assume in their own case with extra long cables to be able to reach the motherboards, drives, video cards, etc? That sounds wonderful! Maybe they should be watercooled too?

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#8
August 5, 2013 at 17:47:43
I think it would probably be more practical to glue two smaller profile computers together. Also, I think actually putting 2 in the same case is illegal in several states so you need to check your local ordinances.

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August 5, 2013 at 18:58:56
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I just want to see this thing.

Hmmm...I have this old server case about the size of a Pontiac in the garage and I was thinking.

Wait; drinking, not thinking.

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#10
August 5, 2013 at 19:04:26
ok riider obviously you don't get it so im gonna wait till its finished then we can discus like informed adults without the name calling kk.i never said this was a supreme setup so backtrack a bit ,no worries .my experience in pc's is limited true.i don't understand a lot of what makes them work,but I have imagination and a lot of exp with fabrication and creating what I need when its not available.i do understand very well what seems common sense to me no offense intended but the basics of hardware placement and heat management isn't difficult for me.example would be as I stated 4 radiators and psu's outside box obviously reduces heat in the box right.then someone says the heat in the box will be double,um no will be double minus all heat produced by 2 psu's 2 cpu's and 2 gpu's.so im asking a real question honestly how much heat is produced in the box by cpu gpu and psu.seems it would be considerable.please give a serious answer cuz im only guessing its where most case heat comes from .thank you

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#11
August 5, 2013 at 19:19:04
1. As riider said, you're not going to hear anything positive.

2. PSU's when top mounted, another as riider said line, don't add heat to a case...they get rid of heat.

3. Speaking of airflow and heat, do you know what happens to air as it warms from ambient temperature?

Will wait for pictures...

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#12
August 5, 2013 at 21:09:42
You say that hardware placement and heat management isn't difficult for you and then go onto say you are only guessing where most heat comes from. Bit of a contradiction there don't you think.

I would have thought that would have been something you would have worked out right at the beginning.

The biggest producer of heat is the CPU, that is why it has a huge heat sink and fan on it. The heat sink extracts the heat from the CPU and the fan cools the heat sink, transferring the heat to the surrounding air. That warm air has to go somewhere, usually out the back via an exhaust fan as Intel and AMD intended.

Having the power supply outside the case is not a good idea at all if it means extending the cables to the components. Some of those cables are carrying up to 30 amps which is a lot of amps.

By extending the cables beyond their design length you are increasing the resistance and therefore the heating effect which makes them a fire risk.

Before you start messing around with power supplies I suggest you read up on Ohms Law and make yourself familiar with all its implications.

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#13
August 6, 2013 at 01:12:44
I still don't see any advantage to this idea. Perhaps the OP could explain not just that it is "kool" (sic) but any actual advantage to be gained from this setup? I have seen several people correctly describe the disadvantages, so what is the overwhelming advantage that makes this a good idea?

(PS. Just so that you can look "kool" is not - to my mind - a sufficient answer. If that's what you want just buy one of those propellor hats and amaze your friends.)


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#14
August 6, 2013 at 07:20:29
There has been no name calling.

"as I stated 4 radiators and psu's outside box obviously reduces heat in the box right.then someone says the heat in the box will be double,um no will be double minus all heat produced by 2 psu's 2 cpu's and 2 gpu's"

CPUs & GPUs aren't the only heat producers. What about MOSFETs, chipsets, HDDs, RAM, etc? And even though you you plan on using water cooling (which IMO is a complete waste of money), there will still be heat given off by the waterblocks into the case. And as others have stated, PSUs don't add heat, they remove heat (provided they're mounted at the top of the case).

BTW, why would you need 4 radiators? Since you're a DIY'er, here's some ideas for you:

http://hackedgadgets.com/wp-content...

http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/...

http://www.mygarage.ro/attachments/...

http://www.mygarage.ro/attachments/...


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#15
August 7, 2013 at 05:43:05
dang rider you goin soft?you talkin to me all civilized an shyt lol.thank you I truly appreciate that.the 2 pc's im using were my first 2 builds that I did about a year ago at which time I was using small old cases and believed h2o would help due to lack of space for large finned cpu coolers.the arctic cooling gpu coolers were open box gambles but very cheap and worked great so both pc's have been in use for 10 months or so.i knew that cpu and gpu are not only heat sources but they are the main ones.as far as what about mosfets,chips ram etc they mostly attached to mobo so will remain in box.have ordered ssd's they should be here in nxt couple days.PSU wires are plenty long.I thought there mite be a little radiated heat from psu box but prolly not much.thats why I asked how much heat am I removing from case with rads and psu outside case.maybe you could throw some educated guess at me?and those links lmao omg sloppy,not my style at all but amusing.and to ijack the reason actually ive also built a custom table with swingaway monitors because my wife and I are serious gamers we play in livingroom in our recliners with pc's on table between us.so the case will compliment the table and just wanted something other than buying 2 cases.

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#16
August 7, 2013 at 05:49:59
one more question,prolly not for rider since you despise h20 so much but any reason I cant lenghthen hoses on closed loop[ corsair h60 and arctic coolings accelero hybrid?i know warranties will be void just wonder if extra 6 inches of hose will effect the pumps?

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#17
August 7, 2013 at 06:03:06
tough ? skip do I get 3 guesses.um hot air makes good cake?hot air keeps my toes warm?hot are goes down wait no um goes uummmmm up yea up.

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#18
August 7, 2013 at 07:31:18
.. and why does it go up? Why does it not just stay where it is?

Going up is the effect of being heated. What is the cause?

Incidentally water does the same.

Stuart


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#19
August 25, 2013 at 12:59:50
plywood prototype will soon be blue acrylic glass. temps all in the low 30's,only 2 case fans,no wires lengthened,all waterlines were lengthened.both cpu's running 4.2 . cpu's are i5 2500k and i5 3570khttp://s951.photobucket.com/user/ji...

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