Upgrading the cpu

Asus P4p800-e deluxe motherboard
February 3, 2010 at 06:39:21
Specs: windowsXP pro SP2, 1.6gb/2gb
Hi I have wanted to upgrade my cpu for some time and am unsure what to upgrade it to. I have at present an AMD Athlon Xp2000 socket A(462) which runs at 1.6ghz. I did a search on ebay and found these http://shop.ebay.com.au/?_from=R40&...

Does this mean I can go up to a Barton 3000?

I have changed cpu's in old machines so i have no trouble doing that but never upgraded one of my machines before. Is it worth it?

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#1
February 3, 2010 at 07:14:35
Go to the mboard manufacturer's web site and look up the cpu compatibity list for the model. Usually along with that the minimum bios version that supports the particular cpu is stated.

As a secondary reference, this site lists specific cpus that mboards are compatible with, bios version required, etc., and shows the specific cpu part numbers for each, at left in blue.
http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/

Older Socket A mboards can't properly recognize socket A cpus that have a 333mhz core speed requirement. They run at 266mhz max core speed instead of 333mhz - they may still run, but if you can't change the multiplier, your overall speed is slower than it should be.

The top 266mhz core speed socket A cpu is 2600+, but relatively fewer of them were made, they're quite rare to find used, and most want more for them than they're worth. A 2400+ is not much slower and easier to find for a reasonable price. Most used 2600+ cpus are the much more common 333mhz (Barton) version. AXDA2600DKV3C is the 266mhz (Thoroughbred) one. There are also two mobile versions of the 266mhz one, two different part numbers, they use a lower core voltage, but most if not all desktop bioses don't support recognizing them - if the cpu worked the bios would probably use the wrong higher core voltage for them.


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#2
February 3, 2010 at 08:19:47
Oh ok this is way more complicated than i can handle. I clicked onto the chart with the mb that i have. Sorry I didn't check the post before i sent it. Should be K7VM4. What are the highlighted part numbers that are in the chart?
Yes i noticed that many people on ebay were overpricing the cpu's that i was looking at so many are out of my price range. Really the computer is doing what i want it for.
I will try and study the website further and see if my brain kicks in sometime tomorrow night.
Been doing too much with these computers and i am still too much of an ameteur.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#3
February 3, 2010 at 10:47:05
"...i am still too much of an ameteur."

All of us were at one time.
At the very least you're trying to learn, which is more than I can say for some who have posted here.

By the way, sometimes the mboard's bios allows you to set custom setings for the cpu, sometimes it doesn't, and by default the bios uses the standard core mhz and multiplier for the cpu type. Most XP cpus will overclock easily (if you can change the multiplier) , at least somewhat, if you can specify custom settings. Usually it's not a good idea to set the cpu core voltage higher than standard - the performance increase is negligable and the cpu definately runs hotter all the time.
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"What are the highlighted part numbers that are in the chart?"

The AMD cpu part number - that's printed on the surface of the cpu itself.

If an ad does not state that, don't buy it.
Make sure the ad says the cpu has been tested. Some vendors have a DOA (dead on arrival) buyers policy - if it doesn't work you can arrange to get it replaced - some are at your own risk.

The ones with yellow behind them may or may not work - they're probably mobile cpu part numbers.

Clicking on the part number shows you the specific specs.

So - it appears your mboard model can use the 333mhz core (Barton) cpus, no problem, and the bios version is not a problem.
http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-ASRoc...

NOTE that you probably must have all 333mhz ram installed to support the 333mhz cpus. See your mboard manual.

You should also check here -
Latest cpu support list
http://www.asrock.com.tw/support/CP...


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#4
February 3, 2010 at 12:59:54
How much were you going to spend on the CPU?

How much and what speed RAM do you currently have. If you need to upgrade the RAM in order to take advantage of a CPU with a faster bus speed it isn't cost effective, IMO.


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#5
February 3, 2010 at 14:13:44
You could try phoning local places that repair computers and build custom systems, or local places that sell used computers and parts for them . They may have a suitable used cpu.

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#6
February 3, 2010 at 18:29:10
You board officially supports up to 333MHz FSB, so the XP 3000+ is the best you can do. If the CPU has 512k L2 cache, it's a Barton core.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/cpu.asp?Mo...

As OtH pointed out, if you don't have the proper RAM (DDR333 / PC2700), it's not worthwhile upgrading to a 333MHz FSB CPU.

http://www.starmicro.net/SearchResu...


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#7
February 3, 2010 at 18:58:20
I have windowsxp professional!
OK my ram is 2 x Hyundai 1024mb DDr pc3200...says the speed is 200mhz...is that right? I am using SIW to find out. Might try the bios.
Thanks tubeandwires and i always have this conception that your all at a super high level with computers. This is the first techie forum i visited 10 years ago!
Some of those part numbers are highlighted and some are not so i am confused about that. Well ont he page i visited that was so anyway!
That is good news that my machine can take the Barton cpu if i have the right ram.
OK the bios is saying that the ram is:
DDR1 1024mb/166mhz(ddr333)
DDR2 1024mb/166mhz(ddr333)

is this the one that i need? for the faster cpu?

Will read the manual tonight as have to rush off to things now!

Yeah they overcharge for anything in the computer shops around here and i find them not very useful. My uncle has a computer shop and hour from me but i can never get there as i don't drive. A night mare to get there via public transport. My uncle is very impatient so i only deal with him if i have to. I might ask if I have no other option though so thanks for the suggestions.

Thanks Othehill as well! Not sure about the money issue btw. I get handed a lot of pc's through organisations and i might be able to harvest a cpu from one of them??? So I am thinking in advance......

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#8
February 3, 2010 at 19:36:56
Ah my ram isn't pc2700 so it is a no go then...ok thanks jam....whats the best cpu that i can go to with what i have then? Sorry i posted the above maybe while you were posting to me so i didn't see it until now...

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#9
February 3, 2010 at 19:50:06
rapattack - you can use the pc3200 with that, pc3200 is
backwards compatible with pc2700, pc2100, etc. So as long as
you're running pc3200 you should be okay.

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#10
February 3, 2010 at 20:10:50
Oh he he I am sooooo tired I wasn't thinking or reading properly....silly me!!! Thanks for that Comp01

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#11
February 4, 2010 at 07:58:34
With the Athlon XP, it's very important to run the CPU:DRAM ratio at 1:1. Any other ratio reduces performance. So even though you have PC3200 (DDR400), if you're currently running a 266MHz FSB CPU, the RAM should be underclocked to DDR266 speed (133MHz).

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#12
February 4, 2010 at 08:05:05
Oh I have never done overclocking/underclocking. I am not even sure what it is. Theoretically yes but not in practice. So i gather this is something i do in the bios? So are you saying Jam with my present situation i would have to do the underclocking?

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#13
February 4, 2010 at 12:33:12

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#14
February 4, 2010 at 19:09:11
OK will give it more of a read later as i am super busy and super tired! Appreciate the help!!!
Btw i got nowhere with the damn Lifeview website. Can't see my driver on there or the model number for the tv tuner. I have emailed them!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#15
February 4, 2010 at 20:07:32
"Flyvideo 3000 tv tuner card "

Is that the exact model, no typos?
Is there anything printed on the card that may may a model number?
If there is a FCC ID number on it, quote that.


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#16
February 4, 2010 at 22:28:39
Hi sorry was just quoting what is in the box....on the website that the manufacturer has they dont go into anymore details than that . They just say flyvideo blah blah blah....whatever version no numbers...no part numbers or fcc....ok will look at all that when i get home...thanks

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#17
February 4, 2010 at 23:08:32
I searched on Yahoo for: Lifeview TV Tuner
and found these, as well as others

LifeView FlyVideo TV Tuner and Recorder software 3.25
http://www.softwarepatch.com/utilit...

The package can be used to update an earlier driver or for a fresh installation/reinstallation of the card. However, if you are updating an exisiting driver, LifeView advises that you run the existing version's uninstall program to remove the older driver and TV utility software. You will also need to download the FlyVideo Driver, which is available here

LifeView FlyVideo Driver 3.23
http://www.softwarepatch.com/utilit...


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#18
February 5, 2010 at 18:49:15
Those links are no good. I don't understand what the problem is but it goes to nothing

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#19
February 6, 2010 at 09:18:28
Oops - I didn't actually try clicking on the download links.

It goes to a URL on the Lifeview web site - apparently the files are no longer at that location, or that Lifeview web site may not exist anymore.

That's a common situation for links for software for older cards and devices, and for anything for lesser mboard manufacturers that have gone out of business, especially if the parent web site no longer exists, or it does still exist but they no longer have any downloads available for their older products (e.g. ECS mboards).

A tip - if you know the name of the actual file that the url was supposed to download, you can often find the same file elsewhere.

When the download links failed, I copied down the names of the files at the end of each URL location.

Search the web for:
"Drv._3.23.zip"
and
"TVR_325.zip"
with the quotes to find the exact same downloads.

or, leave the quotes off, to possibly find similar newer versions, amongst the more numerous useless "hits'".

There appear to be many places you should be able to get them from - DriverGuide links usually actually have it.

Driver Guide requires you to either register and pay, or you can choose to look at some ads, and get the downloads free - in the latter case you don't need to select the thing in any of the ads - just click on continue or no thanks or similar.


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#20
February 6, 2010 at 17:51:23
THats ok Tubes....
Yeah it was odd the way those sites tried to load. haven't come across that look before. Come across many sites that don't exist anymore but can't descibe what i saw. Maybe it is the way a linux browser handles it?! I don't download anything via my windows machine. Less problems!

Yeah I found quite a few versions of the file on driverguide so will pursue that in a couple of days properly as an update is always good. Things are good now but you never know. Been a member of driverguide for many many years! I forget they are around sometimes.

Thanks once again Tubes!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#21
February 6, 2010 at 22:41:24
You're welcome to our help.

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#22
February 7, 2010 at 08:07:27
A bit of advice about using driverguide. The links there have all been uploaded by users just like you. So, the probability of getting the correct driver from there is less than 100%.

I suggest you always try to get drivers directly from the manufacturer's site first. If none are available, then resort to the 3rd party sites.


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#23
February 7, 2010 at 08:13:18
Oh yes I have learned that over the years. :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#24
February 7, 2010 at 12:17:47
"A bit of advice about using driverguide. The links there have all been uploaded by users just like you. So, the probability of getting the correct driver from there is less than 100%."

I agree that sometimes the drivers/software available on the DriverGuide site don't/doesn't actually work for a device, because they are submitted by whoever, but in this case the file names I mention in Response 19 are the exact download file names that match (what was originally) the official Lifeview info I previously provided.
If they are available on DriverGuide, or elsewhere on the web, they probably are the proper ones for his TV tuner card, in this case.
There may also be similar newer versions that will work, the file name being the same except for the numbers, because manufacturers tend to use the same way of specifying the file name for different versions.

Many of the files on the DriverGuide site are there because you can no longer get them from the manufacturer's web site.
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#25
February 16, 2010 at 00:47:18
OK will look into this when i have time.
I understand about driverguide. I have often used them mostly for other peoples systems. Thanks for the advice!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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