the mysterious harddrive

Microsoft / Dos 6.22
September 15, 2009 at 17:55:53
Specs: Windows Vista/Dos 5.0, 2ghz intel / 2gb -- does it matter?
ok this may be a long post so relax a bit
i got a harddrive in a free stuff box
it has no label or manufacture name on it
i jumpered it for slave
and pluged it into the molex and ide
click click click click then it spins up
and i look in the bios it is reported as
<insert random ascii chars here> 512 bytes
i think ok maybe i pluged the ide cable in wrong
so i power the pc down unplug and replug the
ide cable click click click
so again i check the bios it is reported as
<insert random ascii chars here> 10gb
so i boot into windows
during the windows loading screen
click click click
i went to check in the my computer folder
i double click on it it says its not formated
so i formatted it
click click click like evrey five seconds
during format
finally i got done evreytime i click on the
D:\ drive i get click click click
i save a file click click click
and rarely i get error writing to drive D:
also all windows software reports its a
generic ide drive
thanks

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#1
September 15, 2009 at 18:31:11
If it's <insert random ascii chars here> is not a normal looking model number and its going click click click click it's probably dying.

Check your hard drive with the manufacturer's diagnostics.
See the latter part of response 1 in this:
http://www.computing.net/windows95/...

(thanks to Dan Penny for this link:)
Hard Drive Diagnostics Tools and Utilities
http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm...

If you don't have a floppy drive, you can get a CD image diagnostic utility from most hard drive manufacturer's web sites, but obviously you would need to make a burned CD, preferably a CD-R for best compatibilty, on another computer if you need to.

If the hard drive itself tests okay, any data problems found can be fixed, one way or another.


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#2
September 15, 2009 at 18:51:00
as i said i have no clue who made it
it has no label and the bios said its manufactured by
<random chars>
there is no numbers and the curcuit board is not exposed

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#3
September 15, 2009 at 18:53:05
forgot to add i have a usb floppy
and it is bootable

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#4
September 15, 2009 at 19:43:35
I would label it

"PAPERWEIGHT" or "DOORSTOP"

and move on to something worthwhile.

See below for click, click, click.

http://datacent.com/hard_drive_soun...

There is nothing to learn from someone who already agrees with you.


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#5
September 15, 2009 at 19:56:41
Well, if you don't give up that easily then try this.

Download and use SIW to try and determine what brand the hard drive is. Then use the above fitness tools.

If the drive make can't be identified use the Hitachi fitness tool as it is supposed to work with any make.

Get SIW below.

http://www.gtopala.com/siw-download...


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#6
September 15, 2009 at 19:57:17
Use the Seagate Seatools diagnostic. It will test any brand of harddrive, but it can only attempt to repair Maxtor or Seagate hard drives.

I have no idea why anyone would remove it's label, unless it's useless.

Does the drive have a tiny label on it that has what might be a serial number or model number on it, or the same stamped onto or into the metal?

Is this a laptop hard drive (2.5") or a desktop drive (3.5")?

If it's a laptop drive it's configured CS (cable select) when it has no jumpers installed. Two pins of the 4 vertically are for a jumper for master; the other two are for a jumper for slave.

If it's a desktop drive

- is it thicker than 1" (about 1 1/2") ?
If it is, it might have a capacity smaller than 1gb, and the mboard bios may not recognize it properly when set to default Auto or LBA drive detection settings

"it has no label or manufacture name on it
i jumpered it for slave"

If it has no label, how do you know it's jumpered slave?
If there's no markings, some drives have no jumpers installed when set to slave.

"Dos 5.0"

Older mboard bioses cannot recognize a drive jumpered as slave properly if it's by itself on a data cable.

If it's on a data cable with another hard or optical drive....
- don't mix CS (cable select) and master /slave jumpering for two drives on the same data cable.
- some hard drives (e.g. Western Digital) have two ways they can be set to master - one is for when it's by itself on a data cable (e.g. Master, single) , the other is for when there is a drive jumpered or set as slave on the same cable (e.g. Master, with slave). The Slave drive may not be recognized properly unless the hard drive is jumpered the second way.


<random chars> can be caused by a data cable connection problem.

It is common to un-intentionally damage IDE data cables, especially while removing them - the 80 wire ones are more likely to be damaged. What usually happens is the cable is ripped at either edge and the wires there are either damaged or severed, often right at a connector or under it's cable clamp there, where it's hard to see - if a wire is severed but it's ends are touching, the connection is intermittant, rather than being reliable.
Another common thing is for the data cable to be separated from the connector contacts a bit after you have removed a cable - there should be no gap between the data cable and the connector - if there is press the cable against the connector to eliminate the gap.
80 wire data cables are also easily damaged at either edge if the cable is sharply creased at a fold in the cable.

Try another data cable if in doubt.



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#7
September 15, 2009 at 20:47:19
@tubes&wires
cable is brand new
i inserted it very gentel and in the right way
it is a desktop drive
it doesnt matter how its jumpered it still is the same
i can tell because near the jumper it says M and S
it seems to have a capicity of 9.5-10 gb
@evreyone
the only markings are for the connections on the back
that says IDE and M and S for master/slave jumper
it has a number on the side
00633105
and a ok label on top thats all
no bent or broken pins
no burned smell
@OtheHill
heres the output of SIW
Disk 0
Manufacturer Western Digital
Model WDC WD1600BEVT-22ZCT0
Size 160.0GB
Firmware Version 11.01A11
Serial Number WD-WXE908S65682
Rotational Speed 5000 RPM
Interface Unknown ATA
Standard <blank>
Transfer Mode (Current / Max) <blank>
Features S.M.A.R.T., 48bit LBA, NCQ, AAM (Disabled)
Temperature 98 C (200F)
Drive Letter(s) C: M: O:
Controller Buffer Size on Drive 8192 KB
Removable No
Cache Enabled (Read / Write) Yes / Yes
SMART Support Yes
---------
Disk 1
Manufacturer <blank>
Model 00000000
Size 9.8GB
Firmware Version 0.00
Serial Number <blank>
Rotational Speed 4800 RPM
Interface IDE
Transfer Mode (Current / Max) Unknown / Unknown
Features 48bit LBA
Temperature 0 C (32 F)
Drive Letter(s) D:
Controller Buffer Size on Drive 256 KB
Removeable No
Cache Enabled (Read / Write) Yes / Yes
SMART Support No

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#8
September 15, 2009 at 22:18:22

Check the drive with the Western Digital or Seagate diagnostics - you MAY be able to fix it with the Western Digital one, but I doubt it - click click click click.

Heed the jumper info in response 6, especially regarding Western Digital drives - jumper or set it to slave if another drive on the same data cable is set to master, or both drives on the same cable to cable select, just in case it has two ways of setting master.

"cable is brand new"

How old it is, is not relevant. It's only likely ok when you first get it new.
A cable can be damaged or pulled away from connector connections the first time, or any time, you disconnect it. If it has a plastic pull tab near the drive connector, pull on the center of it; if it doesn't pull on the center of the data cable close to the connector.


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#9
September 15, 2009 at 22:38:56
i dont think the WD DIAG will work because the drive
doesnt support SMART above it says (#7)
"SMART Support No"

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#10
September 16, 2009 at 02:59:16
Throw the drive away.

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#11
September 16, 2009 at 06:41:25
The WD or Seagate diagnostics will work regardless of whether the drive supports SMART. For that matter, all 160gb drives support SMART, although that can be disabled, so that alone indicates there's something wrong with the drive, if SIW's info is correct, as well as several other things SIW reported indicating there's something wrong with it. E.g. - all 160gb drives have a temp sensor built into their board.

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#12
September 16, 2009 at 11:48:42
its not 160gb
the 160gb is my main hdd
the one i am talking about is disk 1 not disk 0
sorry about that

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#13
September 16, 2009 at 11:56:43
here is what we got
i dont give up that ez
Test Option: QUICK TEST
Model Number:
Unit Serial Number:
Firmware Number:
Capacity: 10.9 GB
SMART Status: FAIL
Test Result: PASS
Test Time: 22:40:18, September 15, 2009


Test Option: QUICK TEST
Model Number:
Unit Serial Number:
Firmware Number:
Capacity: 10.9GB
SMART Status: FAIL
Test Result: PASS
Test Time: 11:51:41, September 16, 2009


Test Option: QUICK TEST
Model Number:
Unit Serial Number:
Firmware Number:
Capacity: 10.9 GB
SMART Status: FAIL
Test Result: FAIL
Test Time: 11:54:14, September 16, 2009

Test Option: QUICK TEST
Model Number:
Unit Serial Number:
Firmware Number:
Capacity: 10.9 GB
SMART Status: FAIL
Test Result: PASS
Test Time: 11:56:19, September 16, 2009


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#14
September 16, 2009 at 12:08:08
It's failing the SMART Status tests.
That indicates it's probably failing
Run the long test.
If it encounters more that acertain number of errors, the test will quit and fail the drive.
E.g. for SeaTools, it does that when there are more than 99 errors.
If there a relatively small number of errors found, if you have used diagnostics made by the maker of thedrive, you will be given the option if it trying to repair the drive, however doing so will wipe out all the data on the drive.
If that's successful, you can then use the drive, however, it's likely thedrive will develop more badsectors in ashort time - test thedrive with diagnostics - the long test - frequently after that.
Personally I wouldn't bother using with a drive that fails the SMART status test.
And - click click click click - that is NOT normal for a drive that works properly !!!

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#15
September 16, 2009 at 13:24:20
its doing the extended test
it did something odd at about 15%
it went CLICK CLICK CLICK
then spun down the access light blinked four times
it spun up and resumed testing
p.s. i keep trying till i know its impossable to fix LOL

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#16
September 16, 2009 at 13:32:54
I would have removed it after click click click click. I have noticed that after the start clicking they usually don't last long. I do have one here though in a much older system that you can hear two clicks when you first boot but that's it. It doesn't click anyother time. I am asuuming the price was right on this one. If you need a second drive I would look into buying new they aren't that bad in price.

Likely

Practice makes perfect but only if you practice perfectly!


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#17
September 16, 2009 at 14:06:53
it was free i just want to see if i can fix it
the test is 40 % done
it has no data on it

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#18
September 16, 2009 at 16:01:48
Test Option: EXTENDED TEST
Model Number:
Unit Serial Number:
Firmware Number:
Capacity: 10.04 GB
SMART Status: PASS
Test Result: PASS (3 Errors)
Test Time: 15:51:19, September 16, 2009


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#19
September 16, 2009 at 18:39:03
do you think its internal or the logic board?

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#20
September 16, 2009 at 19:27:05
If it only finds 3 errors you could try fixing it.

As I said above...

"If there a relatively small number of errors found, if you have used diagnostics made by the maker of the drive, you will be given the option if it trying to repair the drive, however doing so will wipe out all the data on the drive.
If that's successful, you can then use the drive, however, it's likely the drive will develop more bad sectors in a short time - test the drive with diagnostics - the long test - frequently after that."

If you weren't prompted as to whether you want to repair the drive, look for "Low Level Format" or "Zero Fill" or similar.

Then run both tests - short and long - if you still get odd results such as SMART Status: FAIL, no temperature reported, etc., then the drive's board is damaged.


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#21
September 16, 2009 at 20:16:14
it says the temputure is zero and usually smart fail
also sometimes when doing heavy acess it spins down
the activity light blinks 4 times it spins up again
and resumes normal operation

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