Saving data before format

Microsoft Windows 98 se (full product)
October 30, 2009 at 20:18:57
Specs: Windows 98, 512
I have come to the conclusion that my best alternative is to format the drive c and do a reinstall of win98se. How can I save the work already on the c: drive. Can I save it to a cd if possible? Any help would be appreciated.

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#1
October 30, 2009 at 20:37:08
I would prefer to not to format. here is what I have done so far.

If I do a boot using the CD Rom it will stop at the Window98 screen.

Using the Startup floppy I can change over to the C: drive. I used the Help program on the start up disk and could get as far as the prompt. I can change to c: drive and can also change to d: prompt. I inserted the Win98 SE and typed Dir. It showed 15 files, attrib.exe , chkdsk.exe , command.com , debug.exe , edit.com , ext.exe , extract.exe , format.com , help.bat , mscdex.exe , readme.txt , restart.com ,scandisk.exe , scandisk.ini , sys.com (15 files o dir). I also used scandisk to check the hard drive and no problems found on C.

I used the scandisk and got a report that all drives no problems found. I did a boot using the floppy it attempted to start the computer but stopped at the A prompt. Changed to D: and did scandisk no problems found.

Tried a startup using CD Rom and holding down the CTRL key and selected option 6 “safe mode command prompt only”. It passed up the start up files. “Normal and Safe mode” only take me to the Winp8 screen and stops there.

Changed drive to c: and typed config.sys and got a “bad command”.
Did a sys c: and got the transfer to C drive.
Did a setup.txt form D drive and received message “drive not ready”.

Removed CD rom and inserted the start up floppy. From there I can chage to A, C or D.

Appreciate any help. I am not good at this and would appreciate stet to step instrucions.


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#2
October 30, 2009 at 21:13:03
"How can I save the work already on the c: drive. Can I save it to a cd if possible?"

Assuming you have a CD-R or DVD-R drive on the machine:

http://www.geeks.com/techtips/2009/...

"If I do a boot using the CD Rom it will stop at the Window98 screen."

Unless the CD disc is non-bootable, then that sounds like either a bad disc or a bad drive...

"Changed drive to c: and typed config.sys and got a “bad command”

"Config.sys" is not a command...

"Appreciate any help. I am not good at this and would appreciate stet to step instrucions."

Here ya go:

http://www.windowsreinstall.com/ind...


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#3
October 30, 2009 at 22:18:02
Not sure which 'windows98 screen' you mean when booting from the cdrom. When booting from the cdrom it needs to come before the hard drive in the boot order.

But the DIR listing from the D: drive when booting from a bootdisk is the contents of the ram drive created by your bootdisk. The bootdisk creates a temporary drive carved out of RAM at D: to load some files and bumps up your cdrom by at least one drive letter.

Depending on the problems that cause you to conclude you need to reinstall, you may be able to do an 'over-the-top' reinstall. That way you can keep your drivers and software intact. To do an 'over the top' reinstall you need to boot up with the bootdisk or 98 cd. At the dos prompt type
ren c:\windows\win.com win.old and enter. That renames the win.com file so a full install disk will work and not give an error about you needing to use an upgrade disk.

Then begin the installation in the normal manner. When it asks what directory to install windows in, it will default to 'windows.000' because it detects you already have 'windows' directory. Change 'windows.000' back to 'windows' so that everything installs in your original directory.

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#4
October 31, 2009 at 19:12:43
Dave, do I use the startup floppy or the CD rom?

Val


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#5
October 31, 2009 at 19:16:22
T-R-A, when I said that I typed config.sys and got a bad command I meant that after hitting the enter key I got that error message.

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#6
October 31, 2009 at 19:23:57
Oh I meant the flash screen it that is the description. Win98 screen.

Also when ylo say reinsall in the normaal manner I am not of the next step.

It is at the C:\> prompt now do I do a alt/ctrl del or just turn of the laptop with a startup disk (floppy or cd), which? Sorry I am not knowlegeable in this.

Thanks


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#7
October 31, 2009 at 21:20:11
For the 'over the top' reinstall just boot up with the floppy bootdisk. At the A:> prompt type the ren c:\windows\win.com win.old and enter. Then, make sure the 98 cd is in the cdrom and type setup and enter. If you get a 'bad command or file name' error, type E:\setup and enter, where E: is your likely cdrom drive letter since the ram drive has bumped it up by one letter. You can also check the assigned cdrom drive letter when the bootdisk is booting up. The last message should tell you what the cdrom drive letter is.

That should start the installation. It should be fairly straight forward. Just make sure you change the installation directory from 'c:\windows.000' back to just 'c:\windows'

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#8
November 1, 2009 at 07:35:03
Daveincaps,

I renamed it and restarted the laptop and got this error message "cannot find win.com, unable to continue loading Windows". Any oother suggestions?

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#9
November 1, 2009 at 11:31:02
Yeah, you're booting from the hard drive and not the floppy drive or cdrom. You MUST boot from either a bootdisk in the a: drive or a 98 installation cd in the cdrom. Check in cmos/bios setup and make sure the drive you want to boot from is first in the boot order.

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#10
November 1, 2009 at 15:19:11
check cmos/bios setup order? Not sure how that is done but I usually get A:ditve if I use the floppy and C if I use the CD rom to try and do a start up.

I did the last suggetion yesterday to ren Windows.com so when I did it again as you said I got a bad command error message. I went ahead and did the set up from C and got a error message "bad command or filename". Did the E:\setup and got error message "invalid drive specification". Any other suggestion.

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#11
November 1, 2009 at 16:56:27
When the bootdisk boots up, the last few lines that show on the screen before the final a:\> prompt will tell you the cdrom drive letter--UNLESS the cdrom drivers on the disk don't find your cdrom or it doesn't have cdrom drivers on it. Regular OEM bootdisk bump up the drive by one letter. Some bootdisk files you download will, for some reason, place the cdrom at R: But all you really need to do is watch the screen as the bootdisk files load. You need to pay attention to what the lines say as they'll show any error messages too. Just hit PAUSE if things scroll through too fast.

The 'missing win.com' message is because that file has been renamed to facilitate the reinstall. You can just rename it back to it's correct name by typing ren c:\windows\win.old win.com and enter at the dos prompt. That will allow windows to load as before but nothing will have been fixed as far as your original problem is concerned. But you'll need to rename it again if you intend to do the over-the-top reinstall.

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#12
November 1, 2009 at 17:01:56
The key to open cmos/bios setup should show on the monitor when you first boot up. Usually DEL, F1 or F2. It's F10 for a compaq. Then one of the setup pages will have the boot device priority (or words to that affect).

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#13
November 1, 2009 at 19:16:39
when I hit the DEL KEY or F1 or F2 I get a page that I can get help by ytping in help and enter. I did that and came up wiht a scree with title File-Edit-View- Options Help Option Help. I used the Help and came up with a blue screen. It says at the top: "What's New for the Windows 98 Startup disk? It shows information about Multi-config Start Menu, Multi-Config Start Menu, Real Mode CD-Rom supportEBD.CAB file and many more. I do not see where to look for the order of the drives. Would that be the screen for the CMOS setup?

The only way I know to pause the scree is to type "/p" is there another way to pause the screen?


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#14
November 1, 2009 at 20:42:22
Getting into cmos/bios setup occurs BEFORE the operating system starts to load. You turn on the computer. Somewhere on the initial screen will be something like "press DEL to enter setup" (maybe not DEL but some other key). You press that key. The setup utility opens and you look through it until you find the boot priority menu. If the operating system starts to boot up from the floppy, cdrom or hard drive then it's too late to enter setup and you have to reboot and try again. All this would be explained in your system or motherboard manual.

When I mentioned hitting the pause key, that was to pause the scrolling of items loading from the bootdisk--it has nothing to do with cmos/bios setup. Your keyboard has a PAUSE key. It'll probably say PAUSE/BREAK. That's what I meant when I said 'hit PAUSE'. Now, it's not going to do any good to hit PAUSE if everything is already loaded up because there's nothing more to pause. The purpose in using PAUSE is to allow you time to view the messages that come up as the bootdisk is loading its files. You hit PAUSE and the scrolling stops and a message comes up 'hit any key to continue'. After you've viewed the messages you hit a key and the loading will continue. Again, at the end of all that it should tell you what your cdrom drive letter is.

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#15
November 2, 2009 at 09:03:20
I see the that on my desktop not the laptop that I am haveing the problems.

when I do a Ctrl/alt Del with the cdRon it goes directly to the to C\> prompt and the error "cannot find WIN.COM. unable to continue loading indows"

If I do the dmae thing with the floppy it shows the splash screen that say "Windows98" and went directly to the c:> prompt with the same error message came up. What next can I try?

Thanks, Val


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#16
November 2, 2009 at 11:42:07
If you end up at the c:\> prompt then you're booting from the hard drive and not the floppy or cdrom. You MUST go into cmos/bios setup and change that. You cannot do the reinstall by booting from the hard drive. Either check the manual for your motherboard or system manufacturer (if it's something like a Dell or HP) or post back the system model number or motherboard model number and we'll see what we can find out about it.

What I don't understand is, up in response #1 you apparently successfully booted from the floppy bootdisk. Can't you just do the same thing you did then?

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#17
November 2, 2009 at 13:02:21
Lets put this a different way.

To boot from a floppy (A), you power off, put the floppy in the drive then power up again. As often as not your hard drive (C) will be set ahead of the floppy drive in BIOS so it will boot to that instead. You therefore have to set the BIOS so that the first drive it sees is your floppy.

To get into BIOS you need to know which key to use (watch the screen from the outset). It might call BIOS "Setiup". As already said, it can be the Del key or one of the F keys. This key has to be tapped very early, before Windows tries to start. The BIOS screen is a full page menu (usually blue) and you have to use your keys to find the booting options.

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#18
November 2, 2009 at 16:26:44
Unfortunately i bought the laptop used form a refurbishing dealer. Not manual included/ Mfr is Compaq.

I have as model number "Armada 7400 6300/T/6400/D/M/1".

I think that is what I did when I stated that back in Response #1. But I will turn off now and boot back up and see what happens.

Ok it took me to the Start Up menu to make a choice of start up (CDROM or wihtout). I hoose without so as to use the Startup disk. It took me to a:\> prompt.
above the A prompt are the following statements:

Preparing to start your computer.
This may take a few minutes please wait...
The diagnostic tools were successfully laoded to drive D.
To get help, thpe HELP and press enter.

Re: Response 17.
If I type HELP at the A prompt now I will get a blue screen. I think I mentioned this screen previously

I do not recognize anyting relating to Bios. Since I never did this before I would not know how to reset the bios so the floppy is seen first.

Can you type what the words are in the Bios so I recognize it when I see it.

Thanks val


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#19
November 2, 2009 at 19:23:57
Forget about the 'help' option. It's useless.

OK, you booted up with the floppy bootdisk and from the options chose 'start computer without cdrom support'. When you do that the cdrom drivers don't load and you don't have cdrom support. You need cdrom support in order to do the reinstall.

So reboot using that same floppy bootdisk. Choose 'cdrom support'. Watch the screen as the items load and see if you can determine the cdrom drive letter (using PAUSE if necessary). At the a:\> prompt AND WITH THE 98 CD IN THE CDROM try typing SETUP again as I'm not sure what cdrom option you chose when it didn't work. If the setup starts then just follow what I mentioned above about making sure it install in the right directory.

If SETUP gives the 'invalid command or file name' then use the drive letter given the cdrom when it was booting up (where you may have had to use the PAUSE key). It'll probably be E:. So, again making sure the 98 cd is in the cdrom you type E:\setup and enter. Or, if you observed on the booting screen that the cdrom drive letter was something else, use that letter in place of E.

The 98 installation should start.

Oh, and the key to get into cmos/bios setup for a compaq is F10. BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING THERE IF YOU ARE NOW SUCCESSFULLY BOOTING FROM A FLOPPY DISK. Let's don't make things worse.

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#20
November 3, 2009 at 06:25:09
Hi Each

Apologies if I poked my big nose in and added an unecessary complication.

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#21
November 3, 2009 at 08:29:10
Dave, I have tried your suggestion before stated in response 20 but I will try it again to see what happens. Here goes........

'PREPARING TO START YOUR COMPUTER.
THIS MAY TKAE A FEW MINUTES. PLEASE WAIT...
THE DIAGNOSTIC TOOLS WERE SUCCESSFULLY LOADED TO DRIVE D.
DEVICE DRIVER NOT FOUND: 'MSCD001'
NO VALID CDROM DEVICE DRIVERS SELECTED
TO GET HELP, TYPE HELP AND PRESS ENTER.
A:\>

That is everything on the page screen. I am feeling this will be up and running in the next couple of responses.

Val



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#22
November 3, 2009 at 08:34:40
Derek not to worry thanks for trying.

Val


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#23
November 3, 2009 at 10:32:17
At the A prompt and CDrom in the drive I typed "Setup" then "Enter" . got an error message same as before "Not ready reading drive A abort, retry, fail?

Rebooting to get to drive "a". at the prompt I insert CD Rom and typed E:\setup and hit enter. Got error message: "Not ready reading drive A. Abort"

Val


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#24
November 3, 2009 at 10:50:47
Maybe I should explain how my problems got started.

Previously I had used the laptop (HD 2GB) to access the Internet using a router. Then it got too small and I switched to the Desktop and use the laptop just for accounting. I disconnted the router. After several years I decided that I may need the laptop for mobile work. I tried to cannoect the router and it would not read the CD rom drive. Unable to read DC Drive. I figured the CD rom drive is bad so I bought a new one. It worked and when it ased to insert the CD Rom while read the drive the power shut off. The installation had 30 mintes more to complete when it had shut down. It did that twice and I tried to restart within one minute or so. It did start for about 30 seconds and shut down again before I realize the power cord was not connected. Even after connecting the power cord the battery was not holding. I could not get it to install after that session. Hope this helps.


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#25
November 3, 2009 at 12:18:02
Re #23

Pop the floppy in and out a few times then try again - maybe the A drive is a bit rickety (or the floppy itself).

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#26
November 3, 2009 at 12:54:27
Derek, as alway another voice is always appreciated. My signature change was kind of a plea for additional input.

The "DEVICE DRIVER NOT FOUND: 'MSCD001' NO VALID CDROM DEVICE DRIVERS SELECTED" explains it. The cdrom drivers aren't loading, either because they're the wrong ones or the cdrom is bad or not connected or jumpered right. If they don't load you have no cdrom support.

Yeah, the a: drive error message is odd. If you're successfully booting from it then it should be good and typing a command should either cause the command to run or you'd get the 'bad command or file name'.

Or did you take the floppy disk out? You want to leave it in until the 98 setup has started. As part of the setup the PC will reboot once or twice. You definately want to remove the disk before then as you don't want it to boot to the floppy during the installation process. There's also a point in the installation process where it'll give you the option to create a bootdisk. You can skip that because it's not necessary but if you do choose to make another you should probably remove the existing disk and put in a blank one. Of course we haven't gotten that far yet.

If you're uncertain about the bootdisk you have I can send you the one I use. It'd come as a file. You'd run that file and it would create the bootdisk. Post back your email or send me a private message.

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#27
November 3, 2009 at 15:49:43
moonriver

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Don't post your email address on the internet (including on here) in open text without disguising it so that it fools the spammer search engines. Best bet is to PM it to DAVINCAPS as per his suggestion (quite safe).

If you put it on here you'll get junk email forever - voice of a very bad experience I once had LOL.

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#28
November 3, 2009 at 17:54:30
Derek, thanks for the warning.

Val


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#29
November 3, 2009 at 18:07:06
Dave I am certain the CD Rom is fine because as I said I bought a new CD rom drive.

No I never take out the CD rom or the floppy when it is running. I will try that and take it out when it goes to the second boot. althought I am not certain at what point I should take it out aince you said not to take it out. Here goes......Nope do not understand because you said not to take it out and to take it out. Cannot do both. Please give more details.


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#30
November 3, 2009 at 18:30:42
Derek,

I have put in this CD Rom and floppy so many times I do not think it is the real problem. However I will do what you say. Here goes........

Done it and same unsuccessful results. I ended up with the A prompt.

Thanks, Val


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#31
November 3, 2009 at 19:01:13
It should be there. Sorry it took so long--I had to leave for awhile. Make sure you unzip the file and then run it. Don't just copy it to a floppy disk.

I only asked about the disk because that's the error you get if there's no disk in the drive. Yes you do need to keep it in the drive until well into the installation process but of course you haven't gotten that far yet.

If the bootdisk I sent doesn't see the cdrom then you need to check the cdrom connections and post back its model number--just in case it's some really old one that takes proprietary drivers.

I believe you said this cdrom was working in that same computer? And you've made no changes to it since then?

It's also possible the IDE interface the cdrom is connected to is disabled in cmos/bios setup. That's usually not the case with compaqs and I hesitate to ask you to check that as I fear it'll open another can of worms. So let's just see what happens with the new bootdisk.

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#32
November 3, 2009 at 20:53:45
It is a new CD rom. The computer could not read other CD rom and bought a new one. I told that before anyway I was fooling around trying to figure out how I can fid this thing by finding the setup and using it directly. Here is what I did.

I decided to find all the DIR from the C prompt.
I listed them and selected Win98 since the command should be there.
I typed "cd win98" and enter.
I then typed "dir" at "win98 " and there it was "setup"
I then typed "setup" and enter and walla it stared installing.

The software was Win98. Is Win98 Upgrade SE be installed as well.
I would alos like to thank Derek for his input and good intentions to help but Dave had it under control.
I want to thank you very much for the time and patience you had. You are worth a million "THANKS. I am up and runnig.


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#33
November 3, 2009 at 21:06:56
Thing is I do not have a full screen. Seem to be in safe mode. Also I cannot find the programs. Did I lose them?

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#34
November 3, 2009 at 21:10:53
Ther program are still her. How would do I extract them for usage.

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#35
November 3, 2009 at 23:39:56
You ran SETUP from c:\win98? Apparently someone had previously copied the contents of the WIN98 folder on the 98 cd into a similarly named folder on the hard drive. It's often done that way and you can do the install by running SETUP from that directory. Given the problems we were having I probably should have had you check that first.

If you installed in the original directory--c:\windows and not c:\windows.000--the desktop and program access should be the same. I've done it more than once and not had any problems.

The safe mode look is probably because you need to install video drivers but I think they should be intact if you installed in the correct directory.

If you installed in the wrong directory then you may need to do it again. This time making sure it goes into c:\windows.

Help me Jebus!


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#36
November 4, 2009 at 08:02:51
I am the only one here and I did not copy anyting onto the hard drive. Just so you know how to diagnose this.

I installed it the way I described it to you so you know how to diagnose it.

I will try to get to the prompt to c:\>windows and install at windows or should I use RUN on this little screen?


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#37
November 4, 2009 at 08:28:50
I am having a problem installing from C:\windows. I cd to C then CD to windows, I then type setup but I ger "bad command" error message. Can you give me the complete steps to get to c:windows for installing.

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#38
November 4, 2009 at 10:45:26
Oops. Must have accidently clicked 'submit follow up' before finishing post. So ignore this.
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#39
November 4, 2009 at 11:04:26
OK, first of all, when you did the succesful install you mentioned in #32 did you change the installation directory from C:\WINDOWS.000 back to just C:\WINDOWS as I mentioned in #3 and #7 above?

From your new setup you can check that by going to START--PROGRAMS and clicking 'MS-DOS prompt'. Does the prompt show c:\windows> or does it show c:\windows.000>?

If the prompt shows C:\WINDOWS.000> then it's a new install and I recommend you do the installation again. THIS TIME MAKING SURE YOU CHANGE THE INSTALLATION DIRECTORY BACK TO C:\WINDOWS.

How do you do that? You go back to your C:\WIN98 folder exactly as you did in #32 above and type in SETUP and enter, as you did above. Some stuff will load and then it'll stop on a page that asks where you want to install windows. This time it should default to C:\WINDOWS.001 (because it sees you already have directories named C:\WINDOWS and C:\WINDOWS.000).

So, click on the end of that line and hit BACKSPACE 4 times. (So you're going to delete the 1 then a 0 then another 0 then a period.) So now that line shows C:\WINDOWS Then click NEXT or whatever it is that will continue the installation.

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#40
November 4, 2009 at 20:02:43
I am taking a break off this. Will try again in about 2 days need to get some other things done.

Val


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#41
November 7, 2009 at 08:40:40
Did suggestion in Ref #39 and I think I misinformed you in Ref #32 relating to finding Win98. Evidently I did not find it in the location c:\windows dir. but in C:\setup98, where I fould setup.exe. I relaize the misinformation when I could not do what you told me in the last reference #39.

However when i finally did the reinstall c:\setup98>setup it again when through the setup and ended up as a miniwindow again. I changed the location to setup in C:\windows but during the install I got an error message after completing the win98 setup disk. The error read "generic installer error message SU99455 UP DATELNIS=PROCESSING ERROR (0X195).
I am at the mini window again. Can I do a RUN setup from the mini window if not what else can I try.

VR


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#42
November 7, 2009 at 12:21:51
SU errors are often associated with the ram. You may have bad ram or possibly too much ram. 512 should be OK but if you could drop it to 128 just to do the installation maybe it'll go OK.

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#43
November 8, 2009 at 09:26:32
I will try anything if you tell me how to drop the ram.

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#44
November 8, 2009 at 10:03:54
I have 64MB of Ram.

I went to Safe Mode >> Run >>Browse. It showed what was on the floppy. If I were to click onExtract or Fdisk what would that do?


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#45
November 8, 2009 at 21:34:39
Cant do it from SAFE MODE. I would corrupt some files so I found a way to get to c:\windows on the mini screen. If I did a copy a:\ from C:\windows would it be the equal to setup?

VR


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#46
November 8, 2009 at 21:46:04
Edit I didn't see #44. If you only have 64 meg of ram in the machine then you don't need to remove any. I was going by the 512 you entered in your initial posting.

I don't know what you mean by 'mini screen'--is that the MS DOS PROMPT screen?. As far as I know you need to boot from the 98 bootdisk and start the installation by going to the directory containing the installation files.. I've never tried it, but I assume it can't be done from safe mode using full version files

If you click on extract or fdisk from the bootdisk then you'd run those dos commands. Extract will pull a file you name from the ebd file on the bootdisk so you can use it. Fdisk is the dos partitioning software. Neither one will help you reinstall 98.

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#47
November 8, 2009 at 22:07:56
Since you seem to have 98 up and running but in the wrong directory do this:

Go to START--FIND--FILES OR FOLDERS. In the 'Named' line type in precopy2.cab. In the 'look in' line make sure it shows the C: drive. Then click 'find now'. Write down the directory that file is found in. That directory will also contain all the other 98 setup files and that's where you'd go to run the installation.

Then from the 'mini screen' (dos window?) what does the prompt say? Is it c:\windows> or c:\windows.000>?

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#48
November 9, 2009 at 09:44:03
If you can remember I told you I loaded the win98 but the screen came up the size of when SAFE MODE is in use. Not that I am in safe mode. I do not know the computer jargon to describe the screen so I call it mini-screen for this help session.

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#49
November 9, 2009 at 10:10:55
I do not have a DOS prompt unless I go RUN because I used it previously as you may know. When RUN is used and it is used again it will have in the box what was used previously. I had used it prviously to do a BROWSE.

I can get it back to C:\Window but only on the mini-screen. If I can expalin the mini-screen again it it the normal screen when the computer is turned on and the START button is visible for use but I do not know if I need to be in other screen by using the F8 key? It is best for me to wait your reply on this before doing instruction #47.

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#50
November 9, 2009 at 10:38:19
I think your mini-screen might be a poor resolution screen (as per safe mode which runs on minimal drivers). In which case you 'might' be able to change it. You do this by right clicking the desktop then selecting Properties then Settings. If you have the right display drivers onboard then you should be able to move the slider as necessary to restore the normal look.

Anyhow, this is just me thinking aloud, so by all means wait for DAVEINCAPS to return - I don't wish to spoil the flow on this post.

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#51
November 9, 2009 at 11:44:01
The flow here is so slow mosquitoes are breeding. I think the channel needs to be dredged.

Go ahead and go to START--PROGRAMS--MS-DOS Prompt. That will open the dos window and you can see what the prompt is--either c:\windows> or c:\windows.000>.

Then do the START--FIND--FILES AND FOLDERS search for precopy2.cab.

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#52
November 9, 2009 at 18:35:19
Ref #50 I had done last week on my inititive. The slider is was frozen and is still frozen.

I did #51 when you suggested it in #47.

You can stop the moquitoes from breeding whenever you want to if I understand your correctly..

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#53
November 9, 2009 at 19:38:09
Just kidding around with Derek.

But what were the results when you did 47/51? What directory is precopy2.cab in? What is the prompt when you open a dos window via START--PROGRAMS--MS DOS Prompt?

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#54
November 9, 2009 at 20:26:02
I thought I sent you results on #47 but here it is again. Results exactly:

Name: In Folder:
Precopy2 C:\Setup98\win98
Precopy2 C:\win98

The MS DOS Prompt is C:\windows.001>

What is your professional title?

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#55
November 9, 2009 at 21:18:05
OK, we can try the installation again. Boot up with the 98 bootdisk the same way you previously did, which will leave you at an a:\> prompt. At that prompt type:

ren c:\windows.001\win.com win.old and enter.

That will rename the win.com in the new directory that resulted from your previous attempt. Then at the next a:\> prompt type:

c:\win98\setup and enter.

That should start the setup process again. I'll go over again about changing the installation directory since unless you do it right you'll end up exactly as you are now:

At some point early on in the installation process it'll stop and ask what directory you want to install windows in. In this case it will probably default to C:\Windows.002 since it's now running in C:\windows.001.

Click on the end of that line--the one that says c:\windows.002--so the cursor is flashing there and hit BACKSPACE 4 times. So now the installation directory line should show c:\windows

If by chance that line was highlighted and when you hit BACKSPACE the entire line disappeared then just type in c:\windows It's important that it be exactly that way (well caps won't matter).

Then click 'next' or 'continue' or whatever continues the installation.

Also, it'll ask about making a new startup disk. You can bypass that but I forget exactly the steps. If you do it wrong you'll cancel the entire installation. So it's probably best to go ahead and make a new startup disk. Use a blank, floppy disk.

You'll need to remove the startup disk before the PC reboots or it'll boot from the floppy disk. But if that does happen just remove the floppy disk and hit CTRL-ALT-DEL to restart the computer. It'll then boot from the hard drive and the installation will continue.

Once all that's done and assuming you get it in the right directory--c:\windows--then everything should work as it's supposed to. The drivers should be there as well as all your desktop icons.

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#56
November 9, 2009 at 22:42:26

I will do it right.
Program is checking areas of drive C:

Ok it is at the point where is ask about the directory.

I am stopping here becuase I have done this before and it did not allow me to backspace.

It has two options currently:
C:\windows.002(this has the balck dot in it. I can click NEXT or go to other directory.
( ) Other directory

As I said I stop here because I did this before and wnat to refresh your memeory before moving on.

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#57
November 9, 2009 at 22:50:46
I will not sign out until this step is completed.

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#58
November 9, 2009 at 22:55:47
I need to mention that all my floppy has information on them. I have been using the same Startup disk repeatedly but I think the program overwrites the previous program.

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#59
November 9, 2009 at 22:57:20
I will say good night until tomorrow hitting the sack.

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#60
November 9, 2009 at 23:05:23
Yeah, you're right. It's been so long since I've installed 98 I'd forgotten the exact steps. You need to choose 'other directory' and then either hit the backspace or just type in the c:\windows whichever it is that specifies the new directory you wish to use.

I was pretty sure the step to create a startup disk would overwrite any existing contents but wasn't positive. That's why I suggested a blank disk. But as long as using the existing disk works then that'll be fine.

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#61
November 10, 2009 at 10:07:59
My XP would not start up this morning and I went ahead with the laptop installation. I did not select "other directory" so it went in the wrong directory. Not to worry I know I will have to rename the direcory again. Just let me know what to rename it and you do not have to write out the complete instructions. Sorry about that.


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#62
November 10, 2009 at 11:11:44
You'd always choose to install it in c:\windows.

Each installation attempt is creating a new directory while leaving the previous ones intact. So right now you probably have a c:\windows, c:\windows.000, c:\windows.001 and c:\windows.002 directory. You want to reinstall everything in c:\windows because that has all your hardware drivers and software links.

So if you do it again it'll probably default to c:\windows.003. You'd then need to choose the 'other directory' option and change--or just type in--c:\windows

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#63
November 10, 2009 at 15:54:17
Did the backspace to c:\windows
Preparing directory installed components
and available space
Estab Location: Selected United States NEXT
PREPARING STARTUP DISK
GENERIC INSTALLER ERROR
Message SU99405
Program quit installation at this error.same as when i first t sent the message and Derek replied.

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#64
November 10, 2009 at 16:01:12
Forgot to tell you I did not get a defaut .003

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#65
November 10, 2009 at 16:57:26
this looks a lot of hassle for Win98!

Vista nVidia Evolution SP2
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.8GHz
XFX GeForce 9800 GTx

4GB OCZ Platinum 1066
2x Samsung 1TB Spinpoint F1


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#66
November 10, 2009 at 18:15:17
As I mentioned above, SU errors are often associated with ram. Bad ram prevents the OS from doing whatever it's trying to do and it pops back with some kind of failure message. But it doesn't know that failure is due to bad ram, only that it can't do what it's trying to do.

I don't know if that's the case here. From what I could find the error sometimes occurs when trying to update some .ini files, often those associated with office. Did you have Office installed originally?

There is a hidden SETUPLOG.TXT file that windows setup creates as it performs each step. More information about what caused the failure should appear there, although it may not be any more helpful. So let's take a look at that file.

Boot up with the bootdisk again. At the a:\> prompt type path=c:\windows\command and enter. That tell the OS where to look if it doesn't recognize the command you enter. Then type
more c:\setuplog.txt and enter.

The MORE command will scroll through that file one page at a time and works with hidden files. The SU error caused windows setup to fail so I assume the error will be at the end of setuplog.txt. So after typing in the above command and hitting 'enter', keep your finger on the space bar and the file will continue scrolling until you get to the end. The last few lines that show there should mention the SU99405 error and what setup was doing when that error occurred.

Go ahead and post back the last few lines there and maybe we'll get lucky and figure out what the problem is.

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#67
November 10, 2009 at 19:03:43
Before I do anything let me reply to your question about Office. I did not install any Office program. But prior to I had an error message that the system.ini file could not be found. Then after that it went to vms32.vxd file could not be found. It was renamed and I have not had an error message on it since then. Hope this helps.

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#68
November 10, 2009 at 20:28:43
I imagine the error about system.ini was not that it was missing but rather that something being called by system.ini was missing. The other file was probably vmm32.vxd. If either of those was missing I don't think it would affect a reinstall, but without knowing more about the SU error I guess I can't say for sure.

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#69
November 10, 2009 at 21:16:19
Result from:
A;\>more c:\setuplog.txt

(fileQueque)
GenInstall () ERROR! :GenInstall Section :SetupUpgradeWIN:
with sub-section :SU.Up Date.Inis: ErrorCode=205, ErrorCode2=405
SUMB:Geeric Installer Error:Message SU99405
UpdateInis=processing error (0x195
Ok
Restart= Failed
(Dummy)

That is all of it just as it is written on the screen. I think this computer is calling me dummy (laugh).


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#70
November 10, 2009 at 23:17:21
Unfortunately I can't translate the MORE results to anything I can understand. You might check here:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/179756

and scroll down to 'SU99xxxx Messages'. It says those errors are sometimes the result of 'low conventional memory'. The only way I could see that would be a problem is if your bootdisk was messed up and wasn't loading himem.sys or was loading too much of something else.

Let me put together a stripped down bootdisk and email it to you as I did the previous one (# 31 above). I'll send it tomorrow.

In the meantime, try running the SCANDISK command it mentions there and see what happens with that. Just typing scandisk c: and enter at the a:\> prompt should get it started.

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#71
November 11, 2009 at 09:00:44
would that be a:\scandisk c:
because I got a"Bad Command" error .

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#72
November 11, 2009 at 09:05:33
Got same error message at c:\scandisk a:

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#73
November 11, 2009 at 09:18:52
Try

c:\windows\command\scandisk c:

and enter

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#74
November 11, 2009 at 09:24:46
Since I already have Win98 can I go back and use or reload win95 without creating more problems?

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#75
November 11, 2009 at 09:28:23
I want to thank you again for all the time and patience in assisting me with trying to get this laptop to its normal screen of operation.

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#76
November 11, 2009 at 09:40:23
You couldn't overwrite 98 with 95. You could do a fresh installation of 95, as you've done several times with 98, but again you wouldn't have access to the original software you installed with 98. If you're going to do a fresh install I think you're better off sticking with 98.

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#77
November 11, 2009 at 11:19:07
Oh i did that from day one of my problem and it found no errors so I exited the scan..

Well I guess I will try the website you sent me.

Thanks again for your time and effort.

VR


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#78
November 11, 2009 at 12:48:18
I'm going to send the bootdisk file in a few minutes. You can try the reinstall again. When you use it to boot up you'll only get a message about himem.sys loading. None of the other stuff that a typical bootdisk has will load.

It'll leave you at the a:\> prompt and you can redo the installation as you've done the other times. You should probably rename win.com again. I don't know if we're at the c:\windows.002 or c:\windows.003 or back to just c:\windows. To make sure type in the following:

Ren c:\windows\win.com win.old and enter
ren c:\windows.002\win.com win.old and enter
ren c:\windows.003\win.com win.old and enter

You might get some 'file not found' errors but that's OK. Just do all three to make sure.

Then start the installation by typing the c:\win98\setup and enter. And again, change whatever the default installation directory is back to c:\windows

If it doesn't work this time then I don't think we can accomplish an over the top reinstall. You'd originally asked about saving files before formatting. Assuming those are in the My Documents folder, we can save that folder and the WIN98 folder and delete everything else and do a fresh install of 98. You won't have any of your old software except for the contents of MY Documents and you'll have to hunt down whatever drivers are needed. But I think that's the best we can do.

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#79
November 11, 2009 at 17:05:33
The program are not so important as to the documents because Win98 will replace them and the excel work I have done, hopefully it will be there.

The excell I am currently using to see if I can work out some numbers that prevent homeowners from future forclosure which would come out in about a year so i hope it is still accessible.

Thanks again you are very kowlegeable.


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#80
November 11, 2009 at 17:28:18
Just did the 3 rename nd tried starting and got the error message Canot find WIN.COM. But this time I had the win98 starup floppy not the Original Windows98 SE. Could that make a difference.

When I did the renames got a message unable to ren cannot find win.com. There was alos no .003 only .002 was valid to rename.

I think I have to rename something here but not sure what.


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#81
November 11, 2009 at 17:36:50
Cannot get to the mini-screen anymore or I could do some work on my own.

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#82
November 11, 2009 at 19:32:18
If you're getting the 'win.com missing' message then you're booting from the hard drive and not the floppy drive. Are you using the file I sent to make a bootdisk?

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#83
November 11, 2009 at 19:40:37
I did not check the email I will check now.. How will I save that to disk to use it..

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#84
November 11, 2009 at 19:46:04
Before renaming those files I could do a ctrl/alt del without the floppy and it would go to the mini screen where the Start is accessible to use. Loading from the floppy will start the installation and will never go to the miniscreen that I need.

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#85
November 11, 2009 at 20:02:56
All done and saved to floppy.

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#86
November 11, 2009 at 20:47:15
I think we've established the 'mini screen' is the normal 98 desktop but is lacking the proper video drivers, giving it a 'safe mode' look. YOU CANNOT REINSTALL WINDOWS THAT WAY. You must boot with a floppy bootdisk and start the install from the white on black dos screen.

As far as the file I sent, you have to unzip it with something like winzip. Then you have to run the file that is extracted. When you do that the FloppyImage utility will open and ask you to insert a blank floppy disk. Do that and click 'create floppy'. When it's done you have a bootdisk.

If you don't do all that then the file I sent is useless.

The purpose in trying that particular disk is in case the stuff on your bootdisk is taking up to much memory. Also, on one or two previous occasions I've found that all the ASPI drivers a bootdisk loads can cause problems on some machines.

However, if for some reason you were starting the install from the 'mini screen' without booting from the floppy then maybe that's where the SU errors were coming from.

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#87
November 11, 2009 at 20:49:34
Reply to Ref 82.

I was getting the Win98 screen before renaming the three files except that the screen was the same size to that of the Win98 screen when starting to load.


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#88
November 11, 2009 at 20:53:11
Just read your reply #86 ignore #87.

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#89
November 11, 2009 at 20:57:56
No i was not starting from the normal win98 screen. I used it one time but it would not allow me to backspace to C;\windows from the 002. But I go there to look around never to start installation.

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#90
November 11, 2009 at 21:03:20
floppy was already created when you wrote #86. Since it is already on floppy is it unzipped or I still have to unzip it?

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#91
November 11, 2009 at 22:46:55
When you say it was 'already created' do you mean you followed the steps to make the disk I mentioned in the second paragraph in #86? Or did you just download the file to a floppy disk and have done nothing else with it? The file I sent will fit on a floppy disk but it's useless unless you unzip and run it.

If you made the disk correctly then you can use it to boot up the computer now. If not, you need to copy it back on your working computer, unzip it, and run the unzipped file to create the bootdisk.

If all this is too complicated I can send the file without zipping it. That way all you need to do is run the file when you get it. Sometimes executable files like that are blocked so that's why files are often sent in zip format. But we can try.

Edit Sometimes your email utility will extract (unzip) an attached file automatically if you have it configured that way. I can't possibly know if that's the case with yours or where an attached file is deposited when you open an email. I must assume you can find and use an attached email file.

Edit again I finally read your email. Looks like you got the disk created OK. Just follow # 78 to try the reinstall again.

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#92
November 12, 2009 at 07:30:55
Tried loading immedialy yesterday after downloading and all it showed on the screen was "starting windows 98" and then to the "A' prompt. Maybe it still needs to be unzipped? I do not have the slightest idea on how to do that.

Yes, all I did was download to the floppy. I have not deleted it so I can download again and unzip if you can tell me how.


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#93
November 12, 2009 at 07:51:07
It'll tell you to put in a formatted floppy disk. Do that and continue. It'll write the necessary files to the disk and after that you can use it as a bootdisk.

did exactly as you stated. I did not see anything about unzip. Evidently it needs to be unzipped. I'll see if I can unzip it.


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#94
November 12, 2009 at 08:04:06
Got the last email stating it should go to the "A" prompt. I will not be concerned about trying to unzip.

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#95
November 12, 2009 at 08:43:09
Did the install and thought it would work because this time it showed 125 mins of installation instead of the 30 mins previously showed unfortunately I got the SU error message again and it went back to the prompt.

I did a search and come up with this pointing to computing.net where someone had the smae error with win98 installation. Itried it but got error "Bad Command".

Here is the excerpt what do you think of it?

How to fix this problem:
=======================
When you get the SU99405 error do the following steps.
1. Restart the computer and choose to boot at command prompt (without CD-ROM support)
2. Type "cd \"
3. Type "type setuplog.txt | more"
4. You will probably see an error that has to do with powerpnt.ini
5. type "ren powerpnt.ini powerpnt.bak"
6. Restart PC and try installing Windows 98 again


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#96
November 12, 2009 at 12:36:50
I came across that too. Other sites indicated problems with other .ini files could cause it too. But in your setuplog.txt file there was no reference to an .ini file being associated with the error so I figured yours was due to something else.

Am I correct in saying that when you do the reinstall to a new directory--windows.001, windows.002, etc.--the installation goes OK and it's only when you install in the original directory--c:\windows--you get the SU error?

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#97
November 12, 2009 at 17:47:17
I never reinstalled to the any of those directory 001 or 002 and would not know if it would go ok. I did have a problem with the "ini" file before and I think it was renamed "old" but not certain about it.

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#98
November 12, 2009 at 18:04:49
Are theses installation decreasing the memory because I tried to do REf #73 to do scandisk and I got this message:

Scandisk is unable to check a drive because there is no extended memory driver loaded on your computer.

To check this drive, make sure that you have HIMEN.SYS file on the disk from which you are starting your computer. I think you know the rest.

It is the floppy I downloaded the file to and I did nothing to delete the file and I am not connected to the Internet to get a virus..


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#99
November 12, 2009 at 18:08:39
You apparently had some successful installations because you were booting to the 'mini screen' (the safe-mode-looking screen) and couldn't do so when win.com was renamed. That means you were booting to windows. Also, when you forgot to change the installation directory back to c:\windows we got the c:\windows.001, c:\windows.002, etc. directories.

I'm trying to make sure for 2 reasons. First, if you have successful installs in a new directory then we know it can be done and the problem has something to do with the old--c:\windows--directory.

Secondly, if we go ahead with a fresh install we should pull the product key from the registry. I don't know but I suspect you haven't had to enter it in the previous installs because that number is being pulled from the registry by SETUP. But if we delete all the old installs there'll be no registry to pull the key from.

We'd need to get one of the old installs to fire up to the 'mini screen' and then run a small program I put on the disk I sent to extract the key.

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#100
November 12, 2009 at 18:14:51
OK, I screwed up with that disk file I sent. I wrote a config.sys that loads himem.sys but didn't copy it to the disk before I made an image.

So I'm going to fix it and send the file again.

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#101
November 12, 2009 at 18:37:59
I'm going to send it as soon as I post this. Do exactly the same thing with it as you did with the previous one--extract it and then run the extracted file.

The file I'm sending and the extracted file it contains are the same name as I sent before. When you download and save it, you may be asked if you want to replace the old file with the new one. Answer 'YES' to that. You don't need to keep the previous one since it's defective.

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#102
November 12, 2009 at 20:26:16
I insert the disk as I did before and it is just sitting at the top of the screen blinking. Nothing happening.

The previous download went thorught the whole process until time to contine after making a startup disk. Then the SU message came up.

Until the last rename of windows.002 the message "cannot find win.com" started showing up.

Remember I told I was feeling good that a couple more installation and it wold be running normal. That was because the Normal screen came up but nit in the normal size. I was booting without the floppy.


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#103
November 12, 2009 at 20:41:50
Did you extract it as you did before? Did you run the extracted file? Did the 'create a floppy' window open? I need to know if the bootdisk was successfully created. If it wasn't, just do whatever it was you did before to create it.

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#104
November 12, 2009 at 20:49:20
I did a ctrl/alt del F8 to get to the A prompt. I got error message:
Bad Command or file name
C:\Pathe=C:\WINDOWS.002;c:\WINDOWS.002\COMMAND;"C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM

I got a second line with the same message with an extension.

C:\Pathe=C:\WINDOWS.002;c:\WINDOWS.002\COMMAND;"C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM "C:\ProgramFile s\Mts


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#105
November 12, 2009 at 21:09:57
Yes I did everything as before until it came to the create disk whick I click on and removed it at Finish.

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#106
November 12, 2009 at 21:12:12
I then put it in the laptop floppy and turn on the computer and it frooze wiht the flashing icon.

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#107
November 12, 2009 at 21:17:55
I got it loading. Maybe I did something wrong but I am not sure. will follow up.

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#108
November 12, 2009 at 21:29:34
Got the SU99404 message. Install aborted.

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#109
November 12, 2009 at 21:32:41
OK, the messages you got in # 104 weren't coming from the bootdisk I sent. I didn't specify that path and there were no commands that would have given a 'bad command or file name'.

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#110
November 12, 2009 at 21:37:46
OK, we're going to try to get the product key.

Boot up with my bootdisk. At the a:\> prompt type
more c:\msdos.sys and enter. At the top should be a line that reads [Paths]. Post back what it says in that section. It's probably 3 lines. That will tell me which directory windows will try to boot from.

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#111
November 12, 2009 at 23:12:24
Answer to 104.

I know it was not coming from your boot disk. I was trying to go back to look at the message that followed the scandisk. I wanted to check on "ini" file it had a error message. Except I could not get in again to find out.


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#112
November 12, 2009 at 23:17:47
(Paths)
Windir=C:\Windows.002
WinBootDir=C:\Windows.002
HostWinbootDrv=C
UninstallDir=C:\

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#113
November 12, 2009 at 23:36:53
Thanks for today's asistance. I am hitting the sack.

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#114
November 13, 2009 at 11:32:56
Laptop is showing Win.com cannot be found. But I do have win.bak and win.___. Maybe I cold rename win.bak to win.com

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#115
November 13, 2009 at 11:36:04
OK, we're going to set up the windows.002 directory to bootup by renaming win.old back to win.com. We may not need to boot to windows but we'll rename it, just in case.

Boot up with my bootdisk again. At the a:\> prompt type
ren c:\windows.002\win.old win.com and enter. If you get a 'file not found' error type dir c:\windows.002\win.com and enter. If it shows a win.com file then it wasn't renamed and should be OK.

Then type copy a:\diag.exe c:\windows.002 and enter. That copies the program to read the product key into the windows directory.

Then take out the bootdisk and do a CTRL-ALT-DEL to restart. BEFORE windows starts booting, start tapping F8. You should get a boot menu. Choose 'safe mode command prompt only'. At the c:\> prompt type c:\windows.002\diag and enter. That will run the program to find the key. (I've never used DIAG in a situation where windows is booting from a different directory but hope it works OK.)

If you miss the F8 menu and it boots into windows 'mini screen' then go to START--RUN and type in DIAG and click OK. I'm just not sure it's going to boot to windows so would prefer to extract the key in dos.

The DIAG program will show a screen-full of stuff. Pay attention to two lines--the product ID and the product key. The product ID will be of the form xxxxx-yyy-xxxxxxx-xxxxx. If yyy is OEM then you have an OEM installation. If it doesn't say OEM then you have a retail installation. You don't need to write down the product ID, just note if it say OEM or not.

Write down the product key. It will show 25 letters and numbers in sections of 5. Make sure it's right. Don't, for example, mistake an 8 for B, or vice versa.

Post back when you've got all that done.

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#116
November 13, 2009 at 11:39:58
NO, NO. Win.bak is a probably a backup of win.ini and not win.com. Win.--- is a copy of the original win.ini. You need to rename win.old back to win.com, as I mentioned above.

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#117
November 13, 2009 at 14:34:08
You boot disk is not booting so I used the Win98 start up. First step was good but copying the diag.exe c:\windows.002 file was not found.

I think I told you about the cursor just sitting and blinking using the dis I created with the files.


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#118
November 13, 2009 at 15:12:53
Just to explain, the command:
copy a:\diag.exe c:\windows.002
means copy the file diag.exe which is on the floppy in the 'A' drive, to the hard drive 'C' (windows.002).

DAVE put diag.exe on his bootdisk so that it could be used to find the Product Key. I've no idea why this file wasn't found if you typed the path correctly.

It will not be found on the W98 bootdisk because it is not on that one.

Try the command again with DAVE's bootdisk just in case there was a typo. Ensure you type it "exactly" as it was given, with one space after the word 'copy' and another after 'exe'.

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#119
November 13, 2009 at 17:13:13
Derek I typed it exactly on first try. One space after copy and exe.

Starting the computer with the disk in the floppy drive should take it to the "a" prompt. I do not think I should hit F8?

I will do everything again.


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#120
November 13, 2009 at 17:24:52
So long as you see a DOS prompt (either A or C) it shouldn't matter what method you use, because DAVE has specified the exact locations in the command line he gave you. No harm having another stab at it though.

I just thought I'd try to keep things going if possible until DAVE returns - I guess he deserves a break. Off to bed now (UK time zone).

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#121
November 13, 2009 at 17:29:24
It is weird because "diag.exe" is on the disk. Another thing is that it is not booting from but did before.

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#122
November 13, 2009 at 17:37:02
Am I booting incorrectly by having the computer off, insert the floppy then turn on the computer and let it work itself to the "a" prompt. Am I doing it correctly.

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#123
November 13, 2009 at 17:47:23
Ok redid the disk download and it copied diag.exe to c:\windows.002. (1 file).

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#124
November 13, 2009 at 17:49:49
Ok Derek thanks he does deserve a break. Have a nice night.

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#125
November 13, 2009 at 18:05:02
it OEM and the product Key I have all that information on the program when I first bought it. I recently stuck it to the laptop when I first tried to fix it on my own and reinstalled win98. It is the code to install.

Anyway here it is D28T7-4DTPX-VJPC4-QJYQP-BG64Q


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#126
November 13, 2009 at 18:21:16
Glad you got the disk going. I had created a disk myself using the same file so I knew the file was good. I thought maybe you needed to redo it from the download because sometimes bootdisks get corrupted.

I didn't realize you knew the product key already. Most people seem to lose their paperwork and don't know their key. I probably should have asked for sure before doing all that DIAG stuff.

Just to make sure everything is where it's supposed to be do a
dir c:\mydocu~1 and enter from a dos prompt. That should scroll through your My Documents folder. If it lists a bunch of files then you should be OK.

Or, if you're in the 'mini screen' just open the My Documents icon and make sure all your stuff is there.

Also check the WIN98 directory where all the 98 installation files are. You can do a dir c:\win98 and enter from a dos prompt. Or, from the 'mini screen' open My Computer, then open the C: drive and then open the win98 folder. There should be 70 or so files in there.

Check that out and make sure everything is there. If so, the next step will be to delete everything on the drive except the My Documents folder and the WIN98 folder.

Post back when you've verified those two folders are OK.

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#127
November 13, 2009 at 22:15:27
what is that symbol betwee the "u~1" I have it on the laptop but it will not be placed in the middle like yours but will be higher at the top. Don't want to foul it up so I will wait for your feedback.

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#128
November 13, 2009 at 22:23:34
Currenly I no longer get a mnin-screen you will know when I do.

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#129
November 13, 2009 at 22:38:43
After making sure everything is there then deleting everything on the C drive does it include the Excel files?

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#130
November 13, 2009 at 23:26:15
The ~ symbol is used by dos when it encounters long file or folder names and/or names with spaces. You can create a folder named My Documents in windows but you can't in dos. Dos is limited to 8 character for a file name. So when it encounters a long file name or one with spaces it reads the first 6 characters, ignoring any spaces, and then sticks on a ~1 or ~2 or ~3, depending on if other files or directories will have the same 8 letters. So in dos My Documents becomes Mydocu~1

What I plan on doing is deleting everything on your drive except what's in the My documents folder and the WIN98 folder. If the excel files you're worried about are in My Documents then they'll be OK. The Excel program will be deleted but documents created by excel will be OK if they are in the My documents folder. You could then reinstall excel once we (hopefully) get 98 installed.

If the excel files are somewhere else on the drive then I'd need to know where so maybe we could save that directory or move them to the my documents folder.

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#131
November 13, 2009 at 23:53:55
This could be tricky especially if you're not 100% sure where the files are. Also, the command we'll use will delete each directory one-by-one and ask you first if you want it deleted. But if you mess up and let it delete something you want to keep then you're screwed. If you have any doubts and the excel files are important you should probably take it to a computer shop.

In what part of the world do you live?

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#132
November 13, 2009 at 23:55:16
Under Win98 I have 101 files and 4 dir(s) and under dir c:\mydocu~1 278 files 12 dir(s).

I cannot re-install Excel it is a program that was included when i purchased the laptop. It would defeat my whole purpose of trying to get back the normal startup to save the Excel program. Do you think it will restart wiht the normal size start-up screen?


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#133
November 13, 2009 at 23:58:19
I live in the United States and you?

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#134
November 14, 2009 at 00:00:46
I will take a guess you are in the United States according to how you write. It seems American.

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#135
November 14, 2009 at 00:06:46
As you previously said most people seem to lose their paperwork. I have tax documents on the laptop going way back to 2003. IRS can go back up to 7 years to do an audit on taxpayers in America if you are somehow not in America so you have some knowledge of what I am referring to as IRS.

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#136
November 14, 2009 at 01:00:00
I'm in New Mexico. I thought maybe you'd say, 'well I'm here in Albuquerque' and I'd say to just bring it over. But not likely I suppose.

Excel won't run unless you can install windows in the original c:\windows directory. But we haven't been able to do that because of the SU errors. That directory has all the registry references and links and setup files for excel. When windows is installed in another directory none of the excel references are there.

Well I guess I can't say for sure. You could probably copy all the files from window\system into the new directory--say windows.001\system. and leave the Program Files folder intact. Then maybe you could browse to the Program Files folder and find the command to start excel and have it run. But that's very 'iffy'

Was your Excel part of Office 97, Office 2000? I have both of those and could probably send a copy.

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#137
November 14, 2009 at 01:27:15
If I guessed you lacation accurate I would be a genius at mental telepathy. Yah most like not.

I am not certain as to what part the is Excel 97 0r 2000. But mor close to 97 I would think. I will check see if I can find it.

I will be hitting the sack from here thanks again.

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#138
November 14, 2009 at 01:39:11
last reott before hitting the sack and it brought up the normal screen again but mini size. I think that is good because acces to other programs dir would be quicker and less difficult to correct. from the START button. Until tomorrow thanks again.

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#139
November 14, 2009 at 10:04:41
If the computer would read the D drive I think it would help solve my problem because I would have more flexibility with drives. What you think?

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#140
November 14, 2009 at 10:07:05
i shoud have waited to boot up before sending you that message. the computer just read drive "D".

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#141
November 14, 2009 at 10:09:18
It showed I had a drive D but whn I click on it got a message "D is not accessible. Device is not ready". Think it can be fixed?

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#142
November 14, 2009 at 10:56:43
was checking drive c: and found windows.000, windows.001 and windows.002

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#143
November 14, 2009 at 15:42:00
If D: is your cdrom then the message in 141 probably means there's no cd in it. If it's saying that with a disk in it then the disk is bad or the cdrom is bad.

We originally had a problem with a bootdisk seeing the cdrom but didn't pursue that when I found the 98 setup files were on the hard drive. If it's the laptop it may need a proprietary driver from compaq. I could probably look around for that but I doubt that would change anything as far as the SU errors.

I hate to ask at this stage but did we ever figure out if it would boot from the cdrom? It seems like it should if the cdrom is good.

You'd go into cmos/bios setup using F10 when first starting it up. Then set the cdrom as the first boot device. Save and exit bios setup. Make sure the 98 cd is in the cdrom. (You may need to do a CTRL-ALT-DEL with the cd in the cdrom) You should get a boot option when the bootable cd is detected. It'll ask to either boot from the cd or the hard drive. Obviously you'd choose cdrom.

You can check all that again if you want. Also post back about the office version.

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#144
November 15, 2009 at 09:36:43
Ref 143:
cannot remembr what I did but whatever I did it showed all the drives and cdrom drive was D. It had a CD rom in the drive at the time. I tried to access it from the RUN box but was not accessible "Device not ready" was the error message.

Since processing Ref 126 booting is now active from the CD rom when starting but cannot access from RUN box. So CD Rom is good.

I prefer not to boot from CD Rom as the first boot only when I need to install a new program.

Tried to bot wiht the CD Rom to process the cmos/bios bet get this message:
c:\PATH=C:\WINDOWS.002 and so on. I sent this error message before.

Office version of what I do not recall.


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#145
November 15, 2009 at 09:40:16
I can now get to C:\windows> from the normal mini screen that we could not get to before. You did say we have to install from C:\windows and not from .002 or any of those extensions.

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#146
November 15, 2009 at 12:21:28
It's not that you can get to a c:\windows> prompt but rather how you're doing it. If you're booting into the windows 'mini screen', opening a dos window and then typing cd\windows you'll get that prompt.

But I assume you're not actually booting up using the c:\windows directory because you'd have to edit the msdos.sys file for that.

I'm tempted just letting windows run from c:\windows.002 and not try to reinstall it. We could delete the other windows directories, find whatever drivers you need and I could send you the office 2000 disks and hope the excel on it will work OK with your saved excel files.

I just want to make sure. When you boot up to the 'mini screen' it's showing a regular 98 desktop but it has a safe mode look to it?

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#147
November 15, 2009 at 14:52:41
Yes that is correct in ref to the safe mode look.

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#148
November 15, 2009 at 15:21:25
I do not think i wiould delete anyting until I have tried other avenues if you cannot get it going.

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#149
November 15, 2009 at 16:17:27
Well, we're not going to get it back like it was because we can't install to the original c:\windows directory because of the SU errors. That's why I think finishing the current set up by installing drivers and Office is best.

As far as deleting the previous windows installations; you've got 3, maybe 4, windows installations on your drive, only one of which is being used. The others are just clogging up your drive. I don't know how much space you have left. But I guess nothing would need to be deleted unless you actually did run out of room.

Are we talking about the "Armada 7400 6300/T/6400/D/M/1"? If so I can look for 98 drivers on the compaq/HP site.

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#150
November 15, 2009 at 16:43:59
DAVEINCAPS

Just thinking aloud. Presumably the Windows folder with the latest date/time would be the one that was last loaded and now works.

Having said that, the recycle bin can be temperamental on W98 if you put too many files in it at once. It 'works' but sometimes takes few goes and reboots.
I concocted a batch file that deleted the the bins internal files/folders then restored it empty.

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#151
November 15, 2009 at 18:58:28
I have 000, 001, 002, maybe 003 now. I simply have too much important information to delete. Even though I think you are pretty good at this I am confident deleting anything will make this computer useles. I am kept it alive because of petinent information needed.

If any can be deleted I think it should be all windows except 002. That is the one currenly coming up on START. I think I have about 6,400 MB left.


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#152
November 15, 2009 at 20:24:44
Thanks Derek, I think when you try to delete a massive amount of stuff, or the bin's almost full already, you get some message saying it won't fit and asks if you just want to delete it. My original plan was to delete all but My Documents and WIN98 with deltree as I'd included it on the disk but one mistake there and it's gone for good. I think I'll just hunt down the drivers and send an Office disk, if necessary. Best I can do at this point.

Moonriver, if you've got 6.4 gig left--and not just a 6.4 gig drive--then you've got enough room. I'll post back driver URL, probably from compaq's site. It is the Armada, right?

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#153
November 15, 2009 at 21:01:58
This is the download page for the Armada 7400 series:

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsuppor...

Under driver Graphics you need to download the S3 video file.

Under driver - Display download the set video utility.

Under driver - audio download the ESS driver file.

That will setup your video and audio and will probably be all you need to do what you want to do with it.

The download files should all start with SP. When you download the file, write down the file name and what it's for. For example, the graphics download is SP13676.exe.

Download the files on the computer you're on now or one that has a cd burner. Then burn the files to a cd

Start up the Armada and when it gets to the desktop, put the driver cd in and open it. It's probably best to install the graphics driver first, then the display driver and then the audio driver.

So double click on SP13676.exe and it will extract the files. I'm hoping it will also run the installation. If not you'll have to browse to the folder in which they were extracted and run the SETUP file in that folder.

Do the same with the display driver and then the audio driver. After each installation it may direct you to reboot. Just follow the directions and hopefully it'll all work out.

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#154
November 15, 2009 at 21:14:34
Oh, and I think it may have a 6.4 gig drive in it so you wouldn't have 6.4 gig of space left. You can check that by opening 'my computer' and right clicking on the C: drive and choose 'properties'.

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#155
November 15, 2009 at 22:06:26

Yes it is the Armada. This laptop had 2 gig hardrive, now remaining about 6,400 mb free

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#156
November 15, 2009 at 22:15:58
I thought you siad that we needed to install from C:\windows> to be able to access all the files. I am at the c:\windows prompt.

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#157
November 15, 2009 at 23:11:43
Checked the hard drive profile. Capacity is 9.34 GB, uses 3.63 GB,5.71 GB.

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#158
November 15, 2009 at 23:26:23
Yes if we did an over-the-top reinstall we'd need to install to c:\windows. But we've already tried that several times and gotten the SU error and setup stops. Remember all the discussion about changing the default directory from c:\windows.000 or c:\windows.001 or whatever back to just c:\windows? You don't need to install windows from the c:\windows> prompt; you specify the directory during the installation.

And as I mentioned in 146, it's easy to get to a c:\windows> prompt. But, just curious, what did you do to get to the c:\windows> prompt?

If you want, you can try the install again, although unless you've made some mistake in all the previous tries it's not going to make any difference. Again, just make sure to change the default directory back to just c:\windows.

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#159
November 15, 2009 at 23:44:59
I think you siad the prompt have to be a C:\windows> on the black and white screen to load and make it work, if so I have it there now.

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#160
November 16, 2009 at 10:14:26
C:\Windows is where you go to when you "Shut-down to DOS from Windows on W98". Not sure how else you got it.

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#161
November 16, 2009 at 10:20:53
What I did to get to C:Windows?
Inserted the Win98SE flopppy
Restart with Ctrl/alt Del
Tap F8
At A:\ typed "c:\
at C:\> tyeped cd windows
Got the C:\WINDOWS

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#162
November 16, 2009 at 12:13:28
I will try to program the laptop for direct download. I was doing it when the power on the laptop was goingbad I did not know it and this problem started. I did it before and can doi it again from the mini window to perform #153. Should I do it now or wait to see if we can fix the primary problem?

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#163
November 16, 2009 at 15:44:16
Re #160 & 161. That's clear now - I thought you had somehow got directly to C:\Windows without typing anything (which puzzled me).

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#164
November 16, 2009 at 16:53:09
By 'direct download' do you mean using its modem or network connection? If so, you're likely to need those drivers before that hardware will work. If it's not one of those, are you talking about something like a Direct Cable Connection between your laptop and another PC?

You can check to see what hardware still needs drivers by going to Device Manager. You can right click on 'my computer', choose 'properties' and then 'device manager'. Anything not set up will have a yellow ! or ? associated with it.

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#165
November 16, 2009 at 17:00:43
Derek,

Maybe if I was a magician. In that sense I would fix all my errors with a snap of the finger LOL. That would be nice.


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#166
November 16, 2009 at 17:04:05
I am think if I had am external HD I could transfer everything to it, format the HD in the laptop and tranfer back the filles from the external.Would that work?

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#167
November 16, 2009 at 19:01:16
If 98 sees the external drive. You may need to install drivers for that too. But I don't see how that would help restore the original configuration with working excel. It would still be a fresh installation, which you have now.

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#168
November 16, 2009 at 19:14:35
Actually i would reinstall the programs and files individually and after each tranfer restart the laptop. If I have a problem restarting it would mean the last insallation is the problem would delete the files and program if necessary. Does that sound logical to work?

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#169
November 16, 2009 at 20:13:39
What programs? I thought you didn't have the excel installation disk

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#170
November 16, 2009 at 22:18:14
I stated Excel on the HD I do not have a disk.

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#171
November 16, 2009 at 22:39:16
I did state that the programs are not so important but the Excel is since I am woking on something in it. Ref #79.

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#172
November 16, 2009 at 23:41:44
OK, just wanted to make sure.

I think you're making this more complicated. Sure, you can copy stuff off to an external drive, reformat, reinstall 98, reinstall drivers and copy stuff back. But you still won't be able to run excel unless you reinstall it either from an excel disk or an office disk. That's because the excel on the hard drive now is only set to run from that original c:\windows directory--the one we can't seem to reinstall to.

But if you just reinstall the drivers I linked to above you'll get the same results. You'll still have to reinstall excel in order to use it but you wouldn't have to go through all that other stuff.

I don't know if anyone asked, but what exactly was the original problem that caused you to want to reformat and reinstall? Was 98 not working at all? Was excel working?

I ask because if you had some problems but excel was working we can edit the msdos.sys file and boot up to the original c:\windows directory. That way you could finish whatever needed to be done with the excel files. And you could verify that whatever you needed was in the My Documents folder and you could check to see what version of office you were running.

We might even be able to fix whatever the problem is, given that reinstalling is getting to be such a headache.

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#173
November 17, 2009 at 18:19:09
It is not that I want to make it more complicated but to be able to keep as many program as i can. They all have important information and if I have to buy a copy of Excel2000 I am prepared to do it. Somehow I feel we can reinstall to the original C:\windows with lots more patience and you have been very helpful but that is up to you.

If all computers needed a version of office to function I do not know what version it is. If it did not need one I definately do not have a version of Office. Refer to #24 for info on how and when my problem started.


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#174
November 17, 2009 at 19:25:48
It seems like you're looking for a middle ground. There is none. You either reinstall 98 to c:\windows--which we've tried and gotten the SU error--and have full access to all the previoiusly installed software or you do a fresh install--which you've done--and have no access to previously installed software.

Since you're concerned about the excel stuff then I recommend you install the drivers from the compaq site to your working 98 and then reinstall excel, either though Office or a stand-alone excel disk.

If there's other software you're worried about then you'd need to reinstall that too.

# 24 sounds like a hardware problem in that the battery and\or adapter couldn't keep the laptop running long enough to install whatever you were trying to install. Apparently that's not a problem now or you would have mentioned it when trying to reinstall 98. But you don't say there whether or not windows would boot up after that.

I mentioned changing the boot directory back to c:\windows by editing msdos.sys and booting to your original directory. One thing we commonly try with 98 when a software installation screws up is to restore an older registry from before the attempt. We can try that if you want with the original c:\windows install. Maybe that's all it'll take.

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#175
November 17, 2009 at 20:20:16
I was thinking about the registry today because ifelt the problem could be in the registry but forgot to mention it in 173. Although I never touched the registry I would definately like to restore the old registry see what happens..

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#176
November 17, 2009 at 21:30:50
Boot up into windows 'mini screen'. Then START--RUN. Type in
attrib -s -h -r c:\msdos.sys, then click OK. That will unhide msdos.sys so we can edit it. (There's a space between -r and c. It may not seem obvious the way the font is.)

Then START--RUN and type in notepad and click OK. From the notepad pull-down menu click 'file' and then 'open'. In the 'file name' line type in c:\msdos.sys and click 'open'.

We need to edit the first 2 lines under [paths]. They now are probably:

Windir=C:\Windows.002
WinBootDir=C:\Windows.002

or maybe they're ending in 003 if you did another install. But whatever they are now we need to change them to:

Windir=C:\Windows
WinBootDir=C:\Windows

So put the mouse cursor at the end of each line and hit backspace 4 times so you remove the .002 (or whatever it is).

Also, remember what those 2 lines originally were in case we need to change them back.

When the lines look right click 'open' again from the pull down menu and then 'save'. Then close notepad.

Then go back to START--RUN and type in attrib +s +h +r c:\msdos.sys and click OK. That will rehide msdos.sys. (Again, a space between -r and c.)

When all that is done, shut it down via START--SHUT DOWN and choose 'restart'. It should reboot from the original c:\windows directory.

To backdate the registry, start tapping F8 before 98 starts loading. You should get a boot menu. Choose 'safe mode command prompt only'

When it gets to a prompt it should be c:\windows. At that prompt type scanreg/restore and enter. It'll show probably 5 backups and their dates. You must choose a date from before the screwed up installation. Ideally it would be the one just before, but if you're not sure I guess use the oldest one.

If it succesfully restores then reboot into windows and keep your fingers crossed.


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#177
November 18, 2009 at 19:44:54
I had deleted .000, 001 earlier. There were no .003. Everthing done right the woindows .002 is gone. Only error is Cannot find Win.com, unable to continue loading Windows. This was happening before even under the .002. I have it reading drive D from RUN. Did that before Ref 173. It still does not read D from the black and white screen This is good progress by your excellent effort.

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#178
November 18, 2009 at 19:55:09
I should be able to load win98 to C:\windows from RUN.

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#179
November 18, 2009 at 20:51:05
We renamed all the 'win.com' to win.old. That's why you're getting that message. We can always rename win.old back to win.com but I think it's best you don't boot into windows but rather start off with the registry restore from the dos prompt. You shouldn't be getting the win.com error anyway if you're using F8 and booting to command prompt.

Scanreg only keeps track of the registries from the last 5 days you booted into windows. So if you boot into windows now it'll create a new saved registry and delete the oldest. And, who knows, it may be that registry you need to restore.

So try the restore and see what happens.

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#180
November 18, 2009 at 21:17:38
I found this in a forum about WIN.COM but thought I would get your feedback. I will wait for your reply before going on to #179.

"The problem has been fixed . I just added the line:

@C:\WINDOWS\WIN.COM

to autoexec.bat and now the computer boots to Windows without the error message.

>>As to your problem starting windows, it sounds like something messed with your command path. Most likely some software you installed. A path statement in autoexec is the easiest and safest fix.<<

I rember now that a couple of days ago I upgraded from MS Project 98 to 2000, and that 98 had put a SET PATH command in autoexec. When I was editing the file, I noticed that the command had been deleted. So I presume that this was the problem.

Anyhow, thanks all for your help and input - good to know I can get a quick response!"

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#181
November 18, 2009 at 21:23:20
It stayed in safe mode command prompt only for a few seconds and showed Windows.002\net start and went to C:\>. Should I do a "CD to Windows" a this prompt. THEN DO THE RESTORE?

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#182
November 18, 2009 at 21:35:30
Explanation to #174.
The battery is not good it does not hold a charge. It will go dead in about 5 or 10 min when the power cord is not connected. I did not realize the cord fell out the computer socket.

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#183
November 18, 2009 at 21:45:44
Adding a path to win.com in autoexec.bat isn't necessary. It wouldn't help anyway since win.com has been renamed so it's not there.

The 'Windows.002\net start' must be coming from autoexec.bat. You must have chosen 'command prompt only' instead of 'safe mode command prompt only' as 'safe mode command prompt only' bypasses autoexec.bat so that line wouldn't show.

You can probably run scanreg/restore from either command prompt options. I prefer 'safe mode command prompt only' so that nothing at all loads from config.sys or autoexec.bat.

I made an error in 176 when I said the F8 and then 'safe mode command prompt only' would leave you at c:\windows>. It will leave you at c:\>, which you got. So everything should be OK.

So, once you get to the prompt via F8 and either of the command prompt options shown there, run the restore operation as I mentioned in the last 3 paragraphs of 176.

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#184
November 18, 2009 at 22:18:46
I started back at10-23-09 whicek was the last date. The message stated I have restored registry with no errors. But it came up with the error message cannot find WIN.COM unable to continue loading windows. I think we are close to solving this problem.

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#185
November 18, 2009 at 22:26:18
OK, now from any dos prompt--maybe the win.com error leaves you at a dos prompt?--type ren c:\windows\win.old win.com and enter.

Assuming you don't get an error message from that, then do a CTRL-ALT-DEL and let it boot into windows.

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#186
November 18, 2009 at 22:36:29
Got message;
File Not Found - C:\windows\win.old

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#187
November 18, 2009 at 22:42:35
OK, you still have the c:\windows.002 directory so we'll copy it from there:

Type copy c:\windows.002\win.com c:\windows and enter

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#188
November 18, 2009 at 22:55:30
"1 file copied"

Any specific way to restart now?


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#189
November 18, 2009 at 22:58:40
Do CTRL-ALT-DEL and let it boot into windows (hopefuly).

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#190
November 18, 2009 at 23:13:40
It seem to be frozen at the normal window98.

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#191
November 18, 2009 at 23:23:14
Frozen on the desktop or on the loading screen or??

Let it sit for awhile and maybe it'll keep going.

If not, reboot and use F8 and choose 'safe mode' and see if it'll boot to that.

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#192
November 18, 2009 at 23:26:36
Frozen at the MS Win98 screen. Not the desktop.

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#193
November 18, 2009 at 23:28:32
Wait for a few minutes...windows might be doing something.

If no go, try safe mode.

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#194
November 18, 2009 at 23:32:02
Not opening in "Safe Mode".

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#195
November 18, 2009 at 23:41:33
Hitting the sack. I will leave on the pc until tomorrow.

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#196
November 18, 2009 at 23:51:48
I hoped if it booted to either safe or normal mode but still wasn't 'right' we'd try a reinstall from within windows and try to fool it into thinking it was an upgrade by renaming win.com. I don't know it it would have worked but I thought it'd be worth a try. But if it's not booting to either I guess that's out.

I can't think of anything else other than to edit msdos.sys to boot to windows.002 again, install the drivers and Office or stand-alone excel.

Any ideas? Skip? Derek?

I'm going to bed too.

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#197
November 19, 2009 at 00:26:08
Yeah, bed. I gotta read this whole thread and maybe pickup something.

Skip


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#198
November 19, 2009 at 10:02:41
Skip, thanks.

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#199
November 19, 2009 at 11:06:27
With nearly 200 posts and lots of activity this one has become really hard to follow. Standing back from things, it seems very likely that we now have a registry and a file system which are no longer a close enough match. There are some situations that don't lend themselves too well to help at a distance and this rather looks like one.

I'm not normally defeatist but the idea of reformat and re-install seems very attractive. I'm not sure if you said you have a W98SE CD but there's a good chance there is one on eBay (also Excel 2000). I have both, plus the Windows updates up to their demise in 2006 but being in the UK is not so handy.

Saving your own stuff would be an issue - has this machine got a floppy drive? Often Excel files are relatively small and less than 1.38M (which is about the true 1.4M floppy max). EDIT - Just seen post #2 which suggests a way to burn to CD using Linux.

The other issue would be drivers - not sure if you have any of those tucked away because they would be needed before any thought of reformat. W98 drivers can be a bit hard to find these days.

Or, be ultra defeatist and look out for a second hand XP laptop - must be really cheap these days. Excel 2000 runs fine on XP.

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#200
November 19, 2009 at 12:14:50
At this point I think the easiest thing for you is going back to the windows.002 installation. Install the drivers and Office or just Excel.

Or you could take the drive out and put it in an external case or in a 3.5"/2.5" adapter and connect it to the PC you're on now or on another laptop as Derek mentions.

I was thinking last night while watching the Leno show I recorded earlier that since .ini files are sometimes associated with SU error, maybe we could rename all the .ini files and then try the reinstall again in c:\windows. I don't hold out much hope for that but it wouldn't hurt to try.

There are limits to what can be done remotely, as we are doing here, and we're certainly close to that limit.

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#201
November 19, 2009 at 17:18:37
Derek,

Yes I do have a Win98SE CD and a floppy drive both works. I am not keen on getting another laptop. The laptop would be useless without the information on the current laptop. References, useful favorties, just too many that is needed. i would have to scrap my work.

Thanks for your help.


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#202
November 19, 2009 at 17:22:01
DAVEINCAPS,

Ok lets try to rename the .ini files.


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#203
November 19, 2009 at 17:24:55
What about post 180?

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#204
November 19, 2009 at 18:19:14
I responded to that in 183. There is a default path of c:\windows;c:\windows\command that will find win.com as well as the [Paths} section in msdos.sys. Whatever the situation was that was addressed in the post you found don't apply here. The lack of an extended path is not a factor. Besides it attempted to boot up after we copied win.com from windows.002.

Boot up, preferably with the corrected disk I sent. At the a:\> prompt type
ren c:\windows\*.ini *.aaa and enter.
(Space between *.ini and *.aaa) That will change the extenstion of all the .ini files in the windows directory from .ini to .aaa so SETUP will ignore them.

Then as we've done before, type c:\win98\setup and enter. When it gets to the screen about choosing the installation directory I'm not sure what it'll default to. But whatever it is, choose OTHER DIRECTORY and edit the line so it just shows c:\windows

The SU errors seem to show just after the creating-the-bootdisk part so if we get past that then maybe we're OK.

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#205
November 19, 2009 at 19:06:59
I think this might work. It went to C:\windows without having to do anything. My fingers are crossed. It is still processing.

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#206
November 19, 2009 at 19:11:16
It went to c:\windows as the installation directory? That's odd. Oh, another thing, we forgot to rename win.com to something else. That might be OK. I can't remember for sure but I think one of the versions--retail or OEM--was OK with win.com being there. I guess we'll find out.

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#207
November 19, 2009 at 19:27:54
It's sitting at the Normal Start up screen but this time it has a message at the bottom that it did not have previously, "Getting ready to run Windows for the first time". It is a good omen I am confident.

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#208
November 19, 2009 at 20:10:08
So how did it go?

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#209
November 19, 2009 at 21:14:41
I got stuff to do early tomorrow so I'm going to bed. If we luck out and the install works, your screen may still have a 'safe mode' look. That's probably because it's not using the old system.ini file (since they were all renamed) where the video controller is spelled out. We'll copy the .aaa version over the new one but first I want to take a look at it to make sure it's not corrupted.

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#210
November 19, 2009 at 21:54:12
Ok and how will you take a look at it. It is still sitting. Signing out until tomorrow.
It has no SAFE MODE.

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#211
November 20, 2009 at 09:41:48
Now that is is loading directly to C:\windos would it be a good idea to reinstall windows from the floppy?

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#212
November 20, 2009 at 09:49:52
The main thing to look at in system.ini is if all the sections are there and to make sure there's no gibberish. We'll get to that if it turns out the reinstall was successful.

It shouldn't be hanging at the 'getting ready to start windows for the first time' for more than a few minutes. If it doesn't go past that just restart it.

What's it doing now?

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#213
November 20, 2009 at 18:09:46
it is not doing anything just sitting at the win98 screen.

yes I think there is a lot of gibberich that is keeping it form starting. If there is a way to look at a perfect complete win98 program and then look at mine to find where the gibberich is I think that would be a way to find the problem. I do not know if that is possible.


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#214
November 20, 2009 at 18:31:47
Which win 98 screen? The one that says 'getting ready to run windows for the first time' or some other screen?

Did you reboot it? If so, what happened?

No, there's no practical way to compare your 98 files with another installation.

The gibberish I'm talking about is in the system.ini file. I've noticed it a few times. It's a text file but I've seen sometimes the last part of it is non-text nonsense. Other times it'll be missing the last part. I thought since it seemed to install when we renamed the .ini files then maybe one or more was corrupt and causing the SU error.

It's system.ini and another--win.ini--that we'd want to use the old versions of, if they're good. But first we've got to get it to get to the windows desktop.

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#215
November 20, 2009 at 18:55:14
The screen that has the wording Microsoft Windows98 and a colorful emblem above it is just sitting. Would that be the startup screen?
I reboot twice.

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#216
November 20, 2009 at 19:29:17
Probably the 98 splash screen. Sounds like it's doing the same thing as when we restored an earlier registry. Reboot and see what happens.

If it still does it, reboot and use F8 to get the boot menu and choose 'safe mode'.

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#217
November 20, 2009 at 19:39:01
Reboot from the floppy, cd or hard drive?

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#218
November 20, 2009 at 19:47:53
Hard drive.

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#219
November 20, 2009 at 20:00:57
I have done that before but I will do it again. That is where it is freezing up and still doing it at safe mode also.

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#220
November 20, 2009 at 20:10:02
I think this is the first time we restored the registry.

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#221
November 20, 2009 at 21:07:51
I am signing off.

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#222
November 20, 2009 at 21:36:48
You restored an older registry in 184. You copied win.com from another installation to c:\windows so it'd boot up in 188. Then it froze at the 98 screen in 190.

You apparently did a successful reinstall after renaming the .ini files but it froze again at the 98 screen in 205 to the present. That's why I said it seems to be doing the same thing as when we restored an earlier registry.

I can't think of anything else to do to get your original install in c:\windows going. As I mentioned in 200 it's probably best now to go back to booting to the c:\windows.002 setup, install the drivers and whatever additional software you need to work with the files you saved. The files--excel and whatever--should still be on the drive. You just need to install the programs to work with them.

Your other options are to remove the drive and attach it to another, working computer and work with the files there. Or take it to a shop where they can do a hands-on examination and maybe fix it.

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#223
November 21, 2009 at 08:33:09
If I remove the drive and attach it to a similar laptop top would I have the same problem or would it read all the programs normally

What if I did a recovery would I have access to all the programs?


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#224
November 21, 2009 at 12:10:49
I am trying the install to .002 and I think it will work. Why I think that is becuase the install is taking very much longer to complete than previous installation. I recall you said that it will not access the installed program but It feels good to be able to access "programs" and see what is there.

If it works and the program I am working on is a success you will be one of the first to know with an offer to use the service with a large credit. I will keep your contact email should this come to reality.

I want to thank you again for the time, effort and assistance to get the laptop up and running.

Val R.


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#225
November 21, 2009 at 13:36:39
If you attached the drive to another computer you would need to attach it as a slave or non-booting device and then use the OS that's already running on that computer to access the files.

There is no 'recovery' with 98 as there is with XP. If there was we would have tried it long ago.

I thought the windows.002 install was already OK so I wouldn't think you'd need to reinstall there but I guess it won't hurt anything. It'll be a fresh install so you won't have access to previously installed programs.

I was going to suggest you rename config.sys and autoexec.bat in case all the previous installs of 98 and other software had rewritten its entries causing it to load, or attempt to load, stuff from the wrong places. I don't hold out much hope for that but it won't hurt to try.

But first let us know how the windows.002 install goes.

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#226
November 21, 2009 at 16:08:20
Just finish and is at the desk top but the miniscreen. The programs are not accessible, it does go to "safe mode".

I guess that's it but i will keep on trying on my own because i have to get to those programs even if I have to take classes. LOL.


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#227
November 21, 2009 at 17:33:31
The miniscreen-look is because you need to install video drivers. I linked to them in # 153.

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#228
November 21, 2009 at 17:58:43
This XP had a cd burner and I used it one time and do not see it anymore. Must have deleted it by mistake or the progam i have removed it because it has not been used. I am not too concerned about that it can aloways be done later if this machine can be fixed.

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#229
November 23, 2009 at 13:29:02
Would like your opinion.

Since I have Win98 on both C:\windows and C:\Windows.002 if I were to delete the C:\windows.002 do you think I can still gain access to C:\windows?

Thanks


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#230
November 23, 2009 at 15:35:57
I wouldn't have thought both were running and the one with the latest date/time is the one you should keep. Right click each one and look in Properties.

However, I haven't been following this thread too closely so its probably best to see if DAVE pops back before you go deleting anything.

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#231
November 23, 2009 at 15:57:42
OMG! I would have bailed on this about 200 posts back. You've been at this for over 3 weeks! Why the heck don't you just wipe the HDD & start from scratch?

I gotta hand it to you DAVEINCAPS, I've never seen anyone with such patience!


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#232
November 23, 2009 at 17:58:51
Yeah Jam, I suggested that but the OP has his reasons.

moonriver
If DAVE doesn't pop back then here's a safer first step (before you consider folder deletion) which will give you some confidence:

Find the "C:WindowsXXX" variant with the earliest date.
In that folder rename the file win.com to win.old then reboot.
If it boots you will know that Windows was happy to boot from the other folder.

If it fails to boot, then you rename the file back from DOS:

Depending on which one you renamed, the command will either be:

Ren c:\windows.000\win.old win.com

or

Ren c:\windows\win.old win.com

Off to bed now (UK remember)....

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#233
November 23, 2009 at 18:13:48
Thanks guys. Yeah, it's been awhile on this one. I felt we were circling the drain for 100 posts or so.

The c:\windows is the original install. We tried the over-the-top reinstall there, as well as doing the registry restore, but it's freezing on the 98 spash screen in both cases..

Your c:\windows.002 is the working directory but it's a fresh install.

If you delete c:\windows.002 you'll be left with c:\windows which doesn't work.

As I suggested above you should install the necessary drivers--at least video and audio--to c:\windows.002 and then install whatever software you need to access the saved files.

The saved files are likely all in My Documents so it may be safe to delete c:\windows but you should keep it at least for a while in case it turns out there's something there you need.

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#234
November 23, 2009 at 21:20:45
Thanks all for your input they are very helpful.

To: Jam,

I would not blame you if you tried to help and bailed out at 200 post. DAVEINCAPS realize the validity of the information after i expalined. I am grateful to him for understning my situation and not giving up. I am satified that he did his best. I believe that someone is out there that can get this machine going. There is always someone more knowlegeable than the other and I will find them. Thanks for your thought.


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#235
November 24, 2009 at 05:05:00
"I would not blame you if you tried to help and bailed out at 200 post"

I think you misundertsood. I would have bailed out at response # 30. And I rarely recommend formatting & installing from scratch but in this case, it seems to be the best alternative. The file system is a complete mess with several installations of Windows in place (the original, .000, 001, .002).

I'm not gonna read the entire 230+ posts to find out exactly what's going on...I got into it about 30 deep & that was enough to know that you're just spinning your wheels. You've been at this almost a month now & it doesn't appear that you're any closer to a resolution than you were on day one.

What is SO important on this drive that it can't be wiped & Windows reinstalled from scratch?

Step-by-step install guides can be found here:

http://www.windowsreinstall.com/ind...


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#236
November 25, 2009 at 16:38:38
There is tax, accounting, documents, budget, mortgage, business and personal contacts going back to 1995. Does that sound like a reason in your opinion to try saving it?

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#237
November 26, 2009 at 04:34:21
Depending on the current state of the system, it might be possible to save all that stuff on a CD, Flash Drive, or USB HDD before format.

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#238
November 27, 2009 at 19:47:59
"There is tax, accounting, documents, budget, mortgage, business and personal contacts going back to 1995"

Obviously you don't back up your data.

Take the HDD out of the system, slave it to another & copy all of the data that you should have backed up a LONG time ago. Then return the HDD to the original system, wipe it & reinstall Windows.

Your original post was on 10/30, today is 11/27. Have you accomplished anything in the past month?


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#239
November 30, 2009 at 11:30:07
Derek

I do have flash drives that can take the complete programs but that is not my specialty and would not know how to do it or even transfer it back on the system or I would readily do it.


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#240
November 30, 2009 at 11:45:03
Jam I will see if I can find info on slaving it to another. If you mean another computer. I would not do that becase the next PC is my XP. Yes it know it is sort of old but why change if it is was working perfect. And I never backed up the lapttop but I do back up the XP. I keep two computer for problem like this. All pertinent information is kept on the laptop. XP is used specifically for the internet favorites of websites I might need in the future

The laptop is an excellent computer but I did something wrong that started this. I do not use the laptop o the internet but specifically for information that if there is disaster at my residence or nearby that I have to run home I can pick up the laptop and run like hell (laugh).

To your question did I ever back up the laptop. I tried with a flash drive but got a message that the there was not power to accomodate the device. That was 4 or 5 years ago.


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#241
November 30, 2009 at 12:16:48
Jam didn't mean you have to alter anything in your XP, but just to add the HDD from your problem machine. You should then see this as an extra drive (rather like a massive floppy disk). You can then backup stuff off it into an empty folder on your XP's HDD - assuming you haven't got it fully backed up already.

After you restore the HDD to the problem machine and wipe and re-install W98, you can then copy your personal stuff back over using a CD-R or whatever. You can't copy "programs" (unless they are "very" simple ones) because they have to be properly re-installed. You will also need to collect the appropriate drivers so that everything runs properly (sound/video/display etc).

If you don't want to open up your XP machine you can get yourself a cheap HD enclosure (caddy), temporarily pop your old HDD inside it, then plug it into a USB socket and achieve exactly the same thing as above.

I realise none of this is your preferred option but as I said before I think the W98 is so screwed-up that you could fiddle with it for another 300 posts and still never get there. There is only so far you can go in dealing with your present situation from afar and I reckon we've about run out of steam now. A nice clean load is what you need but initially it will just be W98 and not much else.

If you should decide to go this way I would start a new W98 post if you need any help. This present thread has got far too unweildy.

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#242
November 30, 2009 at 17:02:41
I'd mentioned (somewhere above) the possibility of attaching the drive to another PC either as slave or externally but that didn't seem to go anywhere either.

If the laptop can't power a flash drive you can always use a powered hub and attach it there. The other problem with a flash drive is finding 98 drivers for it.

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#243
November 30, 2009 at 22:22:28
Thanks very much to all.

What if I get another machine.and load the programs would I be able to transfer the data from the old maching on the newly purchased machine?


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#244
November 30, 2009 at 22:50:52
IBM T22 Thinkpad Laptop Notebook - Intel 900 Mhz DVD.

IF POST 243 IS POSSIBLE WHAT IS YOUR KNOWLEGE OF THE ABOVE. I ONLY NEED A LAPTOP TO TRANSFER THESE PROGRAMS. HOPEFULLY THIS IS POSSIBLE IT CAN ALSO ACCOMODATE A FLASH DRIVE.


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#245
November 30, 2009 at 22:56:16
HOPE YOU ALL HAD AN ENJOYABLE FAMILY THANKS GIVING.

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#246
December 1, 2009 at 00:41:42
Forget replying about the Thinkpad. Possibly a Compaq XP operating system in mind.

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#247
December 1, 2009 at 03:09:20
You can only transfer your own data, programs would have to be re-installed on the new machine (assuming they are compatible with XP).

I have found XP pretty good at running old W98 programs but there can always be exceptions.

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#248
December 1, 2009 at 12:03:22
Yeah, you can transfer your data to any other computer with whatever removable media (such as flash drives, CD-R, even floppies) you have available. But the problem with USB devices is going to be 98 drivers.

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#249
December 1, 2009 at 12:48:00
DAVEINCAPS

I do have the win95 and win98se upgrade. Will that help?


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#250
December 1, 2009 at 12:49:50
Derek

I did load 2000 program on my XP and they wor beutifully.


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#251
December 1, 2009 at 16:31:29
For most flash drives you need at least 98 SE. If you already have that installed then the updates aren't necessary. The drivers would come from the flash drive manufacturer.

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#252
December 1, 2009 at 21:19:07
Referencing #248

If I can transfer to floppy or CD-R. I would do that. Format the drive, reload the programs and then transfer back the data if that can work. I cannot use the flash drive because I tried before and got a message not sufficient power. I do not know what power it is referring to.


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#253
December 2, 2009 at 01:16:55
I imagine it is referring to USB power.

The main thing is to get your stuff safely backed up on the other machine, then it's a case of how to get it across later.

There is a vague possibility that the Flash Drive error message is incorrect, so it might not happen after a clean install (once you get it a suitable driver).

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#254
December 2, 2009 at 02:50:46
Yes,you can backup your data by write it on cd or dvd or you also get it on pendrive or USB hard disk.If you get installed files in backup,ten it will not work again.You have to reinstall it.

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#255
December 2, 2009 at 14:32:53
DAVEINCAPS

I tiook the machine to a repair shop waling distace from my home wh tld me my HD is bad becuase of noise when starting up. From the information and description I have given you in starts etc do you think the HD is bad.

I personally do not think it is bad from what I have seen in starts. I feel that they want to replace the HD to make the job easier and quicker. what do you think?


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#256
December 2, 2009 at 16:21:22
A bad HDD can cause various problems but I don't think anyone can really answer that question because we have no idea what it sounds like. If it's a fairly loud ticking noise then it it could be the HDD. Try running Scandisk from the DOS prompt. If that runs through OK then it proves it is running OK (for now at least).

It might be possible to get a diagnostic program from the HDD manufacturer which runs from a floppy but a lot of them these days run from within Windows.

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#257
December 2, 2009 at 16:29:29
It would depend on what kind of 'noise' they're talking about. When you first start it up there might be a slight whining noise as the bearings spin up and as it boots into windows there's going to be some 'clattering' as the drive is accessed and read. Anything beyond that is suspect. But unless the 'noise' is in some way overbearing then they can't go by just that.

They can run a diagnostic on the drive and reliably determine what shape it's in.

Yeah, it might be bad but from what you've posted it's not obviously so.

As long as they're competent they could replace the drive and copy everything over to the new one and install whatever drivers and software you need.

But my advice is what I've said above. You apparently have a working 98 installation in the windows.002 directory. Install the video and audio drivers I linked to somewhere above. Then look around for an external drive--either a flash drive or hard drive--that has windows 98 drivers. That way you can copy off your data and use it on another PC, if necessary.

Or you can install Excel and whatever other software you need on the compaq and use the data files there.

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#258
December 2, 2009 at 16:36:22
And as far as the power message when attemping to us a flash drive, as I mentioned in 242 just use an external power USB hub for that. Or maybe you need a different model. Remember it must have 98 drivers available.

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#259
December 2, 2009 at 16:55:44
There are so many posts to wade through I find it hard to know if Windows is booting up right now or not. If it's booting (using c:\windows.002 or whatever) but with poor graphics then really the problem has already been solved, subject to getting the drivers. In which case why don't you follow DAVEINCAPS advice?

For what it's worth my gut feeling is the same as DAVE's - that it is not the HDD.

Wish I could see the durned thing - if only to find out what exactly it is that you call a "mini screen".

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#260
December 2, 2009 at 20:01:30
Derek

The screen I describe as miniscreen it when you first start up and ust the safe mode. Whenenever it boots up afer ater loading win98 it is at the desktop screen but not a full scree. It stops at the size of safe mode screen. I call that the miniscreen because I do not know the technical description for it. If it goes as far as the deskstop and then freezes I am of the assumption that the HDD is good. Hope mins-screen is now clear.


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#261
December 2, 2009 at 20:08:12
DAVEINCAPS

I have come to the conclusion from all the information received from you gentlemen that I should get an external drive depending on the cost. If you can tell me what external drive is appropriate and compatible for the laptop Compaq Armada 7400 I wil proceed on my decision. I will search in the meantime unil I hear from you.


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#262
December 2, 2009 at 20:12:04
Wait a minute I cannot do that because the laptop does not function so that I can do a transfer, right?

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#263
December 2, 2009 at 20:19:27
Derek Ref respons 260

The machine boots up only if I load win98se from C:\windows. Not to full desktop screen.


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#264
December 2, 2009 at 20:32:55
If it's booting to the desktop and you can use the mouse to open things then it should be working OK, except for the drivers. An external drive will work if it's compatible with 98 and has 98 drivers.

If it's not booting to a workable desktop then no, you can't set up an external drive.

You likely have USB 1.1 so it'd need to work with that. I don't have any recommendations as I haven't had occasion to use them.

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#265
December 2, 2009 at 20:47:29
DAVEINCAPS Response 25

They said there is noise that indicate the drive is bad but when I listen I hear nothing that would indicate a bad drive.

Yes they said that is what they would do copy from one and tranfer to the new drive. i do not want to discard a good drive because they want easier repair.

I do not know how to install the video if you can send me the steps to do so.

I do have flash drive but the machind has no power to use it as I mentiond before.

What do you mean an external driver that has windows98 drivers. Are they sold with 98 drivers.

I am ready to do something and would like to know how would i copy to the XP from the laptop without creating
problems with the XP and tranfer back to the the laptop. Would the laptop bootup normally again? It think this is what I would like to do if it is possible.


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#266
December 2, 2009 at 20:58:23
The driver download links and likely install method are in # 153. There may also be install instructions on the download page.

Again, if your USB port won't power a flash drive then buy a powered USB hub.

An external drive that works with 98 will either have the drivers included or they will be available for download on the manufacturer's site.

If the shop can guarantee they won't lose your data it may be cheaper to let them replace the drive. The cost of a new drive will probably be insignificant compared to their labor and any software they will charge you for.

Onward to 300


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#267
December 2, 2009 at 21:05:14
Well, maybe not cheaper. But if you're inclined to let them do it, don't let the cost of the hard drive stop you.

Onward to 300


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#268
December 3, 2009 at 01:38:49
Is the desktop you get from a normal boot like the safe mode screen in size and quality but without the words "Safe Mode" in each corner? If so, then all you need are the video drivers. You then adjust the settings (assuming you cannot do that now).

Re #264. I don't understand how you are selecting where you boot from (eg c:\windows as opposed to somewhere else).

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#269
December 3, 2009 at 11:02:20
DAVEINCAPS

I do not know what a powered USB Hub is. For all I know I may have one. Transferring data to a flash drive will the flash drive be in the laptop or the XP. If the XP I will try that since I will not have to deall wiht the HDD.

To buy a new HDD will be my last resort after I have exhausted my options. I just need to be satisfied I've hit a brick wall and I am very near that.



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#270
December 3, 2009 at 11:33:37
Derek

Yes. that is the screen i am getting. That is when i do an install of win98se from C:\window\setup98 it would go there and freeze. Using that code it goes to the C:\windows directory automatically therefore i do not select "Other Directory". DAVEINCAPS have already stated I need the videos. I will go now and try to do that if I can. Do not know how I will do that so I will go back to Daveincaps information, read up on that, get back to the desktop mini page and try to fix the videos. If that do not work I will have hit a brick wall and i will take DAVINCAPS suggestion and purchase the HHD and have it done.


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#271
December 3, 2009 at 11:57:32
You can check the booting directory by opening an MS DOS PROMPT window and seeing what the prompt there is. If it's c:\windows.002> then that's the booting directory. The 'install from' directory (C:\windows\setup98) is irrelevent.

About the shop fixing it. We kinda doubt the hard drive is bad but if the only way to get the shop to fix it is to also let them replace the drive then you should probably do that. Just don't let them talk you into some expensive high capacity drive.

A powered USB hub is something like this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...

It has an AC adapter to plug into a wall socket so it doesn't get its power from the laptop. It has one USB cable connecting the hub to the laptop and the hub itself has several USB ports to accomodate more than one USB peripheral. The link above is for a USB 2.0. You'd probably only need USB 1.1 but 2.0 should work too.

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#272
December 3, 2009 at 13:57:00
Forgive me for the intrusion. My post here is #273. At the rate this thread is being updated I think this may surpass our longest thread with 330 posts at present time. Keep it going :-)

i_Xp/Vista/W7User


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#273
December 3, 2009 at 14:06:40
Just to amplify a point in #272. I think DAVEINCAPS meant to "Shut down and restart in MS-DOS", which you access from the Windows screen Start button. This, as he advised, will default to the directory (folder) you are booting from. I think this is well worth doing because we will then know for certain exactly where you stand. As a point of detail, you can restart Windows again from there by typing Exit.

[This is different from going to DOS from either the Setup Screen or using a boot disk. These will take you to the C:\ prompt].

Installing the drivers is not difficult, once you have got the right ones. I'm sure we can assist if necessary. The screen you are getting is quite normal when you are using the very basic inbuilt W98 drivers - which is what Safe Mode uses. In fact it seems as if you are actually up and running, which is good news and confirms what DAVE thought.

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#274
December 3, 2009 at 18:13:01
The USB 2.0 hub I linked to above may not work with USB 1.1 as the description says it runs at 12 mhz. Might be best to stick with something like this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...

if you were considering getting one.

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#275
December 3, 2009 at 23:28:04
DAVEINCAPS Ref: 275
I have a FARGUS Model PA055 USB 4 ports and power adapter.

Ref 272
I had checked that already depending on what I use. floppy or cd. Unig floppy it will go to the a:\ prompt, using cd it will go to c:\windows.

No they have not Tried to induce me into any such high capacity HDD, you are referring to GB? I have already lined up a hard drive 20BG should I decide to go that route. Like I said I do not want to discard a good hard drive.

What is the "Onward to 300"?


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#276
December 3, 2009 at 23:39:19
Derek

Please clarify first paragraph. Shut down and restart in MS Dos. Would that be with a floppy, cd. or none of the above?


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#277
December 3, 2009 at 23:57:02
'Onward to 300' is just my humorous way of saying that's where we're headed. Thus far the longest thread I think I've participated in was exactly 300.

'Restart in msdos mode' is one of the options you get when going to START--SHUT DOWN. Doing that shuts down windows but leaves you at a dos prompt in the windows directory. You don't use a floppy or cd to do that, you just choose that option from the shutdown menu.

Usually you get the same prompt when opening an msdos window in a windows session but Derek's right as that prompt can be directed to a different directory.

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#278
December 4, 2009 at 01:25:34
DAVEINCAPS
Sorry my questionwas not clear.

DAVEINCAPS Ref: 275
I have a FARGUS Model PA055 USB 4 ports and power adapter.

Ref 272
I had checked that already depending if the floppy or cd is in the drive.

I cannot use START or SHUT DOWN unless I do an install from the C:\windows\setup98 and that will take me to desktop downsized normal screen. Inserting the floppy and do a restart will take me to the a:\ prompt, inserting the cd and do a restart will take me to c:\ prompt. When you say restart in MS DOS you mean no floppy or cd in the drive and it will take me to what ever drive the computer is using? I am certain it is not using .002 as the drive.

When you say SHUTDOWN and RESTART IN MS DOS are two steps. I think you mean SHUT DOWN and it will restart in MS DOS, the primary directory? Sorry for being so dull with specifics. I cannot do a SHUT DOWN. When I do a POWER ON it goes to the flash screen and stop or freezes. That is the screen wiht the MS pic logo and the words "MS Windows 98" Is that what it is called "flash screen" so I cand be more specific next time.

What about the USB that I have can we use it to detemine if it will work and do the transfer without any further problems?


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#279
December 4, 2009 at 10:48:58
Oh, I thought you had got to the situation where you could simply boot to Windows normally (with a rather unsatisfactory screen requiring video drivers). You would then shut down using the "Re-start in MS-DOS" option, which takes you to the Windows directory (DOS) that the system is using.

I am not suggesting you use setup, floppy's or CD's. If you still can't do a normal boot to Windows then I'm obviously unclear about where we stand with your situation. In which case maybe DAVEINCAPS had something else in mind so forget my #274 - I would hate to add any more confusion to the issue.

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#280
December 4, 2009 at 11:52:15
DereK
I can only get to the downsized desktop screen if I do the cd win98 install. That is the only time it will go the c:\windows for the installation. When I do power on it goes to the flash screen and stays there.

Right now I am ready to do the transfer if we can use the USB in 279.


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#281
December 4, 2009 at 14:17:05
If you're not getting to a normal windows desktop--the kind you have after you install windows--I don't think we'll be able to transfer anything to a flash drive. You have to have windows 98 drivers for the flash drive and you can't install those drivers if you're not booting to the 98 desktop.

For the last 100 or so posts I assumed you were getting to the mini-screen/safe mode-looking desktop and all you needed was drivers. I thought the c:\windows.002 install was working and it was freezing when we tried to install to the original c:\window directory.

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#282
December 4, 2009 at 17:34:38
Oooer. That's about how I saw it....

Any ideas DAVEINCAPS? Rather than start another 100 or so posts it seems to me that we try to backup (somehow), then reformat, re-install. That's assuming there is a W98 CD available and the necessary drivers can be downloaded onto the other machine before we start.

some other bloke...


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#283
December 4, 2009 at 18:08:29
I know one of the installs was set to windows.002 because that's what the msdos.sys file had. Then it seems like we edited that back to just windows to do the registry restore. If it's still that way then maybe changing msdos.sys back to windows.002 will work, if it was successfully booting from there after the install. If so then installing the drivers and setting up a flash drive might work.

But if it never was booting to a desktop in any of the install attempts the only thing I can think of would be to set up a bootdisk to get dos USB and flash drive support. But that's so iffy and trial-and-error I don't really want to try it.

So if it never got to a desktop I'm ready to give up. Best to take it to the shop. It wouldn't be much of a problem if saving the data wasn't a necessity.

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#284
December 4, 2009 at 19:37:33
Derek: Post 283
That is were I thought we were going.

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#285
December 4, 2009 at 19:40:11
DAVEINCAPS;

I though we were headed toward a re-format, re-install.


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#286
December 4, 2009 at 20:13:42
Well, sure, but I thought you wanted to save the data on the drive. Reformat/reinstall is easy. Saving your data first, especially under the existing circumstances, is hard.

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#287
December 4, 2009 at 21:47:55
Yes I want to save the data if we can. But if it will be difficult to do I will go with taking it to the repair shop.

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#288
December 4, 2009 at 21:47:55
Yes I want to save the data if we can. But if it will be difficult to do I will go with taking it to the repair shop.

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#289
December 4, 2009 at 21:56:13
In all the previous installation attempts, did it ever successfully boot to the desktop afterwards? That is, did the screen show the My Computer and My Documents icons and the Start button in the lower left corner?

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#290
December 5, 2009 at 08:04:50
Yes, when I do the install cd win98se install from c:\windows\setup98 but only appear in the downsized screen that I describe as mini-screen.

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#291
December 5, 2009 at 10:59:03
I've been confused before so, you definately did get a desktop screen with the My Computer and My Documents icons and the Start button after at least some previous installation attempts?

If YES, then we can edit the msdos.sys file back to load from c:\windows.002 (which should be a good install) and install drivers and go from there.

If NO, then you should take it to the shop.

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#292
December 5, 2009 at 14:16:52
I see now.


This is where they put the lost posts.

Playing to the angels
Les Paul (1915-2009)


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#293
December 5, 2009 at 15:39:58
moonriver

FYI, you can add to a previous post instead of posting 2 or 3 posts in a row. Look at the edit icon in the upper right corner. Click on it to get the editing screen.


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#294
December 5, 2009 at 20:26:13
Otherhill

That was an error. Was not intentional. If you notice it was the smae message and I could not delete it. Forum should have deleted it.


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#295
December 5, 2009 at 21:36:23
DAVEINCAPS

Yes but remember it is not the full size screen and it goes to c:\window. The directory 002 is not an option anymore. See Ref: 208 about Normal Screen Start up.

tme see if I can be more specific and clear up your cofusion.

With CD win98se Power on will end at the c:\ prompt.

If I type cd setup98 enter
I now have c:\setup98
I now type setup enter

I get "To contine. press ENTER. To quit Setup, press ESC.

I choose ENTER

To goes to the screen "Microsoft Scandisk' and I wait for it to comptete the process. I scans the registry and opes a new screen "Windows 98 Setup" this is the screes for the new installation but it is the downsize screen It has two buttons
"Continue" "Exit Setup"
I clik "Continue" and get new screen "Select Directory"
C:\Windows
Other Directory
I select C:\windows
and Enter
New scree: Screen Preparing Directory
New scree: Establishing Location
I select United States
new screen for Start up Disk
I selecet "Cancel" for now start up disk
Widows is now copying files
When it initially came up with the C:\windows directory for installation the Desktop screen with My Computer and My Documents icons came up but now it does not come up anymore when I do additional installs it freezes at the MS Windows98.

New screen to Register copy of Win98.

New screen "Computer"
Freeze at MS Windows98 screen wiht reading at the bottom "Getting ready to run Windows for the first time".
The first wim to load at C:wondows it went to a desktop downsize screen wth My compute and My Documents. screen

Restarting with the floppy it ends with the A:\> prompt.

Hope it clears up the confusion

To get the desktop screen again I may have to install to a new directory.


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#296
December 5, 2009 at 22:37:58
Doesn't really clear anything up. I was just trying to find out if there's a successful install hiding somewhere on the drive that we can boot from and install drivers.

But yes, if you're unsure you can do the installation again and install to a new directory.

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#297
December 6, 2009 at 01:02:53
It was booting up to the desktop at one time but I think you did not realize or understood what I was saying because it was when you did not understand what the miniscreen was.

It now goes to C:\windows directory to install.

If I install to a new directory will it save all data?


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#298
December 6, 2009 at 20:15:04
The data will be there unless the folder containing it is deleted. Installing windows won't delete it. A lot of the data (hopefully all of it) will be in My Documents.

If you do get a successful install and we get a flash drive set up you can copy the My Documents folder to the flash drive. Then maybe look around on the c: drive and see if other software you're using has put its files elsewhere.

Make sure the install is to a new directory. I don't know why it's defaulting to c:\windows, unless you deleted that directory. You can name the directory anything. Well, it should be 8 letters or less. How about C:\DAVE?

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#299
December 7, 2009 at 14:11:25
I did
"ren c:\windows dave " is that correct or was it "c:\windows c:\dave".

From here if we can move on to transferring data to the flash drive I would like to do it.
Remember I have the Fargus flash drive with the power adapter.


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#300
December 7, 2009 at 14:37:19
OMG. Unless I have misunderstood I think DAVEINCAPS meant you to "install" W98 to c:\dave (or whatever - just a different name).

What I think you have done is renamed your existing folder c:\windows to c:\dave (assuming it let you). In which case the way to set it back again is:
"ren c:\dave windows"

Anyhow, better wait to see if DAVEINCAPS agrees because he is way deeper into this whole debacle than I am. Best to get advice before entering any DOS commands - I'd hate to see matters made even worse.

some other bloke...


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#301
December 7, 2009 at 18:15:37
I am not going to even attempt to follow this entire 300+ thread. I will suggest you use a live version of Linux to copy whatever data you need to save and get on with the re-installation.

Knoppix should work fine for you. The issue of where to copy may be a problem. I don't know.


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#302
December 7, 2009 at 18:31:07
Derek: Opps I did it the way I understood it. Unless it is very clear I will make mistake. But thanks I hope that is what he meant othersise I will rename it back as you suggested and do the reinstall per Dave's instructions..

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#303
December 7, 2009 at 20:07:59
Yeah, calling it c:\dave was just my way of reinforcing the statement that you can name the install directory anything you want. Again, better to have 8 letters or less else the dos name will have the ~1 as the last 2 letters. And make sure you use a name that you haven't used before so it'll go in a new one directory.

Also you can't rename the directory after the install and have it work right. Of course, in this case you renamed a non-working directory so that doesn't matter. But just so you know.

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#304
December 7, 2009 at 22:20:17
When was I supposted to change the directory name to a new name before I start the install or when the install is in process and it get to where it as for the directy to install in that I select "Other directory" and give it a new name at that time.

You want to give me the instruction for tranferring the data to the flash drive at this time and the videos downloads as well?


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#305
December 7, 2009 at 22:40:15
Yeah, when you select 'other directory'.

We'll have to find 98 drivers for your flash drive before we worry about transferring any data. I have a feeling they may be hard to find.

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#306
December 7, 2009 at 23:11:16
I linked to the video and audio drivers in # 153 with instructions to install (as best I can do without actually downloading and extracting them myself).

Oh, and what's the exact model number of your flash drive?

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#307
December 8, 2009 at 12:40:35
Flash drive info at # 278.

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#308
December 8, 2009 at 14:21:33
If you can't get the flash drive to work, consider post 301 (Knoppix Live CD).

I happen to use "Puppy Linux" Live CD. You download it on your working machine then burn it onto a CD using "Burn ISO Image feature".

You boot your W98 machine with the CD in the drive and Linux runs - it doesn't use Windows at all. This allows you to browse your HD and copy whatever you wish onto a Flash Drive.

A Linux LIve CD is a very useful tool to have anyhow and will run on almost any machine.

some other bloke...


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#309
December 8, 2009 at 14:30:05
39 days since the original post & still no end in site!

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#310
December 8, 2009 at 16:45:39
The Targus/Fargus is a 4-port powered USB hub and not a flash drive. It's what you'd plug the flash drive into.

I haven't used linux but if it contains the necessary flash drive drivers then that may be the way to go. That way you wouldn't have to install anything or hunt down drivers.

You'd just need to make sure to set the cdrom as the first boot device. Seems like we had some question about that early on.

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#311
December 8, 2009 at 17:26:30
Dave

In #271 yu stated what a hub is and the Fargus is a 4 port HUB as I mentioned in #278. Can I use that to accomodate the flash drive to transfer the data so we can go ahead?

Maybe i can use Linux but how do I use it if a cannot get on the Internet?


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#312
December 8, 2009 at 17:43:36
Because of the apparent error you got indicating the laptop couldn't power the flash drive I suggested a powered USB hub. So you plug the hub USB cable into the laptop and then the flash drive into the hub. So the flash drive gets its power from the hub and not the laptop.

I doubt the hub needs any drivers but what you plug into it will. Therefore we need to know what the model number of the flash drive is.

Unless you want to try the linux solution. . .

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#313
December 8, 2009 at 17:51:57
This is ridiculous, I can't believe this post has gone on so long. Ha Ha.

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#314
December 8, 2009 at 18:10:27
Just for info, I've used Puppy Linux on W98SE and it picked up the flash drive fine, using the drivers on the CD. No doubt Knoppix is about the same, better for all I know. It's just that I haven't personally used that particular one.

I'm not sure whether we established that this was W98FE and I suppose this could make a difference to the Linux USB flash drive situation - not sure. There's not much to lose by giving it a whirl though - it will either work or it won't.

some other bloke...


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#315
December 8, 2009 at 18:35:01
I'm hoping if it boots to linux via cd the OS on the hard drive is irrelevent.

But I think we were working with SE. If not, the 98 solution I'd been going for isn't likely to work since flash drives seem to always need at least SE.

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#316
December 9, 2009 at 17:59:00
DAVEIN CAPS

Model number for Powered HUB was also state4d in #278.
So are we going to use the HUB. Send me the intructions and I will go ahead by transferring the data and do the format.

I do not have a Linux to use. The 98 I have is SE.


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#317
December 9, 2009 at 18:35:15
No, no, it's not the powered hub that matters. It's the flash drive that plugs into it. That what we need info on if we continue with 98.

About linux, you'd download the file--probably an ISO (cd image file)--and then create the linux disk on a working computer with a burner.

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#318
December 9, 2009 at 18:52:27
It is TRANSEND JFV10 or D33193

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#319
December 9, 2009 at 18:53:55
OK, I didn't mean the hub doesn't matter. I meant we don't need drivers for it. We need drivers for the flash drive that plugs into it.

To do this with 98 we need to:

1) Install 98 to a new directory--an install that results in it booting to the normal desktop with the My Computer and My Documents icons.

2) Find and install driver for the flash drive so 98 will see the flash drive.

You may also need to install the video and audio drivers I linked to in 153. It's possible the flash drivers will want at least video installed for them to work.

We can't just plug in the hub and magically transfer files.

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#320
December 9, 2009 at 19:07:19
Here's the 98 driver download page:

http://www.transcendusa.com/Support...

Go down to Driver/Firmware and click on 'win98 driver'. Download it and unzip it on a computer with a cd burner. If you're on an XP computer you can probably just double click the downloaded file and start the extraction. There will probably be several file that will extract. Extract it to an empty folder as you'll want to burn them all to a cd.

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#321
December 9, 2009 at 19:18:13
I downloaded the file and unzipped it. It's a single 4 meg file just called 'setup.exe'. So you'll want to burn that single file to a cd.

Edit Then after you get 98 successfully installed you put the burned cd with the 'setup.exe' on it into the laptop's cdrom and double click on that file and hopefully the drivers will install.

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#322
December 9, 2009 at 19:30:32
Ooops. My XP do not show a burner anymore .

DAVEINCAPS: I completed the install and I have the normal screen but in the downsized mode. Should I go ahead and reload the programs before we try the transfer?


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#323
December 10, 2009 at 09:07:55
Got the CD bur downloaded to XP computer. File is on writer CD. However #321 is not clear. How will I doulbe clik on the file. I have the downsized normal sceen in place. Don't I have to use the RUN box. Remember I am not wise in computer specifics and can only go forward with specific instruction or I will screw up as I did in renameing the directry "Dave" LOL. I changed that back to previous name.

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#324
December 10, 2009 at 11:42:32
After you put the burned cd in the laptop you can go to START--RUN and browse to, or type in, the location of the flash driver file. Or you can open 'My Computer', open the cdrom icon there and double click on the flash driver file.

That's AFTER you unzip the download. The SETUP.EXE file that is the flash driver file is compressed within the file you downloaded. You should unzip on the XP or working computer because XP will unzip a file on it's own. With 98 you need to install winzip or similar utility first.

So I'm not sure where you're at. But the sequence is:

Download file
Unzip fle
Burn unzipped file to cd
Put burned cd in compaq laptop and run as mentioned in 1st paragraph above.

And what do you mean by 'reload the programs'? What programs?

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#325
December 10, 2009 at 14:39:51
DAVEINCAPS

I guess I'd like you to PM me your email address. You never know, one day I might find myself dangling from a helicopter over a burning volcano, with the wire caught around my neck, the 'copter out of gas and an army of vipers crawling up inside my trouser legs.

I feel sure you would give me step by step instructions, rather than suggest I just cut the wire. YOU ARE A 'STAR' and I mean that sincerely.

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#326
December 10, 2009 at 14:44:59
Derek, I think DAVE is hanging in there trying to take the record for the longest thread, LOL.

Current status, 325 to 341 for the other one.


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#327
December 10, 2009 at 16:39:21
DAVEINCAPS: Reload Programs already on the laptop into the new directory so I can access it.

Otherhill:

Not true he was going to quit earlier but I kept on asking questions. And as nice as he is responded. That is why he is liked by most. I cannot understand why these post would concern anyone.

Derek:
If anything I can read between the lines.


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#328
December 10, 2009 at 16:46:41
moonriver

This thread doesn't bother us. I was teasing DAVEINCAPS.

You should really download and use Knoppix. You don't install it. Knoppix installs to and boots from one CDR or DVDR. It can configure all your hardware and you can copy your personal file to whatever media is connected or can go over a network.

If interested I can post a link for the download. Be aware you will need a fast internet connection and a computer with a burner and burning software.

The other option is that you can buy a pre-made CDR for about $4. You just set your CD to boot first and knoppix starts pretty easy to use too.


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#329
December 10, 2009 at 17:11:38
Othehil:

I have a burner now. But I might take this to the repair shop. If I was well versed in computer terminology I could have wrapped this up long time ago.

DAVEINCAPS:
Laptop cannot find the D:\ with the file. D:\is ot accessible however it see the win98SE in the drive.

I have taken up too much of your time and my works is simply growing. You are indeed a STAR as Derek put it. I want to thank you very much and all who have participated in giving their time in my time of need. I think it is time that I take it to the repair shop.

You all have a very Merry Charistmas and splendid New Year.


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#330
December 10, 2009 at 17:27:34
DAVEINCAPS

Sorry if I stepped on your toes here. You now have the second longest thread at CN. 330 vs 341 and counting.


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#331
December 10, 2009 at 18:19:40
I don't think the other thread spanned 40 days (& counting) though, so he set a different kind of record...lol

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#332
December 10, 2009 at 19:28:21
Thanks everyone. I probably should have recommended the linux solution but got stuck on the reinstall 98 route with all its dead ends.

Moonriver, if the cdrom in the laptop doesn't see the cd then either the cd wasn't recorded right, or the recording session wasn't closed. But yeah, it's probably best to take it to the shop. Even if you get those drivers installed and the flash drive works with the hub OK it's still possible the files will be hard to locate. Let us know if they get things fixed for you.

I'd recommend they remove the drive and attach it to a 2.5"/3.5" adapter and slave it to a working XP (or similar)desktop. Then have the necessary software--Excel or whatever--installed on the XP. The laptop drive with all the original files could be a data drive and the XP the working drive.

OtheHill, it's hard to believe there could be a longer one than this.

Derek, your situation about the helicopter above the volcano reminds me of an old joke about a guy interviewing for a job as a railroad switchman:

"Now, sir. You've applied for a job as a switchman. What would you do if you saw two trains approching each other on the same track?"
"I'd throw the lever and switch one onto another track."
"And if the lever was jammed?"
"I'd turn the signals to red by hand."
"And if the signals were jammed?"
"I'd grab a red flag and run out on the track."
"And if the engineers didn't see you?"
"I'd send for my sister."
"Your sister? What could she do?"
"Nothing. She just loves to watch train wrecks."

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#333
December 10, 2009 at 19:33:55
DAVEINCAPS

This is the longer thread.

http://www.computing.net/answers/th...


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#334
December 10, 2009 at 23:12:11
But should the lounge really count? Maybe we should debate that for oh, I don't know, 8 or 9 posts?

"It was far easier for you as civilized men to behave like barbarians
than it was for them as barbarians to behave like civilized men."


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#335
December 11, 2009 at 05:58:20
When I see "moonriver", I can't help but think of the scene in the movie "Fletch" when Chevy Chase gets a prostate exam...lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBsI...


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#336
December 11, 2009 at 13:00:08
DAVEINCAPS

I will definately let you know if they get it fixed. I forgot to mention that while doing a search for a hard drive I found an axact laptop with all the software I have on mine but operating system is XP. Thing is I do not have XP installation disk as I do the 98 and the technical knowledge needed is currrently my problem so I guess I was not excited about purchasing it.

Againthanks for all your help and time have a good Xmas.


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#337
December 11, 2009 at 14:09:48
You're welcome. As far as the XP laptop; possibly they created a restore partition and you wouldn't need the disk for a possible future install. Or, if they put a burner in it I believe there's a way to make your own restore disk.

"It was far easier for you as civilized men to behave like barbarians
than it was for them as barbarians to behave like civilized men."


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#338
December 18, 2009 at 18:44:49
DAVEINCAPS

Laptop is up and running. HDD was not bad after all. Thanks for help to all.


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#339
December 18, 2009 at 20:07:59
You're welcome. So the shop got 98 reinstalled or did they fix the original?

"It was far easier for you as civilized men to behave like barbarians
than it was for them as barbarians to behave like civilized men."


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#340
January 15, 2010 at 15:32:24
They fixed and now have the original screen. I did not get the Excel data even after reinstalling Works softward that has the program..

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#341
January 15, 2010 at 17:19:11
You might want to check back with them and see what they did. The whole point of all this was to save your data. They may have reformatted, in which case it's all been lost, or maybe they copied it all to a different folder and it's still there somewhere.

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


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#342
January 23, 2010 at 10:14:21
I will check with them and find out what they did.what they did.

Can you tell me if the following Gateway is a good decision to buy in todays tech?

Features and Benefits
Gateway MD7818U 15.6" Laptop C2D 2GHz 4GB 500GB DVDRW WiFi

Intel Centrino Duo technology
Intel Core 2 Duo T6400 2.0 GHz CPU
4 GB PC2-5300 DDR2 SDRAM (supports up to 4 GB)
500 GB Serial ATA hard drive
DVDRW DL Labelflash drive
Mobile Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD
High Definition Audio - 2 channel w/built-in speakers
56k ITU V.92 ready Fax/Modem
Integrated 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet
Intel WiFi 5100 Link (802.11a/g/n)
Built-in 1.3 megapixel webcam and microphone
Built-in 5-in-1 digital media card reader
Black polished keyboard with illuminated multimedia touch controls
15.6-inch High-Definition Ultrabright WXGA TFT LCD (1366 x 768)

Supported Media:
Secure Digital (SD)
Memory Stick (MS)
Memory Stick Pro (MS PRO)
MultiMedia Card (MMC)
xD-Picture Card (xD)

Expansion Slots:
One (1) ExpressCard/54 slot

I/O Ports:
Four (4) USB 2.0
One (1) HDMI
One (1) 15-pin VGA
One (1) RJ-11 Modem jack
One (1) RJ-45 Ethernet jack
One (1) Microphone jack
Two (2) Headphone jacks


This item is in the original box.



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#343
January 23, 2010 at 17:10:37
It certainly looks like a nice one. Used, new, rebuilt? You're going to want Vista or windows 7 on it.

I'm not the best judge of comparing one system with another. You may want to start a new thread in the hardware forum and see what others have to say about it.

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


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