Running a 64-bit on a 32-bit OS & Using System Protection

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April 30, 2014 at 23:16:00
Specs: WIndows Vista Home Premium, 2GB
Hi

I have a Fujitsu Siemens Scaleo L Intel Pentium Dual Core E2160 CPU 64bit Desktop Computer running Windows Vista Home Premium which I've had since 2008. In early February 2014, I started having problems with this system and my first post here was dated February 9th, followed by subsequent posts in an attempt to try to resolve the Hardware issues I was experiencing at that time and my final post here on this issue which I ticked as Solved on April 4th concluded that the Microstar MS - 7504 Version 1:0 (N1966) Motherboard had burnt out along with the Intel Pentium Dual Core E2160 CPU simultaneously. You can refer to my previous 2014 posts here regarding this system issue if you need them for reference.

A couple of days ago, I plugged the HDD Sata from my original Fujitsu Siemens Scaleo L model Desktop Computer (which has 2 Partitions C+D) into a Fujitsu Siemens Scaleo P 32bit Desktop Computer and on boot up it showed 2 operating systems as normal Microsoft Windows Vista and Start Puppy Linux (which I installed in February 2014) but after 1 or 2 seconds, the system reboots itself. There is a quiet click on the Hard Drive as it reboots itself. I believe this is because the Scaleo P 32-bit operating system does not recognise the 64-bit operating system on the Sata HDD?. I then installed Windows Vista Ultimate onto the Sata HDD (as I don't have the original Vista Home Premium CD-ROM software) and on boot up there are now 3 operating systems on this Sata HDD (1) Microsoft Windows Vista (New Installation of Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit OS) (2) Microsoftt Windows Vista (Original 64-bit OS) and (3) Start Puppy Linux. The priority has changed as the new and working installation of (1) Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate is now the first operating system to select and boot. SP1 and SP2 have been installed and this system works fine.

The problem is that I can see and open the data which was on the 2nd Partitiion D (which is now on the C Drive) and I can see the data which was on the 1st Partitiion C (which is not on the D Drive) but although there are files and folders there, there is no data inside the folders, for example Users and Desktop are visible but when I click them there is no data shown within those folders yet both partitions give accurate readings that the data is there but the system is unable to read any data. Is this because the Windows Vista Ultimate is unable to read the data of the 64-bit OS?. I can select Users and see the folders etc., but when I click the folders no data is shown.

To try and clean up the system I deleted in error in the folder "Desktop" and some other windows files, some of which I have now restored from the recycle bin but for other files and folders which I try to restore it says the target cannot be found etc.

I now have a Second Identical Fujitsu Siemens Scaleo L Desktop Computer Machine with the exact same specifications and operating system Windows Vista Home Premium as my original machine, but before I plug my HDD into "this Second Identical system", I want to know if I need to do anything before plugging in my HDD because of 2 reasons (1) It has Windows Vista Ultimate still installed and (2) I deleted some system files in error so would I need to use SYSTEM PROTECTION to restore shadow copies of system files from February 2014 when I began having problems with the original Fujitsu Siemens Scaleo L machine? or would I just be able to select the 2nd Operating System (2) Microsoft Windows Vista and let the system repair itself if there are any errors found?

If I did get any errors, could these be easily resolved by using System Protection options? and should I remove the New installation of Windows Vista Ultimate now or after I have booted using the Home Premium Operationg System? Also, I forgot how to delete an Operating System so some tips here would be useful if I need to do that.

I am merely trying to get my original system back to how it was before the hardware failures in February this year.

I look forward to your replies and will follow up on all replies left.

Thanks

Danny1234


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#1
May 1, 2014 at 02:41:48
I need clarification on a few things before I can tell you anything.

First you said that your original desktop's mootherboard and processor burnt out and you took the hard drive and installed it into another system. The system you installed a hard drive on was a 32 bit system (with 32 BIT OS).

When you booted the computer you selected Windows from the hard drive you connected from the original system. That windows will not be able to boot because of the different system motherboard.


Then when installed the OS on that system did you install it on the hard drive you took out from the original system or on that systems original hard drive? Because of you did install it on the hard drive from the original system the data might be lost as when you install the OS the drive partition is reformatted.

What you should've done was connect the hard drive externally to a system copy the data then format it. After that place it in the system you want and then install the OS

Anyway clarify on what I said and we'll see from there.


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#2
May 1, 2014 at 23:14:42
hi Sarah_Ramirez

Thanks for your reply.

you said "That windows will not be able to boot because of the different system motherboard." I say, OK thanks for the info. But... the "Identical" Fujitsu Siemens Scaleo L machine does have the identical motherboard to the original faulty machine, so I presume that plugging the 320GB HDD into the "Identical" Fujitsu Siemens Scaleo L machine so that should solve that issue?

you said "Then when installed the OS on that system did you install it on the hard drive you took out from the original system or on that systems original hard drive?" I say, the Fujitsu Siemens Scaleo P was originally pre-installed with Windows XP Media Centre but this machine did not have a HDD, so I plugged my 320GB Sata HDD into this machine and installed Windows Vista Ultimate. On boot up, the new installation of Windows Vista Ultimate works fine and it enables me to see most of the data on the disk, except the files mentioned in my original post. I will let you know which files cannot be accessed sometime soon in a separate reply here.

The boot menu is as follows:-

1. Microsoft Windows Vista (New Installation which works OK)

2. Microsoft Windows Vista (Original Installation on 320GB Sata which starts to boot but then the machine reboots itself after 1 or 2 seconds)

3. Start Puppy Linux

That's all for now.

Thanks.

Danny1234

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#3
May 2, 2014 at 12:39:19
If you plug the HDD into the identical system it should work just fine and it should start up with all your old programs and files "BUT" since you installed a new installation of windows on the HDD on a different system that might cause problems.

One reason why you can't access files is because those files were on the C drive in the original system where the OS was installed. The Desktop and Users folder is linked to the OS and if you can't access or boot from that OS you will not be able to see the files inside.

Try attaching the HDD to the identical system and tell me if that works.


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#4
May 2, 2014 at 22:35:02
hi Sarah_Ramirez

ok, I will try attaching the HDD to the identical system soon and I will let you know if it works.

Thanks.

Danny1234

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#5
May 8, 2014 at 04:02:48
hi Sarah_Ramirez

I will be plugging my 320GB Sata HDD into the 64bit identical machine today and will let you know how it goes and if there are any problems.

Just to mention that contrary to the differences and abilities of a 64bit OS and 32bit OS, I am able to see all files and folders on the 320GB Sata HDD on the 32bit OS and also now, Users and Desktop and the contents of each within. The only thing it cannot do is execute or start Desktop programs (.exe) files and shortcuts which should be remedied today on the identical 64bit machine.

Danny1234

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#6
May 9, 2014 at 11:05:24
Okay let me know.

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#7
May 9, 2014 at 12:45:51
hi Sarah_Ramirez

I have plugged my own 320GB Sata into the identical machine.

The new 320GB Sata (B) already inside the new identical machine has a fresh install of Windows Vista Home Premium installed and System correctly shows that it is a 64bit OS System.

Because I previously installed Window Vista Ultimate on my own 320GB Sata (A) using a 32bit OS machine, now when I plug my 320GB Sata (A) into the identical machine, it works fine, but System says that it a 32bit OS and seems to take time to process data.

When I put the 320GB Sata (B) into the new machine on it's own, System says it is a 64bit OS and it is fast which is what I want but there is no data on this disk apart from Windows Vista Home Premium.

I want System to recognise that this new identical machine is a 64bit dual core machine but System says it is a 32bit. How do I get it recognise this using my own 320GB Sata HDD (A) ?

I have the Windows Vista Ultimate CD Rom but do not have the option to upgrade. I only have the option to install a fresh copy of Vista Ultimate. Would that delete my data? because if I can install windows Ultimate onto my 320GB (A) to upgrade it from Home Premium, maybe that install would make System realise that it is now inside a 64bit dual core machine?

Also, how do I delete the 1st Windows Vista 32bit OS from my own 320GB Sata HDD (A) ? as this is causing all the problems here. Clear instructions would be helpful to remove this "Primary" OS from my 320GB Sata HDD (A)

Thanks.

Danny1234

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#8
May 11, 2014 at 12:37:55
Hi Danny1234,

So you said that you previously installed Windows Vista Ultimate on the 320GB (A) when it was in the 32Bit Machine and now that you plug it into the 64Bit machine it shows 32bit system. This is because the OS you installed is a 32Bit version. The 32 bit system you see in windows is not for the dual core machine but for the OS installed. Windows knows the processor is 64 bit but the windows itself is 32bit. Although it should not affect speed that much. 32 and 64 bit windows are same expect for the RAM usage. 32 bit windows vista can use 2.5GB max RAM and 64bit can use 16TB max.

You cannot upgrade from home premium to ultimate. Home premium and ultimate are 2 separate windows which have no compatibility with each other.

The only way to delete the windows from SATA (A) is to do a fresh install of windows and make sure you use a 64 bit version. I would prefer you get Windows 7 or better Windows 8. You can get the home premium versions of windows. Windows Vista is old and very slow in performance compared to windows 7 or windows 8.

In my opinion windows 8 is the best windows released so far.


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#9
May 15, 2014 at 08:34:41
hi Sarah_Ramirez

Well on the 9th May, I chose to restore the system back to the 27th February and after shutting down it won't boot up. Just says "No Signal" and I got no beeps. Have left the machine off for a few days and tried again today but still "No Signal" and no beeps. So now I have 2 defunct Scaleo L machines. Isn't that just great?

Any suggestions now? Maybe buy a 3rd Scaleo L to see if that works?

Thanks.

Danny1234


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#10
May 22, 2014 at 09:49:08
hi Sarah_Ramirez

Any chance you could reply to my last post as I have been waiting for your reply.

Thanks.

Danny1234


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