Rebuilt old Dell PC but the graphics suck

Dell Dimension™ 2350 desktop
December 11, 2010 at 17:47:34
Specs: Windows XP Version 2002 SP 2, Intel Pentium 4 3.2 GHz 4 GB DDR2 RAM
I re-built my aunts old Dimension 2350 to turn it into a custom gamer for Microsoft Flight Sim 10- upgraded almost everything, new MSI board, 4GBs of RAM, Intel Pentium 3.2GHz cpu, and a GeForce 8400 GS from NVidia. Since everything else was delivered before the GeForce, I just used the on board graphics to start setting things up and test my game. With the on board graphics (and graphics settings all the way up in the game) I got about 10-20fps. After I installed the card the first time it didn't work after the mandatory restart. I did a system restore and reinstalled and it worked, but when I launched the game everything but the card was the same and I got less then 5fps. People have already told me install teh latest drivers, set the primary graphics to PCI in the bios and I've tried all that but it didn't work. Could switching to Vista help? Is it possible that the problem lies in the fact that the game require DirectX 9 compatible hardware but the card installation CD had "DirectX 9/10"? Any other suggestions to fix this?

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#1
December 11, 2010 at 18:00:23
Have you disabled the on-board graphics either in BIOS or if not possible there then in Windows?

I also notice from your specification that you are using XP SP2.
It may be worth updating to SP3.

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#2
December 11, 2010 at 18:10:18
I was previously told that on board is auto-diabled, so other then setting the primary graphics to PCI I haven't done anything like that. Specifically where would I go to do that? Would the update to SP3 potentially solve this problem or did you just mean its worth getting just because its always worth getting new SPs.

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#3
December 11, 2010 at 19:21:25
I hope you can see this:
http://en.community.dell.com/suppor...

You can also search the above forum for more information on your system.

As for SP3 I know it is worth putting on and so I am recommending that you take it.

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#4
December 11, 2010 at 19:37:34
This is the 2nd time you've asked about this build but this time, the story is a little different. In your other post you said you were building a new system, not rebuilding an outdated one. You mentioned the CPU as being an E6700, not a P4. You've stated that you have an MSI board & 4GB RAM, but supplied no details. And not once did you state that your crappy 8400GS is a standard PCI card. Why the hell would you run a PCI card? It's possible that the onboard is actually better.

I think you need to start from scratch & give us a complete detailed list of ALL the hardware you're using for this "build".

http://support.dell.com/support/edo...


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#5
December 11, 2010 at 20:25:26
I posted a benchmark in your previous post. 8400gs pci e perform better(high settings less than 25fps) when using 1024 x 768 or less but when resolution is increased u get 5 or 7 fps. U have the worst version of 8400gs(pci version) 5fps is ok. U see pci bandwidth is very small(133.3mb/s) plus alot of components use it, so expect dissapointment when using pci v-card. Pci-e x16 bandwidth is huge(4000mb/s) plus only v-card use it(no sharing). U stated "custom gamer" u need a real gaming v-card like hd 5570 gddr5 and dual core(start with exxxx) if u don't have one.

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#6
December 11, 2010 at 20:33:07
Does it matter if it was a new build or rebuild? It might as well be a new build, the only things I kept were the hard drive and case. I don't know why you keep mentioning a P4 cpu, because I never did, its the one I link to in the other post. And why are you just noticing its a PCI card? I clarified that a couple times already. I've pretty much given up on this card anyway, would a GeForce 9400 GT PCI-E have sufficient performance, to at least out do the onboard?

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#7
December 11, 2010 at 22:11:27
"Does it matter if it was a new build or rebuild?"

Yes, it makes a big difference. And why haven't you listed the hardware specs, you've been asked more than once? Myself & others have wasted hours of our time trying to help & then you finally tell us that your 8400GS is friggin PCI video card? It's 2010, who the hell uses PCI graphics anymore? It wouldn't matter if that card had 1024MB of memory, it's performance is choked by the outdated PCI bus that only runs at 33MHz & has very limited bandwidth. It's no wonder the integrated graphics outperformed it. You must have known your board (model not disclosed) had a PCIe x16 slot, what possessed you to buy a PCI card?


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#8
December 11, 2010 at 22:21:34
No it makes no difference if this is a rebuild or a new build because by rebuild I mean I took the old Dell, removed EVERY component except the case and harddrive, replaced them all with new parts and reinstalled the OS. And if it makes you fell better, I'm returning this card, and buying this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ... look, its got PCI-E and everything

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#9
December 11, 2010 at 22:52:48
Do NOT buy that card! Jeez, you obviously have no idea what you're doing. Go back to your other thread & read my last response.

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#10
December 12, 2010 at 07:52:12
Stop telling what card to get and tell me what features to get.

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#11
December 12, 2010 at 10:51:36
Fine, you're on your own. Go waste your money on the outdated low end 7200GS w/turbocache, I couldn't care less. You obviously are clueless when it comes to video cards, you came here for advice, I've given you mine, now I'm done with you

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#12
December 12, 2010 at 16:58:59
Just to let everyone know, I returned the 8400, and will be buying the ATI as soon as I can. Thanks for your help.

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#13
December 12, 2010 at 17:46:07
The one you linked earlier looked good at first, but some reviews on New Eggs suggested it still might not be enough. Hows this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

Its PCI-E has 1GB of 128bit DDR3 RAM and its an ATI. Did I miss anything?


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#14
December 12, 2010 at 20:22:05
It's a good v-card, go ahead and buy it.

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