Solved PCIe SSD and Sleep Issue

Custom built pc / Ga-z97x-ud3h
May 8, 2017 at 21:15:57
Specs: Windows 7 Pro 64bit, G-Skill 16GB (4x4) DDR3 2133
Today I installed a new PCIe SSD m.2 with adapter in PCIe 8x slot and cloned my older SATA SSD over to it. This went well (see link)
https://www.computing.net/howtos/sh...
but when I manually put it to hybrid sleep it just appears to be going into sleep but at the last moment it dies. It starts up when I hit the power button and acts like the power was cut off so it asks me if I want to start Windows Normally, etc.
Hardware:
Gigabyte Motherboard: Z97X-UD3H ver:1.0
Processor: Intel i5-4690K
Original Boot Drive: OCZ Vertex 460 256GB
New Boot Drive to be installed: Western Digital Black series PCIe 3.0 4x MVMe M.2 2280mm 256GB
M.2 PCIe to PCIe 3.0 4x Adapter used (details/reason in text): IOCREST SI-PEX40110
Storage Drive: WD 1TB Black SATA drive
Graphics: GTX750Ti
CPU Cooler:Noctua CPU heat sink Cooler
RAM: GSkill 4x4GB DDR3 2133
Windows 7 64bit
Details on install on the How To I linked above.
I ran every scan on the system before cloning it, upgraded to the newest full BIOS for NVMe support, added the Hot Fix to support NVMe in Windows 7, Installed WD software, Used WD Acronis to do cloning drive. I ran Tweaking.com less than a week ago and just ran it again with all pre scans and all was perfect. The only problems I see at this point is First the system does not go into sleep without crashing during the process, and Second, the system did not go into Safe Mode but hung when I tried after loading most of the drivers (showing on screen) and had to force shut it down. I ended up running Tweaking.com in normal mode with stuff shut off with Process Explorer.
Does anyone know of any reason Safe Mode did not work (I may try it again soon)?
The sleep appears to be that the PCIe 8x port is being powered fully down or at least before the sleep (Hybrid) is fully. Does anyone have any suggestions to try in BIOS settings? Or should I maybe try plain (laptop type) sleep?

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May 13, 2017 at 17:11:12
"I assume that you did not want me to press any button"
Correct, here is your next step.

Copy & Paste the text in Blue below & save it into Notepad on your Desktop & name it fixlist.txt
NOTE: It is important that Notepad is used. The fix will not work if Word or some other program is used.
NOTE: It is important that both files, FRST64 and fixlist.txt are in the same location or the fix will not work.
NOTICE: This script was written specifically for this user, for use on that particular machine. Running this on another machine may cause damage to your operating system.

CreateRestorePoint:
emptytemp:
closeprocesses:
AlternateDataStreams: C:\ProgramData\Reprise:wupeogjxlctlfudivq`qsp`28hfm [0]
HKU\S-1-5-21-834733271-2907992811-4054638770-1000\...\MountPoints2: {df94d543-49c0-11e6-96d8-74d435e3bb50} - H:\startme.exe
HKU\S-1-5-21-834733271-2907992811-4054638770-1000\...\MountPoints2: {e4351846-8a27-11e4-b5e5-806e6f6e6963} - D:\Run.exe
Winsock: Catalog5-x64 08 C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live\WLIDNSP.DLL => No File
Winsock: Catalog5-x64 09 C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live\WLIDNSP.DLL => No File
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Internet Explorer: Restriction <======= ATTENTION
HKU\.DEFAULT\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Internet Explorer: Restriction <======= ATTENTION
HKU\S-1-5-21-834733271-2907992811-4054638770-1000\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Internet Explorer: Restriction <======= ATTENTION
FF Plugin: @microsoft.com/GENUINE -> disabled [No File]
FF Plugin-x32: @microsoft.com/GENUINE -> disabled [No File]

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#1
May 9, 2017 at 04:53:57
Update: I was able to get into Safe Mode but Sleep is still a problem.

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#2
May 9, 2017 at 07:01:09
"Or should I maybe try plain (laptop type) sleep?"
Yes, do you have a PC or laptop?

Difference between Sleep, Hybrid Sleep & Hibernation in Windows 7 | 8
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/diffe...

Comparing Sleep, Hibernation, and Hybrid Sleep on Windows
http://www.tekrevue.com/tip/compari...


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#3
May 9, 2017 at 07:02:03
I don't see any advantage to trying to place any SSD in sleep mode. The advantage with mechanical drives is that the drive stops rotating, which prolongs life.

As far as your issue goes, I would guess it is a Windows issue. Your old SSD was connected to a SATA port, same as any mechanical drive. The new drive is inserted into a PCIe slot. Windows may not know how to handle it, or possibly MS came to the same conclusion I just cited above concerning the value in doing so.

All the extended modes available are all about energy conservation. I don't THINK your m2 slot drive uses any power when not being accessed.

Of course, I could be wrong.


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#4
May 9, 2017 at 14:12:49
Another article about SSD devices and what/why etc...

Much like OtH I don't see much purpose to sleep mode for an SSD; whereas hibernate (as discussed amongst other things in the link below) does use up write cycles on an SSD... and I suggest is best avoided?

http://tinyurl.com/kp3udm3

Incidentally a trawl around with google does bring up some references to some issues with SSD and some versions of windows re' sleep mode...


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#5
May 9, 2017 at 16:29:44
Desktop.
The PCIe SSD is on the PCIe 8X slot with an adapter card, the M.2 slot is too old to be useful.
I do not use Hybrid Sleep to save energy or even to prolong the drive life. I use Sleep to be able to go to sleep at night myself without the machine (fans & LED lights) disturbing me AND I like to keep open some things to get back to later, which is why I simply do not shut it down at night. I think that the PCIe ports probably power down fully and before the SSD drive is fully in power down. Since basic sleep like on a laptop is only saving to RAM, I may try that instead of the typical desktop Hybrid sleep.

Aside from this really minor issue, I really like the new WD PCIe SSD Black series 256GB as my boot drive. I posted the How to because I did a lot of research to get the Z97 board and Windows 7 to accept it and the research payed off because it worked straight away (clone and go). My old SSD will sit there installed but unplugged until such a time I have another need for it.

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#6
May 11, 2017 at 19:26:04
Update:
I disabled Hybrid sleep and have tried ordinary sleep. So far this works for me. I have not had a problem waking in the morning and have not had a crash since I made this change. It appears that the PCIe slots are powered fully down before the hybrid sleep was complete. I do not know if the drive requires a small amount of current to maintain this state but it would make sense to wake instantly. If anyone else has this problem, try disabling the hybrid sleep and using ordinary sleep like a laptop as I am now doing. I am not getting the occasional crashing and random wake from sleep or failure to wake that I had from my older OCZ SATA SSD and it feels faster. Overall I feel that it was a good purchase. I will give it a couple of days and post back a final comment and maybe a speed test if I am in the mood. I hope that this helps some people.

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#7
May 12, 2017 at 06:00:58
Last night it was late but I did some benchmark testing to see if I was in the ballpark. Unfortunately though I tried three different ones I was getting numbers way too low for even a SATA SSD. I gave up at nearly 2AM. This morning I realized my mistake. I was running the tests from the downloads folder which is actually on my conventional storage drive so it was hindered by the spinning disk speeds for the test. I copied the downloads to the root of the C drive (new SSD) and the tests were much more reasonable for a PCIe NVMe drive. The numbers are not as good as reported for the Samsung 950Pro on Z170 and Z270 motherboards but at under $100. compared to nearly $360. and on the older Z97 motherboard, I feel I did get a good deal and overall I am happy with my decision.

This morning the machine woke well from sleep but about 20 minutes later the system crashed. The system got the blue screen that tells you that it was doing a dump before restarting but did not do its normal count and restart so I was forced to do a hard shut down and restart. I do not know if this is BIOS settings or Windows or just Windows update forcing something but I will keep tweaking it. I had occasionally experienced this blue screen using the prior SATA SSD but it was usually close to waking from hybrid sleep but this feels somehow different. Suggestions are welcome, especially if anyone else has tried this out there. I will occasionally update this on the chance someone else gets any benefit out of it now or in the future.

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#8
May 12, 2017 at 14:33:07
I can go through these logs & look for clues.

Please download Farbar Recovery Scan Tool and save it onto your Desktop. If your default download location is not the Desktop, drag it out of it's location onto the Desktop.
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/dow...
If we have to run Farbar more than once, refer this SS.
http://i.imgur.com/yUxNw0j.gif
Note: You need to run the version compatible with your system. If you are not sure which version applies to your system download both of them and try to run them. Only one of them will run on your system, that will be the right version.
Double-click to run it. When the tool opens click Yes to disclaimer.
Press Scan button.
It will make a log (FRST.txt) on the Desktop.
The first time the tool is run, it makes also another log (Addition.txt)
The logs are large, upload them using one of these. No account/registration needed. Give us the links please.
http://www.fileconvoy.com/index.php


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#9
May 13, 2017 at 06:19:14
Update: Regular sleep appears to be working fine.
I was doing some optimizing with some clues from http://www.overclock.net/t/1156654/... which I have used before and came across that the system restore was not allowing changes and was having a problem. I reasoned that it was the cloning of the drive that was confusing the system restore so I turned it off and then back on. I was then able to resize the allowable size and create a new restore point so this is no longer a problem (included to help others).

JohnW: It could not hurt to run this tool for a look but right now it is about 9AM New York time and I have to get ready for work. I may have the time to run it tonight, but certainly by some time on Monday.

At this time the system is running well, SSD tests are showing read speeds up around 1300 MB/s and write in the mid to high 500MB/s. The read is a little lower than the peak reported on similar PCIe 4x drives but in the ball park considering the 'older' hardware and Windows 7 system but the write speeds are only a little faster than many SATA SSD's so i will (when time allows) look for tweaks and flaws to help this. Overall I am happy with the drive and I will probably rarely be saving files large enough to notice the difference in the writes.

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#10
May 13, 2017 at 06:38:44
Just out of curiosity, but the PCIe card itself isn't set to sleep with the computer, is it? The symptoms sound like the drive is loosing power before it can finish its writes, and lying to Windows about buffered writes isn't exactly uncommon when you're a consumer drive whose main selling point is performance.

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#11
May 13, 2017 at 13:28:44
"but certainly by some time on Monday"
No problem Fingers.

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#12
May 13, 2017 at 16:13:50
JohnW: Done. Here is the link:
http://www.fileconvoy.com/dfl.php?i...
I assume that you did not want me to press any button except the Scan button since that is all you said.

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#13
May 13, 2017 at 17:11:12
✔ Best Answer
"I assume that you did not want me to press any button"
Correct, here is your next step.

Copy & Paste the text in Blue below & save it into Notepad on your Desktop & name it fixlist.txt
NOTE: It is important that Notepad is used. The fix will not work if Word or some other program is used.
NOTE: It is important that both files, FRST64 and fixlist.txt are in the same location or the fix will not work.
NOTICE: This script was written specifically for this user, for use on that particular machine. Running this on another machine may cause damage to your operating system.

CreateRestorePoint:
emptytemp:
closeprocesses:
AlternateDataStreams: C:\ProgramData\Reprise:wupeogjxlctlfudivq`qsp`28hfm [0]
HKU\S-1-5-21-834733271-2907992811-4054638770-1000\...\MountPoints2: {df94d543-49c0-11e6-96d8-74d435e3bb50} - H:\startme.exe
HKU\S-1-5-21-834733271-2907992811-4054638770-1000\...\MountPoints2: {e4351846-8a27-11e4-b5e5-806e6f6e6963} - D:\Run.exe
Winsock: Catalog5-x64 08 C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live\WLIDNSP.DLL => No File
Winsock: Catalog5-x64 09 C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live\WLIDNSP.DLL => No File
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Internet Explorer: Restriction <======= ATTENTION
HKU\.DEFAULT\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Internet Explorer: Restriction <======= ATTENTION
HKU\S-1-5-21-834733271-2907992811-4054638770-1000\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Internet Explorer: Restriction <======= ATTENTION
FF Plugin: @microsoft.com/GENUINE -> disabled [No File]
FF Plugin-x32: @microsoft.com/GENUINE -> disabled [No File]

Open FRST64 and press the Fix button just once and wait.
If for some reason the tool needs a restart, please make sure you let the system restart normally. After that, let the tool complete its run.
When finished FRST will generate a log on the Desktop (Fixlog.txt). Please Copy & Paste the contents into your reply.
Refer these SS if needed.
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/...
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/...
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/...
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/...
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#14
May 13, 2017 at 21:53:51
Here it is:
Fix result of Farbar Recovery Scan Tool (x64) Version: 08-05-2017
Ran by Fingers (14-05-2017 00:45:48) Run:1
Running from C:\Users\Fingers\Desktop
Loaded Profiles: Fingers (Available Profiles: Fingers)
Boot Mode: Normal
==============================================

fixlist content:
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CreateRestorePoint:
emptytemp:
closeprocesses:
AlternateDataStreams: C:\ProgramData\Reprise:wupeogjxlctlfudivq`qsp`28hfm [0]
HKU\S-1-5-21-834733271-2907992811-4054638770-1000\...\MountPoints2: {df94d543-49c0-11e6-96d8-74d435e3bb50} - H:\startme.exe
HKU\S-1-5-21-834733271-2907992811-4054638770-1000\...\MountPoints2: {e4351846-8a27-11e4-b5e5-806e6f6e6963} - D:\Run.exe
Winsock: Catalog5-x64 08 C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live\WLIDNSP.DLL => No File
Winsock: Catalog5-x64 09 C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live\WLIDNSP.DLL => No File
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Internet Explorer: Restriction <======= ATTENTION
HKU\.DEFAULT\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Internet Explorer: Restriction <======= ATTENTION
HKU\S-1-5-21-834733271-2907992811-4054638770-1000\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Internet Explorer: Restriction <======= ATTENTION
FF Plugin: @microsoft.com/GENUINE -> disabled [No File]
FF Plugin-x32: @microsoft.com/GENUINE -> disabled [No File]
*****************

Restore point was successfully created.
Processes closed successfully.
C:\ProgramData\Reprise => ":wupeogjxlctlfudivq`qsp`28hfm" ADS removed successfully.
HKU\S-1-5-21-834733271-2907992811-4054638770-1000\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MountPoints2\{df94d543-49c0-11e6-96d8-74d435e3bb50} => key removed successfully
HKCR\CLSID\{df94d543-49c0-11e6-96d8-74d435e3bb50} => key not found.
HKU\S-1-5-21-834733271-2907992811-4054638770-1000\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MountPoints2\{e4351846-8a27-11e4-b5e5-806e6f6e6963} => key removed successfully
HKCR\CLSID\{e4351846-8a27-11e4-b5e5-806e6f6e6963} => key not found.
HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\WinSock2\Parameters\NameSpace_Catalog5\Catalog_Entries64\000000000008 => key removed successfully
HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\WinSock2\Parameters\NameSpace_Catalog5\Catalog_Entries64\000000000009 => key removed successfully
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Internet Explorer => key removed successfully
HKU\.DEFAULT\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Internet Explorer => key removed successfully
HKU\S-1-5-21-834733271-2907992811-4054638770-1000\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Internet Explorer => key removed successfully
HKLM\Software\MozillaPlugins\@microsoft.com/GENUINE => key removed successfully
HKLM\Software\Wow6432Node\MozillaPlugins\@microsoft.com/GENUINE => key removed successfully

=========== EmptyTemp: ==========

BITS transfer queue => 8388608 B
DOMStore, IE Recovery, AppCache, Feeds Cache, Thumbcache, IconCache => 10150394 B
Java, Flash, Steam htmlcache => 523 B
Windows/system/drivers => 10792 B
Edge => 0 B
Chrome => 0 B
Firefox => 380613991 B
Opera => 0 B

Temp, IE cache, history, cookies, recent:
Users => 0 B
Default => 0 B
Public => 0 B
ProgramData => 0 B
systemprofile => 66356 B
systemprofile32 => 66088 B
LocalService => 0 B
NetworkService => 1187504 B
Fingers => 72005535 B

RecycleBin => 10513798 B
EmptyTemp: => 460.6 MB temporary data Removed.

================================


The system needed a reboot.

==== End of Fixlog 00:45:58 ====

JohnW:
I followed your instructions because I trust you but I am curious as to specifically what we just did and at least some of the reason for it.
Thank You

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#15
May 13, 2017 at 22:13:07
Well, I just ran the speed test again and there was a significant improvement.
Before it was: 550MB/s Write and 1300MB/s Read
Now it shows: 700MB/s Write and 1900MB/s Read
THAT was certainly worth doing!
Thank You.

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#16
May 13, 2017 at 22:25:54
"I followed your instructions because I trust you but I am curious as to specifically what we just did and at least some of the reason for it"
I'm guided by the program Fingers, I have never investigated the reasons why the script works, it just does every time.

If you want to type > error < into find/search in the Addition log, you can see if anything there requires your attention. If it does, you do that by googling the problem.


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#17
May 14, 2017 at 20:25:24
Thank You JohnW.
I just looked at the expected speed for this drive and I am right on point now. They list it as 700MB/s (for 256GB and 800MB/s for the 512GB models) Read and 2050MB/s Write and I am at the 700/1900 range which is on par with the reviews out there. Overall I am happy with the drive.
Unfortunately, through a support issue some drive test and monitoring, including temps are not supporting in Windows 7 (maybe in the future) and this drive is not known to be very hot under normal use but I ordered a heat sink ('slow boat from China' apparently) which I will install to feel more comfortable with so I can forget about it.
Thank You all for all suggestions. I am going to mark it solved. I hope this helps anyone thinking about a PCIe SSD on a Z97 MB.... It can be done. Note: the Samsung 960 Pro does show more speed for anyone that is matters enough.

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#18
May 14, 2017 at 21:04:30
"Thank You JohnW."
YW Fingers.

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#19
June 4, 2017 at 06:04:48
Update (good one): Just to tough base on this briefly, all issues of speed, reliability, and even sleep problems have been resolved and I rarely shut down or restart the machine except when updates have built up a bit. I will now take a new image of this drive to use as a fall back baseline in case any drive or other problems come up and it should be needed. Thanks again to all.

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#20
June 4, 2017 at 06:42:59
Thanks for the feedback Fingers.

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