New power supply emachine et-1643 still dead

Acer / Am1610
August 24, 2010 at 09:22:31
Specs: Windows Vista
We had had a power outage for about 10 minutes I had no surge protector hooked up to any of them.My other 2 computers turned back on and are working fine But my e-machine et-1641 would not turn back on.It acts like it wants to but it just powers off after in winds up for 3 seconds.I was told it was probley the power supply so I bought one and it does the same thing?The old power supply the fan wouldnt even turn on when it was turned on but the new power supply the fan turns on for 3 seconds and the computer acts just the same.Any ideas other than throwing this e-machine in the trash like alot of you might say?Could it be the hard drive?Mother board?Any help would be great!I have medical records on the emachine I really need bad!Hope you all can help.Thanks,Born

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#1
August 24, 2010 at 12:33:43
Remove all hard drives and pci cards. Put only the bare minimum parts in to get to the bios and try it again.

Why did it take me over a year to phone in a problem to ATT?


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#2
August 24, 2010 at 12:41:37
Well, first off, you can remove the hard drive and connect it to a different computer to recover files. You should have duplicates of your personal files anyway. Let this be a lesson.

Do you have an added in Graphics card or just the on board graphics? What exact model of power supply did you install?

Many times when a power supply goes out it can take other components with it. The motherboard would be the next likely component to go. I doubt your hard drive was damaged, but it is possible.

When you were reconnecting everything you may have dislodged something, or not connected something. The CPU fan must be connected to the header on the motherboard marked CPU fan or the computer will not run. Most newer computers have auxiliary power connectors that may go to the motherboard or and graphics card. If those are required and you didn't reconnect them then that could also cause the issue. The fact that you are getting any signs of life is good.

Look at the link below for help with possible connectors you may have missed.

http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuco...


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#3
August 24, 2010 at 13:20:33
Well,I tried installing the hard drive a few weeks ago out of the emachine into my acer and it would show a drive D but couldnt ever retrieve anything and it also showed that the hard drive had about full memory that it shouldnt because I had quite a bit in it.I dont have any extra sound cards or anything hooked up to the emachine.I just tryed disconnecting the cd/dvd burner and hardrive and only left the 20 pin connector and the one next to it with 4 wires and the fan is hooked up and the 2 sata cables one to the hard drive and one to the cd burner/dvd and the only thing I get again is the fan on the power supply and the cooling fan on the mother board run for less than 30 seconds and then it winds down again.Seems like my other computers do the same thing But after winding down for a second it grabs and keeps going.Any more tests or something I can look for?is that P5(4 plug next to the p9 connector supposed to be hooked to anything?It is not hooked up on my acer and it works fine.Is there a way you can tell if the mobo is bad? I really thank you for your time and help that means alot!Thanks,Born

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#4
August 24, 2010 at 14:20:44
Did you look at the link I provided? Sounds like you don't have all the necessary power connectors plugged in. There should be a socket for a square 4 pin or a two row 6 or 8 pin somewhere near the CPU.

I asked you to post the model of the replacement power supply. Get that off the power supply itself. I also asked if you had an add in graphics (video) card.

Also, I am not sure if you have connected the 20+4 connector to the main power socket.

If you could see that hard drive at all when connected to your Acer then the hard drive is OK. You need to take ownership of the files and folder when migrating a drive. That is by design.

I can't see your motherboard so any numbering system is meaningless to me.


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#5
August 24, 2010 at 17:33:14
The power supply is a ANTEC BP350.The square pin connector with the yellow,yellow/black and 2 black wires is connected to the motherboard lower left of the mother board fan.The 20 pin connector is plugged in and next to it is a square 4 pin connector that says 24 on it it has yellow.orange,red and black wires.Now I have 3 cables left coming from the power supply.One has wires yellow,black.red,black,orange.It has two 4 pin molex connectors and one IDE connector.The next harness yellow,black,black,red has two molex 4 pin connectors and a four pin floppy drive connector.The last harness has 2 IDE CONNECTORS with yellow,black,red,black and yellow wire.The motherboard has one card at the bottom where the phone wires plug into.There are 4 sata plug ins 2 spots are taken for the cd/dvd burner and the hardrive.There are 2 ram cards installed 1gb each from the Acer(I had 2 muskins 2gb i put back in the acer after the emachine quit working)As I said before I left everything unplugged from the new power supply except the 20 pin connector and the square 4 pin connector next to that that says 24 on the connector.I left the 2 red sata cables plugged into the cd,dvd burner and one to the hardrive.The fan to the motherboard is plugged in!I tryed it with it unplugged and it wouldnt do anything like you said.Let me know this time what I should check for or?Thanks Again for you time.Kurt

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#6
August 24, 2010 at 17:45:24
So in addition to changing the power supply, you also swapped out the RAM? Why?

What about an add in graphics card? Do you have one or not? If so, do you have an edge power connector on it?

Verify your have the connector from the fan on top of the CPU connected to the header that says CPU fan on it.

Do you have any external hardware connected?

Unplug the data and power cables from all the drives and motherboard and install the same RAM that was in it when things went bad. You don't need any add in cards or drives in order to POST, except for graphics, if you don't have on board graphics.

Verify the voltage setting on the back of the power supply is set right, if one exists. Some are auto sensing. If you live where 115VAC is used and you set the power supply to 230VAC nothing will happen because only half the required voltage will go to the motherboard. Conversely, if you do the opposite, you will immediately fry the motherboard. It is possible the board is damaged. That is what we are trying to determine.


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#7
August 24, 2010 at 19:10:21
I swapped out the Ram because the mushkins ram cards I thought and just bought for the emachine were better and had more ram then what came with the emachine and since the emachine was not working anymore I put them in my acer that was working.I then put the acer ram cards in the e-machine that is not working.I do not have any add on graphic cards or anything not stock in the e-machine except for the mushkin ram that I took out.The fan is plugged in on the emachine where it says CPU FAN.I never touched that until tonight when I removed the fan and the aluminum finned piece behind it because it was packed with lint so I blew it out and put it back.One thing I forgot to mention was when I hooked up the emachine for the first time after I put the new power unit in on the monitor it said fan failure right before it shut down after 3-5 seconds if that means anything?I am not a computer wiz guys.There is No external hardware.The setting I checked on the power supply was already set at 115.The acer I am using now has the Muskin ram cards in it so I will have to shut down before I take them out and put them back in the emachine if you think I should do that and it wont mess up the acer when I do this?Let me know before I take them out please.And also should I put the acer ram cards back in this acer I am using?Thanks,Kurt

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#8
August 27, 2010 at 04:15:34
Hello,Is it going to mess up my Acer computer the computer I use all the time now if I remove the 2 ram cards from it and put them back in the e-machine to try it out like you said to do? I dont need 2 computers not working if I do this.Thank You,Born

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#9
August 27, 2010 at 08:48:06
Not if you unplug the computers before messing around inside. You should also take static discharge precautions. That isn't much of a problem in the summer time. Just discharge yourself to the case while it is still plugged in and then pull out the plug. Computer should be off before either of those steps are taken.

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#10
August 27, 2010 at 10:25:40
emachines desktop computers usually have a BESTEC power supply.
BESTEC power supplies have a POOR reputation - they are a lot more likely than most PSs to malfunction or fail completely, and a lot more likely to damage something else when they do that - most often they fry the mboard, only.
BESTEC power supplies malfunctioning or failing are probably the number one reason a emachines desktop computer fails to boot.
Some cheaper models of other brand name computers also use BESTEC power supplies. E.g. HP, Compaq, Gateway, Dell.

There isn't anything particularly inferior about the mboards used in emachines systems. In most cases the mboards used in emachines computers were NOT made by the company that actually made the emachines desktop computer - Trigem, in Korea - they were supplied to the builder by major mboard manufacturers and merely have an emachines bios version on them.

You mention ET-1643 and ET-1641.
I get very few "hits" on the web for ET-1643, many for ET-1641.

If it's ET-1641....
If your computer was made for North America, this list:
http://www.e4allupgraders.info/dir1...
says this is your mboard:
http://www.e4allupgraders.info/dir1...

It's a ECS model, with an emachines bios version.

If it's ET-1643 it may have the same mboard.

When the mboard in an emachines desktop computer fails to boot after replacing the PS, it's almost always because the BESTEC power supply damaged it while failing.
I recommend that if you buy an emachines desktop computer, if it has a BESTEC power supply, replace it with a better PS as soon as you can, and throw away the BESTEC PS !

You may have noticed there are a lot of ads for "refurbished" emachines desktop computers on the web. Those are probably ones that had the original BESTEC power supply fail on them, and the PS was replaced, probably with another BESTEC one, or the PS and the mboard were replaced, on warranty.
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Power failure events often damage PSs. Power failure events often cause BESTEC PSs to damage something else.

Usually a power failure event and/or a PS failing does not damage the ram, cpu, or the drives, unless a power failure event was caused by a lightning strike near your location, or a lightning strike on the power grid near your location, in which case, anything could be damaged.

In most cases there's nothing wrong with the ram that was installed in the mboard that worked fine previously.

People often try installing ram that wasn't installed in a mboard before when their system won't boot normally. That is usually un-necessary and can add to the possible reasons why the mboard won't boot.

Ram that works in another mboard , or any ram you buy or have lying around, may not work properly, or sometimes, not at all - even if it physically fits and is the right overall type (e.g. SDram, DDR, DDR2, etc.; PCxxxx, xxx mhz) for your mboard. In the worst cases of incompatibilty your mboard WILL NOT BOOT all the way with it installed, and the mboard may not even beep - the ram has to be compatible with the mboard's main chipset, or in the case of recent mboards, compatible with the memory controller built into the cpu.

If ram that works fine in another mboard works fine in yours, or visa versa, that proves the ram is compatible with using it in your mboard, but if ram that works fine in another mboard DOES NOT works fine in yours, that doesn't necessarily indicate there's anything wrong with your mboard - the ram may not be compatible with using it in your mboard.

If you still have the ram that was installed when the system worked fine, try installing just that ram.
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"One thing I forgot to mention was when I hooked up the emachine for the first time after I put the new power unit in on the monitor it said fan failure right before it shut down after 3-5 seconds if that means anything?"

Most more recent mboards will shut off in a very short time when no rpm is detected by the bios from the header for the cpu fan, to prevent the cpu from frying.

Assuming you connected everything properly - including the power supply connections, and there must be a 3 or 4 "pin" female wiring connector from the cpu fan connected to the proper 3 or 4 pin header on the mboard for the cpu fan - and that you had the original ram in it at the time, and the cpu fan was spinning at the time, that sounds like the mboard has been fried.
(If the cpu fan has 3 wires, the cpu fan header has 4 pins, the 3 "pin" female connector must be connected to the right 3 pins. See this and make sure the wiring from the cpu fan is connected properly.
Motherboard (CPU) 4 Pin Fan Connector Pinout
http://www.allpinouts.org/index.php... ).

If it doesn't spin, the cpu fan can be checked by removing it and connecting it to a fan header on another computer - if it's 3 wire, any 3 pin header will do.

It is easy to test for incompatible ram (that wasn't installed in the mboard previously) or damaged ram that has caused your mboard to fail to boot.

Make sure you have a speaker or speakers or the equivalent connected to the mboard so you can hear mboard beeps (see your mboard manual if you need to).
Remove the AC power to the case/power supply.
Remove all the ram.
Restore AC power.
Try to boot.
If nothing else is wrong, you will get no video but you will hear a pattern of beeps that indicate no ram is installed, or a ram problem.
E.g. for an Award bios or a bios based on one, that's often a beep of about a half second, silence for a half second, a beep of about a half second, silence for a half second, continuously.
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If you want to take a risk and replace the mboard, there's a very good chance there's nothing wrong with your present ram or cpu.
You can usually find used mboards that were used in emachines computers on the web for a reasonable price, but make sure the ad says the mboard has been tested and has been found to work fine.
You can buy any mboard that your present cpu and ram are compatible with, but if it isn't one that has an emachines bios version and a mboard model that's could have come with your system, it's likely you won't be able to load the original contents of the hard drive by using Recovery disks for your specific model because the program will refuse to load the data.
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"Well,I tried installing the hard drive a few weeks ago out of the emachine into my acer and it would show a drive D but couldnt ever retrieve anything..."

What do you mean by that?
If you can see the folders and files on the emachines hard drive but you get "access denied" messages when you try to access anything on it, you need to "Take Ownership" of the folders and files on the drive, to remove the user protection for the folders and files that was enabled when it was on the emachines computer. I know how to do that for 2000 or XP, but not for Vista or Windows 7 - perhapssomeone else can tell you how to do that in Vista. .

You can easily test the emachines hard drive on another computer by using a hard drive diagnostics program.

E.g. Seagate's Seatools will test any brand of hard drive.
Do the long test.
http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...

There is a bootable version you can use with any computer that has a working mboard and optical drive, and a version you can install in Windows, if you're testing it on a computer that has a working Windows installation.

If the hard drive itself tests okay, any data problems found can be fixed, one way or another.

The optical drive(s) and floppy drive if you have one, and any cards your have in slots, can be checked out by connecting them to a working computer. In the optical drive(s) is(are) IDE, you may need to change a jumper setting on the drive.

If you see any physical damage of the contacts on the ram or cards, or in the slots on the emachines mboard, or on the drive's connector pins, or on the connectors of the original PS, then probably more than just the mboard has been damaged.


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#11
August 27, 2010 at 11:18:55
Thank You so much for a great explanation of what could be wrong.I put the original ram that came with the emachine back in the emachine.It still does the same thing.Also the muskin ram that I bought for the emachine was working fine before the emachine quit working.I tryed those 2 ram also and still nothing.I did hook the hard drive up that came with the emachine to the Acer AM-1610-B1304A that I am using now on one of the extra p9 connector but I had to use the sata plug from my cd/dvd burner and the Hard drive did show up now as drive E and all of my programs(except pictures? and documents?)were there on my acer.So I had both hard drives hooked up can that hurt anything?The problem I have is that on the Acer Mother board there are only 2 sata female plugs to plug into and I would need 3 one for Acer hard drive,one for emachine hard drive,and one for the cd/dvd burner that is in the Acer desktop.Is there an adaptor so a person can have more Sata female plugs on the mother board other than just the 2?.Also the power supply that I did buy to replace the one in the Emachine(delta electronics DPS250AB-22E) was a ANTEC BP350 from office max $45.It sure does seem like the last thing it could be is the mother board.There was alot of lightning that night and close loud hits.If there is a way to have 2 harddrives in my acer and a way to have another female sata plug to plug it in and it wont hurt anything I would go that route.Unless motherboards are fairly in expensive for it? I really thank you for your help!Born

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#12
August 27, 2010 at 11:33:55
If you just want to use the Acer and lose the emachines there is a way to do that. Install an add in controller card that will allow you to connect as many SATA or IDE devices as the card was designed to handle. There are cards that can connect both IDE & SATA, or just one or the other. Also cards that are designed primarily to setup a RAID array.

If all you need is a couple more SATA ports then look at the link below. Read the reviews on the product before buying. The site I am linking is a good one to use.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

Keep your boot drive connected to the motherboard.


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#13
August 27, 2010 at 13:26:04
Thanks so much! I just ordered the product on the link you gave me.Hope that was the right one.Thanks Again,Born

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#14
August 27, 2010 at 13:34:16
It should work fine. I assume you have an open PCI slot on the motherboard. That card only runs a SATA I speeds. Cards that run at SATA II speed cost lots more and are not necessary. The difference is not even detectable most times. Connect the storage and or optical drive/s to the card.


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#15
September 3, 2010 at 10:38:04
Hello Again,I just received the SATA 2 PORT PCI ADAPTOR WITH RAID?I have no idea what the RAID IS? All I want to do is put this in my desktop and hook up the extra hard drive(the one from the emachine) so then I will have 2 hard drives in my one desktop now the Acer.This Sata 2 port adaptor came with a cd disc driver rom and a manual that is confusing me because I am not sure what it is talking about like DISK STRIPING(RAID 0)DISC MIRRORING (RAID 1) BIOs installation(raid setting) creating striped sets(raid0)creating mirrored sets(raid 1)ETC ETC..? Can I just install this adaptor and put the hard drive in the computor and hook up the sata wire to the hard drive and to the adaptor and the p9 plug to the hard drive and install the cd rom.WOULD THE STEP i NEED TO DO BE ADD WINDOWS VISTA/XP DRIVER ON ORIGINAL BOOTING DEVICE?? OR FOR NEW WINDOWS VISTA/XP SYSTEMS(FRESH INSTALLATION? Thank you so much and let me know what to do exactly so I dont mess anything up please.I wont do anything until I hear from you! Thanks,Born

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#16
September 3, 2010 at 11:22:29
"....WINDOWS VISTA/XP DRIVER..."

That's the first time you've mentioned both Vista and XP.
- the SATA controller drivers for XP may be different from the Vista one(s) .
- other than that, the things you need to know are the same as below for XP, except, of course, XP is usually on a CD instead of a DVD (OEM XP MCE comes on 2 CDs - I've never heard of it being on a DVD. )
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If you install both XP and Vista on the same computer... SEE BELOW below.

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Although the directions may not be clear about this fact, you DO NOT have to set up a RAID array when the card chipset supports RAID - that's always OPTIONAL. You usually MUST have at least two hard drives connected to the card in order to set up a RAID array in any case.
IGNORE the RAID info if you don't what to use RAID
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All SATA card chipsets that support RAID also support just regular SATA use.


If you want to be able to boot from a SATA drive connected to the card....

- your computer's bios Setup must have the option of specifying SCSI as a boot device in the Boot Order or similar list . NOTE that some brand name computer bioses DO NOT have that.

If you can't select SCSI, you can't boot from a hard drive connected to the card - the drives connected to the card can only be used for data storage, and you will need to boot from an operating system on an IDE hard drive connected to the mboard IDE header.
(If you have that situation, the alternative is you can use a SATA to IDE adapter device that attaches to the SATA drive and an IDE data cable, which is attached to an onboard IDE data header. The bios then sees the SATA drive as an IDE drive, max UDMA 133mbps, if the mboard's main chipset also supports that. However, not all main chipsets can recognize such devices.)

- SCSI must be listed in the Boot Order or similar list before any hard drive.
Normally you list CDrom (or similar) before SCSI, so you can boot from a bootable disk if it's present while booting, but CDrom does not necessarily have to be first in the list.

(The bios and Windows supports SATA drive controllers as SCSI controllers.)

- you install the drivers for the SATA card's chipset in the operating system.

If you want to install the operating system from scratch on the SATA drive, you probably need to provide the SATA controller drivers while loading files from the Vista DVD, because they're probably not built into Windows.
However, you probably can't use a Vista operating system re-installation DVD that may have come with the emachines computer to that - it will probably refuse to load the operating system when it finds it's not an emachines system.

You could try not installing the drivers to see what happens - if Vista does not have the drivers for the card's SATA chipset, or if it does but it doesn't normally load them, the DVD will not find the SATA drive(s) - then you know you need to install drivers.
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If you want to install the SATA controller drivers on an existing Vista installation on the SATA drive, then you need to run a Repair installation of Vista from the DVD which will NOT wipe the existing data off of the Vista Windows partition. You would probably need to run that anyway, because the hardware on the Acer mboard is probably too different.
However, you probably can't use a Vista operating system re-installation DVD that may have come with the emachines computer to that - it will probably refuse to load the operating system when it finds it's not an emachines system.

I know how to run a Repair installation of 2000 or XP, but not Vista or Windows 7 - perhaps someone else can provide info about that
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To install the SATA controller drivers while booting from the DVD,
- you need to press a key while a line is displayed on the screen while loading files from the DVD "Press xx to load drivers for 3rd party....." (in 2000 and XP it's F6) or similar
- later on you will be asked to provide drivers (if they're not built into the Vista DVD)
- you need the drivers to be on a USB flash drive, or it can look on the original CD that came with the card, but you may need to point Windows to the proper folder on the CD - it's looking for an *.inf file.

- if, when you provide drivers, there are listing for drivers for (a) chipset(s) without RAID support, and drivers for (a) chipset(s) WITH RAID support, usually you MUST install the RAID drivers for the chipset if the chipset supports RAID, even when you're not going to be using the RAID support - the drivers for the chipset without RAID support will usually not be deemed acceptable, if it supports RAID.
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Whatever way, you will probably need to load drivers for things that are not built into Vista that the Acer system needs.

After Setup is finished you must load the drivers for the mboard, particularly the main chipset drivers, in order for Windows to have the proper drivers for and information about your mboard hardware, including it's AGP or PCI-E, ACPI, USB 2.0 if it has it, and hard drive controller support. If you have a generic system and have the CD that came with the mboard, all the necessary drivers are on it. If you load drivers from the web, brand name system builders and mboard makers often DO NOT have the main chipset drivers listed in the downloads for your model - in that case you must go to the maker of the main chipset's web site, get the drivers, and load them.
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The SATA drive controller card has it's own bios. When the card is installed, you will see a line on the screen while booting "Press xx (key) for Raid Setup" or similar, and there will be about a 5 second delay while booting while that line is on the screen. Ignore that if you are not going to be using RAID.

(If you DO connect at least two hard drives to the SATA card, if you DO want to set up a RAID array, usually you must set up the RAID array BEFORE you install an operating system on the RAID array).
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BELOW

If you install both XP and Vista on the same computer...

- you need to be made aware that if you install both XP and Vista (or, probably, both XP and Windows 7) on the same computer, ALL the System Restore restore points in Vista (or, probably, in Windows 7) are LOST (deleted) , EVERY TIME you boot XP, by default.
The best workaround for that is to buy a third party boot manager program that can HIDE the Vista Windows partition from XP while booting XP, rather than using the built in multiboot feature of XP or Vista. E.g. I use BootIt! N.G. ($35 US) , and there are instructions on the maker's web site for how to set it up to boot both XP and Vista (or both XP and Windows 7)
The only workarounds Microsoft has for that situation is to use Bit Locker, which is only available to you if your Vista version is Ultimate or Business, or another workaround that doesn't work for everything.

- Vista (and probably Windows 7) can see all the partitions on the hard drives, but XP can't see partitions that were made by Vista in My Computer or Windows Explorer, at least, it I know for sure it can't see the Vista Windows partition when Vista made it.
If you make all the partitions with XP, you can install Vista on any of them, and XP should then be able to see all partitions.

- Vista (and probably Windows 7) always sees itself as having it's Windows partition being installed on C when it's booted, no matter where it's installed, for the first installation of it. If you want XP to see itself as having it's Windows partition being installed on C when it's booted too, it will be a different partition, and you should install XP first when no connected drive has any partitions that have already been assigned drive letters by 2000 or up, or, if the hard drive already has multiple partitions some of which have already been assigned drive letters, use a partition manager program to HIDE the other partitions from the XP CD, BEFORE running Setup. .


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#17
September 3, 2010 at 13:04:48
As per #12 above.

"Keep your boot drive connected to the motherboard".


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#18
September 3, 2010 at 13:57:29
OtheHill said:

"As per #12 above.

Keep your boot drive connected to the motherboard".
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If you don't want to boot an operating system from a SATA drive connected to the SATA card............

- set the bios Boot Order or similar settings to boot from the onboard drive as you normally would, if it's not already set that way. Normally you list CDrom (or similar) before a hard drive, so you can boot from a bootable optical disk if it's present while booting, but CDrom does not necessarily have to be first in the list.

- once the SATA card has been installed, the operating system will find the SATA card (New Hardware) the first time you boot the computer after that - allow it to search for drivers, and if it doesn't have the drivers for that card's SATA controller chipset built in, it will ask you to show it where the location of where the card chipset's drivers are.
You need to provide the CD that came with the SATA card - Windows is looking for an *.inf file on the CD - you may need to navigate on the CD until you find the the right *.inf file (the drivers for XP and Vista may be different, in different locations).

- if, when you provide drivers, there are listing for drivers for (a) chipset(s) without RAID support, and drivers for (a) chipset(s) WITH RAID support, usually you MUST install the RAID drivers for the chipset if the chipset supports RAID, even when you're not going to be using the RAID support - the drivers for the chipset without RAID support will usually not be deemed acceptable, if it supports RAID.


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#19
September 3, 2010 at 15:34:27
Thanks for all the tips guys! BOTH THE ACER AND THE EMACHINE ARE VISTA HOME PREMIUM. I am not a rocket scientist and I already was getting lost reading what you wrote because I really dont know what most of these things mean?In regular language can I put this adaptor in and hook up a sata wire lead connector that says ata 26awg with 2 male ends one to the new adaptor I am putting in the Acer that is Vista and the other end to the Vista hard drive from my e machine THAT i AM PUTTING IN THE ACER DESKTOP and hook up the connector from the power supply in the Acer that says P9(flat connector with yellow,black,red,black wires)the same plug that is connected to the hard drive that came with the Acer and is in the Acer.And then plug the Acer desktop power supply back in and turn it on.Then do I put the Driver CD-ROM(ROSEWILL) that came with the Adapter that I just installed in the acer and it will run me through the set up process?? My manual that came with this adaptor says windows Vista driver installation(and it says xp also but I dont have xp on either of the harddrives) The first install choice is for- new windows vista/xp (that I do not have xp) systems then it says fresh installation.NEXT CHOICE add windows vista/xp (that I do not have xp) driver on original booting device.I think its # 2 because I am still going to use the hard drive that came with the ACER but all I am trying to do is add the second hard drive from my E-machine so I can have all my information that was on the emachine.So the directions in the adaptor manual for adding windows vista driver on original booting device says
1-After the sata raid pci host adaptor and attached drives are configured,Boot up windows
2-At the found new hardware wizard,check install from a list or specific location(advanced) then click next
3-Insert driver CD.Check Include this location in the search,uncheck the other box,type in E:\ and click browse
4- Points specify a location,example E\:SATA Raid_2Port\Sil3x12\
Any of this sound right? Should I just call a computor tech to do this so I dont screw it up?? Thanks Again,Kurt

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#20
September 3, 2010 at 16:23:11
Did you already perform the above?

So, is your new drive showing up?

Look for the new drive in Disk Management. You will need to partition and format it there.


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#21
September 3, 2010 at 17:08:09
"E\:SATA Raid_2Port\Sil3x12\"

If that's where it says the Vista drivers are, and if the chipset on the card is Silicon Image 3x12, x being one of several possible numbers, then those are the correct drivers.

Are you booting from other than the SATA drive from the emachines connected to the card on the Acer ? - if so, see response # 18
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If you want to be able to boot from the present Vista installation on the SATA drive from the emachines computer connected to the SATA card on the Acer, see response # 16
- you must be able to select SCSI in the bios and set the bios to that
If you can do that....
- you must run a Repair installation of Vista from a Vista Premium DVD, if you want to save the present contents of the Windows partition on the drive.

If you CAN'T do that, you need either an operating system to be on an IDE drive and boot from that drive on the Acer, or you need to get a SATA to IDE adapter and forget about using the Rosewill card.
If you go for the latter, you will have to run a Repair installation of Vista from a Vista Premium DVD, if you want to save the present contents of the Windows partition on the drive. You will have the advantage of being able to set up a dual boot configuration when both drives connect to the onboard IDE.

"BOTH THE ACER AND THE EMACHINE ARE VISTA HOME PREMIUM."

Use the operating system re-installation DVD for the Acer model, NOT for the emachines model, if you have that/those,
or - use a regular Vista Premium DVD, or a regular Vista whatever DVD.

The operating system re-installation DVD for the emachines model will probably NOT install on the Acer model, and visa versa.

If you are asked for the Product Key, if you're using the re-installation DVD for the Acer model, use the one on the Acer's Microsoft label - that Product Key will also work with a regular OEM DVD - that has "For distribution with a new PC only." or similar printed on it, or use the Product Key that came with the regular DVD if that's what you're using.
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OtheHill said:

"Look for the new drive in Disk Management. You will need to partition and format it there."

You said..

"....all I am trying to do is add the second hard drive from my E-machine so I can have all my information that was on the emachine."

If you haven't deleted the data on the hard drive from the emachines computer, if there's nothing wrong with the drive, the contents of the drive will show up in Computer and in Windows Explorer.
You DO NOT need to partition and format the drive in Disk Management in that case.
However, if you or any user was using a password on the emachines computer, you will probably get Access Denied (or similar) messages when you try to open up some files or folders, or ALL files and folders.
In that case , you need to "Take Ownership" of the folders and files you get the Access Denied messages for (remove the user access protection from the files) .
Search for: Take Ownership Vista
on the web to find out how to do that in Vista.


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#22
September 4, 2010 at 07:27:26
Well the hard drive from the e-machine is installed in the Acer now.I went to Disc Mangement and this is what it shows for the drives let me know if I need to change something?
DISC 0 456.76GB
9.76 GB HEALTHY EISA CONFIGURATION
ACER (C) 228.13 GBNTFS HEALTHY(SYSTEM BOOT,PAGE FILE,ACTIVE CRASH DUMP,PRIMARY PARTITION 228 CAPACITY FREE SPACE 162.88

DATA (D) HEALTHY PRIMARY PARTITION 227.87GB FREE SPACE 210.95

DISC1 10GB ESIA CONFIGURATION
OS(K) 288.09GB NTFS ACTIVE PRIMARY PARTITION 288.09GB CAPACITY 213.95GB FREE SPACE
All of my acer information is on the C drive I dont know what the D drive is?and there are just 4 old things on that? and I am assuming that the drive marked OS(K) IS THE DRIVE that I just put in from the emachine.It has the programs that I had on the emachine when I open it up all the pictures and documents that I had on the emachine are not there under Pictures and documents.When I click on pictures on this letter K DRIVE I get alist of all the pictures that I had in the ACER or (C) drive already.So it is like I get the same pictures if I search from the drive in the ACER or the drive that was in the emachine DRIVE OS(K) I really thank you all for your help!! Born


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#23
September 4, 2010 at 08:06:14
Drive letter assignments are determined by a process that I won't bother to explain here. Just understand that the drive letters most likely will change when introducing another hard drive into the system.

You probably need to take ownership of the files/folders on the second drive. Look at the link below for help with that.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/6...

The EISA partitions are diagnostic and/or restore partitions.

The Acer D partition must have been created sometime in the past and appears to have 17GB of data on it.

What do want to accomplish now? Do you want to keep both hard drives in the current computer? If so, I suggest you take ownership and consolidate your files. Use the second drive for backups. Not the ideal setup but it will protect your files in most cases.

edit-forgot the link

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/6...


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#24
September 5, 2010 at 10:45:50
As I said above...
"....if you or any user was using a password on the
emachines computer, you will probably get Access Denied (or similar) messages when you try to open up some files or folders, or ALL files and folders "
...on the emachines hard drive when you boot from the Windows installation on the Acer hard drive ...
" In that case , you need to "Take Ownership" of the folders and files you get the Access Denied messages for (remove the user access protection from the files) ."

You may need to "Take Ownership" of files and folders on the emachines drive as OtheHill has stated.
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Going by your info, this is probably your situation.....

Disk0 - the original Acer physical hard drive
total size (in Disk Mangement) 465.76GB (manufacturer's size probably ~ 500gb)
(I believe you made a typo - 10.76 + 228.13 + 227.87 = 465.76, not 456.76).

Partitions - 3
- (no logical drive letter) - 9.76 GB HEALTHY EISA CONFIGURATION
- (logical drive letter) C - 228.13 GB NTFS - FREE SPACE 162.88 GB
- (logical drive letter) D - 227.87GB NTFS ? - FREE SPACE 210.95

(all drive letters in the operating system are logical drive letters)

Disk1 - the emachines physical hard drive
(inferred) total drive size ~ 298gb (~ 10gb + ~ 288gb)
(manufacturer's size ~ 320gb ??)

Partitions - 2
- (no logical drive letter) ~ 10GB ESIA CONFIGURATION (probably supposed to be EISA)
- (volume label) OS - (logical drive letter) K - 288.09GB NTFS ACTIVE PRIMARY PARTITION 288.09GB CAPACITY 213.95GB FREE SPACE

The (logical) drive letters E, F, G, H, I and J were probably not available when you attached the emachines hard drive to the Acer computer and then booted, so Windows chose the next available drive letter alphabetically - K - for the one visible (to Window's Computer and Windows Explorer) partition on the emachines drive.
E.g. if you had two optical drives, an installed in the case card reader with 3 slots each of which is assigned a drive letter, and a USB flash drive or USB external drive plugged in at the time, the emachines drive is assigned K.

The original software installation on the (usually) single hard drive that comes with brand name computers usually has two partitions, one of which is usually much smaller than the other one. The smaller partition can be either the second partition or the first partition.
Depending on the brand name's wishes, that smaller partition may or may not be assigned a drive letter.
If that smaller partition is NOT assigned a drive letter, which is usually the situation, you can't see that drive in Windows in Computer or Windows Explorer, but you CAN see it in Disk Management, or when you run Setup from the OS disk.
If that smaller partition IS assigned a drive letter, which is NOT common for an original brand name software installation, you can see that drive letter in Windows in Computer or Windows Explorer, but you are often prevented from altering it's data, or are strongly discouraged from altering it's data.

In the case for both the Acer and emachines hard drive, that smaller partition is an EISA partition and has not been assigned a drive letter.

In the case of the Acer hard drive, it has two large partitions that have been assigned drive letters as well as the smaller EISA partition.
Either - the drive came that way,
or - the drive originally came with just two partitions, the EISA one and one that occupied the rest of the drive capacity that was assigned C, and someone has used Disk Management in Vista to shrink the size of the C partition, and has software partitioned and formatted the unallocated space made available by doing that and the D drive letter was assigned to that partition.

You can shrink, or expand if un-allocated space is available, the size of a partition, on the same physical drive, in Disk Management in Vista or Windows 7 (in the operating system itself) without losing the data already on the partition, but you can't do that in / with the operating system itself in XP and previous without losing that data - you must use a third party program to do so.

The EISA partition has a purpose - e.g. on a HP laptop I worked on it is for a feature where you can play music with it.
If you are never going to use whatever feature the EISA partition supports, you can delete that partition in Disk Management in Vista or Windows 7 and increase the size of the partition adjacent to it to use the unallocated space made available by doing that.
Or you could just leave it as is - it's small.

Sometimes, more likely for older original brand name software installations, the smaller partition is a Recovery partition that contains all the data necessary to reload the larger partition with it's original software installation. In that case, you should NOT delete that partition, or alter it's data contents, if you want to be able to re-load the original brand name software installation, unless you have made a Recovery disk set (by using a brand name supplied program already on the computer to do that ), or the computer came with a Recovery disk set, with which you can re-load the original contents of the hard drive (you would need the Recovery disk set in any case for a new or otherwise blank hard drive).

In this case, both EISA partitions are probably too small for them to be Recovery partitions.

If in doubt, find out what the EISA partitions are for.

In any case, the EISA partition on the emachines hard drive is probably useless to you, unless you boot Windows from that drive.
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"the drive marked OS(K)"

If a label (volume label) has been assigned to a partition by a user, that label will be shown beside the drive letter.
That same label is shown for the same partition in Computer or Windows Explorer.

"the drive marked OS(K) IS THE DRIVE that I just put in from the emachine.It has the programs that I had on the emachine when I open it up all the pictures and documents that I had on the emachine are not there under Pictures and documents."

The user's pictures and documents etc. on a drive partition you are NOT booting Windows from that has had a Windows 2000 and up operating system installation installed on it are listed under
(d):\Documents and Settings\(user name)\My Documents
in this case
K:\Documents an Settings\(your user name on the emachines computer)\My Documents
for your own user stuff.

That's where most users personal stuff is by default -
(d):\Documents and Settings\(their user name)\.........
unless you deliberately saved stuff to elsewhere, such as in a folder directly attached to (d):, or to another partition.

If you search in Computer or Windows Explorer for e.g. all pictures and have the search settings set to only look on C, which isthe default, and you are booting from the Windows installation on the Acer drive, it's only going to find pictures on the C drive, the original C drive on the Acer hard drive.
If you have the search set to look on all drives, it will find the pictures on other drives as well.

Some programs are set by default to look on all drives when you search, e.g. for . pictures or media
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If you don't want the drive letter to be K for the visible partition on the emachines drive, you can change the drive letter assigned to any drive partition, except the one for the Windows partition of the Windows installation you booted from, in Disk Management, to any available drive letter (C to Z). If the drive letter you want to use is not available, you can change the drive letters of other drives to make it available.


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#25
September 5, 2010 at 12:30:48
Hello!!
I would just to thank you all for your help!!!! Now I have both hard drives in one computer and all the information from the emachine and acer in one computer the Acer.I did some digging around in the OS(K) hard drive and under users I found all the information,pictures,documents and everything that was in the E-machine from the hard drive.I clicked on the users and saved that so it shows up on my desktop in a folder and now I can just click on it and everything shows up very easy! Not sure if that was the correct way of doing it but it works well and easy!Once again thank You! couldnt have done this with out your help!Born

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#26
September 5, 2010 at 12:52:07
Thanks for the thanks. We don't hear that often enough.
You're welcome to use our help.

As I said...

"Some programs are set by default to look on all drives when you search, e.g. for . pictures or media " , or if they aren't, they can be configured that way.

E.g iTunes, Windows Media Player, programs that can find pictures, images, or media.
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Why was there / is there two visible partitions on the Acer drive?
It's a good idea to install data you don't want to lose on a partition other than the one that is the Windows partition, or better still, if you have more than one hard drive, on a partition on another hard drive, or install the same data on two partitions.

The following was meant for 2000 and XP - similar applies for Vista Windows 7 ....

When you have only one hard drive ....

Windows Setup defaults to making only one partition on a hard drive (or, a brand name software installation usually has only one visible partition on the single hard drive) .
The problem with that is if you ever need to re-load Windows (or the original brand name software installation) from scratch, you lose everything on the partition Windows was installed on, and when you have only one (visible) partition on the hard drive, that's everything on the drive - unless you copy the data you don't want to lose to elsewhere BEFORE you install Windows from scratch (most people don't bother, and lose all their data) .
If you're installing XP from a regular CD, it's recommended you make at least TWO partitions on the drive.
How to make more than one partition on a hard drive, when you're installing Windows on a blank hard drive, or when you are deleting the existing partition(s) on a hard drive before you run Setup .....
See Response 3:
http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...

In Vista and Windows 7, you have the option in the operating system itself (in Disk Management) of shrinking the original one visible partition to make un-allocated space available, which you can software partition and format to provide another partition (or other partitions) on the same physical hard drive.


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