Solved Lag spikes in every game

August 28, 2012 at 12:46:48
Specs: Windows 7, AMD FX-8150 8-core @ 3.60GHz. 8GB RAM
I'm suffering from a quite weird problem,
Already since my I got my new PC (Since end April this year) I got lag spikes in almost every game (except in very light games).
It doesn't matter if it is an online game, or just offline.

The lag games up after every serveral minute(s), and the duration of the lags are like 10 to 20 seconds long,
The frames per second from frop 60 to 8-15fps.

While the lag spike is starting, the temperature of both CPU and GPU is fine.
The CPU usage of the games raises like 10-20%, and the overall CPU usage is like 70-80%.
The GPU usage drops from 95 to 20%.

I also tried to use another HDD, with 7200RPM, that should be fine in my opinion.
And I tried to update my GPU drivers too, but that didn't make sense too.

Here are my specs:

Power supply: Corsair CMPSU-600CX V2
Motherboard: ASRock 970 Extreme3
CPU: AMD FX-8150 (8-core) @ 3600 MHz
CPU Fan: Cooler Master Hyper212 Evo
GPU: Asus ENGTX560 Ti DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5
RAM: Corsair 8 GB DDR3-1600

This computer should be able to run games like GTA IV, Battlefield 3, ArmA II, Max Payne 3 etc without problems, but I'm suffering from lag spikes with all these games.


I hope someone has some advice for me.

Thanks in advance!
Joshoon.


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September 1, 2012 at 05:47:36
Find your CPU and follow these instructions for reinstalling your heat sink:
http://www.arcticsilver.com/amd_app...
You (or someone) probably installed the heat sink with too much or too little thermal compound or it is not torqued down evenly. Any disturbing of the heat sink means that you need to completely remove, clean both surfaces, and reinstall it.

If this does not help (it should), you are running too much voltage to your CPU and need to back off on it. One method of increasing stability during overclocking is to increase the voltage a little bit, but this comes at the 'price' of additional heat. whether this was done for overclocking or accidentally in the BIOS, it needs to be corrected.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.



#1
August 28, 2012 at 21:22:28
Games lagging are often related to graphics cards, or insufficient power supplies. Your graphics card should run most games on fairly high settings and the power supply should be sufficient to power it. I did notice many complaints by consumers of problems on both of these on NewEgg's site though.
Check your BIOS settings for your CPU settings, memory settings, PCIe slot, and even SATA hard drive settings. Some of these can cause some problems.
Other than those, I really cannot think if anything else right now.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#2
August 29, 2012 at 02:46:25
Thank you Fingers.
A friend of mine also looked up some information about the issue I experience.
He found out that I had to turn of CPU Thermal Throttle in the BIOS, I've done this, and I had no lag spikes for now.
But I will keep testing this, and if I experience lags again, I will follow some more of your instructions, and see what settings suits the best.

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#3
August 29, 2012 at 15:43:32
I have been messing around in the BIOS today a lot, turning off the power saving settings etc etc.
Sadly this did not make any sense.

At last I found out, while I got the lag spikes, the CPU frequency decreased from 3.8GHz to 1.4GHz (from multiplier 18x to 7x) for a few seconds, and the voltages from 1.275v to 0.850v.
This is exacly what causes the lag, but now the question is, what causes this to the CPU.

Also CPU Thermal throttle is turned of, and cool 'n quiet, and that doesn't make sense too.


Got any more suggestions for me?

Thanks in advance.


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#4
August 29, 2012 at 20:27:19
Thermal Throttle and Cool 'n Quiet should only kick in when the CPU is running too hot (Thermal Throttle) or being under-used (Cool 'n Quiet) so should not have an effect during gaming. There may be other energy saving options that are there in your BIOS but I do not know AMD as well as Intel. There are a few things that those of us who overclock turn off to improve stability that might help, but as I said, I know Intel better.

Remember that you should be under warranty so do not spend too much effort on this if you can bring it back and get it right. If this does turn out to be a bad component and you do not take care of it now, you may have to pay for fixing it later if you wait too long or mess around too much with it.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#5
August 30, 2012 at 02:20:25
I have been looking around with a friend for any other power saving options, sadly there are no other options available.

Actually it seems its something like thermal throttle causing this, but that is turned off in this situation.


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#6
August 30, 2012 at 19:46:21
Do not overlook the possibility that your either your power supply or your graphics card is performing below standards.
Install HWMonitor to monitor voltages, temperatures, and fan speeds to see if you can narrow down the possibilities. Make sure that during gaming, your temps do not peak out too high, your fan speeds are reasonable and speed up if the corresponding temps go up more than a little bit, and you do not get voltage drops below what would be acceptable.
If those check out OK you can try mildly overclocking the video card and see if it makes things better or worse.
Report back results.

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#7
August 31, 2012 at 02:36:22
I found out that the CPU is stable when the temperature is below 67/68 celsuis.
When it reaches 68 degrees. It starts downclocking and slowing down my game with the lag spikes.

I didnt know that 68 degrees was already too much for a CPU like this.
If that is true, then I should consider about taking watercooling maybe?


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#8
August 31, 2012 at 20:10:41
"Maximum operating temperature 61°C"
as per:
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulld...
Water cooling may not be the best answer and certainly not the easiest.
Post the cooling you currently have (fans, heat sink, case) as there may be a simpler answer. You may just need to get a high air volume case fan and/or a better CPU air cooled heat sink. You may actually have air turbulence caused by too many fans that is reducing your cooling efficiency. One high volume exhaust fan high in the rear of your case should be all you need. A front intake fan down low may not be needed but can help cool hard drives and graphics cards and will not generally interfere with the air flow. Side fans however CAN interfere though. Air volume on your exhaust fan(s) should be higher than the total of any intake fans if you use them. Bottom mounted power supplies may cause a need to a higher volume upper exhaust fan or the addition of a top exhaust fan.

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#9
September 1, 2012 at 03:35:32
My cpu fan is a Cooler Master Hyper212 Evo, and I have a CM Storm Enforcer case.
It has a quite big fan in the back, and a huge one in the front.

But you think a water cooling system would not make any sense to keep the temperature below 61 celsuis?
Because this was the only solution a friend could give me.


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#10
September 1, 2012 at 05:47:36
✔ Best Answer
Find your CPU and follow these instructions for reinstalling your heat sink:
http://www.arcticsilver.com/amd_app...
You (or someone) probably installed the heat sink with too much or too little thermal compound or it is not torqued down evenly. Any disturbing of the heat sink means that you need to completely remove, clean both surfaces, and reinstall it.

If this does not help (it should), you are running too much voltage to your CPU and need to back off on it. One method of increasing stability during overclocking is to increase the voltage a little bit, but this comes at the 'price' of additional heat. whether this was done for overclocking or accidentally in the BIOS, it needs to be corrected.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#11
September 1, 2012 at 06:57:33
What you've just explained there, I've been doing that one hour ago, and it works!
I removed the fan and heatsink from the CPU, and the thermal paste was quite dry, and not nicely spread out over the CPU.
People at a shop built this PC for me, so blame them :P.

I spread out the thermal paste nicely with a card, and attached the heatsink and the fan on a different way.
Because it was pointed down, now it is pointed like this: http://bluechipcomputers.com/wp-con...

(It's not my system, but it's the same setup with the fans like I have now)

Afterwards, I changed some values of the CPU clocking in the BIOS.
Because AMD has something called 'turbo core', so I decreased that, and also their voltages from 1.400 to 1.275.
Now my CPU runs under a stresstest with 3592MHz, and the temepratures are between 57 and 66 max.
And the CPU does not downclock anymore! ^^

It seems like the problem is solved here.
Conclusion: Fan was pointing the wrong direction, termal paste was a little dried, and voltages might be a little too much.

I might consider to buy watercooling system later on, it might improve the temperatures even more, and then I might be able to overclock it a little more.


Thanks for all the help Finger!


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#12
September 1, 2012 at 16:45:32
You did not look for your CPU on the link I supplied, you should have used the middle dot method rather than the spread method to ensure that you do not get air bubbles or gaps in the compound. When you use the dot, it spreads out from the pressure of the contact and pushes all of the air out as it spreads. You also may apply too much when you try to spread it out. You may be better off than with the way they had it, but you may not be optimal on your thermal contact.
You are right about the CPU fan, it should be blowing towards the rear exhaust fan, not the other way. I also think that now you are going the right way on the voltage, it only needs to be high enough to ensure stability. As soon as you reach the overclock you like, try lowering the voltage until it becomes unstable, and then raise it just enough for stability in all situations. When a machine is overclocked by a shop, they would not want to take the time to find the best settings so they go with the voltages that will always work without stability complaints, but that leads you to the higher voltages and more heat (as you have seen). Proper overclocking is a systematic process to get the best balance in performance for you and the way you are using the computer. It cannot be done by wrote in a shop because to take the proper amount of time would cost them too much money so they take shortcuts.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#13
September 1, 2012 at 16:51:31
I'm stable on 3,8GHz with a voltage of 2.275.
If I want to overclock even more, I should consider buying a water cooling system I guess.

For now, Im glad that I can play games again without huge lag spikes!


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#14
November 22, 2012 at 15:59:31
im getting lag spikes on all my games too. i have an old 2002 computer. but im running games that my specs can handle. my specs are radeon hd 4670 agp. pentium 4 2.0ghz with 1024mb ram. and i have fans everywhere in my computer i have about 6 of them running. please help me

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#15
November 23, 2012 at 12:42:12
Just...allen: Begin your own post. This is an old one that has been marked as solved.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#16
February 8, 2013 at 12:44:21
Ha?
i use 990FX extreme 4+FX8150
8gb team elite ddr3 1600
but dtected 6gb only
dunno where 2gb goes
cpu temperature 21 celcius-max 33celcius
non air conditioner room

crazy asrock invention
8core can that cool

i gv u sum tips
try check c1 c2 c3 c4 c5 state
and s1 s2 s3 s4 s5 s6 state

i hv tried before...
800mhz clock with phenom II x6 1055t
4gb ram
rum bf3 smoothly

no lags
watt usage quiite good anyways

~im interested in underclock~


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