ide for win95 cannot be installed in your comouter

May 19, 2016 at 09:39:02
Specs: win 95
i have a fanuc 160i cnc (486) was running on 98 then showed up 1780 hard disk error. so we decided to replace hard drive (ide) partitioned for smaller count on another pc loaded win 95, now using a usb floppy emulator to boot win 95 on actual machine. hard disk spins but after windows 95 startimg message it comes up with windows cannot be installed on this computer no hard disk or special driver is needed

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#1
May 19, 2016 at 09:40:02
oh yes bios does not detect hard drive 0

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#2
May 19, 2016 at 12:22:17
Did you properly set the master/slave jumper on the HDD? Why are you using a usb floppy emulator & why did you pre-format the HDD in a different PC? Please explain more clearly. To install Win95, you generally have to boot from a Win95 boot floppy to load the CD-ROM drivers, then using DOS commands, change to the drive letter assigned to the CD drive & then launch Windows setup from the DOS prompt by typing SETUP & pressing Enter.

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#3
May 19, 2016 at 19:34:23
What size drive did you replace it with? Most 486 bios' won't see a drive larger than about 540 meg.

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#4
May 19, 2016 at 19:40:10
I haven't set any jumpers/Hdd settings , I don't kno how to ! The ide has the old 2line 40 pin connectors.
The CNC had a floppy drive and no cd rom. Floppys are difficult to come by now so changed it to a usb emulator. Hence had to set up windows on another machine.

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#5
May 19, 2016 at 19:43:30
Yes I read about the size limit of 2.1 gigs for mine, but my problem is earlier the bios would show hard drives upto 4gigs as installed. Now it says not installed. The bios does not recognise the Hdd.
Installing Windows may require partition, which we did pre format on another machine to count just 2gigs

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#6
May 19, 2016 at 20:05:18
IDE drives have 3 settings--master, slave or cable select. How to jumper them as such is usually on the drive label. If not you can google the model number. What is the model number? I'm suprised a 486 bios will see a 4 gig drive. It's not connected to a Promise add-on card is it?

Just to be clear--you took a drive from another computer and put it in the 486?

The original windows 95 verson would only see fat16 partitions. It's setup wouldn't see a fat32 partition, although the bios should see the drive OK.


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#7
May 19, 2016 at 20:20:49
What is the purpose of the Win 95/98?

If it is only to run legacy apps consider using a Virtual Machine on Win7,8,10 machine with at least 4Gb memory to run the Win95/98 on. It takes away the hardware problems.
Run the host OS and the VM OS simultaneously with the possibility to exchange files between the 2 OS's.

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#8
May 22, 2016 at 00:57:11
Its a grinding machine with a 486 processor. We earlier had 4 gig hdd running without any jumpers. Windows 95 is what starts up and then the cnc boots up. other than that there is no application for the windows 95. maybe to load the cnc backups like sram ether etc. I am a novice so forgive my presentation.
the programs are run from another pc which transfers it to this cnc.
we now have a 3 gig hdd which has been partitioned to 4 ...500, 1gig, 1gig and 500mb again.
problem is the bios still does not detect the hard drive 0.

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#9
May 22, 2016 at 03:11:37
Check if your HDD has something like this:
http://cdn.makeuseof.com/wp-content...
On the label of the IDE drive there should be a similar drawing showing the jumper setting.
Set the jumper to MASTER (I assume the HDD cable only has 2 connectors)

Make sure the power is OFF when disconnecting the drive. If you disconnect the HDD cable from a powered IDE HDD the controller can get damaged.


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#10
May 22, 2016 at 03:31:32
It's a TOSHIBA MK3212MAT
it is a 3 Gb ide and has no jumper settings. We still tried all the possible ie master slave and cable settings the bios still did not detect the Hdd. The Hdd has been partitioned on another Pc. Now my question is does my bootable need to have device drivers for this new hard disk ?? If yes where can I get it from and how can I transfer it to a USB floppy emulator

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#11
May 22, 2016 at 06:02:28
This looks like a mobile disk (2.5').

It should not matter if the disk is partitioned. BIOS should be able to see it. No problem with (flat?) cable?
I assume the HDD is spinning up?

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#12
May 22, 2016 at 06:26:42
Ok will try this ! We have replaced this Hdd a few years ago and probably installed win98 on it taking a random Hdd from a laptop,, and I don remember making any partitions etc etc it was fairly easy!
Now we re-partitioned the Hdd to FAT32 (for 98) and it booted to a virtual MS Ram C Drive , is this of any help to run win98 and CNC progs ? The virtual drive is it the same as u guys talk about virtual
Machine ? How

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#13
May 22, 2016 at 16:37:32
It doesn't matter what is on the drive. As long as it is not detected in BIOS, nothing you can do on that drive. can you post some snapshots of the BIOS settings and perhaps a picture of the physical setup? Just to get a better idea...

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#14
May 22, 2016 at 22:08:34
hey can you please tell me how can i share the snapshots? there seems to be no link to upload it here.
a mail address or any other idea.
thanks sluc

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#15
May 22, 2016 at 22:10:39
and yes hdd is spinning up...we checked the cable seems fine on all pins

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#16
May 23, 2016 at 00:14:32
The ram drive is not the same as a virtual machine. Most bootdisks create a temporary drive carved out of your system ram to load some of its utilities. It will choose the next available drive letter after valid dos partitions on the hard drive. Since it chose C: that means it's not seeing a partition on a drive, which is to be expected since the bios isn't seeing a hard drive at all.

A couple sites to upload photos:

http://www.photobucket.com/

http://imgur.com/

So this 'fanuc 160i cnc' is a laptop?


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#17
May 23, 2016 at 01:28:32
No it's not a laptop it's a proper CNC

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#18
May 23, 2016 at 02:01:44
thanks DAVEINCAPS

here are the pics guys

http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/B...


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#19
May 23, 2016 at 22:49:35
The switch was turned to 2, and thus the CNC boots to startup separately and Hdd boots separately. So while the Hdd is still not detected I can use my CNC, with a CNC screen function running on another PC networked to the CNC. Now have to look for a hitachi Hdd close to the one we had as original ! Will update progress upon success

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#20
May 23, 2016 at 22:50:45
Thank you for your help boys, really appreciated

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#21
May 24, 2016 at 00:40:19
Have you tried to run fdisk utility from the dos prompt?

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#22
May 24, 2016 at 01:06:51
There's only a few reasons why a good drive isn't recognized by the bios--the drive isn't compatible (probably because of its size) or there's a jumper or connection problem. Yeah I think it's best you try to find a drive like the one originally used.

For what it's worth you can install 98 on a drive in one computer and then move it to another but it's kind of a hassle. First the way the partitions are set up must be compatible with both computers. Then after the installation make a folder on the drive and copy the contents of the WIN98 folder on the cd to the drive. When you move the drive to the other computer and boot it the OS will recognize all the new hardware and begin installing new drivers. At some point it will ask you to insert the 98 cd but it won't be able to read the disk because the cd drive won't be set up yet. It'll then ask where else to look for the drivers and you direct it to the WIN98 folder you copied from the cd and it will find what it needs there.

Oh, fdisk won't work if the bios isn't seeing the drive.


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#23
May 24, 2016 at 01:42:12
Running Fdisk says no fixed disks present

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#24
May 24, 2016 at 02:21:29
Possible hardware failure of the disk interface on the controller board.


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#25
June 6, 2016 at 15:29:07
I would advise you to try an independent computer shop to find a 540MB IDE drive. The BIOS in your 486 can't configure that drive. Even back in the day the drive makers came out with drive overlays in order to use somewhat larger capacity drives.

I do remember installing a 540MB and letting the BIOS configure it. Came out at something like 508MB.

There should still be plenty of old smaller hard drives sitting on shelves. Any shop that has been in business for some time should have some too.

Another option might be resale shops or flea markets. You may need to buy a complete tower to get the drive.

Click on the link below for ideas. Remember you need a 3.5" IDE/ATA drive, not 2.5". The 2.5" are for laptops and probably require an adapter.

https://www.google.com/search?q=buy...


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#26
June 6, 2016 at 18:26:39
Reverting back to everything, your drive should be "seen" by your BIOS in order to do anything like fdisk.

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