IDE drive caddy

December 21, 2009 at 14:54:00
Specs: Windows 7, celeron 1.6 1 gig
Hi All

I have just fitted a internal ide drive caddy so i can use some of my old IDE hard drives as backup drives, but alas i can't get it to work, power lights is on & i can here the drive spin up when i first slide in the tray with drive in it, but can't see it in my computer i have checked ide cable seems to be in fitted ok (brand new one) I thought it might be jumper setting as it was set as master so i removed pin still nowt. Its a pluscom mr-ab, i have two hard drive in comp, both using sata & dvd uses sata so this is only ide device i have, running win 7 64 bit. any help muchly appreciated. Thanks


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#1
December 21, 2009 at 15:02:56
Hey,
So your OS cant detect it, i get that much.
But what about the BIOS? I don't have a clue who your motherboard manufacturer is so i cant be certain but im guessing it would probably say what drives are connected if you go into the BIOS menu and locate 'Advanced' OR if you open the boot menu upon first loading your computer (Default key is F12) and select hard disks, you might be able to locate them in there.

The thing is, and im pretty certain this is only windows Vista +, you now basically need to tell your computer to manually assign drive letters to any hard disks that arent automatically detected and added -- with my 2 weeks experience of W7, i noted that this is probably all drives over about 64GiB but dont hold me to that.

So when windows boots; hit Start=>Right Click My Computer=>Hit Manage (You might need to give UAC permition, dunno)=>Storage=>Disk Management(Patience, its slow to connect to the virtual disk service sometimes)=>Select the disk you wish to enable at the bottom, right click the partition you wish to enable (Most people only have one partition set up on the drive in the first place) and hit either Assign Drive Letter or Change Drive Letter And Paths.

Goodluck, hope this helped, it might not be right because that was entirely off the top of my head but im hoping thats what you were after.

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#2
December 21, 2009 at 15:11:54
I don't think IDE drives can be hot swapped so swap while shut down. Also, Western Digital have a Master alone jumper setting.


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#3
December 21, 2009 at 15:15:57
Thanks arukk,
it doesn't show up under disk managementjust my 2 sata connected drives are there but nothing else, my motherboard is a gigabyte & i dont think it is showing in the bios my 2 drives & dvd are, as below.

ide channel 1 master dvd
ide channel2 master hard drive
ide channel 3 master hard drive

have checked all cables & they are seated ok have tried the caddy drive as master & slave still nowt, am stumped.


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#4
December 21, 2009 at 15:20:54
Hio othehill

It doesn't matter if i hot swap or turn off then on still not able to see it & as above have tried drive as master & slave, drive am trying to use is a seagate will try another drive a wd to see if that makes any difference.


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#5
December 21, 2009 at 15:20:54
Your IDE ATA controller may not be enabled in the BIOS.

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#6
December 21, 2009 at 15:35:52
Checked bios ide controller is enabled

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#7
December 21, 2009 at 15:52:23
Try a different cable. Should be using an 80 wire/40 pin cable. Those have Black for board, grey in center, blue on drive end (usually).

You may need to enter the BIOS with the drive connected and try to force the BIOS to configure the drive.

Drive should show as IDE master on channel 0.

I never used an IDE caddy. Are there any jumpers on it? I can see where it might. Two caddies on one cable for instance. Just a stab in the dark. Verify the power cable is good. Drive should spin up as soon as computer is switched on.


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#8
December 21, 2009 at 16:08:18
Haven't got another cable to hand so will try when i get one. No jumpers on caddy. Power light is one & when i inset caddy i can hear drive spin & cooling fan comes on. Bios, had a quick look while drive connected nothing on ide channel 0 & i can't see a way to make it look/force it.

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#9
December 21, 2009 at 16:17:09
Do you have a listing for IDE channel 0? If it is set to auto then set to something else, save and exit. Then return and reset to auto. If that doesn't work then try manually setting according to parameters on the drive label.

You might also check the BIOS for I/O settings. May find that in integrated peripherals.

Cable isn't turned end for end or connector upside down (not easy but possible)?


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#10
December 22, 2009 at 06:38:43
I do have alisting for ide channel 0 nothing is set to it i have tried turning of auto then redoing it but no joy What am i looking for under integrated peripherals

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#11
December 22, 2009 at 06:51:33
Should be settings for the IDE controller/s PIO mode & DMA mode.

Try temporarily connecting the drive directly to the cables to eliminate the caddy. If the BIOS doesn't detect a drive then there will be no listing in the drive section. Possible causes are defective or incorrectly jumpered drive, no power to the drive, bad or incorrectly connected data cable, controller, I/O settings.

Did the caddy come with any instructions?


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#12
December 22, 2009 at 08:09:36
Connected drive straight to ide cable win 7 found it on first boot up so cables ok reattached them to caddy same problem so as i have 2 caddys thought this one faulty so tried other, same problem, v annoying.

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#13
December 22, 2009 at 11:32:08
The caddy MAY require that you jumper the drives differently. Are you sure the connections are even being made when you slide in the drive.

You didn't answer if the caddy came with instructions.


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#14
December 22, 2009 at 12:04:19
Connections all seem ok when i tried drive straight to ide cable i then kept case open & connected caddy, looked at all connections as i did it & all looked good & seated in place. Did come with instructions but only basic "slide tray open insert drive in case attach cables " etc they did say drive should be set as master but that didnt work. Tried manufactures web site totally u/s, tried sellers tech support "is the drive formatted" was about the best response i got, they happy to take back as not for what they described for, so it seems that is that.

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#15
December 22, 2009 at 12:09:50
What size is the hard drive you were trying?

Seems like the caddy should just be a straight through connection but maybe there is some circuitry involved.


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#16
December 22, 2009 at 13:46:07
Tried two drives a seagate 30gig & wd 250gig. Looks a straight throu connection, power & ide plug into back of caddy it then has a long oval shaped connecter on inside (internal bit), slide tray in which has a smaller oval connector at back, this then sits inside larger oval & when lever on front of caddy is pressed down it pushes right into oval so making good connection. Connection is good watched when had case open & it went straight in with a good fit.

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#17
December 22, 2009 at 14:06:31
Are the connections on the back of the caddy polarized so that they can't be connected wrong?

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#18
December 22, 2009 at 14:13:49
There are only 2 connectors on the internal bit, one for the ide & one for the power, on the tray that drive sits in, it is the same one for power & one for ide, so you cant get it wrong or mixed up

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#19
December 22, 2009 at 14:23:36
Not possible to invert the connectors?

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#20
December 22, 2009 at 14:26:26
No not possible, the two connections you need to do are totally different.

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#21
December 22, 2009 at 14:28:29
No, not interchange the connectors, invert the plug. (flip over)?

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#22
December 22, 2009 at 14:30:34
Sorry dont know which plug you mean, the power is curved one edge & ide has a notch on, the connector for the caddy & tray will only go in one way cant be put in upside down

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#23
December 22, 2009 at 14:46:23
That is what I was asking. That is what polarity means. If the connection is straight through then the drive must not be mating up in the caddy.

You stated the instructions said to jumper as Master. That is not necessarily the same as no jumper.


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#24
December 22, 2009 at 14:52:46
Sorry getting v annoyed, have tried with jumper, without, set to master, slave & cable select on both drives. As far as i can see & i had a good view when case undone tray is meeting caddy & pushing well in i have 2 caddys & both not worked tried each one with other tray in all combinations

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#25
December 22, 2009 at 15:00:27
I understand, but I am making an assumption that those caddies are supposed to work. Trying to guess at what might be stopping that.

So there is a tray? Is it possible for the tray to be inserted upside down? Do you have a link to the caddies?


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#26
December 22, 2009 at 15:03:07
Thanks for the help othehill.

Tray the drive sits in cant be put in up side down. link in included

http://www.storagedepot.co.uk/Hard-...


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#27
December 22, 2009 at 15:13:58
Looks like a nice unit.

Specs mention both a green power light and a red data light.

Above I think you mentioned the green light working but not the red. Is that right?

Also the specs mention what operating systems the caddies work with. I don't understand what the OS would have to do with it. There was no disk included was there?

Have you looked in Device manager for any sign of the caddy or the drive?


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#28
December 22, 2009 at 15:16:57
Green light lights up so its getting power, no red light but i think that only comes on when reading / writng to drive. No sign of it in device manager or disk management. No disk included.

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