IBM Thinkpad 560 no OS

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April 10, 2010 at 20:22:24
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I bought a IBM ThinkPad 560 off ebay and there was no OS install. I was wondering how do i install a OS onto the laptop? I have a window 7 and a window 98 cd but it does not have a cd rom nor does it have a usb slot. Someone please help me with what product i could buy or how to install the OS on my computer.

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#1
April 10, 2010 at 21:06:56
Did you realize what you were buying? It's probably an old DOS/Win3.1 machine, possibly Win95. Is it the plain 560? Not a 560e, 560x or 560z? Does it at least have a floppy drive?

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Categ...


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#2
April 10, 2010 at 21:26:13
It only say 560. The model is 2640, and no it does not have a floppy drive but PCMCIA slot on the side

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#3
April 10, 2010 at 21:33:32
There should be a type number on the bottom label like "Type 2640-xxx".

What's that type number?

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#4
April 10, 2010 at 21:36:25
type 2640-10U

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#5
April 10, 2010 at 22:37:37
You may be getting a false message.

Make sure your boot order settings are right.

See Response 1:
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...


If that's all right, and you still have no OS, your laptop probably cannot meet Windows 7's minimum requirements, but you could install Windows 98 on it, by connecting your hard drive to another computer by means of a simple inexpensive adapter or by installing it in an external enclosure, etc. etc. However, Win 98 and 98SE frequently require files from the CD. You would be much better off if you got yourself an internal CD drive for it.


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#6
April 11, 2010 at 07:32:23
You didn't answer whether you knew what you were buying or not? I hope you didn't pay much because it ain't worth much. You are going to need several external devices to go with it.

I got a 141 hits when searching the IBM/ Lenovo site:

ThinkPad 560 search results


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#7
April 11, 2010 at 11:13:19
Jam i bought it off ebay for 25dollars, it wasnt much. I cant check my bios right now because i dont have the charger with me but TubesandWires said "connecting your hard drive to another computer by means of a simple inexpensive adapter"
can you link me to how the inexpensive adapter looks like so i can purchase it

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#8
April 11, 2010 at 12:20:24
Search for: laptop ide to desktop ide adapter
or
2.5" ide to 3.5" ide adapter
or similar

E.g.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

http://www.newegg.com/product/produ...

http://insidecomputer.stores.yahoo....

You don't necessarily have to buy it off the web - local places probably have it, in which case if you pick it up there's no shipping charge involved. Smaller local places that custom build computer systems and have lots of computer parts are more likely to have it for cheaper.

The laptop's hard drive may have an adapter that plugs into the header that must be removed to reveal the pins in the header.

You connect the desktop computer's IDE data cable to the adapter, and the adapter's male molex connector to a standard female molex power connector from the power supply.

The laptop drive is seen as master by default. If you connect it by itself on a data cable, e.g. to the secondary IDE header on the desktop mboard, it will be recognized fine.

If you connect it to a data cable that has another IDE hard drive on it, there are 4 pins on the laptop drive's header that don't plug into the adapter - you install a jumper on two of the 4 pins to jumper it to slave if the other drive is set to master, or onto another two for cable select if the other drive is set to cable select, or you just set the other drive on the data cable at the back of the drive so it's slave, no jumpers needed on the laptop drive.
There may be info on the label on the laptop drive about what pins you jumper for slave or cable select - if not, see the hard drive manufacturer's web site for that model's jumper info. Note that you may need a smaller than standard (standard = for 1/10" spaced pins ) jumper - local laptop repair places should have that.

I did some searching and apparently your 560 first came out in 1996 ! and probably had no cd drive option. I'm not using any computer or mboard anymore that first came out before 1999.

You will probably need to partition the drive using FAT32 and format it, if it isn't already formatted, then copy only the \win98 folder and it's contents from the 98 or 98SE CD, or all the folders and their contents but not the files in the root directory of the CD of the 98 or 98SE CD to the partition, when hidden files and folders and protected operating system files are showing in the operating system on the other computer (so the contents of the CD are always on the laptop drive; usually the files Windows wants are in the \Win98 folder), then boot the other computer with the 98 or 98SE CD and type Setup and install 98 or 98SE on the drive,
(Note that Win 98 and 98SE's Setup can't recognize NTFS partitions - if all the hard drive partitions on the other computer are NTFS, Setup will only see the laptop drive's FAT32 partition), then install the hard drive in the 560, and Setup will install what is needed for the different main chipset and at least devices on the laptop, enough for Windows to be able to get to the desktop. Then you need to install the specific drivers needed for the laptop model that are found on the Lenovo web site, then go to the Microsoft Update web page and install the updates found by the Express search .
.....

Note that the version of Internet Explorer that Win 98 and 98SE comes with (4.x and 5.x respectively) no longer works on the internet properly. You need to install a newer version of IE - the highest supported version for ME and below is IE 6 SP2 - you can install SP2 for IE 6 by searching for Express updates on the Microsoft Update page after IE 6 has been installed .

You can get the full install for IE 6 from here:
http://www.oldversion.com/Internet-...

Since you don't have a CD drive on the 560, you should get that download BEFORE you transfer the laptop drive back to your 560, and place it on the partition on the laptop hard drive, then run the IE 6 installation either before or after you transfer the drive to your 560 computer.

OR if you have a USB flash drive, and if your 560 has working USB ports, 98 and 98SE have no built in support for recognizing flash drives, but you can install generic USB drivers that provide that support, then copy anything you like to a flash drive on another computer, and then copy the software onto your computer from the flash drive.

Get the download for these generic USB drivers BEFORE you transfer the drive to back to 560 computer .

The details.

Windows 98SE and previous Microsoft operating systems have NO built in support for recognizing flash drives; Windows ME was the first Microsoft operating system that did.

It used to be flash drives came with Windows 98, and/or, more often, 98SE drivers that you could install, but that's no longer the case. You can still download 98SE drivers from a few flash drive manufacturer's web sites, but I've found these drivers to be a better solution.....

If you're not sure whether you have Windows 98 or 98SE, RIGHT click on My Computer - Properties.
Whether it is 98 or 98 Second Edition is shown on the right on the first page you see.

Generic USB Mass Storage drivers.
These allow many USB devices that have no drivers for 98 and 98SE to work in those operating systems.

Win98SE
http://www.technical-assistance.co....

Win98 original, modified from the 98SE version.
http://www.technical-assistance.co....

Both say:

"Remove ALL drivers for USB flash drives in Device Manager"

NOTE that I have not had to Un-install previously installed drivers.
If you want to do that, those are listed in Control Panel - Add/Remove Programs.

The 2.x versions support the recognition of many USB devices.
The 3.x versions also support the recognition of USB 2.0 controllers.

NOTE that the 2.x versions have NO Un-install; the 3.x versions DO - in Add/Remove Programs.

After you have installed these drivers, after you have plugged in or installed a USB device that hasn't been plugged in or installed before, you are prompted to have Windows search for drivers - do that, it will find the drivers, and that same USB device is detected automatically when it's plugged in or installed after that.

These drivers work for many devices, but there are some they can't detect.
E.g. Apple never made drivers for their devices for previous to Windows 2000, so an iPod , iPod Shuffle, iPod Nano, etc., cannot be recognized.
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#9
April 11, 2010 at 15:31:20
More recommended downloads for 98 or 98SE.

The Flash player is needed for many web pages

Get Flash Player 9 from here, the highest version supported by ME and below
http://www.oldversion.com/Macromedi...

Some web pages load a lot slower when Adobe Flash is enabled in 98 and 98SE when you have a slower computer, including pages on Computing.Net.

This is a small program you can install and use to toggle Flash on and off. It only works for IE, and you must exit IE to change the state of FlashSwitch - toggle Flash on or off.
www.FlashSwitch.com
You get error messages on some web pages when Flash is toggled off, but you can often still click on something, or Cancel the error message, and go where you want to go anyway.

You may need the Shockwave Player, especially if you play games on the web.
I believe the newest one - highest version - here is the last one that's supported by ME and below.
http://www.oldversion.com/Adobe-Sho...
( I don't think it's on the Adobe web site )

You will need something to read pdf documents - e.g. mboard manuals, device manuals, program manuals.

Get Adobe Acrobat Reader here, 5.05 still works to read almost all pdfs despite any messages you may get about fonts it can't read, and it's easier to use than 6, in which you get frequent messages to update it. http://www.oldversion.com/Acrobat-R...
(it's no longer on the Adobe web site)

You will need something to open zip files.

WinZip 7 is the first version of WinZip that can support WIN 95 and up's long file and folder names, it's relatively small, and it still opens almost all zip and self executing zip (.exe) files
http://www.oldversion.com/WinZip.html
(it's no longer on the WinZip web site)
........

An alternate internet browser.

Netscape 9.0.0.6 is the last version supported by ME and below - I'm using it in 98SE.
Netscape 9.0.0.6 is based on Firefox 2.0.0.12 .
It works better than IE 6 SP2 for most web pages.
http://www.oldversion.com/Netscape....
or
http://sillydog.org/narchive/

Note that you will get a Shockwave Flash error message in Netscape occasionally if you use FlashSwitch and it has toggled Flash off.

If you get that, I recommend you install these add-ons...

Some web pages load a lot slower when Adobe Flash is enabled in 98 and 98SE when you have a slower computer, including pages on Computing.Net.

Flashblock 1.3.15
Disables Adobe Flash features from loading on all web pages, without you getting messages about Flash being disabled - if you want to see the flash feature, click on the gray circle with the F on it

Web pages can have a lot of Java Script that makes the page load a lot slower in 98 and 98SE on a slower computer.

YesScript
Switches off Java Script on any specific web page or web site you choose. A scroll icon in your Netscape taskbar lower right allows you to toggle disabling a web page or web site from using Java Script, on the fly - when you change the state of that, go to another web page, come back to the web page.

Disables Flashblock from loading, which uses Java Script.

When I use this for www.Computing.Net , there are no ads at all, the pages load at max speed !

Get them here:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/pages/sandbox




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#10
April 11, 2010 at 16:49:35
Those came with an external floppy drive; connects to a proprietary connector at the left center of the laptop.

Here's one that should work...

http://www.trianglelaptops.com/p-54...

There are some on ebay too.

To transfer the files you need to install an operating system like Win95 or 98, the easiest way is to copy the install folder to the hdd and install the OS from that folder. For that operation, the easiest way is to copy the necessary files over a network. For that you'll need a 16bit pcmcia network card. Here's one that's never failed me.

http://www3.shopping.com/xPO-Belkin...

Now your $25 investment is approaching $100 and you'll still need an operating system whether it be DOS/Win3.x or some flavor of Win9x.

Depending on how much memory that thing has installed, you may be able to install your copy of Win98. But even with the memory maxed out at 72Mb, Win98 will struggle when connected to the internet with IE6 or FireFox.

http://www.crucial.com/upgrade/comp... 560/list.html

And if you need to add memory to that thing, your investment goes up again.

My efforts with "no floppy/no cd" laptops began a few years ago and I loaded everything via the MS-DOS interlnk/intersvr program over a null modem cable. Problems are it ain't easy and it takes a lot of time. A lot of time; like over 30 hours to copy the Win98 install folder and a bunch more time to copy drivers, and necessary programs like acrobat reader, winzip, and so forth.

So, the decisions you have to make involve how much money you want to spend and how much research and time you're willing to give this project.

The laptop to desktop adapter Tubesandwires linked to above is the cheapest and easiest way to get everything on your hdd.

One other option not mentioned yet is to put the 560 back up on ebay and sell it.

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#11
April 11, 2010 at 17:21:27
I open up my ibm to take out the hard drive. Its a model DTNA-22110. Do you know how much gb is in it and what window could be install in it? I really just need the laptop to watch videos online or type stuff up. I dont need this laptop to play any games

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#12
April 11, 2010 at 17:23:45
Also i will be using my desktop which is Acer aspire 5100 to do the installing. Im going to purchase http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...
but is there any videos on how to do it because im new to this stuff and i dont want to screw up

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#13
April 11, 2010 at 18:22:29

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#14
April 11, 2010 at 18:44:17
could window 7 be install in that hard drive or i need a bigger one? If so how much does a used 60-80gb hard drive go for?

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#15
April 11, 2010 at 19:01:21
Absolutely not. The computer will not run Windows 7. Depending on how much memory you have, it may not even run Windows 98.

I don't know how large a hard drive you could use but it won't be a lot more capacity than what you have.

You gotta realize that little laptop was never designed to run even Windows 98 much less anything newer. It was designed to run DOS/Win3.x or possibly Windows 95.

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#16
April 11, 2010 at 21:02:17
This Thinkpad 560 isn't really worth spending any time or money on.

I looked at the user guide for the 560 - search for 560ugd.pdf on the Lenovo site.

It mentions only DOS 7, Win 3.1, OS/2 Warp, and Win 95 for operating systems.

CDROM-1 is mentioned as a boot option, but the manual says nothing else about a CDROM drive.

There is no mention of USB.
"nor does it have a usb slot."
I missed that.

Y cord required for external keyboard or mouse - neither will work connected directly to the keyboard/mouse connector.

It's PCMCIA slot is 16 bit only, so you can't use Cardbus (32 bit) PCMCIA PC cards in the PCMCIA slot - as far as I know there's no such thing as a 16 bit USB 2.0 PCMCIA controller card, although if you searched on the web you might find a used USB 1.x one.

The external floppy drive is shown - it connects to a proprietary (oddball) port.

That says it has 8mb of ram built in, and a single ram slot, which up to a 16mb DIMM module can be installed in, for a total or 24mb, which is displayed on the startup screen in kb - 24192kb max

The Kingston web site shows you can install up to a 64mb DIMM module in the ram slot, 8 or 16mb built into the mboard, for a total max of 72mb or 80mb, for 2640-1xU,2xU,5xx
"On the ThinkPad 560 Series you must have a BIOS version date of 11/6/96 or later to use the KTM760X/64 module."
They have no modules.:
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/con...

The Crucial web site shows the same module sizes, 8mb built into the mboard, for type 2640. They have no modules.:
http://www.crucial.com/store/listpa...

Memory Giant has modules, for 2640-1xU,2xU,5xx
"On the ThinkPad 560 Series you must have a BIOS version date of 11/6/96 or later to use the 64mb module."
Says 8 or 16mb built into the mboard
http://www.memorygiant.com/index.cf...

Memory Giant has a separate listing for 560Z 2640-Bxx/9xx , same modules, so 2640-10U is not a 560Z
.......

So - max 80mb, if the mboard has 16mb built in and you have a new enough bios version and the compatible 64mb module.

Win 98, the original version, may be okay with 72 or 80mb, but I know 98SE only works as it should if you have 96mb or more installed - it works very well with 128mb installed - below that 96mb amount the hard drive is accessed a lot more, and the hard drive can't run at it's full rated max speed.

"I really just need the laptop to watch videos online or type stuff up."

I have 98SE, 256mb of ram, a K6-III 450, and a Radeon 7000 64mb video card, and I can't run some recently made video on the web in IE 6 SP2 or Netscape 9.0.0.6 - e.g. I can't play recently made You Tube Videos. The problem is mostly because you can't install newer browsers in 98 or 98SE, and IE SP2 is no longer supported by some web sites.
Your Thinkpad has a much slower cpu, the video is nowhere near as good, you can't install more than 80mb of ram, etc., etc. A lot of the videos on the web will be terrible - skips, dropped frames - if it plays at all.
You would be able to type stuff up fine.

Win 98 or 98SE would fit on the 2.1gb drive, but you would have as little as a third of the space left after Setup was finished.

A look on the web finds new drives up to 80gb listed for the 560, and one 160gb drive, so far, but you may need to flash the bios to the newest available version to support hard drives larger than 137gb manufacturer's size.

E.g.

http://www.gaebler.com/Axiom-80GB-H...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-160GB-IBM...


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#17
April 12, 2010 at 16:22:16
I mean like i could probably find a window 95 online and install it to the hard drive using my computer. What type of ram does this laptop use? I want to get the best ram there is for this laptop, but dont want to overpay it.

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#18
April 12, 2010 at 16:49:45
window 95 is less than 30mb.

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#19
April 12, 2010 at 17:10:46
You obviously have no idea what this old system is capable of (or incapable of). It will NOT run Windows 7, Vista or XP. It *may* be able to run Windows 2000, but you'd be better off sticking to DOS/Win3.1 or Win95, possibly Win98.

From what I've read, the maximum allowable HDD size is only 6GB & the max amount of RAM that can be added is 64MB. There's also 8MB of non-removable RAM, so the grand total would be 72MB.

http://www.ibmramfinder.com/ibm-not...

You should also get a port replicator, external floppy, external CD & all the necessary cables & power supplies to go with them. By the time you're done scrounging up all the parts to make it work, you'll find you would have been better off investing in something a little more modern.

I posted a link to 141 hits about the Thinkpad 560 at the bottom of response 6....I suggest you sort thru them.


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#20
April 12, 2010 at 17:37:29
I'm going to buy the adapter tomorrow and install window 95 on it. I was wondering if someone could guide me step by step on how to install it

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#21
April 13, 2010 at 12:55:19
I DO NOT recommend you install Win 95.
See below.

Answer the questions in this please -

What operating system is on the computer you're going to be connecting the laptop hard drive to ?

What version of 98 do you have - the original version, or 98SE ?

Is it a Retail Full install disk or an OEM disk (which is always a full install), or is it an Upgrade disk ? )

A Microsoft OEM disk has "For distribution with a new PC only" or similar printed on the disk.

Do you have the Product Key for the CD, or if you don't , do you have a computer that version of 98 is already installed on ?

How much ram does the laptop have now?

If you don't know....
- the amount of ram installed is apparently displayed, in kb, on the screen while booting
- the amount of ram installed is shown in the bios Setup

If you don't have enough ram, see "Memory Giant has modules......" in response 16 for one example of where you can get it.

What is the date of the bios version the laptop has?

If you don't know
- the bios version date, and/or the bios version is usually shown in the bios Setup

- the bios version date, and/or the bios version is usually on the screen while booting
- the bios string is usually a long string of numbers/letters at the bottom of the first black screen as you boot your computer - it often begins with a date - usually you can press the Pause key to read it and copy it down.
Press any key but Pause to continue booting.

- if it has a date, tell us the date.
- if it doesn't, copy down the entire bios string, and post it here

It could also be higher up the screen under or beside the bios version line, e.g. under or beside Award or AMI or Pheonix...
......

If you don't know how to get into the bios Setup,

- the key you press to get into the bios Setup is often shown on the screen in a line of text while booting, early in the boot sequence - if so, press the key while the line is still on the screen.

- in any case, the User Guide for the model tells you how to get into the bios Setup.

If you don't already have the User Guide for the 560 - search for 560ugd.pdf on the Lenovo site, and look at it and download it.
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I DO NOT recommend you install Win 95.

#1 reason:

Internet Explorer versions previous to 6.0 DO NOT WORK properly on the internet anymore - they are virtually un-usable.

Internet Explorer 6.0 minimum requirements:
Win 95 is NOT supported:
http://www.circa.ufl.edu/cd-rom/ver...

The same applies to most, if not all, older versions of other internet browsers that can be installed in Win 95 !
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Win 98 or 98SE is a MUCH better choice .

Amongst many other advantages....

- you can install Internet Explorer 6.0 in 98 or 98SE, then it can be updated to IE 6 SP2 with a download from Microsoft Update web page.
You could also install an older version of Netscape, or FireFox, that will work in 98 or 98SE.
Installing IE 6 or IE 6 SP2 installs a lot of files other than for the IE browser that are used by other programs in Windows including for other browsers - it should be installed even if you don't use IE.

- I know a lot about 98SE, quite a bit about 98, and so do some others who answer here - that can't be said for 95 to anywhere near the same extent.
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I found some info.
Apparently you could make do with your 2.1gb drive.

For the original Windows 98:

Minimum Hardware Requirements for a Windows 98 Installation
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/182751

Excerpts:

16 megabytes (MB) of memory (24 MB recommended).

- A full install of Windows 98 on a FAT16 drive requires 225 MB of free hard disk space, but may range from between 165 MB and 355 MB, depending on your computer configuration and that options that you choose to install.
- A full install of Windows 98 on a FAT32 drive requires 175 MB of free hard disk space, but may range from between 140 MB and 255 MB, depending on your computer configuration and the options that you choose to install.
- One 3.5-inch high-density floppy disk drive.
......

For Win 98 Second Edition........

same minimum ram requirement
16 megabytes (MB) of memory (24 MB recommended).

Full install of Windows 98 on a FAT16 drive: requires
260 MB of free hard disk space, but may range between
210-400 MB depending on system configuration and
options selected.
Full install of Windows 98 on a FAT32 drive: requires
210 MB of free hard disk space, but may range between
190-305 MB, depending on system configuration and
options selected.

One 3.5-inch high-density floppy disk drive

CD-ROM drive
(You could make do without one but it won't be an ideal situation. In that case, at least the \Win98 folder and its contents from the 98 or 98SE CD must be copied to the hard drive. )

195 mb of free space
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It would be a very good idea for you to get the oddball external floppy drive for your 560 !!!



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#22
April 13, 2010 at 17:36:07
which adapter should i purchase?
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-5-laptop-to-3...
or
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...

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#23
April 13, 2010 at 18:15:44
03/05/1999 is the boot date

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#24
April 13, 2010 at 18:45:52
The adapter I use is like the second one you linked to.

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#25
April 13, 2010 at 19:06:48
It doesn't matter which adapter you get.
If you already have an IDE data cable on the computer with a spare connector you can connect the laptop hard drive to, the first one is fine - same goes for the one in response 12, all three in Response 8.

Both those adapters in Response 22 are cheap but they're in Hong Kong - where are you located? If you're in the US or Canada, it will take a while longer for those to get to you after they're shipped.

As I said previously, you can probably get a suitable adapter locally without having to pay shipping, if you pick it up yourself. Local places often have web sites - look in your Yellow pages under computer parts or similar - the web address is often in the ad.

"03/05/1999 is the boot date"

What do you mean by boot date?
If you mean that's at the beginning of the bios string, or somewhere on the first screens as you boot, then you can install the 64mb modules - your bios version supports it.

Please answer the rest of the questions in Response 21.


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#26
April 13, 2010 at 19:57:52
What operating system is on the computer you're going to be connecting the laptop hard drive to ?
window 7
Is it a Retail Full install disk or an OEM disk (which is always a full install), or is it an Upgrade disk ? )
full installer
How much ram does the laptop have now?
64mb

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#27
April 13, 2010 at 20:11:27
Good, but...

What version of 98 do you have - the original version, or 98SE ?
Second Edition is printed on a 98SE CD.

Do you have the Product Key for the CD, or if you don't , do you have a computer that version of 98 is already installed on ?

""How much ram does the laptop have now?""
"64mb"

You may have a 64mb module, which is good since that's the max you can install and you won't have to buy ram, but the mboard has either 8mb or 16 built into the mboard, so the total ram amount is either 72 or 80 mb.


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#28
April 13, 2010 at 20:17:21
What version of 98 do you have - the original version, or 98SE ?
Original i have the cd key

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#29
April 13, 2010 at 20:36:28
98SE is more versatile, but 98 is still much better than 95.
There may be some devices you can't get 98 drivers for. Some things don't have support for 98 and/or 95, but they do have support for 98SE and above. Many 98 drivers are the same as 95 drivers. Some 98SE drivers are different, there are more of them available than for 98, and sometimes they're the same as ME drivers. If you have the choice of 98, or 98SE or 98SE/ME drivers, use the 98 drivers. If you have the choice of 95, or 98SE or 98SE/ME drivers, choose the 95 drivers. If 95 drivers are listed but not 98 drivers, 95 drivers usually work.

When you have the laptop drive connected to the desktop computer via an adapter, you'll need to find out whether it's already software partitioned and formatted or not, and whether it's software partitioned using FAT (FAT 16) or FAT32. FAT32 software partitioning uses the hard drive space more efficiently - FAT (FAT 16) uses 32kb for a file on a 2.1gb drive, FAT32 uses 4kb for a file on a 2.1gb drive, minimum.

I don't have Windows 7 on a computer, but I do have one with Vista - many things are the same as in Windows 7.
Control Panel - Classic View (if it's in Classic View mode, you see Classic View on the left, many icons on the right) - Administrative Tools - Computer Management - Disk Management.
You will see the laptop hard drive as a drive about 2.1 gb in size (it will be a bit smaller than that). It will say on the box whether it is FAT or FAT32 if it has been software partitioned and formatted, or it will say unallocated - what do you see there ?


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#30
April 14, 2010 at 07:37:32
It would be a very good idea for you to get the oddball external floppy drive for your 560 !!!

You need at least that, because eventually you will need to be able to boot from something other than the hard drive, otherwise you're screwed when you can't boot from the hard drive - you would have to connect the drive to another computer again. .

Search for something such as : external floppy drive thinkpad 560

E.g.

http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-ThinkPad-56...

http://www.trianglelaptops.com/p-54...

Once you have that, you can boot with many different bootable floppies, and with the help of something such WinZip 7, you can even load things, or make backup copies of things, that won't fit on one floppy by making a multiple disk (spanned) set of disks.

If your Windows 7 desktop computer does not have a floppy drive, it's also a good idea to have a new or used standard floppy drive for it and a floppy data cable for that - almost all desktop mboards still have the floppy data cable header on the mboard and the bios still supports connecting one.
........

I looked on the web for 16 bit PCMCIA USB 1.0 or 1.1 controller cards - I didn't expect to find USB 2.0 ones - many are looking for one - they don't seem to exist. It's theoretically possible to make one but the max data transfer rate would be a lot slower than standard USB specs, and it seems no manufacturer has bothered to make one.
See:
http://www.sycard.com/pcard_qa.html...


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#31
April 14, 2010 at 10:28:59
I've been looking for 16bit pcmcia usb cards for years; lliterally searched for days without finding a trace of one having ever existed.

So much for any easy way to transfer files.

Now, with the adapter, he can properly format the drive if necessary and get the \win98 folder and necessary drivers/other software on the hdd and reinstall the drive in the laptop.

Plan well to make sure everything necessary is transferred to the drive before reinstalling it. Folders might include but not limited to \win98, \drivers, \utils, \apps, \games, \misc, etc.

Next comes the external floppy with a boot disk so he's able to access the \win98 folder and type setup.

To connect to another computer or router, the minimum need is gonna be a 16bit pcmcia network card. A proper serial or parallel cable would also work.

I outlined all this in response 10 and jam linked to much of the required reading in response 6. This little project is going to consume more money and a lot of time.

If you really want to have some fun, choose a rugged laptop like I did. It's "o" ringed at every joint, all the tiny little screws have locktite applied and just removing and replacing the hdd takes 6 hours or so. You don't dismantle machines like that unless absolutely necessary.

That's why I used interlnk/intersvr to transfer data between two computers. Other methods of transferring data might include a pcmcia flash ATA card, a 16bit pcmcia cardflash or sd card adapter, or even a 1.8" type III pcmcia hdd. I've used all these methods and have accumulated an arsenal of 16bit pcmcia stuff over the years.

One thing for sure...you're going to learn a lot about old laptops in the next few weeks. I remember looking for a recipe for a cup of hemlock a few years back.

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#32
April 14, 2010 at 19:13:39
You would think that since there are so many people looking for a 16 bit PCMCIA USB controller card, that it would be worth some manufacturer's while to make one, even if it had less than standard data transfer specs.

I haven't used interlnk/intersvr since 1999 or so, with Dos 6.2.

I did notice while searching there still are 16 bit PCMCIA memory card readers, but can they be used in Win 98 ?

I was thinking, bare minimum, he could copy the \Win98 folder to the drive, (and the mboard drivers, and a few other things such as the IE 6 full install), and since his Windows 7 computer probably has all NTFS partitions, he should be able install 98 on the drive too from the CD on the other computer, since 98 can't recognize NTFS partitions, and because it can't, it should do no harm to the MBR on the other hard drive(s). Then, he wouldn't intially need to be able to boot with something on his computer. 98 will probably boot and accomodate to the changed hardware enough for Windows to load, then he could install any specific drivers for the mboard 98 didn't find automatically.


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#33
April 14, 2010 at 20:52:46
Yeah, that's worth a try. Might just boot when reinstalled in the laptop.

All the 16bit pcmcia memory card adapters I've seen work on any OS I have...from DOS up to XP. They (all 16bit cards I've seen) also work in 32bit cardbus slots.

My 755C will boot from pcmcia and I still have a 10Mb ATA Flash Drive with a DOS 6.22 install to boot my Itronix 6250Pro into pure dos when the need arises. I think most old IBM laptops will boot from pcmcia.

I've picked most of my 16bit cards on ebay for a song. One buy was 6 MA401 wireless cards for a little less than 5 bucks. It's just a matter of looking every day until a deal pops up.

My Itronix laptops also used a proprietary external floppy drive and they were selling for ~$60...way too much to pay to use on $10-20 laptops. Finally found one included with a XC6000 auction and got the whole thing for 20 bucks; most of it shipping costs.

I haven't needed to look for 16bit stuff for about 3 years and much of it has disappeared from the market. There's only a few items on ebay today and not much anywhere else.

Right now, best thing buttkickerz can do is download everything he can about his 560 and read everything he can find.

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#34
April 15, 2010 at 14:25:06
i just realize that i need a usb port in-order to plug in a wireless adapter to connect to the internet

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#35
April 15, 2010 at 17:06:28
You'll need to use a pcmcia 16bit wired or wireless network card instead of a usb adapter. You have no choice in the matter.

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#36
April 15, 2010 at 20:49:15
which one is stronger and cheaper?

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#37
April 16, 2010 at 08:35:17
You need something such as this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/PCMCIA-Ethernet...

http://www.vulnerabilityscanning.co...

I haven't found any 16 bit cards that are wireless, other than an oddball one that requires a base unit as well as the card.

Because if the limitations of your 16bit ONLY PCMCIA slot

- you cannot use any PCMCIA card that's 32 bit or Cardbus (= 32 bit) - it won't physically plug in
- I haven't found any 16 bit cards faster than 10mbps - that's fine for the internet, but really slow for transferring data between computers


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