Solved Ibm think pad boot problem

June 10, 2012 at 08:53:52
Specs: Windows XP (was), 32 megs
Trying to repair an old IBM Think pad for an underprivileged person, installed a new hard drive bit it will not accept any boot CD I try including windows 2000 or XP. I also tried an older home made boot CD that works on other pc's. I keep getting an error 19990305 which as far as I know means no boot device found? Bios set to boot CD then HD. Thank you.

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June 10, 2012 at 11:17:50
Identify the computer.
See the first lines in response 2 !

"The drive put in is used and a 40 gigabyte, no OS on it. "

The hard drive is not bootable when it has no OS on it - see the rest of response 2.
Ignore the last part about SATA drive controllers and drives.

When you install 2000 or XP from the CD,
- if the drive has no existing partitions, you can make one before you run Setup, then run Setup
- the hard drive will be bootable after Setup has finished.

When you boot the computer from a full version (not Upgrade) Win 98SE CD,
- it emulates booting from a 98SE Startup floppy disk.
- if the drive has no FAT32 or FAT partition on it, you must use Fdisk at the A:/ prompt to make at least one partition, then use Format at the A:/ prompt to format that partition, then you can type Setup at the A:/prompt to start Windows Setup.
- the hard drive will be bootable after Setup has finished.

If the hard drive has one or more exising NTFS partitions, 98SE (ME or previous) can't " see" NTFS partitions or read read files on NTFS partitions.
Have Fdisk display existing partitions.
Fdisk sees an existing NTFS partition as an unknown partition type or similar. Delete the unknown partition, then make at least one partition.



#1
June 10, 2012 at 09:18:27
Did you replace the hard drive with a hard drive larger than 137GB?

Post the full model of the thinkpad.


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#2
June 10, 2012 at 09:25:30
Find your specific Product number, model, and machine type, tell us what they are.

Finding my product number
http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/Fin...
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"no boot device found"

Your problem can be caused by....
- you don't have the network boot option in the correct place in the Boot Order or similar settings in the bios Setup

- you DO have that set correctly but
- the bios is not detecting your hard drive at all
- or - the bios is detecting the hard drive but it's not finding that it's bootable (has an operating system installed on it)

Also
- CD drive or similar needs to be in the right place in the Boot Order or similar list (any place before hard drive and network boot) in the bios in order to be able to boot the computer from a bootable disk with existing Boot Order or similar settings.
- reasons why your hard drive may not be detected as bootable by the bios.

See Response 1:
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...
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The same as this applies to Windows 2000....

Installing XP and SATA drive controllers, SATA drives; the SATA drive controller bios settings.
See response 2:
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...


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#3
June 10, 2012 at 09:43:01
Boot to bios and see if the drive shows as a correct entry.

Hang up and live.


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#4
June 10, 2012 at 09:46:19
All I can find on the box is IBM Think Pad 600, Pentium 11, no other details. I am a novice I think I should say - an old lady wanting to help someone. The drive put in is used and a 40 gigabyte, no OS on it. This machine was running XP but very slow, I was planning to put either win 98 or win 2000 on it for him. I work so can only work on it in my spare time which is little. I am in South Africa so help limited. Thanks for any advice I will try it as I can.

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#5
June 10, 2012 at 09:47:15
How do I do that please?
I can get to bios but cannot finmd details on HD there, only boot sequence.
I got into the BIOS, details as follows:
Bios IBET37WW 12/17/98
SYS BOARD J16QR60016X
266MHX PENTIUM 2 PROCESSOR

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#6
June 10, 2012 at 10:02:27
Cannot find any info on HD in Bios. I have got it to boot to an ultimate boot cd a few minutes ago but have NO idea how to use the tools on it and am scared now to shut it off.

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#7
June 10, 2012 at 11:17:50
✔ Best Answer
Identify the computer.
See the first lines in response 2 !

"The drive put in is used and a 40 gigabyte, no OS on it. "

The hard drive is not bootable when it has no OS on it - see the rest of response 2.
Ignore the last part about SATA drive controllers and drives.

When you install 2000 or XP from the CD,
- if the drive has no existing partitions, you can make one before you run Setup, then run Setup
- the hard drive will be bootable after Setup has finished.

When you boot the computer from a full version (not Upgrade) Win 98SE CD,
- it emulates booting from a 98SE Startup floppy disk.
- if the drive has no FAT32 or FAT partition on it, you must use Fdisk at the A:/ prompt to make at least one partition, then use Format at the A:/ prompt to format that partition, then you can type Setup at the A:/prompt to start Windows Setup.
- the hard drive will be bootable after Setup has finished.

If the hard drive has one or more exising NTFS partitions, 98SE (ME or previous) can't " see" NTFS partitions or read read files on NTFS partitions.
Have Fdisk display existing partitions.
Fdisk sees an existing NTFS partition as an unknown partition type or similar. Delete the unknown partition, then make at least one partition.


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#8
June 10, 2012 at 11:47:11
Thank you all for your willing and friendly help. I managed to run fdisk and deleted then made a partition, got it to boot to a boot disk and am formatting now but its finding bad sectors so I am back to square one and will be hunting for another used drive for this laptop. The owner is a young black man who has very little cash so I am trying to help him for nothing but I am stumbling through a field I know little about!

Many thanks again all of you, no doubt I will be back hopefully soon. Misty


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#9
June 10, 2012 at 12:58:16
Thanks for the thanks.

You could try this...

Seagate's SeaTools will test (almost) any brand of hard drive.
Do the long test.
http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...

(If SeaTools can't detect the drive controller, it can't detect the hard drive - you need to use a hard drive diagnostics program that the hard drive brand or the laptop brand provides, if avialable.)

The bootable Dos versions of SeaTools can be used even if Windows is not working properly, or even when the drive has no data on it.

On another computer, go there and download the bootable Dos version - I recommend the older version 1.09

If the laptop has a floppy drive, you can make a bootable SeaTools floppy disk, if the other computer has a 3.5" floppy drive.

Or - you can make a bootable CD from an *.iso file they provide, but you need to use a "burning" program that make a CD from an *.iso file. The one that's built into XP can't do that. There are free burning programs on the web that you can install that can do that.

Boot the laptop from the floppy disk or the CD, run the SeaTools long test.
If it finds more than 99 LBA errors, the test will quit running . There's no hope for fixing the 40 gb drive.

If it finds fewer than 99 LBA errors, you can try using the zerofill utility SeaTools offers after the test has finished to get rid of the errors (bad sectors) .
I have done that several times with drives SeaTools found a small number of LBA errors for in the long test, and SeaTools fixed all the bad sectors, or at least, the result was no bad sectors (LBA errors) on the long SeaTools test showed up after that.

Running the zerofill utility sets all the bits on the drive to 0 - it wipes the existing data off the drive.

You would need to start over from scratch to install an operating system.
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Note that there is a major disadvantage these days when you install ME or previous or Windows 2000, regarding using the internet.

Windows 98SE comes with an older Internet Explorer version that no longer works properly on the internet. It must be updated.

Windows 2000 (at least when it has no SP updates) comes with Internet Explorer 5.x, it must be updated for the same reason.

Both 98SE (98 to ME) and 2000 can be updated to Internet Explorer 6 SP1, that works a bit better than Internet Excplorer 6 on the internet,

(Download) Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down...


but.....
- you cannot install Internet Exploer 7 or 8 in either case, by default
- you cannot install newer versions of the Adobe Flash Player that many web sites use on their web pages in 98SE (98 to ME) beyond a certain version by default
- you get (Java or Windows version of Java or Windows ) script errors on many web pages, and sometimes long delays loading web pages because of those errors, because the script wasn't meant to be used with IE 6 or IE 6 SP1.

Workarounds...

You can install a older version of other internet browsers, such as Firefox or Opera, that will work better than IE 6 SP1 on the internet, however you can't install the latest versions, and it probably will still not work 100% properly.

- there is a small open source program that I discovered that you can install in 98SE (98 to ME, maybe 2000 ?) that "fools" a lot of programs into detecting a newer operating system - and you can use that program to emulate the newer Windows version when installing a program yourself . When that has been installed, you can install the latest version or at least a much newer version of an internet browser program in 98SE, and the Adobe Flash program has no problem installing versions of it newer than 98SE (98 to ME. maybe 2000) can normally have installed in it
I installed a much newer version of Opera on 98, although not the latest one, the same can be done for 98SE. That is the same situation for the latest or a much newer version of FireFox on that Win 98 computer.
(I don't know if you can install Internet Explorer 7 or 8 when you use that open source program - I didn't try that. - I doubt it. )

That open source program can probably also be installed in 2000.

If you need more info about that open source program and which versions of other internet browsers work in 98SE before and after installing it, I can find that info on the Win 98 computer. work.

I have no working Windows 2000 installation on any of my computers to test the open source program and newer internet browsers with.

Windows 2000 should be updated with SP4 updates if they're not built into it.



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#10
June 11, 2012 at 08:55:40
Thank you so very much for all this info, just came off work and you made my day. I have found another drive but can only get in about a week. The ten pound hammer has been put on hold! Down the road will let you know what happens. This old lady is very grateful for the help in language I can understand. I managed to format old drive with a few bad sectors but do not want to risk installing an OS only to have to do all this again down the road.

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#11
June 11, 2012 at 09:56:22
A few bad sectors isn't a great issue.

IBM (IBM Japan Hitachi) has a great tool to diag the hard drive or use the brands diag from their site. They have what they call smart test to tell you how good the drive is. Best way to tell.

Hang up and live.


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#12
June 11, 2012 at 09:59:44
Try using SeaTools to get rid if the bad sectors as I described.
Or - Hitachi's diagnostics may be able to do that too.
If using the zerofill (or similar) utilty fixes the problem the drive will probably not develop any more "visible' bad sectors.

I also have recycled older computers for the use of people who have little money to spare, mostly disabled people, but I've found computers as old as the one you're fixing up yield very poor performance in XP.


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#13
June 12, 2012 at 10:00:55
This one was running XP, but very slow - the owner asked me if I could make it go faster;-) Hence I am going to load win 2000 with the service packs, I think it will run better. He is a novice user so going back to an old OS is no big deal. Owner isn't disabled, works for the rehab centre I help run, but he earns little and has a child to raise. I admire you for helping those less fortunate, not everyone can afford the latest pc's. It will be about a week before I get the new drive, will post an update then. I did get the Sea tools program you recommended last night, will try it when time permits, thank you.

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#14
June 12, 2012 at 13:03:15
If you provide the info I asked for at the beginning of response 2, I could advise further,

although......

"Specs: Windows XP (was), 32 megs"

.....in any case it would make a great deal of difference if you installed MORE RAM.

ME and previous (98SE, 98) work very well (as they were designed to) when there is 128 mb or more installed; they don't seem to benefit from more than 256 mb unless high end programs (that most people don't have) have been installed.
I've been using 98SE since the beginning of 2000. I know from having tried various amounts of ram and having used some benchmarks and other tests in 98SE that if 96 mb or less is installed the hard drive WILL NOT be able to reach it's full max burst data transfer speed (e.g. 33, or 66, or 100, or 133 mbytes/sec), and there will be a lot of thrashing of the hard drive (excessive hard drive activity) because the Windows swap file must be used a LOT more than it would if you had 128 mb or more installed.

2000 has a lower minimum recommended ram amount than XP does, however, if you can't install at least 256 mb of ram, you should install 98SE, NOT 2000 !

I've only installed 2000 once, and I have no 2000 CD of my own.
However, I have worked on other people's computers that had 2000 installed, and there are many things in it that are the same or very similar to the same things in XP.

XP just barely runs as it should (as it was designed to) when 256 mb of ram is installed - for any amount of ram less than that, there will be a lot of thrashing of the hard drive (excessive hard drive activity) because the Windows page (swap) file must be used a LOT more than it would if you had 128 mb or more installed.

The slower the computer, the more obvious the difference in performance when you install more ram. A fast system (2 ghz CPU or more) will run XP very well for most people's uses if at least 512 mb is installed - for systems slower than that, the more ram above 512 mb you can install, the more obvious the difference in performance, although I do NOT recommend that more than 3 gb is installed.


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#15
June 13, 2012 at 09:49:09
Thanks for that. Sadly this is Africa, even if I could afford to buy more RAM I highly doubt I would be able to find any for a machine this old. Will Load 98 when the other drive arrives then.

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#16
June 13, 2012 at 13:55:24
If you can install 98SE you're better off installing that rather than 98, the original version, in many ways.
98 and 98SE have no built in support for recognizing USB flash drives, but you can install generic drivers for that, and for recognizing many other types of USB connected devices. . More info available about that if you want it.


If you provide the info I asked for at the beginning of response 2, I could advise further.

Laptops haven't been able to use 32 gb modules for a long time, so I supect the laptop model was made before 2000 or so. There may be no one who has ram for it locally, unless there's somone who specializes in having parts for old computers, but there's lots of used ram on the web you could buy cheaply. I could show you some examples if you provide the info I asked for about the laptop.

My Uncle was a missionary doctor in Africa years ago, in Uganda, before Idi Amin. .


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#17
June 14, 2012 at 10:24:38
Only product number I can find is as follows:
Think Pad 600
S98-3801-2

Then the numbers
NPE 2645-57A
S/N 78-XN417
11/98

However my eyesight is not the best anymore. My income is very limited and I have no access to internet banking so will have to pass on finding RAM. I think he will be happy enough to just have it running again, thanks all the same.


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#18
June 15, 2012 at 10:37:04
"However my eyesight is not the best anymore."

Neither is mine - my eyes can't focus properly on tiny text anymore. Use better lighting and something to magnify the text, as I do, if you need to, although your model is so old that the label may be worn or it's text has faded and it's hard to make out it what was originally on the label.

Go here:
http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/pro...

If there is a product listed, click on Clear Selection if it's not Think Pad 600 (2645)
or Think Pad 600 (2645-51A)

General Support

Type: 2645 in the Quick Path box
Click on Find My Product
Refine your selection - Select Think Pad 600 (2645)
........

Specific Support

If you access the web site on the Think Pad 600, you can try using the Run Auto-detect feature there.

Otherwise...

Click on the Find Product tab on that page

Laptops and netbooks

Think Pad 600 series

Machine type 2645

Model 51A
(There is no 57A listed on the Lenovo USA support site - if you did not mis-read that, there may be a 57A model via using some other Lenovo regional support web page.)
......

In either case, only look at info for Think Pad 600, NOT info for models with something after 600, at least some of which DOES NOT APPLY.

memory options
http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/pro...

For Think Pad 600 - 16 mb, or 32 mb, or 64 mb, or 128 mb modules
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http://www.memorystock.com/memory/I...

Think Pad 600 Memory Specifications
Standard Memory 32 MB (non-removable)
Maximum Memory 288 MB
Memory Expansion 2 sockets
Memory Comments SDRAM SODIMMs
CPU Type Intel Mobile Pentium II
Model Comments 100MHz FSB

The Think Pad 600 series has 32 mb of ram built into the mboard - therefore, your laptop has no ram modules at all installed in it, or if it does, none of them are being recognized.
They're supposed to be 100 mhz / PC100 modules.
The PC133 spec itself is backwards compatible, but other things have to be compatible in order for a PC133 module to be compatible with your mboard and run at PC100 specs / 100 mhz - SOME PC133 / 133 mhz modules will work , but NOT all of them.

"My income is very limited and I have no access to internet banking so will have to pass on finding RAM. "

Used Ram this old is often relatively cheap.
If the ad says you can pay via PayPal, if you establish a PayPal account, if you have no access to online banking, or if you could have that but chose not to do that, you can specify a bank account at a specific bank.

Searching for ram.

E.g.

eBay South Africa
http://global.ebay.com/

Set country to South Africa at the top of the page

Search for Thinkpad 600 memory 128
Or Think pad 600 memory 128
Set Sort results to Lowest price plus shipping

e.g. "hit"

128MB IBM ThinkPad A 390X 600X i1400 T20 T21 RAM Memory
http://global.ebay.com/128MB-IBM-Th...

$7.99 US, $6 US shipping to South Africa, or click on the blue highlighted South Africa to choose another African country
........

Yahoo South Africa
http://za.yahoo.com/

There may be similar regional Google or other search engine web sites for more African countries.

Yahoo Advanced search
http://search.yahoo.com/web/advance...

Set country to South Africa to attempt to find "hits" only in South Africa.
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Guides and Manuals

Users Guides

User's Reference Guide Think Pad 600
http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pu...

User's Guide Supplement Think Pad 600
http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pu...

Technical Reference Manual Think Pad 600
http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pu...

Think Pad 600 UltraslimBay hard disk drive adapter user's guide
http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pu...

Guide for Think Pad 600 models that came with Win 98
http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pu...

Windows 98 Second Edition setup guide - ThinkPad General
http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/gui...

Microsoft Windows Me support guide - ThinkPad
http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/gui...

Windows ME Setup Guide
http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pu...

Windows 2000 Setup Guide
http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pu...


Hardware Maintenance Manual
http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pu...


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