I need a dual dvi card for XP ?

Hewlett-packard / A1314n
February 28, 2009 at 15:27:48
Specs: Windows XP, amd athlon X2 4gb
I need to get a dual dvi video card for windows XP WHAT can you suggest? are the ddr2-3 cards for vista only using the ddr fast ram? i,m running pc3200 ddr sdram? what is the best way to hook up my lcd t.v and lcd monitor dual dvi or a single with a splitter?

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#1
February 28, 2009 at 15:55:42
See this - the same applies to you, except a DVI video splitter box and DVI video extension cable costs more money, you have a PCI-E X 16 slot available, and your present power supply probably has a 300 watt rating :
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...

The type of ram the video card uses has got nothing to do with the type of ram your mboard uses - a video card primarily uses only it's own ram. Onboard video is NOT a video CARD, it's just a video chipset, and it has no ram of it's own - it shares the mboard ram.

Web sites such as newegg.com or tigerdirect.com have a large variety of video cards - you should be able to find one that has two DVI ports that's within the range you don't mind paying.
A PCI-E X 16 card will yield you much better much performance than a PCI one, but make sure you check out what the minimum power supply ratings for the card are on the card manufacturer's web site - you may need a PS with more capacity.

There are very few if any video cards that have only Vista drivers - if you want to confirm that look at the card's specs on the card manufacturer's web site for what op systems it can be used with (newegg.com and newegg.ca has a link to that page for the card you are looking at an ad of on their site, in most cases, under Manufacturer Info).

If you're in Canada it will cost you less in total shipping costs if you order from newegg.ca or tigerdirect.ca or any Canadian web site (otherwise, if you order from a US site - newgg.com doesn't ship to Canada - if the site uses UPS shipping you get whacked with an extra UPS shipping charge ( if it uses a cheaper shipping method you at minimum pay at least an extra $5 "customs" fee, plus GST) once the shipment crosses the border, and in all cases, you wait up to a week longer in shipping time.)


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#2
February 28, 2009 at 17:51:18
thanks tubesnwires for the reply I FORGOT to mention I have a 650watt power supply so it's down to what's the best card in a dual DVI card to get what's the best brand name i,m looking at cards on ebay ati and nvidias at great prices around $50 average for a 256meg card with a fan i don,t want a fanless card and don,t think i should go higher than 256mg or i might have problems*MY goal is to wath FREE tv/movies online through a lcd tv so i need a good card but Idon,t know what's the max card to get for a XP P.C on 32 bit
I wanna switch to 64 but I don,t know how to thanks

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#3
February 28, 2009 at 18:32:47
I'm biased towards ATI chipset cards. Their hottest one right now for a single card is the 4870 X2 (two 4870 chipsets on one card) - your PS will handle that but that may be too expensive for you; a 4870 is hot too, but still a bit expensive, or a 4850 is excellent too (Sapphire makes one that has a better fan and heatsink combo than the original 4850 spec called for) and a lot less money. If you want to spend less there are other good ATI chipsets, e.g. the 3870 series, and others.

If nothing else ATI's (via AMD's web site ) customer support beats NVidia's and always has. ATI fixes driver and application software problems eventually; NVidia has a reputation for NOT doing that - you're often stuck with having to try older drivers or having to wait for newer ones if you have problems.

"don,t think i should go higher than 256mg or i might have problems

The amount of ram on the card has little bearing on how much power the card requires, for the same video chipset, at the same chipset speed (an overclocked chipset requires a little more power) . E.g. a card with 512mb might draw no more than 5 to 10 watts more than one with 256mb.

After a minimal amount of ram, more ram on the video card has no further effect at lower resolutions - you only need more than 256mb of ram on the card if you have a monitor or a TV in monitor mode capable of a higher than average resolution - chances are if you don't have a huge one of either you will not benefit from more than 256mb of ram on the card. You can see for yourself by comparing the specs of the same chipset with differing amounts of ram, at the same chipset speed - e.g. the max fps (framesper second) at the highest resolution your monitor can do (TVs in Monitor mode have a lower max. monitor resolution). More ram does increase the max performance at higher resolutions, but if you can't use those higher resolutions, there's no point in getting a card with more ram on it. That said, there isn't much difference in price for 256mb or 384mb or 512mb cards.


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#4
March 1, 2009 at 07:26:34
Tubesnwires thanks so much you have really helped me a lot*im a bedridden guy* with a cool parrot* I am running 4 gb of ram
crappy pc3200 that's all they say i can run in a hp a1314n amd athlon X2. I run firefox and i can have 10 sites going*this puppy flies*
the card is for a new lcd wide-screen i,m looking to buy a 32" samsung for $498 @walmart it sounds/looks awesome*or a 37"sylvania @target the reviews are great on it* SO the card needs to be MAINLY to deliver the best picture possible for online watching*
I won,t have the t.v and the monitor going at the same time*i,m only at 1.5 megs on my dsl and I have a 2nd a1314n n running at times burning dvds but it doesn't slow this baby down* I use fasterfox n no script also* I would like to switch to 64 bit but don,t know how?? i,m looking at quad cores!! does amd athlon make a quad?? I only see other brands like intel I love amd athlons they have always BEEN super strenth* lol I have put mine through tons of cig smoke and it just keeps on flying*lol IF I get a quad THAT would help the t.v aspect for online watching wouldn't it ? also it would be 64bit the problem is I HATE VISTA so much**i,m just a x.p lover*I tried a vista premium p.c for a while and it drove me crazy*it's not a user friendly op system** tha's why they wanna get 7 out fast* m.s admitted vista is not very good*at all*I READ well you have been so helpful maybe I can ask you more questions as needed* thanks bro
peace out*write back anytime* i,m bored in this bed* rick

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#5
March 1, 2009 at 08:17:43
I DO have 1 more question what is the PCI-E 2.0 factor
what does 2.0 refer to?? thanks

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#6
March 1, 2009 at 11:12:47
Are you in the US?
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I just noticed you wanted to spend about $50 for a video card.

You WILL immediately notice the difference when you install a video card, no matter how cheap it is, in comparison to your onboard video.

However...

I took a look on the newegg.com site and that $50 or so limits you to very few choices for a card that has dual DVI - ONE in fact (two, if you order the one with the mail-in rebate, but you'll have to wait for the rebate) . If you can spend a bit more you have more choices. Most of the ones with two DVI that cost less have NVidia chipsets.

A tip - newegg tells you whether the card has two DVI, or two VGA, or a DVI and a VGA, in the listings description before you click on the link to the card - the picture may be too small for you to make out which ports it has otherwise.

Don't choose low profile cards - they have a shorter bracket - unless you check and it comes with a regular bracket as well - some regular cards come with a low profile bracket as well.

If you live in a large enough place, there are probably local places that may have a video card for you, they often have web sites (look in your yellowpages at their ads to find the address), and if you can get somone to pick it up for you free, there will be no extra shipping charge cost. The card may cost a bit more locally but it's often less than what you pay online plus the shipping. charge. The smaller places that have lots of components and custom build and repair computers are more likely to have cheaper prices.

E.g.
Only one of these two DVI cards has a Radeon (ATI) chipset):

BFG Tech BFGE86256GTOCE GeForce 8600 GT 256MB $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

EVGA 256-P2-N761-TR GeForce 8600 GTS 256MB $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

CHAINTECH GSE86GT-A1 GeForce 8600 GT 256MB $70
Minus $20 Mail in rebate if you order before or on March 2nd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

DIAMOND Viper 2600PRO256PESB Radeon HD 2600PRO 256MB $73
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

JATON Video-PX358GS-DT GeForce 7300GS 256MB $73
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

PNY VCG86512GXWB-OC GeForce 8600 GT 512MB $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...
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If you're going to upgrade in the near future anyway, you might as well spend more on a video card now, as long as it's a reasonably good deal, then you won't need to upgrade it when you do get a better mboard and cpu.
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I would like to point out that-
- the difference regarding what you see regarding whether the monitor or TV in monitor mode is connected by VGA or DVI is very TINY!! - many can't tell the difference, especially on a smaller screen.
- you usually have more resolution choices to choose from if the video is connected by VGA regarding what the settings the drivers for the card allow
- most recent LCD and Plasma TVs have a D-Sub port for VGA for monitor mode, but a lot fewer of them have one for a DVI connection. If it has a DVI port, it probably also has a VGA port - you can use one or the other
- you have a LOT more choices of cheaper video cards, or video cards in any price range, , to choose from if you can connect the TV in monitor mode via a VGA connection rather than a DVI connection, and you will notice little if any difference on the TV display in monitor mode. Most of them have one DVI port, one VGA port, and one DVI to VGA adapter.
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newegg.com and newegg.ca do not deduct the price of any current mail-in rebate from the price but they do mention it and provide a link to it's details.

tigerdirect.com and tigerdirect.ca DO deduct the price of any current mail-in rebate from the price and they usually provide a link to it's details.
When the rebate expires where the web site is, the price goes back up to the regular price at midnight, the web site's time.

Many card makers have mail-in rebates for a limited time , and they are coming and going frequently these days.

Mail-in rebates may take months before you actually get the check for the rebate amount, but I have always actually gotten it.
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" i,m looking to buy a 32" samsung for $498 @walmart it sounds/looks awesome*"

Samsung LCD TVs and LCD monitors are excellent quality.
See next for some real world examples.
I would choose the Samsung over the Sylvania one.

All LCD monitors have an "optimal" or "native" resoluttion at which they look best set to. If you choose a resolution other that that, the display does not look as good - the most noticabe thing is the fonts/type on the Windows screen don't look as clear (CRT displaysdo NOT have that problem). If the monitor is a cheaper one it's more likely to look worse at other resolutions. I know from seeing the Samsung models mentioned next at other resolutions that they still look very good. (An Acer model I've seen DOES NOT.)

Turn on Clear Type in Windows XP or Vista - makes type/fonts on LCD screens look clearer.
http://www.microsoft.com/typography...

Keep in mind LCD and plasma TVs are frequently going on sale these days, so you don't need to be in a hurry about choosing one.
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"*im a bedridden guy*"

I help out several people with disabilities, some of whom would be bedridden all the time if they didn't have a power wheelchair and weren't in an extended care center (thanks to Canada's universal health care, it costs most of them nothing) that had staff that can get them in and out of bed

One friend of mine, Michelle, has Spinal Muscular Atrophy - that's like spina bifida PLUS muscular dystrophy - her spine is curved, she has two metal rods wired to it inside her, and at 40 years old she can only hold up her neck and move two fingers on her left hand.
She has never walked - her muscles otherwise were near normal when she was born and have slowly deteiorated since, simlar to the way they do for muscular dystrophy . Since her curved spine limits the amount of space her lungs can occupy, the bottom portion of them cannot work - since about 6 years ago, she has had a tube in her throat, and is connected to a ventillator ( a breathing machine) 24/7.
(She can still speak, and chatter away.)
She was originally not expected to live past 3 years.
She went to a normal junior high and high school and graduated from grade 12 (there is no 13 in Canada, at least not where we are), and completed two years towards an Education degree, but then was not able to finish, andhasnot been able to return since.

She is a whiz regarding using computers.
She has a desktop and an HP laptop.
She says her life without computers is maybe a 2/10; with them it's a 7 or 8/10.

I help her set up her computers and get and change components, and re-load Windows occaisionally for her, etc.

She has had a Samsung 19" LCD monitor for about 5 years, and a Samsung 19" LCD TV she uses mostly in monitor mode for about 4 years. Both are still working excellent. Most of that time her desktop computer she has them connected to was on 24/7, until the last year or so, when she sometimes has the computer turned off at night.

Her present mboard is an Epox AD580XR (AM2, about a 2 year old AMD/ATI chipset - I got it for her because it has all the legacy ports, has two IDE headers, and it supports up to the 6400+ cpu without needing a bios update) with a 6000+ X2 on it, 3gb of ram. She uses a TV card on it for her TV - she only uses the Samsung TV in TV mode when I need to take the computer away and work on it - it is difficult for her to use a regular remote (she can't look down - she has to use it by feel) otherwise she loves using the Media Center TV module in her XP MCE 2005 - it accomodates the TV in monitor mode being about twelve feet away just under the ceiling when she's in bed quite well, with it's larger than normal fonts, onscreen local cable channel selection, etc.

Because of power outage damaging the video card she wasusing and the PCI-E X16 circuits on the mboard, she is presently using a pretty good recent ATI chipset PCI card for her video, and and an el-cheapo Sabrent TV card that she used previously .
(The now dead video card is an ATI brand AIW X600 Pro, PCI- E X16)

I have ordered and received a newer AM2+ mboard, and a Visontek All in Wonder 3650 (ATI chipset) PCI-E X16 card, and will transfer all her parts to it in the near future.

She uses 3 Cirque touchpad mice, which she has no problem using by feel, and a freeware onscreen keyboard program called ClickNType, as well as the onscreen keyboard built into XP occaisionally, and she uses the Magnifier feature built into XP when she's in bed and watching the TV in monitor mode.

Both the monitor and the TV monitor port are VGA connected (theTV has no DVI port). We have tried both two port video cards and using a video splitter box. When she found out not all programs work on both monitors when connected to two ports on a video card (she likes using Power DVD - it only displays DVD playback on the primary monitor as seen by Windows) , she has insisted since that I only hook up the video splitter box, whether the video has two ports or one.

The TV has along enough extension cable she could have it right in front of her when she's in the bed, on a typical hospital over the bed table, but she thinks it would be too much fuss for the staff, although she uses exactly such a table with her laptop all the time, and of course the AC adapter for it.

The desktop has two LG IDE DVD combo drives, and an 80 and a 160gb IDE hard drive, and a 500gb SATA drive - all hard drives are Seagate.
She has 6 partitions on the hard drives, only one is for Windows itself (FAT32) , and overall they are about 80% full of data.

She has an MP3 player, and a GE digital camera she can connect.

She frequently sends me, and others, e-mail.

She has a blog page.
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Another friend, Brad, who lives down the hall from Michelle, has Ducshayne's (sp?) muscular dystrophy. With that, you're seemingly normal when born, in his case he was fairly normal as a kid, but slowly his muscles deteriorated, so, now, at later 30 something, he can still hold up his head but cannot walk and has no arm or hand strength, and can move his fingers but they are very weak. He has a tube in his throat too, and is on a ventillator 24/7, and can still speak.

He is also a whiz at using computers.

He has a recent desktop, and had a laptop instead up untill not long ago, but got fed up with it when it's hard drive failed early, and he sold it after the drive had been replaced and reloaded on warranty.
Up until about 6 months ago he was using a special adapter (about $1000, provided free by the goverment) that attaches to a parallel port, and a simple hand (button) switch that connects to it, to control a sophisticated program that comes with it (that Steven Hawking the physacist (sp?) used to use) that allows him to do anything on the computer by simply squeezing the button between two fingers, but his finger muscles now fatigue in a short time.
Now he is using a much cheaper solution he bought himself - it's a box you connect to a regular mouse (or USB?) port, the box mounted near his head (the box comes with the mounting hardware), and he controls the mouse cursor by means of a joystickt hat he can control with his chin, or lately, his tounge.

I'm not sure what he uses to type with - the onscreen keyboard built into XP? - maybe ClickNType too?

He sends me jokes and redneck thinking oriented stuff (he's a farmer's kid) frequently via e-mail.
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How do those two contol their power wheel chairs?

Michelle has a 4 segment touchpad on a box with circuits in it (costs about $500??) that connects where a regular joystick control connects to the power chair - she uses her two working fingers with it - it has a " deadman " button switch she must tap to prevent un-intended movement before she uses the touchpad, when a time has been exceeded since she last used the touchpad . However, the stupid touchpad surface is sensitive to moisture and doesn't work well below about 50 degrees F. If the touchpad gets water on it while the box is activated, even just spit, the power chair does bizzare things - so she cannot use the chair when it's raining outside, or even for a while after the surface is cleaned with anything containing water. If it had Cirque touchpad components it wouldn't do that - her Cirque touchpad mice are not sensitive to water like that.

Brad has a "sip n puff" chair control box that connects to the same place a regular joystick control connects. He controls it by blowing into or sucking on a tube in his mouth, the box with the tube mounted to his power chair so he can do so.
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"I am running 4 gb of ram"

If you have 3 or 4 modules, for 32 bit 2000, XP, and Vista operating systems, you are often better off installing 3gb rather than 4. Those 32gb operating systems have an absolute limit of 4gb of virtual address space - for the ram AND for what the operating system requires.
Depending on the particular system and mboard hardware (main chipset) you can have more ram actually available for you to use for programs if you install 3gb rather than 4gb.
When you install 4gb of ram, part of that 4gb of virtual address space is used by Windows rather than it being available for the ram for programs. Depending on the particular system and mboard hardware (main chipset) the amount of ram you can actually use for programs can be a little more, or a little LESS, than 3gb.
E.g.
I got some ram for another freind who has a recent mboard (I built the system for him). He now has 4 1gb modules available. I tried installing both 3gb and 4gb of ram on that mboard. I looked in System Information each time - on that mboard, he has MORE available ram for progams when 3gb is installed, AND when I installed 4gb I noticed the difference right away - the system runs noticably better with 3gb!
Unfortunately he's a bonehead and he installed the 4th module after I had left that day despite me telling him it ran better on 3 modules. (He thinks using a bottle of fuel injector cleaner in his gas tank on hiscar vastly improves his gas mileage!)
It was that computer I installed a Sapphire Radeon 4850 on, at the same time.

By the way, the difference between ram running in dual channel vs single channel mode is mostly hype - having matched pairs of ram running in dual channel mode on the mboard makes a very very TINY difference, one an appropriate testing program will find, but that you probably cannot perceive yourself.
If all your ram is not such matched pairs, e.g. if there is one such pair and you remove one module from another such pair, it is very likely you CANNOT perceive that all the ram is then running in single channel mode!
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"i,m looking at quad cores!!"

Another thing that is marketing hype is whether a cpu is single core or dual core or triple core or quad core, or on older mboards, whether the mboard has one or two cpus.

You must use programs that can utilize more than one core, or on older mboards, both cpus, in order for you to have any advantage in having more than one!
There is nothing built into 2000 or XP that can utilize more than one core or one cpu, and the only programs you can buy that can utilize more than one are too expensive for most people - e.g. server programs, high end graphics programs, and expensive scientifically related programs.
Server operating system software can use more than one, but most people don't use that.

Vista apparently has a small amount of built in support for more than one, and apparently some recent games made with software for Vista included can use more than one, but only in Vista; other than that, the same applies - most people are not using programs that can use more than one core or more than one discrete cpu.

However, even if the programs you use cannot use more than one core or more than one discrete cpu, the single core you're using in newer cpus performs so much better than one on older cpus, you DO see a significant difference anyway.

E.g. I've built three systems with the Athlon 64X2 6000+ and 6400+ cpus - all I can say is WOW!, especially for the 6400+!

A tip - there is a shortage of 6400+ cpus (3.2ghz) and a glut of 6000+ (3.0ghz) ones, so the 6000+ ones have been heavily discounted and are a bargain!

The AMD supplied heatsink/fan combo in the boxed set for those cpus has heatpipes in the heatsink and is excellent!


"does amd athlon make a quad?? I only see other brands like intel I love amd athlons they have always BEEN super strenth* "

I am biased in favour of AMD cpus too.

Yes they certainly do!
They are the Phenom cpus.
They come in triple core and quad core versions.
On the lower end, they're only a bit more money than an Athlon 64 X2 6400+ cpu

However, I don't think any of them to date nominally run faster than an Athlon 64 X2 6400+ cpu (3.2 ghz; but you can no longer go by just the ghz the cpu runs at - AMD rates it as equivalent to the original P4 (in some ways) running at 6.4 ghz, hence the model number; the same applies for the Phenom model numbers; AMD has been doing that since the Athlon XPxxxx cpus were released ) .

Phenoms are backwards compatible to some extent - you can install them on an AM2 mboard as well as an AM2+ mboard, they run at the same speed but they peform better on a AM2+ mboard, and AM2 mboards are limited to DDR2 PC6400 max., AM2+ mboards and only the Phenom cpus on them cam use faster DDR2 ram.
Athlon 64X2 cpus can be used on AM2 or AM2+ mboards, no problem.

On the other hand, many recent Intel cpus can only be used on newer mboards - you often have to replace the mboard when you want to upgrade the cpu type.

AMD does not intend to try competing with the much more expensive top end Intel quad core cpus - their aim is to provide triple and quad core cpus that a lot more people can afford to buy.

However, you cannot install them on your present mboard, and you cannot install a 64 X2 Athlon on your present mboard - they require DDR2 ram, your mboard uses DDR, your socket is 939 pin, the newer ones are 940 pin (AM2 or AM2+).
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"I HATE VISTA so much**i,m just a x.p lover*I"

A lot of people feel the same way.
Many have tried Vista and have reverted back to XP.
XP with SP3 updates has far fewer bugs, and can be used with older mboards no problem.
Many with newer systems are waiting for the sucessor to Vista
to be available in a beta or in a final version, and try that instead.
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"i,m only at 1.5 megs on my dsl "

Same here, but the speed pages load on internet is not limited strickly by that; only download speeds and the faster video streaming speeds are, which are also, in any case, dependant on the max capabilities of the web site you are accessing.

Whether you upgrade the video or the whole system....

You won't notice as much difference on the internet because it's limited by the max data transfer speed you pay for, which is rated in bits per second, not bytes per second as everything other than network related stuff is - for the very best case, which is impossible, you divide the speed rating by 8 (8 bits per byte) - in the real world you divide the rate by about 10 - to get the actual max data transfer speed in bytes per second on the internet, because of what used for overhead for data error correction routines, etc..
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Do you need 64 bit Vista (or XP Pro)?

Probably not, unless you need to use 64 bit programs, or need to use more than 4gb of ram. You would probably have to BUY some 64 bit versions of some programs you have added to Windows, in some cases.

Do you need more than 4gb of ram for XP Pro 64 bit, or for Vista 64 bit, or Vista's 64 bit successor?
Probably not. In fact it's likely you do not have anything installed and will not install anything that needs anywhere near 4gb or even 3gb.

Ultimate Memory Guide
How Much Memory Do You Need? etc.
http://www.kingston.com/tools/umg/u...


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#7
March 2, 2009 at 08:19:05
hi tubes i,m so sorry to hear about your friends they sound like me* their computers are their life lines* I know mine sure is* I belong to a private ning movie club they might really enjoy *
IS it possible to have a penonm quad with X.P pro service pack 2?
in 64 bit*I HAVE FOUND 2 ON ebay I just seem to wanna have the need for speed and they seem to be saying 64 bit is the way to go*
but can it be a phenom with X,P IN 64 BIT? I woold love to have you build me one lol question ?where do you live? i,m in SO CAL RICK

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#8
March 2, 2009 at 11:39:17
Please read, again, what I said in response 6 about 64 bit operating systems and whether you need more than 4gb at the end, and multiple core cpus and 4 or 3 gb of ram before that.

Lots of people buy into the hype - chances are quite likely they're not actually using more than one core at all and they're only seeing the much better performance of that one core, or at best they are using more than one only sometimes such as with recent games, and/or they didn't need 64 bit, and/or they don't actually need more than 3gb or 4gb of ram.

Also, as I said, you would have to use a Phenom in an AM2 or preferably an AM2+ mboard - your mboard cannot use one.

Apparently there are two versions of XP Pro - 32 bit and 64 bit - the 64 bit one you would have to search around more to find.

As far as operating systems go, the Phenoms can probably be used with 2000 (may have to be with SP4 updates or later) and up, if not certainly any version of XP and up, 32 bit, or 64 bit, no problem, since the main chipset drivers for the AM2 or AM2+ mboards probably support that. See the specs for the AM2 or AM2+ mboards on the manufacturer's web site.

I'm in Canada - Alberta.

The reason I asked if you are in the US is if you were in Canada I could point to video cards on Canadian or .ca web sites.
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So.......
- what do you think of my suggestion about using the LCD TV in VGA monitor mode / using a VGA connection so you have a lot more choices of which video cards you can use?
- did you check out that Samsung model you were thinking of buying to see if it actually has a DVI port, and whether it does or doesn't , does it have a VGA (15 "pin" D-Sub) port?


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#9
March 2, 2009 at 14:21:59
I haven,t looked at the tv,s yet i,m not nuying till next month or so tax time* the samsung is a 32" it's sweet*at $498 walmart* but for $100 more i can get that 37" sylvania it's the newest model out and I did a lot of searching on the reviews they are awesome* nobody on any website had anything bad to say about it* Ihave 2 gigt cards that will drop the price $100 and the sylvania has an awesome picture Iwas just at target looking at it and a philips 32" boy the picture and the sound is awesome on that* I just need to decide if i wanna 32" or go bigger* as for the phenom quad I WAS interested in a couple I saw on ebay
that were xp pro s-pac 2 6gb not vista I,M SORRY i know you posted that info allready I WAS reading fast* can we somehow exchange emails in sections? this seems like a silly way to chat* thanks rick let me know peace out**

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#10
March 2, 2009 at 15:49:33
hi tubes I NEED to ask I have found a h.p phenom fx 2.66 ghz quad X4 A6614F Brand new*vista premium with 6gb ram for
$395 buy it now* or i can bid* the guy has a 100% feedback rating
he claims some of his software doesn't run on 64 bit am I gonna run into the same problem? I just sold a hp a8300f media center with no tuner stuff for $500 and I am really interested in theses quad systems and 64 bit* this is an awesome deal if it will run my software? i guess i need a answer on that one* thanks rick

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#11
March 2, 2009 at 16:25:51
Too much reading for me so I'll just be blunt.

Vista sucks.
A 64-bit OS is unnecssary.
Quad core CPUs are unnecessary.
More than 4GB RAM is overkill, unless you run a 64-bit OS, which is unnecessary.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...


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#12
March 3, 2009 at 06:55:43
ok I,M sorry I get on my p,c at 600am and don,t get enough sleep due to meds and my brain is foggy* so much* I did buy the
this upon your prior advise SAPPHIRE 100225L Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP IT has 492 reviews it was on sale $84.99 free ship* the 4670-2D512/D3 Radeon HD 4670 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP only has 2 reviews and complaints*
THANKS* you have been so great* I HAVE( a.d.d) a bit *sorry
I DO have 1 last question I NEED TO reformat this p.c badly. long story* QUESTION* is there a way I can save a ton of my important bookmarks in fire fox 3 so they are still useable after I reformat? thanks

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#13
March 3, 2009 at 07:37:00
it appears FROM the reviews i,m gonna have to add more fans for the ATI 3870 THEY ALL SAY IT GETS HOT! GREAT* these cases on h.p,s a1000 series mid tower are awful very poor venting*
bummer * and not many ways to drill more holes one guy said he leaves his cover off! lol I don,t know have a clue as to how to fix/ cool it AND don,t know what kinda fan to buy*

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#14
March 3, 2009 at 09:28:10
Newegg usually has more user reviews that tigerdirect does. When there are lots of reviews, look at all of them or at least a lot of them. Keep in mind those who have problems are more likely to make a review than those who don't, and some boneheads have ruined a card by something stupid they did, or their power supply was inadequate, whether they were aware of what went on or not, so the numbers of reviews that aren't so good are often out of proportion to reality.

As I keep insisting, if you use the TV in VGA monitor mode rather that DVI monitor mode, you are unlikely to notice the difference, and there are a lot more choices of cards with one VGA and one DVI port you can choose from.

If a particular card with a particular chipset is reported to get hotter than other cards, search using the chipset number to find ones that don't so much - you have many to choose from if the card has one VGA and one DVI port .

It isn't hard to add extra cooling if you need it - e.g. a cheap fix is to mount a 80mm case fan (as little as $10 or less; hot glue it or zip tie it, etc., if you need to) so it blows directly at the heatsink side of the video card.
Or you can remove the heatsink/fan combo or just the fan on the card and replace it with a better one, but there may be only certain ones that can physically be used.

Your 650 watt power supply probably has(a) better fan(s) that move more air than the original PS did - you may not need a case fan on the case itself because of that.

If you can afford to spend more, I recommend the Sapphire 4850 - it has a superior heatsink/fan combo, and it's unlikely you would need to replace it when you upgrade.
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"I DO have 1 last question I NEED TO reformat this p.c badly. long story* QUESTION* is there a way I can save a ton of my important bookmarks in fire fox 3 so they are still useable after I reformat? thanks ."

What problems are you having?

If your C partition is too full, a common situation it seems people with brand name systems, or with only one hard drive otherwise, get themselves into, the simplest way of fixing that on a desktop computer is for you to install another hard drive, un-install some programs you have added to C that you can easily re-install, and re-install them on the second hard drive, and/or copy data that takesup a lot of space such as movies, music, etc., to the second hard drive, delete it on C.
You DO NOT have to install most programs that didn't come with Windows on the same partition as Windows is on, if you have another partition you can install them on (you don't have that choice with a brand name software installtion unless you have another hard drive). You can seect a Custom installation insteado f the default or Express installation and install it on another partition, and/or change the drive letter of the location the software is installed on. In that case, only a little bit of data for it is installed on C, and the vast majority of the data is installed on the other partition.

Loading Windows from scratch from a regular CD, or re-loading the original HP software installation, is a last resort unless you're impatient and/or don't want to try to fix problems, or you have tried a lot of things (we can often suggest more things to try) but have not been able to fix the problems.

Often you can fix problems by running a Repair "install" procedure, which does not delete the personal data that you have added to the partition Windows is on - that takes less than an hour to try.

Running Setup from scratch from a regular CD takes less than an hour, but that's only the first step, and it may take the equivalent of many days until your system is back to the way you want it to be, especially if you have a lot of programs you want to install as well, and if you don't back up the personal data you don't want to lose before you reload Windows, it will be gone forever.

Do you still have the original HP software installation on this computer, and you want to load that again?

If yes, you need at least the single Recovery CD you use along with the original data contents of the second partition on your original hard drive, or better still you should make the Recovery CD set, that allows you to load a blank hard drive. Your brand name computer at best only comes with the former, or it may not have come with one at all. You can make the Recovery CD set or possibly both that and the single recovery CD, by using the HP program already in your programs.

I haven't used Firefox, but it probably is not difficult to save your bookmarks - check out the Firefox help or their web site.

If you mean the equivalent to the Favourites list in IE, they're probably in C:\Documents andSettings\(your user name)\..... somewhere



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#15
March 3, 2009 at 11:15:50
SAPPHIRE 100245L Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

Product info
http://www.sapphiretech.com/us/prod...

Reviews
http://www.overclockersclub.com/rev...

Compares it to the 3870:
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID...

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/sap...

4850, 4870 review
3870 x2 sometimes better
9800GTX close rival in some areas
overall 4850 and 4870 look vey good, generally better at higher resolutions
Both the 4850 and 4870 could be cooled better
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vi...

3D Performance with Fallout 3 Part 2: Mainstream Cards
November 10, 2008
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/fal...

4850 better than all but 9x00GTx series
3870 better than 9500, base 9600 series, under 8800GTS
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/fal...
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Comparison I made while looking for a card for my friend:

The Radeon HD 2900 XT runs at different clock frequencies in each of its two operating modes, 2D and 3D, while for Radeon HD 3000 series, as implemented the ATI PowerPlay technology, the clock frequencies may vary in different usage scenarios......

core clock / memory clk /bandwidth /video ram /core config (# unified shaders)/ comparative bandwidth rating

2400XT 700mhz 800mhz 12.8gb/sec 40 * 15
2600pro 600 700 22.4 120 * 12
2600XT 800 900 35.2 120 * 9
2900GT 600 800 51.2 240 * 8
2900pro 600 800 105.6 512mb 320 * 3 (tie)
2900pro 600 1000 128 1024 320 * best (tie)
2900XT 743 825 105.6 512mb 320 * 3 (tie) see note above
2900XT 743 1000 128 1024 320 * best (tie) see note above
3470 800 950 15.2 40 * 14 (tie)
3650 725 800 25.6 120 * 11 (tie)
3690/ 666 828 25.6 320 * 11 (tie)
3830
3850 666 828 53 320 * 7
3870 775 900 57.6 320 * 6
3870XT 775 1125 72 320 * 4
4470 800 15.2 800 * 14 (tie)
4650 600 667 21.3 667 * 13
4670 750 1000 32 1000 * 10
4850 625 883 63.5 993 * 5
4870 750 900 115.2 900 * 2
......

The 19xx series are also pretty good

1900xT 625 725 46.4
1900XTX 650 775 49.6
1950GT 500 600 38.4
1950Pro 575 690 44.2
1950XT 625 900 57.6 256mb
1950XT 625 800 51.2 512mb
1950XTX 650 1000 64.0


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#16
March 3, 2009 at 14:10:33
thanks for the reply* WHEN i first posted this question you suggested a 4850 or a 3870 and newggy just happen to have a sale last weekend on the 3870 so I went for it* but today after your new card post I went and read a bunch of reviews 321 positives* 13 negs but many did say it does run hot*
What problems are you having? MY P.C HAS many problems #1 my windows installer keeps opening up every time I try to open A program* I HAD TO to do 2 non destructive recovery's a while back and ever since I have duplicate files badly* I can't even install duplicate file finder..AND I got a net framework problem*also when I boot up a stupid installer for a web camera I tried to install keep always loads up first*so a reformat is my only option*it's just book marks in fire fox i need to save somehow! i will figure it out if not i'll write them all down on paper* thanks bro*your so nice and a tremendous helpful guy*

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#17
March 3, 2009 at 21:14:52
Heatsinks/fans vary. There is more than one card maker model that has the 3870, especially if you go for the one VGA, one DVI ones . The very reason that card may be on sale is because it runs too hot - e.g. the Palit one has been on sale off and on several times since last November or so, probably because of that.The 19xx series ones have a very similar max bandwith vs the 3870. Any of the models listed above in the last post with a higher bandwidth are a good buy.

"#1 my windows installer keeps opening up every time I try to open A program* "

"a stupid installer for a web camera I tried to install keep always loads up first*"

The same as next may apply to the webcam software if it was installed by the Windows installer, or the Windows Installer pop up may also be for the webcam software.

The Windows Installer is used to install a lot of software these days.

That's from an incomplete software installation - usually from either because you quit the software installation part way through, or you didn't follow thesoftware installation directions properly, or because it failed to install properly all the way because of some other reason - e.g. you had too many programs running when you tried to install the software, or you did not disable the resident module (the part that runs all the time) in your anti-malware program(s).
If there is a name of the program it is trying to install, or if it only starts up when you try to access a certain program, or if you know which program you last tried to install before you got that, that is not hard to fix, if the software was installed by the Windows Installer.
Search on the Microsoft site for "windows installer cleanup utility" download it, install it
Run it, and look for the name of the program that is probably trying to use Windows Installer, and delete the entry.
That will get rid of the Windows Installer pop up, and the botched software installation information, often better than un-installing the software does. Then you can install the software the RIGHT way if you like.

It also does a better job of cleaning up what's left behind when programs are un-installed than a poorly written Un-install program for the software in Add/Remove Programs does , if Windows installer installed the software. If you un-install some software and have problems after trying to install the same software again, try using the Windows Installer Cleanup utility, delete the entry for the software, then installing the software again.

OR - even if you don't know which software installation caused the problem,
Start - Run - type: msconfig (click OK or press Enter)
Look under the Startup tab - sometimes it's one of the entries there that's loading the bothched software installation that keeps popping up the Windows installer. If you disable the right thing, the Windows Installer will no longer pop up.
Everything that's disabledt there can be enabled again.
Disabling the entry that causes the pop up problem get rid of the annoyance of it, but it doesn't fix the botched software installation. Sometimes the line that loaded you disabled yields you clues as to what it was trying to install the software for.
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"......I have duplicate files badly* "

That's not hard to fix.

Start - All Programs - Accessories - System Tools - Disk Cleanup

Or - Start - Run - type: cleanup

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"AND I got a net framework problem"

Describe it.
I've experienced several of them and they were all fixable.
If you are getting an error message quote it.


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#18
March 4, 2009 at 07:33:15
I get a message windows can,t find cleanup* I have no other option but to to a full destructive recovery*eg: reformat to factory settings* which would be healthy anyways* cause I uninstalled service pack 3 with the advice and help of a hp.tech as it was causing me some problems pack 3 sucks* noted in many blogs iv,e read* also.. I'LL make it simple I can,t even open I.E with out that stupid installer holding me up.. iv,e read the installer clean up utility but due to 1 of 2 corrupted non destructive recovery's i was forced 2 do it duplicated to many files/folders etc! and i run my disc cleanup all the time I.M not even getting windows updates on this a1314n like I do my other*
so this is a waste of time to try fixes* better to start from scratch my old tech friend used to tell me it's a good idea to reformat once a year anyways*AND BTW*YOU originally suggested 2 video card*models when I first posted a ati 4850 or a sapphire radeon 3870* so I found the 3870 on sale it had 321 great reviews but I didn't read them all before I bought it* it just came and people say it's a bit noisy! and can run hot*heck my bedroom hits 80-90% in the summer* THE CARD(*_*) SAPPHIRE 100225L Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card* to late I bought it* BUT i think something is fishy about newegg*the box isn't plastic wrapped* like one off a shelf in a store and i bought 5 Lite-on DH20A4P atapi ide dvd writers and they all came just in plastic* I got 1 free and a $20.99+ $10 more credit It sounded noisy but turned out ok* EXPLAIN this I HAVE a nvidia card in now* I NEED to take it out and uninstall all my other software before I do a reformat! *RIGHT* ND then hit what key for a proper reformat? do you know my email name? if not can i sneak it in to you? thanks yahoo bro you are too kind*and so helpful*BTW can you post a link for a free proggy that does this kinda stuff f*_*)
♥(¯`'•.¸(¯`'•.¸ ♥*parrotluver*♥ ¸.•'´¯)¸.•'´¯)¸.•'´¯)♥ I know how to make hearts and faces but there's tons of symbols I wanna learn thanks tubes*your the man*****

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#19
March 4, 2009 at 08:22:03
"I get a message windows can,t find cleanup* "

I made a mistake, but could not fix it because I kept getting a 504 server timed out error when I tried to access this site.

"Or - Start - Run - type: cleanup"

should have been

Or - Start - Run - type: cleanmgr
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OK, so, it sounds like your C drive is royally screwed up, and that you are still using the original HP software installation.

My focus has always been on fixing what is wrong rather than re-installing the operating system, or the orginal brand name software installation. You don't learn anything from NOT fixing your problems.
At least some of your problems are caused by one or more of the causes I list in my last post starting at "That's from an incomplete software installation ...."

On the other hand, sometimes you are much better off re-installing the operating system, or the original brand name software installation.

I have had Win 98SE on one computer since the beginning of 2000 and have never wiped out the data on the partition Windows is on and re-installed Windows from scratch, but I did do an "overtop" Setup after about 4 years and installed Windows in C:\Windows2 rather than C:\Windows (it turned out I found out a short time later I could have fixed my problems without doing that). I have learned a great deal about how to fix many different problems, in 98SE and XP, in Dos6.2 and previous back to 3.2, and in Win 3.1, and a little in 98, ME, and 2000, but on the other hand, time wise, I would have been better off with that 98SE installation to back up the data I wanted to save from the partition Windows is on (I have always had more than one partition on the computer to which I can copy data to), wipe out the data on the partition Windows was on, install Windows from scratch, then re-install any programs and data I wanted to be on the same partition as Windows is on or elsewhere, and copy or restore any data I wanted to be on the same partition as Windows is on.

More later - I have thingsI need to do.


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#20
March 4, 2009 at 14:20:51
that clean mgr just brings up disc cleanup* my system cleans itself*but Irun that and defrag regularly .I have learned many many things from many sites/friends about computing*and some hacks*and more there are always things I don,t understand I will tell you this this thing is so out of wack my mmc and main console to ad or relign a drive letter is in the wrong location*like i said this one got messed up from 2 non destructive recovery's months ago.. i have no choice but to reformat it which I don't mind it's just a mile of very useful bookmarks in firefox 3 Ireally need to save i'll figure that out and spend a week doing updates I have an 2addons in fire fox one is called no script* it's like a back door firewall and hides me and java script unless I allow it the other is fasterfox a jar file that's like a accelerater for fox i.m kinda surprized you aren't using fox or linux I hate I.E virus city and they embed codes all the time* i need to learn more about adding partitions. I know how to relign my drive letters and that is one reason I took off s-pack 3 it messed up my drive letters but I wanna learn how to add a 3rd partition and how to backup files* I CAN,T say I know how to correctly backup files what's involved* can you explain the best/easy way to do that? if you don't wanna answer anymore questions for now just say so i won't ask? any.thanks rick.and i know your a very busy guy so no hurry on replys*ok

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#21
March 4, 2009 at 16:39:32
"I uninstalled service pack 3 with the advice and help of a hp.tech as it was causing me some problems pack 3 sucks*"

The vast majority of problems people have with installing SP3 updates are caused because of things that happened to be present on the computer that did not come with Windows or their brand name software installation.

I have not had any problems installing SP3 updates after a fresh install of Windows on other peoples computers, or by using a slipstreamed CD that has theSP3 updates integrated into the files that were orginally on the Windows CD to install Windows from scratch on other people's computers.
I have not had any problems on those same computers with the SP3 updates already installed when I installed other progams after that.

If you install it right after the full (destructive) Recovery is finished, BEFORE you install anything else, especially anti-malware software, you probably won't have any problems with installing SP3.
If the brand name software installtion includes any anti-malware software, disable it's resident module(s) (the part that runs all the time. e.g. a scanner module that runs in the background) BEFORE you install the SP3 updates, or for that matter it's a good idea to do that before you install ANY software.
If the anti-malware is Norton / Symantec, you MUST un-install it before installing SP3 updates!! Disabling it is not enough to prevent it from interfering with the SP3 updates installation.

It is perfectly safe to access the Microsoft site and other major sites that are well protected (e.g. Adobe, the HP site, major anti-malware sites, etc.) when your anti-malware software has had the resident module(s) disabled, or it has been un-installed, or it has not been installed yet.

If you go to the Windows Updates page on the Microsoft site, these days, one of the first things it wants you to install is the SP3 updates after you have done a fresh install of Windoiws, or of your brand name system software .
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#22
March 4, 2009 at 19:25:12
Since you've already bought the Sapphire 3870 you'll just have to make do, unless you can sell it to someone you know.

See response 14 regarding using a case fan, or replacing the fan on the card, to cool it better - case fans aren't bad for noise, and the larger the replacement fan for the card itself, the more likely it will be quieter. Some fan makers tell you whether it is quieter or not.
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"BUT i think something is fishy about newegg*the box isn't plastic wrapped* like one off a shelf in a store..."

They don't always have plastic wrap on them, but it should have had a seal on it that has to be broken or peeled off to open up the box - that should have been intact when you got the box.

"....i bought 5 Lite-on DH20A4P atapi ide dvd writers and they all came just in plastic* "

There's nothing fishy about that.
That's called OEM packaging - no frills, no box, just the essentials. It saves them and you bucks. Sometimes they are listed as BULK packaged - they get a whole bunch of them in one large box - they have only enough on them to prevent them from easily getting scratched or dusty, and/or just to contain what docs or CDs they come with.
You can commonly get mice and keyboards that are packaged that way too.
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(It has a NVidia card on it at present) "I NEED to take it out..."

You can, but the Recovery will probably go okay anyway.

The Recovery software probably has no drivers for the NVidia card. If you leave it in the video will probably be default VGA when the Recovery process has finished.

On the other hand the Recovery software MAY refuse to install it's software if the NVidia card is still installed, because that disables the onboard video.

If you take it out before you run the Recovery software, you will have the onboard video as it was when you first got thecomputer.


"....and uninstall all my other software before I do a reformat! *RIGHT*""

You don't have to un-install ANY software when you do a full (destructive) Recovery procedure - the Recovery software deletes at least the data contents of C at thebeginning of the process. I don't know whether it will delete the partition and re-make it - if it does it probably re-formats the partition at the same time, at least when you delete and re-make a partition when you use a regular 2000 or XP CD to install Windows, that's what 2000 and XP do. Formatting is not normally a separate step in 2000 and XP.
If you are asked whether to choose a Quick Partitioning (or formatting), don't choose that - the alternate (full) is slower, but it checks the hard drive thuroughly for errors (bad or iffy sectors) , and that's a better thing.

"then hit what key for a proper reformat?"

The Recovery procedure probably does that automatically.
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"I CAN,T say I know how to correctly backup files what's involved* can you explain the best/easy way to do that?"

You DO have to save, or make backup files and save, the data you don't want to lose, such as your Firefox bookmarks (see the end of response14) , to somewhere else, BEFORE you run the Recovery procedure.

If there's anything else you want to save, such as email you've saved on your drive you'd rather not lose, and/or the address book info for an e-mail program, which includes other peoples's e-mail addresses, etc., such as in Outlook Express or Outlook, let me know what that is you want to save and I'll point you to info about how to do that.
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"i run my disc cleanup all the time"

So why do you still have duplicate files then?

It's a waste of time running defrag in modern operating systems, unless you are very short on partition free space, a situation you should not get yourself into in any case.
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"do you know my email name? if not can i sneak it in to you?"

I haven't looked for it. It's not revealed by default unless you enable that in your personal settings for this site, if you can even do that here. It's not a good idea to type it in your posts - not because of us who answer or those who otherwise use this site legitimately abusing the use of it - because of bad guys who troll for e-mail addresses on the net who might find it and cause you trouble.
I would rather just communicate with you here than by e-mail, unless there's something you want to communicate you don't want to be on the web. Normally I only communicate by e-mail with those who post here when there's info or docs I have that they could use that can't be easily found on the web.
But if you really insist, if you PM me here and reveal your e-mail address in that, I'll respond.
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"I hate I.E virus city and they embed codes all the time* "

When IE is installed, a lot more software is installed than just for the IE browser - that other software is used by many other Windows programs including Firefox.

Some malware targets the IE browser, but it's likely it also targets other things in Windows that have nothing to do with the browser.

"i need to learn more about adding partitions"

If you have only one hard drive on a brand name system with it's original software installation, you can't make another partition on that drive with Windows itself without deleting the existing C partition and all the data on it. If you delete the second partition that is always on the original drive on a brand name software installation, or it's data contents, you lose theability to Recover the original software by using asingle Recovery CD, because it requires the data contents of that secondpartition to be there - you then need a Recovery CD SET to re-install the original software, and if you have not already made a set, you probably will not be able to make one AFTER the data contents of the second partition are gone .
You can use third party software (generically called partition manipulation software) to reduce the size of the C partition without losing the data already on it, and make another partition in the then un-allocated space, but your Recovery software does not allow for that and the added partition will be probably be wiped out when you do a destructive Recovery procedure.

However, when you have a desktop brand name computer, it is easy to add another hard drive, and make one or more partition(s) on that, and that will not be touched if you do a destructive Recovery procedure.
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If you have not already done so, I urge you to make a Recovery CD SET for your system, NOW, so that you can Recover your original software installation even if the original hard drive fails and you need to replace it, or in case the data on the orginal hard drive's second partition gets corrupted.
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" I know how to relign my drive letters and that is one reason I took off s-pack 3 it messed up my drive letters "

Do you mean to say .....
I DON"T know how to relign my drive letters .....

That was NOT a suffcient reason to un-install SP3 updates, on it's own.

How could they have gotten get screwed up ?
Do you have more than one optical drive?

Did you install Nero or Roxio burning software, or some other burning software suite, and you ended up with an extra CD drive and the letter for it? If you did ,some of their software suites have a module that installs a VIRTUAL optical drive - it makesan extra CD drive appear in Device Manager, My Computer, and Windows Explorer, but it's a VIRTUAL drive ONLY used by the burning software. E.g. Nero's such module is called ImageDrive. If you don't like that being there you usually can un-install the software module separately that loads it!

The drive letters assigned to flash drives and some other USB connected devices data can be stored on are assigned in the order of the drive letters that were not already being used that were available when the device was plugged in - if you have more than one and plug them in in a different order, their drive letters will be different! Whatever drive letters assigned to them are retained by Windows until you unplug the device.
E.g. if you had two flash drives plugged in , one assigned F, the other G, if you unplug the one that was assigned F, the other one will still be G until it is unplugged, and if it's not unplugged, F becomes available to whatever flash drive is plugged in next, H to another flash drive when it's plugged in, if the first two were not unplugged .

You can EASILY change ANY drive letter that is assigned to an optical drive or a hard drive partition, other than the drive letter of the partition Windows sees itself as installed on which is usually C, to any drive letter that is not already being used, from C to Z.
If a drive letter you want to assign is already being used, you can assign another unused drive letter to the drive that is using it to free up the drive letter you want to use, then use that to change the drive letter of a drive you want to change the letter of.
You do that in Control Panel - Classic View - Administrative Tools - Computer Management - Disk Management.



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#23
March 4, 2009 at 20:22:20
I missed seeing this....

I NEED to ask I have found a h.p phenom fx 2.66 ghz quad X4 A6614F Brand new*vista premium with 6gb ram for
$395 buy it now* or i can bid* the guy has a 100% feedback rating
he claims some of his software doesn't run on 64 bit am I gonna run into the same problem? I just sold a hp a8300f media center with no tuner stuff for $500 and I am really interested in theses quad systems and 64 bit* this is an awesome deal if it will run my software? i guess i need a answer on that one*"

I advise against buying ANY brand name system - there are too many disadvantages, unless you actually benefit from, and NEED,the extra included software that it comes with . You are usually much better off overall buying a generic system.
E.g.
I get email from Tigerdirect several times a week. About every second email there is a special deal on a bare bones generic system - e.g. mid or taller case, often has a card reader bulit in, keyboard, mouse, decent but not top brand name power supply, 3gb of ram, Phenom cpu, mboard, as little as $400, as much as $200 off the cost of the pieces bought separately.
You have to as well buy a Windows CD or DVD, and an optical drive or two but they're as little as $25 bucks or so each.

"he claims some of his software doesn't run on 64 bit am I gonna run into the same problem? "

Quite likely.
You probably do not need 64 bit anything. It will NOT make your computer run any faster.

You probably would NOT benefit from having a Phenom, other than the one core you would be using of the 4 in the quad will give you a lot better performance than the one core you are using now, or the performance of the one core you would be using of the 4 in the quad Phenom may be a bit better than the one core you would be using of the two in a 64 X2 cpu.


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#24
March 5, 2009 at 08:13:15
thanks I would love for you to build me a p.c I have a spare bare bones case I bet you could really build a monster lol :-) WOW that 3870 sapphire ati came with everything* 1 HDMI + DVI adapter+a S-video to r.c.a cable+ molex +6 pin cable adapters and drivers**QUESTION* i,m not gonna be using the gaming mode feature do I still need to hook up the pin that goes to the mo bo? or just the power supply cable?? I had a asus 4670 b-new it didn't come with any adapters only a cd cheap asus! THESE ARE both pci-e 2.0 what is the 2.0 and is it gonna work in this h.p a1314n X2 I think that is part of the above question.I do burn a lot of movies but i don't know why my optical drive letters E+F disapeard one day h.p said it could be s-pack 3 I have some of those system blowers and some cheap 80mm fans I bought on ebay* the fans are noisy but would cool* I still think it would be a good idea to grill some more holes in the side case* h.p sure doesn't do much for case cooling on any of their cases OH check this out a guy from craigs list responded to a trade I had up and gave me a cd he claimed was a volume licensed X.P PRO S-pack 2 HE said he's a tech and I installed it in a old h.p it worked after doing all the updates it said X.P RO S-pack 2- 2002 I DON'T know if he ripped me off* he claimed it was a copy of 1 of his playboy corporate edition* I,m afraid to use it on one of my p.c,s i sold that old p.c too old/slow I need a cheap p.c for my parrot with a fish etc screen saver she listens to my t.v but can,t watch she enjoyed the fishes but I gotta find another iv,e been looking ebay/craigs/list they are all hitting over $220 for old ones darn it*
I have a 3-4 yr old 27" RCA flat screen iv,e been watching my dvds on IV,E BEEN TOLD even with a pc to t.v converter box my plan to link my t.v to my p.c this old set won,t deliver a high enough resolution*is that true? thanks have a super day I love chatting with you you make my bedridden state feel better* rick

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#25
March 5, 2009 at 15:44:13
"i,m not gonna be using the gaming mode feature do I still need to hook up the pin that goes to the mo bo? or just the power supply cable??"

If it came with a cable to connect two cards together in Crossfire mode, probably a flat ribbon one, you can't connect two cards together on this mboard because you have only one PCI-E X16 slot - that you don't need to connect. Only AMD or ATI main chipsets, and a small number of Intel chipsets, supports Crossfire mode in any case - a NVidia chipset supports only SLI mode, not Crossfire mode.
The extra power socket on thecard MUST be connected to the power supply. If the power supply doesn't have the right connector (only one type can physically plug into the socket on the card) , and if the card did not come with a wiring adapter, you will have to get a wiring adapter locally.

"I had a asus 4670 b-new it didn't come with any adapters only a cd cheap asus! "

Whatever comes with the card varies - newegg and tigerdirect often have pictures of what it comes with, and/or tell you that in the description for the card. The Sapphire and ATI cards often come with everything.

"THESE ARE both pci-e 2.0 what is the 2.0 and is it gonna work in this h.p a1314n"

The PCI-E X16 2.0 standard is backwards compatible, so it will work in your mboard even if it is not PCI-E X16 2.0 compliant - if it isn't the card may have a slight max performance "hit" of, say. 10% less, but if you don't use anything that requires more oomph , e.g. recent games, you're not going to notice the difference.
HP, and most brand namesystem builders, doesn't make it's own mboards - I may or may not be able to find out which manufacturer actually made it. Whether your mboard is PCI-E X 16 2.0 cpmpliant or not may be in thespecs for the model or the mboard on the HP site somewhere.

".... i don't know why my optical drive letters E+F disapeard one day h.p said it could be s-pack 3 "

Various things can cause that but it probably had nothing to with SP3 updates.
Technical support is only as good as the expertise of the person who anwsers you - you may have been talking to, or otherwise communicating with, some guy in India!
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As I said in respons 14....
"Your 650 watt power supply probably has(a) better fan(s) that move more air than the original PS did - you may not need a case fan on the case itself because of that."

You may not need to drill extra holes or enlarge existing holes either.
There are holes at the front of the case too - air is drawn from the bottom of the front. Try the case as is for the time being. If you do install a case fan AMD has proven thru tests it's the most effective if it's up as high as you can mount it at the back of the case. All case fans on the back should blow OUT of the case. Case fans on the side of the case are best used to blow IN towards the cpu, preferably through a duct or a tube, and your cpu probably does not need extra cooling.

" check this out a guy from craigs list responded to a trade I had up and gave me a cd he claimed was a volume licensed X.P PRO S-pack 2 HE said he's a tech and I installed it in a old h.p it worked after doing all the updates it said X.P RO S-pack 2- 2002 I DON'T know if he ripped me off* he claimed it was a copy of 1 of his playboy corporate edition* I,m afraid to use it on one of my p.c,s"

Computers do not normally come with a volume license (corporate) Product Key unless they were definately used by a business - they're quite rare to come along with a used computer otherwise. There are lots of volume license Product Keys being used illegitimately. You could try using the CD with the Product Key he gave you, but if it's from an illegitimate source, it's likely Microsoft will eventually add it to their list of fraudulantly used keys that is read whenever you attempt to Activate Windows or when the Genuine Advantage tool is used before you download certain Microsoft software, and when it is found to be illegitimate, you will be nagged about you needing to get a valid Product Key, you won't be able to download any Microsoft software that requires it to pass the Genuine Advantage test, and you will not be able to Activate Windows after that.
I looked around not long ago, and found Microsoft no longer allows you to buy volume licenses for XP, or additional single licences for XP.

"I need a cheap p.c for my parrot with a fish etc screen saver she listens to my t.v but can,t watch "

My sister in law has 3 sun conurs and two cockatiels.
The cockatiels are in the living room and get along with everyone after a short while, but the conurs don't - they are in their own room, and they attack my brother, her husband, despite the fact they see him frequently .
They all seem to be interested in all sorts of sounds but don't comprehend the video very well., unless it's of birds or something they might like to eat. They all enjoy it when there are birds close by outside they can see and hear. The conurs raise a ruckus when they can see someone they're not familar with.
It doesn't matter if the computer is really old for that purpose - anything that will run Win 95 and up will do.
Try the local newspaper classified ads, local specialty publications that have listing for used computers.

"I have a 3-4 yr old 27" RCA flat screen iv,e been watching my dvds on IV,E BEEN TOLD even with a pc to t.v converter box my plan to link my t.v to my p.c this old set won,t deliver a high enough resolution*is that true?"

If it DOES have a VGA port but not a DVI port, you can use the DVI to VGA adapter on one of the card's DVI ports and a VGA cable (male to male?) and get a good result with that.

If it doesn't have a VGA or DVI monitor port, then you're limited to using TV Out on the card.
- if it has a single component video port (female RCA, often yellow; the other two, often red and white, are for audio, L & R) or a S-Video port, you can connect a single TV Out output from a video card to the TV (RCA or S-Video, one or the other, not both), but TV Out output is inferior to monitor input/output, it's limited to a 60HZ vertical refresh rate, and you can only choose resolutions in Windows for the TV that are supported by the TV Out on the video card.
- if the TV has HD component video jacks (3 female RCA, none of them red or white), and the video card has 3 HDTV component video outputs (3 female RCA, none of them red or white), you can connect those and have better video on the TV than the older TV out standard, but it's still not as good as connecting to a VGA or DVI port on the TV in monitor mode.



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#26
March 6, 2009 at 07:12:05
oh you are so smart and funny* :)my parrot is a 6 yr old
yellow nape amazon A very expensive rare exotic smart breed* she is a crack up*and very well behaved* I raised her from a baby and she is my 25th amazon in my life* I would love to be able to email you some pics* she love to pose*and I have shots you would never believe*AS for the volume licensed disk this guy builds p.c,s for a living* and he made me a dod wipe disk also* the old h.p xt859 was just to old for me it only had a 256mb cap* and had me on it so I wiped it and installed his XP.PRO S-pack 2 it worked just fine got all updates and was validated*licensed guys/shops do have volume licensed copies of op systems for customers*BUT I read on a site* that some chick had bought a p.c that was as above but her copy was bogus after a year* and it also said micro-s would still do the updates because they don,t want people spreading viruses on the net lol well I got 2 nice cameras from a friend and I wanna sell some stuff on ebay they offered me 3 free listings but the d-line might have passed* i love ebay* it is so addictive*i have scored some sweet deals*I prefur refurbs over new do you I think and have read new things like lcd monitors are better in refurbished*I Bought 2 hp W2007h and they have been awesome*as great as a b-new these rotate brite view etc! if you go to hp.com in the product search bar* type hp a1314n desktop then below type specification you will get all the info on my 2 p.c,s one had a udma hdd i bought on ebay the guy screwed me*I put in a sata2 exactly like my original but for soe reason I can,t get the desktop speakers to get loud* I think it's some 3rd party software i had on the hdd well it's getting close to to get off my behind and reformat this puppy* I just need to read if I can save a ton of bookmarks*I,M sure not looking forword to doing it but I have no choice* it has to be done every stupid thing I try to open* the stupid windows installer interupts the progress* it's so messed up and I can,t even install any versions of net frame work which I need or visual basics* well wanna see my parrot?
have a great day (/*_*\) rick n boogie girl

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#27
March 6, 2009 at 09:49:43
"licensed guys/shops do have volume licensed copies of op systems for customers"

It isn't those legitimate guys who are the problem. Microsoft is very vigourous at legally going after any business that is selling copies of Windows with Product Keys they didn't come with, so they would be out of business financially in a short time if they chose that route - all in takes is for one suspicious person to report them to Microsoft.
The average person has no need for a volume licensed Product Key. The bad guys use them or provide them because they can be used for more than one computer at a time. Lots of legitimate volume licensed Product Keys have been made available on the web to anyone who searches, and when Microsoft catches on, EVERYONE using that Product Key is considered to be using it fraudulantly - legitimate uses of that key can be assigned another key if they can prove they are legitimate users to Microsoft's satisfaction, but anyone else using a fraudlantly used key is SOL after that point.

All it takes for a Product Key to be found valid while running Setup is it must comform to the rules of a specific mathematical alogarhythum (?sp) - there are key generators available on the web that will generate a random Product Key according to what those rules require. There are also lists of volume licensed keys on the web.
Whether the Product Key will be accepted when you try to Activate Windows, or when the Genuine Advantage tool is used before you are allowed to download certain Microsoft software, is another matter . Microsoft has a list of keys for 2000 and up known to be fraudulantly used that is continuously being updated that is referenced whenever you try doing either of those things - many of them are volume licensed keys.

"...her copy was bogus after a year..."

Obviously the key was fraudulantly used.

"..it also said micro-s would still do the updates because they don,t want people spreading viruses on the net "

The last time I checked, that's true, for XP at least, but Windows is then somewhat crippled.
- you can only use Windows for a max. 30 days - once that time is up, the only way you can continue using it, other than by using some illegal tweak, is to wipe the contents of the partition Windows was installed on off the hard drive, and install it again from scratch, in which case yields you up to another 30 days of use. Obviously, if everything you installed was on that one partition, that involves a lot of time on your part re-installing things each time you install Windows again..
- you cannot manually use the Windows Updates web page on the Microsoft web site to download and install updates, but Automatic Updates still works fine, and you MAY be able to download some of the same software as found when you manually use the Windows Updates web page elsewhere on the Microsoft site.
- you cannot download certain Microsoft software unless it passes the Genuine Advantage tool test.
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"I prefur refurbs over new do you I think and have read new things like lcd monitors are better in refurbished"

I dependson what has actually been refurbished.
If there is a description of what their definition of refurbished is, or what components have been refurbished, read it - if not, look elsewhere.
Sometimes they are merely new or almost new items that were returned and have been checked out and found to be in perfect working order - the person who returned it was probably charged a fee for re-stocking and other overhead because there was nothing wrong with the item, and you pay less because of that.

On the other hand, LCD monitors , LCD TVs, and LCD displays in laptops have a backlight or backlights that has/have a finite life that is a lot LESS on average than for a CRT monitor tube, especially if the brand is not a quality one like Samsung, so it is NOT a good idea to buy a used LCD monitor, LCD TV, or a laptop, or the display module for a laptop, unless you can confirm the backlight(s) (CCFL(s) ) have been replaced.


""one had a udma hdd i bought on ebay the guy screwed me*I put in a sata2 exactly like my original but for soe reason I can,t get the desktop speakers to get loud*"

Your speaker loudness varies according to which audio chipset is on the mboard or on a card in a slot. In addtion to that some older sound cards and onboard sound have a built in amplifier in the chipset - newer sound chipsets usually do not.
The hard drive you install has absolutely nothing to do with that.

The max UDMA an IDE hard drive can be capable of depends on what the capacity of the drive is - e.g. 80gb drives or less are max UDMA100, not max UDMA133.
There are two types of SATA drives - the original SATA, capable of up to 150mb/sec burst data transfer speeds, and the newer SATA-II, which most if not all new SATA drives are, capable of up to 300mb/sec burst data transfer speeds.
On older mboards with only SATA and not SATA-II support, the mboard main chipset may recognize a SATA-II drive can only run it at a max 150mb/sec, of it may not recognize the SATA-II driveat all unless the drive has pins on it a jumper can be installed on to force the drive to run at only up to 150mb/sec max.

"....every stupid thing I try to open* the stupid windows installer interupts the progress....."

As I pointed out in response 17, you can use the Windows Installer Cleanup Utility to get rid of what caused that, or you may be able to disable entries in msconfig - startup to prevent that from popping up, and that was probably caused by the software not installing properly because of something YOU didn't do properly.
If you don't know what to try disabling in msconfig-startup, disable everything there from loading to see if that stops the Windows Installer pop up!
Whatever .Net Framework problem you have can probably also be easily fixed if you provide me or us with a proper descrition of your symptoms and/or error messages you are getting.

However, it sounds like your Windows installation has a lot more than just those things wrong with it and you might as well do the full (destructive) Recovery procedure.
.......

As I said in response 22

Any hard drive partition or optical drive letter assignment problem you have is easily fixed.

"If you have not already done so, I urge you to make a Recovery CD SET for your system, NOW, so that you can Recover your original software installation even if the original hard drive fails and you need to replace it, or in case the data on the orginal hard drive's second partition gets corrupted."

There is probably a HP supplied program already in your All Programs list somewhere with which you can do that.
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" if you really insist, if you PM me here and reveal your e-mail address in that, I'll respond.

One or a few pictures of your bird would be okay, but please don't send more than that. The hard drive Windows partition on my 98SE computer I have my e-mail program on does not have much free space.


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#28
March 6, 2009 at 12:17:26
wow your running widows 98 se talk about old fashion*lol I
feel the same way* i stayed with I.E 6 FOR years and just recently went to 7 and I won,t let them put service pack 3 on it just aint gonna happen*to many people have had problems with s-pack 3*but you disagree that's ok* i,m gonna make a set of recovery cds I really don't need them my system has it built in* you know those t-direct barebones at around $400 is to high+shipping* I have bought plenty of stuff from them.eg my 650w p-supply and other stuff*I would buy more from them if they offered free shipping*and BTW people don,t know this but comp usa is the same company just a pretty pink catalog lol
my doctor is a p.c freak too I sent him a trillion dollar bill pic and a obama food stamp lol i have tons of the coolest funniest picsI
he told me they have a sata 3 out now wow sweet i,m on a
sata 2 /western digital 16mg on both p.c,s and the sound on the other has to be the 3rdparty software they both are realtek ac97
but i have added a nice goody called a WDM_A402 at real teks site they are cool or search WDM_A402they add surround sound features in all kinds of different modes*but on win 98 BE A waste of time*why so old BTW are you tom? is this your site? i,m gonna try to pm you soon and I really need to explore this site more lots of info here*I SEE* LATE

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#29
March 6, 2009 at 14:39:40
"many people have had problems with s-pack 3"

see response 21
You probably won't have any problems with SP3 updates if you install them as one of the first things you install after you run the Recovery procedure.

"i,m gonna make a set of recovery cds I really don't need them my system has it built in"

I've seen many instances reported here where the built in recovery often becomes useless when something major goes wrong with your brand name software installation - you should always make the Recovery CD set while Windows still works properly, preferably when you first get the computer.

"...sata 3 out now... "

Another thing that is marketing hype is the maximum UDMA speed a drive can run at. It's a burst data transfer speed ONLY, and only applies for brief periods of time - a few minutes at the most. The vast majority of the time the data transfer rate is much slower than that. It depends on the size of the memory cache built into the hard drive's logic board. Even when the max burst speed is used, when a drive continues to be accessed, the memory cache is exhausted in a short time and the drive's max data transfer slows down to it's much slower sustained data transfer rate - e.g. the highest sustained data transfer rate I've seen for recent hard drives is about 60mb/sec - that's only about twice what it typically was in 2000 or so, mostly because the tracks the data is stored on the drive are closer together than they were back then, and more data can be stored on each track lately.

A higher UDMA rating does make a noticable difference while booting and when loading smaller files that fit completely within the memory cache size , but it makes little difference for transferring huge files or other continuous procedures that exceed the max time the memory cache on the drive can handle.
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Why do I still use 98SE ?
- because I still can, it's relatively stable, I know it very well, I have reference books for it I can refer to for what I don't know about it when I can't find an answer online, and I rarely have any problems with malware with it because most malware bad guys are targetting 2000 and up these days.
I loaded 98SE on my computer (Epox MVP3-G5, SS7, K6-III 450) I built from all new pieces at the beginning of 2000 and it's still the system I use the most, but I also have XP Home on a newer system (Asus A7V600, socket A, XP 3000+, 2.15ghz, 512mb ram), and several other working older computers, one of which my Dad uses upstairs (98SE, a slightly older Epox SS7 mboard, K6-2 500).

I have re-loaded many other people's systems, and I always try to preserve their personal stuff they don't want to lose and restore it later, and re-install all the programs it had on the system before that they still want to use.

I have built several other systems with newer mboards than I have for others, including one with an AM2 mboard, 6000+ 64X2 cpu (Michelle's; two different mboards, soon to be a third AM2+ one) and one with a AM2+ mboard, 6400+ 64X2 cpu.
I have installed older mboards to replace failed mboards on a few systems, on systems running 98SE and XP Home.

Michelle has XP MCE 2005, and used to have XP Pro (with a fraudulant volume licensed Product Key that eventually was not accepted as valid), so I have experience with those. One computer I loaded had 2000 and I installed XP aswell so I have had a little experience with 2000 and dual booting.

I started fiddling with computers in 1988 or 1989.
I used Dos 3.2, 3.3. 5.0. 6.0, 6.2. and Win 3.1 before I got 98SE.
I've fiddled with systems with 98, one with ME, only a little, 95 , very little.


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#30
March 6, 2009 at 15:06:44
well you seem to be quite smart with these boxes* I 2 of these a1314n amd athlons64X2 3800+2.4 gig 4gb but when I format i,m gonna take out 1 gig as you said and put it in the other one it only has 2 gb when i do this it'd best to take out the nvidia card don,t you think? and when I put in the sapphire SHOULD I disable the onboard video adapter? I think I read in that asus manual that your suppose to do that so there's no conflicts* a guy is selling a new Xati radeon 1900 XT 512MG it's at $41 live auction they were quite expensive if it's under $60-70 it would be a great buy wouldn't it? and please tell me how to p.m you in here thanks and i'll let you build me a super fast p.c lets talk overclocking mine for max settings late

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#31
March 6, 2009 at 16:19:14
"when i do this it'd best to take out the nvidia card don,t you think?"

See response 22

"when I put in the sapphire SHOULD I disable the onboard video adapter?"

On almost all mboards made in the last ten years or so, installing a video card in a slot automatically disables the onboard video - there is no setting to disable the onboard video in the bios Setup - there is no jumper on the mboard you can move to disable the onboard video. When the onboard dvideo is disabled, the settings for the ram shared with the onboard video in the mboard bios Setup are ignored by the bios.

" a guy is selling a new Xati radeon 1900 XT 512MG it's at $41 live auction they were quite expensive if it's under $60-70 it would be a great buy wouldn't it?"

Look at the prices for the same thing (1900XT) new.
See the specs at the end of response 15 .
The 3870 is probably a bit better overall - it probably has more shaders, but you won't see the difference if you don't play recent games.
Yes it would be a good deal if you can get it cheap enough - just don't be the only one bidding or you'll be obligated to buy it.

"please tell me how to p.m you in here"

Click on your My Computing. net at the top of the page on the right in the green bar, select PM Center, SEND message to: Tubesandwires, type your e-mail address and anything else you want to.
If you already have PMs theret hat's at the bottom of the page.
A PM is supposed to be brief.

"lets talk overclocking mine for max settings "

I have not messed with overclocking much, but at best it only yields you at most maybe an 5% increase in peformance.
I would have to be able to view your bios settings somewhere - that's often not possible online for an HP bios version because those are almost always not shown in a HP manual , and you often can't overclock much, or sometimes nothing at all, in the brand name bios versions.
The easiest way of you getting max performance is for you to buy and install the fastest cpu your mboard will support - ones for your mboard socket (939) are relatively cheap.


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#32
March 6, 2009 at 16:37:23
yeah if i only knew how to put a socket in that's about the onlt thing iv,e never tried* iv,e done everthing else inside a p.c but change a cpu and i will never ever mess with a heat sink again lol trying to line 2000 pins back up is like trying to get a date with nicole kidman lol that card went for $39 i missed it by $1 i bid $39 but it didn't go in in time or something i was so mad that as a great deal they sold for about $200+

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#33
March 6, 2009 at 19:41:27
There aren't normally any pins you need line up for the heatsink, but sometimes the thermal pad or thermal paste between the bottom of the heatsink and the top of the cpu sticks so well to the top of the cpu it's as if the two have been crazy glued together, and you often can't get at the lever that locks the cpu into the socket to raise it and easliy release thecpu if you can't remove the heatsinkfrom the cpu. When you remove the heatsink by pulling straight up the cpu is pulled out of it's socket forcibly - in that case, yes, it is difficult to line up the pins on the cpu with the holes in the socket - you are sometimes better off removing the mboard from the case so you can see what you're doing better.
When the cpu is removed from the heatsink it's easy to line up with the holes in the socket - one corner on the cpu and the socket is marked - you just line them up.

Usually once the heatsink 's unclamped it works to push down on it and twist it from side to side to break it's bond to the top of the cpu. If not then you re-clamp the heatsink and reinstall thecpu fan if you removedit and run the computer until the heatsink gets as warm as it's going to get and try again. If that isn't enough then you have no choice except to unclamp and pull straight up on the heatsink with the cpu stuck to the bottom of it.

If you re-install that cpu or another cpu, with the same heatsink, if it had a thermal pad, if it got damaged when you removed the heatsink from the cpu, or if it had thermal paste and it hardened, you have to scrape it off, both sides if applicable, and install a new thermal pad or thermal paste or thermal grease between the heatsink and the cpu . Thermal grease has the advantage it never hardens. You can re-use thermal grease, or thermal grease if it hasnot hardened, aslong as it's not contaminated.


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#34
March 7, 2009 at 10:58:57
well i,m not even gonna ever try that* I released a heat sink one time and could never line up all those pins for the life of me* lol
like the italian mafiosos say* forget about it* I am so mad today that video card I PLACED a $38 bid on and supposedly it sold for $39 but that was a lie the creep re listed it* same serial number everything*just can,t belie the crap that ebay allows* I also bid $200.00 on a h.p a1600nX2 it said I was outbid at $202.50 but this morning I see a second chance offer to buy it for $200 I told the guy to go pound sand it would have been $238.00 with the shipping I CAN,T believe how expensive old p.c,s are going for it's crazy* I GOT my other h.p a1314n with a old printer and infinity speakers for $182.00 total* just about 3 months ago* and were in a depression*everybody's dumping those phenom quads 64 bit I don,t know why? but there are so many* I wanna start selling on flea bay but I don,t know where these clowns are buying these lots of p,c,s and video cards they seem to be the biggest selling items*and wow Ifound the money catagory my god there are so many old bills from way back to the 1800,s very expensive and there getting bids unreal*

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#35
March 7, 2009 at 12:03:06
"supposedly it sold for $39 but that was a lie the creep re listed it* same serial number everything*"

"I was outbid at $202.50 but this morning I see a second chance offer to buy it for $200 "

In both cases whoever won the bidding probably wasn't actually able to pay.
E.g. I believe ebay changed their payment requirements such that it now requires payments via Paypal to have a confirmed home address in the Paypal info - I don't - that requires I submit bank account info to Paypal and I would rather not do that. If I can't pay via my Mastercard, I can't buy the item if a confirmed home address is required for a Paypal payment .
Also, my Mastercard is a "Cheque Wise" card - it's the same as a bank PIN card, except you don't have to supply a PIN number - it is tied to a bank account - if there's no money there, the transcation doesn't go through. Transactions are treated the same way as for a certified check at the bank - whatever amounts have been paid for with the card are HELD until the item is actually paid for. Most of the time you can use it as if it were a regular credit card, but sometimes the transaction won't go through because somehow it can be detected that it isn't a regular credit card.


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#36
March 7, 2009 at 12:17:52
I won, give paypal my checking account# I use their my paypal+ cc card to buy stuff and I think those were both shill bids
if 2 creeps in a row back to back didn't pay I find that very hard to believe that clown with the video card has lots of models he just wanted more money* f-him i sent him a message that was cruel*like he was i was the winning bidder if the guy defaulted* but he just canceled the auction and re listed it* b.s and where are these bozo's buying these boxes so cheap I wanna find out and start selling too i sent you a p.m don,t you wanna see my birdie?

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#37
March 8, 2009 at 09:09:35
I DON,T believe it what was that crap? I clicked on this link from my mail and PCANTIMALWARE2009 JUST STARTED SCANNING darn caps my eyes are so bad* SO PLEASE tell me what to type in the box when my p.c boots and this stupid camera installer pops up*before it was a hp resource thing i,m so fed up i,m ready to just forget all my bookmarks a mile long lol but my saved cached for websites is what hurts that's a rough loss so many sites and believe me there is no possible fixes I can do on this it is just got to many corruptions*and my other one i told you i can,t get loud sound out of i was thinking back before when it was udma god what is udma old dinasour
hdd but even then it had weak /no sound maybe the on board sound device is bad* the speakers were loud on the xt858 their infinitys i have no idea late have a great sunday

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#38
March 8, 2009 at 11:04:14
CUTE MIKE NOW i don,t need that new sapphire card i bought cause the quad has a dvi port what's better put in the new card or use a splitter? and I could have bought a brand new h.p x9150e for about the same price they only have 500 gb hdd and 4gb so i,m wondering should I buy 2gbbump to 7 gb?
(mine) has a 750 5gb in sundays ads everywhere and FRYS do you have them up there is selling my ddr2 6400.800 mghtz 1
2 gig kingston for $19.99 wow that's cheap my p.c3200 ram is about $30 with the tax! YOU know anytime you buy a t.v or a p.c in cali they charge a $10 waste recycle fee and I was rapping with our garbage truck driver 2 days ago and he said they don,t recycle nothing it all gets buried* what a SCAM* cali's laws are B.S and they got plenty like you wouldn,t believe*

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#39
March 8, 2009 at 11:58:36
You clicking on that probably has loaded the FAKED symptoms that are installed by the makers of what is generically called "rogue" anti-malware software. A lot of people are getting that these days.
Those FAKED symptoms can be installed by you merely visiting a contamined web site, or, apparently in your case, by you clicking on something in a e-mail from someone who is not familiar to you, or who is but usually doesn't send you mysterious attachments (their e-mail address was found on the web somewhere and used to deceive you) - those are especially suspicious if they have no text in the main message, or they do or the title just says something that encourages you to click on the attachment.

Why did you click on the attachment?
......

When you quote something, please make sure it's spelled right and/or has spaces in the proper places.

What you probably have is the FAKED symptoms and anti-malware program installed by the maker of:
PC ANTI MALWARE 2009

"Rogue" anti-malware software is legitimate, but the aggressive tactics they use to try to fool you into buying it are frowned upon by most people and other legitimate anti-malware software makers.
The FAKED symptoms make it appear your computer is contaminated, but in reality no actual harm has been done.

Unfortunately, most anti-malware software programs cannot get rid of everything that was installed by that because they have not specialized in doing that, but in this case there is at least one anti-malware program that does specialize in doing that, and that program that will probably get rid of your probem.

If you can, go to Start - Run - type: msconfig (click OK or press Enter)

If Run is not there, let me know and I'll tell you what you need to do.

If that works, click on the Startup tab and disable everything listed there, and reboot the computer.
That should disable the automatic anti-malware scan from starting, or make it happen less often. You may still get pop ups.

When you have used msconfig to disable anything from loading, the next time you boot you will see two windows pop up titled System Configuration....
for the time being, click on the X top right in each windows to close them.

Later on, if you enable everything that was loaded before, in the second System Configuration.... window, or in msconfig when you run it, the two System Configuration.... windows will not pop up again when you boot the computer.
OR
you can click on the small box in the first System Configuration.... window to insert a check mark there, then the second System Configuration.... window will not pop up, and the two System Configuration.... windows will not pop up again when you boot the computer, but if you disabled something you need to load (most of the things that load under the Startup tab do not have to load) , you will have to run msconfig to enable it/them to load later .


Download the trial version of Malwarebytes from here:
http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam.php
Change the location it saves it to, to YOUR DESKTOP [screen].

Download the freeware Smitfraudfix from here:
http://siri.urz.free.fr/Fix/Smitfra...
Save it to YOUR DESKTOP [screen].

(If you can't use the internet without crap popping up all the time about scanning your computer, if cancelling or closing that doesn't help, download Malwarebytes and Smitfraudfix on another computer, and copy them to a USB flash drive. Insert the flash drive in your computer, and when the What do you want to do or simlar window pops up, copy the installation files to your DESKTOP [screen].)


If you can, boot into Safe mode with networking.

If you have any bootable CDs or DVDs in drives, remove them.

Press F8 repeatedly while booting, don't hold down the key, select Safe mode with networking from the boot choices menu.

Install Malwarebytes - allow it to install a shortcut to the program on your desktop screen (it does that by default). Start it up and update it, then run a full scan of your computer with it.

When the scan has finished, have Malwarebytes remove everything it found.

(If you can't boot into Safe mode with networking at that point, install and update Malwarebytes in normal mode, run it, remove everything it finds, then run it in Safe mode a second time. Don't worry about anything it finds only in the System Restore restore points - they can't infect or re-infect the computer unless you load those restore points they're in yourself - don't turn off System Restore until AFTER you are sure your symptoms are gone, if there is malware found in the restore points you want to get rid of. )

Reboot and try your computer in normal mode. If all symptoms seem to be gone, you're done.

If not, boot into Safe mode, install Smifraudfix - allow it to install a shortcut to the program on your desktop screen (it does that by default).
Run Smitfraudfix.

Note: On second thought, it may be ready to run as is - you may not need to install it first .

Reboot and try your computer in normal mode.
All your symptoms should be gone.


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#40
March 8, 2009 at 14:08:07
I'm sending the contents of the last post to you plus a bit more to you via e-mail, so that you can easily read it and print it if you need to.

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#41
March 8, 2009 at 15:06:57
"If you can, go to Start - Run - type: msconfig (click OK or press Enter)

If Run is not there, let me know and I'll tell you what you need to do."
.....

A bit more....

If Run is not there.....
sometimes part of the FAKED symptoms are there are entries you normally see missing from the Start menu. Doing the following restores some of them for at least a few minutes at a time.

RIGHT click on Start, then Properties
- there should be a green dot beside Start Menu - if there isn't click on the blank circle to place a green dot there
- click on the Customize button, then the Advanced tab
Enable everything in the Start menu items list you want to enable, by clicking on the blank circles to insert the green dot - the Run command is closer to the bottom of the list.

Note that .....
- running regedit may be disabled, so Run: regedit may not work
- the Task Manager may be disabled, so Alt-Ctrl-Del may not work, and when you RIGHT click on the bar at the bottom of the screen, Task Manager may be grayed out
- If you use My Computer or Windows Explorer, the C drive letter and other drive letters may be missing - don't worry about that - your data is still there. The drive letter for a flash drive will appear there if you plug one in.
........

continuing with the post contents.....

"If you can, go to Start - Run - type: msconfig (click OK or press Enter)"

etc.
..........................

If you run Malwarebytes a second time, or whenever you run any anti-malware program...........
Don't worry about anything it finds only in the System Restore restore points - they can't infect or re-infect the computer unless you load those restore points they're in yourself - don't turn off System Restore until AFTER you are sure your symptoms are gone, if there is malware found in the restore points you want to get rid of.

How do you know it's in a system restore point?
The location of a restore point is........
C:\System Volume Information\_restore{...........


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#42
March 8, 2009 at 16:07:53
thanks i all ready have malware bytes and smit fraud and i don,t get pop ups in fire fox wit no script as i told you it's a firewall
that blocks java and sites from accessing me unless i allow that site
i would love to have a registered copy of malware bytes i know how and where to get one* i can get any crack +key pretty much* and maybe you sent it when you sent the bird pic attachments who knows i looked at them first* i,m not infected and i have plenty of progs to scan my system that's interesting that i could uncheck all start up items and reboot* when i get that quad maybe you will be able to help e shut down crap that doesn't need to run in vista that's what i hated about it*hp tells you some things but there's more that can go*what i hate the most is vista asks you for a confirmation on every action you do and you can,t stop that*lol target has a sale they dropped the price on the 37" sylvania it's now $549 and i can get $110 of which has pretty good reviews but what really blew me away was the philips 32"
that sound and picture is awesome twice as loud as samsungs or any t.v,s same price too* i use mcafee suite it's free with my dsl what do you think of it it sure does it's job all day it does scans and i have a free tool i got at trend micro called RUbotted it works and free thanks m

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#43
March 8, 2009 at 19:10:09
You ARE Infected!

The free trial version of Malwarebytes has no resident module!
It won't find anything until you run it!
Update it and Run a full scan with it!

"maybe you sent it when you sent the bird pic attachments "

NO WAY!
I've had those pictures for years!
Besides that, those rogue anti-malware programs CANNOT infect Win 98SE!!


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