Flash bios-not with a floppy drive?

Asus P4p800-e deluxe motherboard
September 3, 2009 at 09:07:57
Specs: Ubuntu, 3.2ghz/2gig
Hi I want to update my bios on this machine but I have only ever flash a bios on a different machine once before. I think it was simple but that machine had a floppy drive and this machine doesn't. I read somewhere that you could do it with windows somewhere but i don't have windows on this machine and have no intention of putting it on here. Is there another way? I need to do this as someone said i needed to because of the extra sata drive i wanted to put inside. It will be the third hard drive but 4th drive. I have one dvd burner and 2 x sata drives of an older type. Here is a summary of some of the things in the machine:
Computer
Processor 2x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz
Memory 2074MB (251MB used)
Operating System Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.2
User Name rapattack (Dreamlinux User)
Date/Time Sun 30 Aug 2009 06:08:51 PM EST
Display
Resolution 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer GeForce4 Ti 4400/AGP/SSE2
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Multimedia
Audio Adapter ICH4 - Intel ICH5
Audio Adapter MPU-401 UART - MPU-401 UART
Input Devices
Macintosh mouse button emulation
AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
HID 04b3:310b
Power Button (FF)
Power Button (CM)
Printers
No printers found
IDE Disks
PIODATA DVD-RW DVR-108DX
SCSI Disks
ATA WDC WD360GD-00FL
ATA WDC WD360GD-00FL

Can i use a usb thumb drive to flash the bios?
This is the link to the Asus site http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_...
and this is the hard drive i want to add http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/samsu...

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#1
September 3, 2009 at 09:09:44
Oh I forgot the present bios version is 1004.001 Build date 09/24/04

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#2
September 3, 2009 at 09:11:13
Look at the boot options. If the computer can boot from a device that you can copy the files to then you can flash from it.

USB flash drive comes to mind. Or CDR disk. The operating system has little to do with it except if the only method available is to flash from within the OS. Most times there are other ways available.

You shouldn't need to flash the BIOS to connect additional SATA drives. If you have available connectors then they should work. I don't know about Linux, as that may restrict things.

Just connect the drive, make sure the SATA controller is enabled in the BIOS and then watch the POST screens to see if ALL your drives are configured by the BIOS.

FYI, there may be multiple SATA controllers. Each controller usually serves 2 SATA ports. So, if you have 4 ports you will have 2 controllers.

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#3
September 3, 2009 at 09:51:10
Oh ok I am afraid that is all above my head. Ummmm am i making the cdr or usb stick bootable? I don't know how to do that. Do i extract the files and then burn an iso?
Not sure where the sata controller is in the bios.
I was told that i needed the bios update or whatever because of the sata drive i want to connect. Something about newer type of something. It was made clear to me it has to be done especially as the bios version is so old. So I am trying to investigate myself without knowing much more.
I don't much about the sata ports ...i can see there are two for the internal hard drives that are connected now but there are another two that mention RAID and i was told not to have anything to do with RAID. Something about it not necessary or maybe because i am not experienced enough. I have no idea. The dvd drive is connected via ide and is listed as the primary master in the bios which is not what i am used to seeing.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#4
September 3, 2009 at 10:14:01
The lastest BIOS version for that board is 1009. There is a 1010.001 beta version but it would probably be best to avoid it.

Why don't you have a floppy drive? I highly recommend that you get one. However, you *may* be able to perform the flash using a USB thumbdrive & the EZ Flash method. How to flash the BIOS is fully explained in the manual beginning on page 4-1:

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb...


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#5
September 3, 2009 at 10:27:12
Is there something I'm missing? I only see two SATA ports on that motherboard.

(edit) Oops sorry! I see the others now. Wow, he's got a plethora of hard drive ports. ;-)


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#6
September 3, 2009 at 10:39:21
"Is there something I'm missing? I only see two SATA ports on that motherboard"

LOL, I never even checked....


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#7
September 3, 2009 at 10:47:40
DO NOT UPDATE BIOS.

You have 4 SATA Ports, according to the Asus link you posted :

ICH5R South Bridge:
-2 x UltraDMA 100/66/33
-2 x Serial ATA, RAID 0,1 function

Promise 20378 RAID controller:
-1 x UltraDMA 133 support two hard drives
-2 x Serial ATA
-RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 0+1, Multiple RAID

Therefore if you are installing the SATA drives on the Promise Controller you need to ensure it is active in BIOS, then you should receive a message stating finding drives just after the BIOS Post Screen Download and read the Manual.


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#8
September 4, 2009 at 02:13:44
Gee I just realised i have a usb floppy drive...silly me.

Jam-Thanks yeah I was think i shouldn't use the latest bios. I thought i would use the EZflash version/method. I have the usb floppy drive connected now even though I can't format here in linux i will do it on my windows machine and then see if the bios will use this floppy drive....anyway back in a sec and see what happens.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#9
September 4, 2009 at 02:42:24
Well i tried but not quite working. I used the EZflash way and enabled the usb floppy drive in the bios as the first boot device. At least i thought I did. In boot settings the catergories are: Boot device priority, hard disk drives and removeable drives. I went into removable drives and saw two things. Ist floppy drive and Sony USB-FDU. In the Boot device priority there was only Ist Floppy drive and not the Sony USB one so i chose Ist floppy drive. When i booted with the usb drive attached i got this 'floppy not found'. It kept trying over and over but no success. I tried to redo the whole thing again with the floppy and windows and formatting ...then bring it back to this machine but no go.

Jam-yeah i am so unclear about the ports other than what i mention. The whole sata and raid stuff is foreign to me.

MWCC-I need to do the update as i mentioned because of the bios version. Someone looked into it. As far as where the 160gig is to be plugged in at present there is no where for it as the power connection is not the same as what is on the drive. I think i need this adapter http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI... ....you might have to sign into ebay to see that link.
I am still not really understand about the whole sata thing and promise etc.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#10
September 4, 2009 at 09:43:32
I agree with MWCC. I don't think you need to flash the BIOS. You admit things are over your head. You are going to kill your board needlessly.

The most you may need to do it to install the drivers for the promise controller if Windows doesn't pick it up.

Read your motherboard manual.


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#11
September 4, 2009 at 21:12:59
Ah i don't understand why not when i was told that it was needed because of the type of sata drive i want to put in there. I wish i could find the link of the information that that person gave me about this. I just have that feeling of something over my head because of the amount of information that was posted here. I am always up for a challengue and have flashed a bios once before. I didn't know though i could kill the board. The thing is i feel i am close to getting it done but the external floppy drive is not showing up in the boot priority in the bios so i can't complete the mission so to speak.
I don't use windows on this machine so ok that leads me somewhere. I will ask the linux dudes on a linux forum.
I have been reading the manual btw but because of my medical condition it is often hard to cram so much in my head. I am doing really well though for someone that couldn't even speak a few years ago or read.
Thanks guys!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#12
September 5, 2009 at 07:57:56
I think the person that told you that is wrong. Think about this. Your motherboard came with those SATA connectors. Do you think they would put them on there and not allow them to work?

The person may believe that your BIOS is NOT 48 bit LBA compliant. That means the motherboard BIOS would not be able to properly configure a hard drive larger than 127GB.

If you connect the hard drive and the BIOS only shows 127GB instead of 160GB then you can think about flashing the BIOS.

Your issue is how you have the BIOS setting configured. You stated that was over your head. Read the manual until you understand it or at least until you have questions about it and come back with the questions.


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#13
September 5, 2009 at 19:34:07
I don't know Othehill. It was not the amount as in gig's that was the issue. It was something else. I can't remember now as i am rushing to get out the door for Fathers day.
I will have another look at the manual when i get time .

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#14
September 5, 2009 at 20:07:28
"I will have another look at the manual when i get time"

Yeah, I think you should, because it sounds like you're going about the EZFlash totally wrong. 1st you have to download BIOS file, then you have to rename it & copy to a floppy as explained in the manual. Then all you need to do is boot up & press ALT+F2 to start EZFlash & it will find the file on the floppy. It *may* not be able to read a USB floppy drive though. You didn't answer my question from a previous response - why don't you have a *real* floppy drive??


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#15
September 6, 2009 at 08:25:08
Hi I followed the instructions to the letter so it's not me...it is probably just that it is a usb floppy drive.

I don't have a real floppy drive because it is just not in that machine. This is the first time i have needed one. I will try and get one when i see another computer on the street as i am in no financial position to buy stuff. Was lucky to have been given the pc in the first place by a neighbour that thought it wasn't working.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#16
September 18, 2009 at 04:01:50
OK well got the floppy drive installed and will update the bios now!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#17
September 18, 2009 at 08:31:58
Well ok I have decided now i won't update the bios. I realised that i was going to do it because i wanted to test a hard drive that has now been pronounced dead. So i don't need to do it. As MWCC and OtheHill said 'if it ain't broke....' And it ain't! Well it least I have a floppy drive installed if i have to do anything in the future! Thanks everyone!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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