Cpu motherboard information please

November 27, 2010 at 05:23:43
Specs: WindowsXP, 3.3ghz/512mb
Hi I have been given a computer that doesn't boot up and i think the motherboard is dead but the cpu( http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AM... ) could be ok. The board was a GA-K8NNXP http://tw2005.giga-byte.com/MotherB... .
I want to replace the board with something that the cpu can use but am confused about the socket information. Some websites say that this mb supports 940 and 754. Some websites say one or the other. I don't understand what that is all about? As there are some good deals on new 940 socket mb's up the road from my place i wanted to see what the situation was. I am still learning so much about computers. Just a hobbyist!

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#1
November 27, 2010 at 08:06:49
"Some websites say that this mb supports 940 and 754"

What do you mean "some websites"? You posted a link to the motherboard page where it clearly states it's a socket 754 & the other link is to a socket 754 CPU. Seems like a no-brainer - socket 940 is NOT socket 754.

What have you done to test the board so far? You need to determine which piece of hardware is bad or you may end up throwing your money away on the wrong thing.


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#2
November 27, 2010 at 08:10:28
First of all, sounds like you are guessing on what may be wrong with the computer.

The link you provided above spells out the socket type.
"Processor Socket 754 for AMD Athlon64"

IMO it isn't worth putting any cash into. If you pull the heat sink off and look at the labeling on the processor you can determine what it actually is.

The specs you link to state the board is designed to run Athlon 64 CPUs. Look at the link below for some info on socket 940 processors.

Your link also has a processor support list, which doesn't include Opertons or Athlon 64FX processors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket...

In short, the system is outdated and not worth putting cash into. Especially when you don't know what is wrong.


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#3
November 27, 2010 at 19:05:20
Yep i am guessing but i guess that is based on my recent success with another computer with the same possible issue :0)
Yep that is what was confusing as that was the only website that said only one socket type. I know it is the manufacturers site so it should be believed above all others but i thought there was something maybe i didn't understand being such an amateur that i am.
Yep I did pull the cpu out and it is exactly that one in the link.
Yep it is an Athlon 64.
I know it is risky. I will make a decision later i think because i do get given a lot of older machines and tonight is the last day of the year that that happens. I use a lot of older machines quite successfully mainly because i use linux but this machine will replace the other amd machine that i run winxp on. That is a amd athlon XP and the processor is 2ghz. I only use the machine for video capturing from the TV and very little else but it would be nice to have a smoother capturing happening because of more grunt in the machine. That video capture card can't work in linux. They just are not interested yet to develope drivers for most video capture cards even though things are changing for some other things in linux like webcams.
Thanks OTheHill :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#4
November 27, 2010 at 20:46:43
No problem using older hardware. Just don't get caught up spending any cash on it.

I would first look at the power supply and work in from there. When you pulled off the heat sink was there any thermal compound present?


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#5
November 27, 2010 at 20:52:46
Do you know how to benchtest? I suggest you try that before doing anything else.

http://www.techsupportforum.com/har...


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#6
November 27, 2010 at 23:18:09
Yes i understand. I am used to being very tight with money being on a pension. I made a little cash recently on ebay and need to buy a few things. Not enough in the budget for new computers. :0) Thats why i posted because you and maybe some others have some insights to a better way of doing things OTheHill.

Yeah I should plug in another psu that i know is working. I hadn't thought of that.
Yep there was paste on the heatsink and the cpu. I had to wipe it to get the numbers/name of the cpu.

mickliq-I think i know what benchtesting is. OK there is a lot to read there so i will have to get back to that on another day. Sorry my disability doesn't allow me to read too much most of the time. Thanks :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#7
November 28, 2010 at 05:28:48
rapattack

I know what your situation is, you have stated before. That is why I didn't want you running off and buying anything before determining what is wrong with the rig.

Have you checked the cabling connections?

If it isn't the power supply or the RAM I wouldn't bother with it.


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#8
November 28, 2010 at 06:00:16
Thanks OTheHill :0)
Yep I checked the connections! The machine was owned by a technician i think and he gave it the once over, decided it was the mb that was at fault and pulled out the hard drive. He bought a secondhand mac to put the hard drive in. I don't think he tested much. Probably just too busy!
OK will look further into it sometime this week. I was hoping to send the cpu to my uncle to have a look at but he has a pet hate for amd's and doesn't like to look at them if he doesn't have to. He has a computer shop far away!
Anyway got a Blackberry to fix right now so that is keeping me occupied he he.....:0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#9
December 1, 2010 at 00:47:04
Would this motherboard be ok? http://www.gigabyte.com.au/products...
I looked at the cpu support and the only difference i saw was that the cpu is a clawhammer not the other ones mentioned on that page.

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#10
December 1, 2010 at 08:48:54
The link below lists all supported CPUs. Clawhammer seems to be supported. That said, You haven't yet determined what the fault of the system is. Parts swapping is not the way to troubleshoot. That is, unless you already have the parts available and don't need to buy them.

If you try a known compatible working PSU and the same for a stick of RAM and the board still won't POST then you can assume the issue lies with either the board or CPU. Testing the CPU in a different system could isolate the problem down to the board.

If I am not mistaken the processors at that time did not have thermal protection so you could burn one out by over heating it. Over voltage could also damage it. The point is that you don't know if the processor is good or not.

http://www.gigabyte.com.au/support-...


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#11
December 1, 2010 at 18:01:05
Oh ok i didn't see clawhammer in the list so i was puzzled about that :0) I am probably overtired as usual :0)
Yeah I still haven't had time to try out a good psu with this board/cpu. It takes so much effort to lay everything out as i don't have a spare table right now as well. I tried good working ram in it so i know ram is not the issue. I don't have a board that has this socket type but i will try to ask amoungst my linux friends if they have a board that they can test the cpu on. I agree that will tell me absolutely if the cpu is good or not!
The cpu did have the thermal paste on it :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#12
December 1, 2010 at 19:01:57
If the paste was not burned looking and dried out that would be a good sign but not a sure one.

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#13
December 1, 2010 at 19:07:06
How much would you have to pay for the board you linked to? Here in the states I have a place that sells refurbished pulls. I just looked for comparison sake. They have this board listed at $27.99 with free shipping.

http://3btech.net/ask8so754maw.html


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#14
December 1, 2010 at 19:53:53
I think the best deal i found was in that link i posted and it was new. I don't know how the dollar is compared to US dollars. I find all that so complicated. Anyway that place you mention wouldn't free ship to Australia. I have looked on many US sites and if they have free shipping it is not to outside the US.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#15
December 2, 2010 at 04:51:04
As I stated above. Only posted for comparison. The entire system isn't worth too much. Sometimes it is better to walk away. Here in the states folks put entire towers with newer hardware than that out to the trash.

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#16
December 2, 2010 at 05:02:38
Yeah i know. Yeah that is how i get most of my stuff from the streets lol. Most of the stuff works too. I sometimes have to do some cleaning or adjusting :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#17
December 18, 2010 at 02:19:28
OK machine is no good. I plugged in a good psu and there was a smell from the mb or the cpu straight away. So i am ditching it. Thanks for all your help :0)
Glad i didn't spend any money now. You guys are great at putting me in line lol

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#18
December 18, 2010 at 06:02:58
Oh well, at least you didn't pay for it. Thanks for getting back to us.

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#19
July 1, 2011 at 20:57:58
IF you want a FREE tool that will tell you MORE than you will ever need about your computer(s), just go to OLDVERSION.COM and download the latest EVEREST home edition. Then you don't have to GUESS, IF THE THING WILL BOOT.

If it won't boot it's always a good practice to examine each component individually, TEST them in another working computer if possible and make sure all the contacts are CLEAN and connected correctly and POSITIVELY.
Be aware that DUST alone has disabled and/or killed more computers than any other single thing I am aware of. I have to repair - maintain- upgrade lots of these stinkin' things. DO NOT BLOW it out, VACUUM it out and be SURE to use a NATURAL HOG BRISTLE (about 89 cents for a 1 inch brush at almost anyplace that sells paint) brush to loosen the dust as a Polyester or NYLON or other SYNTHETIC brush can generate STATIC (mini lightning bolts) and THAT certainly will kill the electronics.
Just be careful and as always If you don't know what you're doing, ASK someone who DOES.

"Outside of a DOG, a BOOK is mans best friend. Inside a dog it's too dark to read."
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#20
July 6, 2011 at 03:47:33
Thanks for the info but i never have compatible machines to do anything. I do all the cleaning etc just like you say. I do know about oldversion.com but not about everest. will look into this later as i just got on;ine after 2 week of no net connect plus got stacks on right now....thanks!!!!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#21
July 6, 2011 at 05:00:24
Everest is obsolete software. May be of some use on older hardware. Try SIW free version instead. Get it at the link below.

http://www.gtopala.com/siw-download...


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#22
July 6, 2011 at 05:03:19
Oh yes i use SIW on windows machines :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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