Computer will not startup with 2 sticks ram

February 17, 2011 at 21:22:52
Specs: Windows 7, AMD Athalon 64 x2 dual core/ 1G DDR2 667 Ghz SDRAM
hey guys, Ive been working on this old computer lately for a friend its an old dell model. It has a duel core processor with (used to be 1G) 512 mb ram. Problem is when i boot it up with one stick of ram it works fine...but put in the second stick and its a no go... instant shutdown. Both sticks are 512 DDR2 667Mhz SDRAM. I tried eact stick on the mother board in all 4 slotls seperatly and it worked fine but the moment i inserted them both at the same time i never even made it to turn the screen on.... any help would be greatly appreciated.

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#1
February 18, 2011 at 08:34:39
Posting the exact make/model # of PC always helps owl.

Go to , http://www.crucial.com , use the Crucial Memory Advisor Tool wizard....sounds like you need to put the RAM in specific slots (they're usually matched by color of slot).

Just another stupid saying...


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#2
February 18, 2011 at 09:32:20
Ram that works in another mboard , or any ram you buy or have lying around, may not work properly, or sometimes, not at all - even if it physically fits and is the right overall type (e.g. SDram, DDR, DDR2, etc.; PCxxxx, xxx mhz) for your mboard. In the worst cases of incompatibilty your mboard WILL NOT BOOT all the way with it installed, and the mboard may not even beep - the ram has to be compatible with the mboard's main chipset, or in the case of recent mboards, compatible with the memory controller built into the cpu.

If you still have the ram that was installed when the system worked fine, try installing just that ram.


See response 5 in this for some info about ram compatibilty, and some places where you can find out what will work in your mboard for sure:
http://www.computing.net/hardware/w...
Correction to that:
Mushkin www.mushkin.com

Once you know which module ID strings (part numbers) work in your mboard, you can get them from anywhere you like that has ram with those ID strings.

If you have brand name ram, it is usually easy to look up whether it's ID string (part number) is in a list of compatible modules found by using your mboard or brand name system model number.
If the ram is generic, that may be difficult or impossible.
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If your ram IS listed (is compatible).....

See response 2 in this - try cleaning the contacts on the ram modules, and making sure the modules are properly seated:
http://www.computing.net/hardware/w...

For a laptop, or netbook, you must remove both its main battery and AC adapter before you do that.

For a brand name computer, see the Owner's or User's manual if you need to - how to remove or replace the ram is usually in that - it may already be in your installed programs. If you can't get into Windows, it may be on a disk that came with the computer, or you can go online and look at it or download it - it's in the downloads for your specific model.

For a generic desktop computer, see the mboard manual if you need to - how to remove or replace the ram is usually in that.
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Some ram manufacturer's modules do not strictly adhere to the JEDEC standards that most mboards bioses use to determine ram settings.
In that case, the ram settings in the bios Setup that the bios has automatically chosen may not be correct.
Check the ram settings in your bios - the ram voltage, and the ram timing numbers - those should be the same as for the specs for the modules themselves. Often the ram voltage and timing numbers are printed on the label on the modules.

If the voltage setting or timings settings in the bios are different from the specs for the ram, change them in the bios. The timing numbers must be as close as you can get to the same, or slower timings (higher numbers = slower) - you won't notice the difference the slower settings make.

If you have a mix of different modules
- don't mix ram that different voltages are specified for - the bios will force the ram to use the lowest voltage, if "by spd" or similar is used (default settings) - ram that a higher voltage is specified for is more likely to not work properly in that situation.
- the bios settings must be those for the slowest timing settings of all the modules, or slower (higher numbers = slower).


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#3
February 18, 2011 at 09:53:10
hey guys thanks for the replys... the make and model of that computer is a Dell Dimension E521, in response to the above ...i appreciate the very detailed reply... however i never changed the ram that came with it. It still has the same ram and has only been acting like this as of late. I tried switching out the CPU just to see if ithat could be at fault and even with one that i know is working great it still done the same thing. There is thermal paste still on both of those CPU's and there dont seem to be any heat comming from them on startup only cool air. I put in a new power supply so i know it aint that... it's windows vista and have read a few other ppl were having issues like this as well.... i've ran out of ideas as to what could be causing it.

When i did get it to load the desktop at one point i ran everest to check on the CPU temp and they were only regestering 34 - 35 Degrees Celsius so im not to sure what else it can be. According to my friend the computer worked fine for years and then one day this started happening and i cant seem to stop it from happening. Also there is nowhere in the bios to adjust voltage on this thing. It detects it automatically and sets it accordingly. I'm listening if any of you got any more ideas as to what it might be.... I did put the ram into the same colour slots as well but ... same occurance.


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#4
February 18, 2011 at 10:14:29
Have you, or is it possible anyone else has....
- dropped this computer, or otherwise subjected it to a physical jolt ?
- spilled liquid on it, or exposed to to liquid such as rain or by spraying anything on it ?

If the answer is yes to either, a tech who posted here said that those reasons are the most common reason the mboard or other components inside the case need to be replaced because they are damaged.
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The original ram should work fine unless.....
- you or someone else did something that damaged it.
Did you unplug the AC adapter AND remove the main battery when you were fiddling with the ram? If you didn't do BOTH of those, the mboard is always powered in some places including some of the contacts in the ram slots even when the computer is NOT running, if the main battery is installed, or if it isn't but the AC adapter is connected.
Did you clean the interior of the case with a vacuum cleaner ? DO NOT use a vaccuum cleaner to do that - they produce a tremendous amount of static electricity when running, and anything connected to them can discharge that to your components !

- the computer was exposed to a power failure event while the AC adapter was plugged in that produced power spikes or power surges. That can damage the mboard or anything connected to it.

See the info in response 2 starting at:

See response 2 in this - try cleaning the contacts on the ram modules, and making sure the modules are properly seated:


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#5
February 18, 2011 at 10:51:55
heya guys, umm as far as i know ...no noone exposed it to anything, and yes i had everything disconnected as well including the battery...left it out for 20 mins to restore bios to default on the off chance it was that. Done a ram test and both sticks passed it. The machine works fine on one stick here for the moment but the moment the second is introduced it dont make it to the splash screen.

I checked out the wiring to to see if there was possibly a faulty one that might have been causing shorts or something but everything was ok. I know that he did clean the case out from dust with compressed air before he gave it to me but other then that.... I've removed and replaced all the components that made up this machine with working parts that i know are good... and still it gives me the same problem... is there any way to test the motherboard?


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#6
February 18, 2011 at 11:08:51
also heres a new development... i've been monitoring the processor using everest and all seems fine, however when i put any type of strain on the cpu it shuts down...ex: i play something simple like minesweeper...i press a few blocks while watching everest for changes and BAM...down it goes :/ what a pile of junk lol....any suggestions?

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#7
February 18, 2011 at 11:19:43
FYI on adding ram if you haven't done so already:
http://support.dell.com/support/edo...

Yes, you can download Dell Diagnostics from their website (in *.iso format) & create a bootable Dell Diagnostics CD/DVD to test the components and mobo if you do not have the original blue & white Dell drivers & utilities CD/DVD.

Just another stupid saying...


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#8
February 18, 2011 at 11:45:21
ok awesome ill try that out and see what happens. Its like when i do anything CPU extensive it powers down...even by simply running a basic program...very annoying...beginning to think that this thing is more trouble then its worth... there has been no upgrades since the day he bought this thing so he tells me...everything is as is..just lately its been acting like this... ill try a diag and see what comes up...thanks for the reply's guys greatly appreciate ur patience in helping me resolve this issue ...kindest regards...

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#9
February 18, 2011 at 12:20:00
Which battery ?
The main battery ? Removing the main battery won't set the bios to defaults.
Removing the cmos battery - for ten seconds is fine - with the main battery removed will set the bios to defaults, but modern laptops have a second chip that some bios settings are stored on such as passwords that cannot have that data cleared by removing the power to that chip, and the bios settings cannot have anything to do with a video problem on the built in screen on a laptop, unless someone attempted to flash the bios and that failed. A dead or too weak or backwards connected cmos battery cannot cause the video problem, but a shorted battery might.

"Done a ram test and both sticks passed it. The machine works fine on one stick here for the moment but the moment the second is introduced it dont make it to the splash screen."

Are you SURE you had both modules seated correctly - did you try re-doing that several times ?

You may have one ram slot that has damaged circuits.

Did you try each module in each of the ram slots ?

If you did and both modules work individually, then the only thing that can cause that is at least one of the ram modules did not come with the computer.
Sometimes when one or modules are not 100% compatible they work fine individually but they don't when more than one is installed.

"also heres a new development... i've been monitoring the processor using everest and all seems fine, however when i put any type of strain on the cpu it shuts down...ex: i play something simple like minesweeper...i press a few blocks while watching everest for changes and BAM...down it goes "

Are you SURE no one has done this...

Have you, or is it possible anyone else has....
- dropped this computer, or otherwise subjected it to a physical jolt ?
- spilled liquid on it, or exposed to to liquid such as rain or by spraying anything on it ?

Try opening it it up and making sure all the components inside are seated.

If this were a desktop computer, I would suggest trying connecting another power supply - I have seen cases where a power supply was defective such that a tiny extra load black screened and restarted the computer.

Laptops often have a small power board that plugs into the mboard that the AC adapter jack in the laptop connects to. You could try re-seating that, or if you have an identical spare, you could try the other one.

That's probably the board that is the culprit in this....
Tips about battery charging problems on Dell laptops - may apply to other makes.
See response 3 in this by iTech:
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...


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#10
February 18, 2011 at 15:12:37
hey man thank you so much for the reply... yeah ive tried reseating the rma many many times...tried each one individually in every slot and they work fine, but put em together and it crashes.. popped in yet another brand new power supply as suggested but have the same end result... its a desktop computer btw. As for physical jolt i cant really be certain as it wasnt mine until now..i know he cleaned it out but just recently told me it was with an air compressor but he also told me it was doing this before he did so. I have the computer running just fine now...i left it alone and its been running ...but the moment i try to do anything on it... can crash at any random moment. sometimes during boot process it wont even get to turn on the monitor and it crashes :/ very bizare this thing is.

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#11
February 18, 2011 at 19:08:24
"......it wasnt mine until now..i know he cleaned it out but just recently told me it was with an air compressor but he also told me it was doing this before he did so."

If you can still contact him, ask him
- when did he first discover he had this ram problem.
- if it happened after a power failure event.
- if he has EVER used a vacuum to clean up inside of the case.
- if he has EVER dropped the case from a height of more than a few inches
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I have been answering so many Topics lately about laptops that are not working properly, I answered some posts in this Topic as if you had a laptop.
Desktop computers do not normally have their mboards damaged by physical jolts to the case.

""......it wasnt mine until now...."

The ram situation for a desktop system can be very different even for a brand name system because one or more ram modules may have been added that were not originally in the system, or the modules may have been changed over time. People who have laptops are less likely to have changed the ram from what was originally installed, and when they do they often change both of them (most laptops have two ram slots).

If the ram modules are the original ones
- they would have an identical ram manufacturer's module part "number"
- they probably would have an identical DELL part "number" as well

Dell does not manufacture ram, but the modules may have a Dell specific part number if there is only one of those "numbers".

Quote the part numbers on the modules and the make if that's obvious.
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Some mboards develop this problem - electrolytic capacitors were installed on them that were not properly made, and they fail eventually - the mboard manufacturer didn't know they were improperly made at the time the mboard was made.

Open up your case and examine the mboard to see if you have bad capacitors, and/or other findable signs of mboard damage .

This was the original bad capacitor problem - has some example pictures.
History of why the exploding capacitors and which mboard makers were affected:
http://members.datafast.net.au/~dft...

What to look for, mboard symptoms, example pictures:
http://www.badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=5
Home page that site
- what the problem is caused by
- he says there are STILL bad capacitors on more recent mboards.
http://www.badcaps.net/

Pictures of blown capacitors, other components, power supplies, Athlon cpu's, etc.:
http://www.halfdone.com/Personal/Jo...
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Use good lighting and examine the ram slots for evidence of damage - damaged contacts, black carbon deposits.
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#12
February 18, 2011 at 20:11:29
thanks man appreciate the reply.... ive gone over this thing many times, i inspected the slots up close and they look fine with no sign of damage, i guess its either the hard drive or its the board at this point... i cant see anything else that would cause this type of behaviour... i've repaired a good few computers in my time but i never ran acrosss this type of problem tho that being said i was able to test every other component of the machine except the hard drive and mother board... i should of mentioned this earlier but the hard drive was rendered inoperable due to viruses and trojans so i reformatted it but still have the same problem.... but illl do everything u suggested...thanks for the input guys its greatly appreciated.

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#13
February 18, 2011 at 21:08:34
Our two greatest problems on this web site are the person who started the Topic did not supply enough info and/or they did not provide enough feedback to our posts.

Please answer the questions I have asked that you have not answered, make comments about things that I have said that you have not commented about.

"sometimes during boot process it wont even get to turn on the monitor "

That can't be caused by any software installed on the hard drive. That's got to be a hardware problem.

Malfunctioning optical drives can cause all sorts of weird symptoms - you could try disconnecting the data cable to it from the drive, or from the mboard.

"According to my friend the computer worked fine for years and then one day this started happening and i cant seem to stop it from happening."

Have you inspected the capacitors yet ?

Are you able to contact the person you got it from ?

The ram and the hard drive can easily be tested with diagnostics.

The ram must test as okay, and there must be nothing wrong with the data cable connections (see above), when you test the hard drive.
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If you want to try a memory diagnostic utility that takes a lot less time to run a full pass than memtest86 does, this one is pretty good - Microsoft's
Windows Memory Diagnostic:
http://oca.microsoft.com/en/windiag...
Windows Memory Diagnostic is limited to testing only the first 4 gigabytes (GB) of RAM.
It can be toggled (press T) to do a standard or a more comprehensive set of tests - use the default 6 test one first - if it passes one pass of that, use the latter one. A few of the tests in the latter set are intentionally slower.
If you don't have a floppy drive, see the Quick Start Information at that Microsoft link for how to make a bootable CD of the Windows Memory Diagnostic (you need Windiag.iso - you don't necessarily need to use the program they mention to add it to the CD).
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Check your hard drive with the manufacturer's diagnostics.
See the latter part of response 1 in this:
http://www.computing.net/windows95/...

If you don't have a floppy drive, you can get a CD image diagnostic utility from most hard drive manufacturer's web sites, but obviously you would need to make a burned CD, preferably a CD-R for best compatibility, on another computer if you need to.

E.g.
Seagate's Seatools will test any brand of hard drive.
Do the long test.
http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...

The bootable Dos versions of SeaTools can be used even if Windows is not working properly.

If the hard drive itself tests okay, any data problems found can be fixed, one way or another.
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#14
August 13, 2011 at 03:13:22
i have similar problem. My RAM wont load after total power los. For exampel, I hawe UPS, just to prevent power shock when the glitch occure. But when the power is't be back for some time, normaly I shut down the PC, and UPS because he has power for about 5 min. Now here is the problem, when i try to turn the PC back on line, i get only blink light on the front panel and nothing. then i must pull my RAM and place it back (cupple of times) to be abble to run the sys. Sometimes get only fans, hard, graphic runing, but nothing on my monitor is hapening, because dont hear BIP, or just that short light blink on the front panel.
So after about 5-15 min of upling up and back my RAM, comp starts "mormaly", (normaly- because it ask to start normaly or to run setup)
I heard that RAM has it's moments when it wont load, but not no every total power loss.
And UPS is not the problem, (it's not empty or some thing) because I leave it to recharg for hour or two.
I thing thet problem IS with the RAM, but dont know why.
Tnx advance, and apologize for my spelling.

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#15
August 13, 2011 at 07:16:29
Wizard.no.84

Tell us the make and model of your brand name system, or if you have a generic desktop system, the make and model, or at least the model, of your mboard.

This topic is about problems with a desktop computer. If you have a laptop computer, different things can have caused your problem.

"I heard that RAM has it's moments when it wont load..."
"I thing thet problem IS with the RAM, but dont know why"

Ram either works fine of it doesn't - it doesn't intermittently work. If the computer sometimes runs normally, your problem is probably NOT caused by the ram.

If you have a desktop computer......

"i get only blink light on the front panel and nothing"

- see the last part of response 11 to determine if there are failing capacitors on the mboard. (The first link of the 3 in that no longer works.)

- otherwise, a blinking led indicates a problem with your power supply, or with some brand name systems or some mboards otherwise that have diagnostic leds, the blinking led may indicate some other problem.

- Failing power supplies are common and can cause your symptoms.
Check your PS.
They often partially work, fans and hard drives may spin, leds may come on, yet you may get no video and the mboard will not boot all the way.
In the early stages of failing the PS often sometimes works fine, sometimes it does not.
Check the voltages it is producing in the mboard's bios Setup.
See response 4 in this:
http://www.computing.net/hardware/w...

The only sure way of ruling out a defective power supply as the cause of your problems is to try connecting a different known good power supply that has enough wattage capacity to your system, or better, to connect your power supply to a working computer that it has enough wattage capacity for.

- A frequent mistake people are making these days is they have installed a video card their power supply hasn't got enough capacity to support.

Your power supply must have at least the minimum capacity required to support a system with the graphics card you are using installed, or the max graphics card you might install in the future.
(Onboard video - video built into the mboard - IS NOT A CARD!)
You can go to the video card maker's web site and look up the specs for the model - often under system requirements - the minimum PS wattage, and, more important, the minimum amperage the PS must supply at 12v is stated. If you don't find that, any card with the same video chipset including any letters after the model number has very similar minimum PS requirements.


If the power supply does not have enough capacity, the video card often works fine at first anyway, but the PS is overloaded 100% of the time the computer is running and the PS is damaged and will eventually fail completely.

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"after total power los. "

What caused the total power loss ?

Computer power supplies are often damaged by power failure events.

A lightning strike near the location of the computer or to the AC power grid in the area of where you are can get past ANY UPS or other anti- power surge or anti- power spike protection device and damage the mboard or anything connected to it, as long as the computer was plugged into AC power at the time (if it's a laptop, if the AC adapter was plugged in at the time). A lightning strike can cause damage even if the AC power was not on at the time, as long as the computer was plugged in - it's voltage spikes can jump switches that are not switched on.

In order to protect it against damage caused by power spikes and surges, EVERYTHING that connects to the computer must be plugged into something that protects it against that - all devices that plug into AC power directly or by means of a AC to DC power adapter, all phone lines, and if the computer is connected via a network cable to the device that provides the internet connection, the telephone cable or coax cable that provides the internet connection.
There are usually not enough plug ins on a UPS for you to be able to plug in everything that connects to AC power directly or indirectly, into that., and they often have no way of plugging in a telephone cable or a coax cable.




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#16
August 13, 2011 at 07:31:57
This a full spec from Speccy:
http://speccy.piriform.com/results/...

And by the total power loss I mean when I don't have ellectrisity for about 2 hours.
{im from serbia, so this thing are regular here :) }



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#17
August 13, 2011 at 08:40:42
Wizard.no.84

I'll post more later, but for the time being...

You have a MSI MS-7309 mboard but there 7 possible versions of the mboard.
Find the Version (Ver x.x or or V x.x) that is printed beside the model number on the mboard and tell us what that is.

MSI mboards arewell known to be more likely than average to have failing capacitors - see the last part of response 11.

"System Temperature: 47 °C"

Your temperature inside the case is way too high.
Make sure the cpu fan and cpu heat sink are not clogged with dust and lint - if they are, clean them off, but DO NOT use a a vaccum cleaner to do that

Make sure the power supply fan is exhausting air out the back of the case when the computer is running. If it isn't you need to replace the fan at the back of the PS before your PS is ruined from overheating.
It's a good idea to replace that fan with a case fan that has at least two ball bearings - then you can monitor it's rpm by connecting the 3 wire connector for it to a fan header on the mboard.

Voltage
+3.3V: 3.312
VCPU CORE: 1.344
VVIN2: 1.984
VVIN3: 1.411
V+5V: 5.045
V+12V: 12.144
VVIN6: 1.808
VVSB3V: 3.312
VCMOS BATTERY : 3.040 V

Your voltages being put out by the power supply are presently within 10% of what they should be, but if it's fan isn't working the PS can be damaged in a short time from it overheating.


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#18
August 13, 2011 at 09:38:16
this is my mboard: http://www.msi.com/product/mb/K9N6P...
and i clean it yesterday, and my highest recorder temp is 56 °C with Everest.
It's small cooler on my CPU but read that my processor can take up to 65. And yes, it's on a 3 wire connected. And all fans are working. now presently im on 35 C.
And temp is't the problem, just that annoing NOTHING when i pres power button. And for the record, this is how i buy it. And start f** with me on the second month, take it for the reaper and they sead to me that the RAM was't placed propertly. But known that's no true because, up then did't opend the case. So, they did't fix it, heaving still the same problem, and don't know why..
Y and sometimes wen I do that thing "pull out-put back in" and PC work, it load only half of RAM. that's 1024. but, sometimes just a restart fix that.

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#19
August 13, 2011 at 14:30:54
Wizard.no.84

Did you check the capacitors on the mboard ?
If no, see the last part of response 11 !
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I know due to a bad experience that you often can't tell whether you have picked the right MSI mboard model version by what it looks like.

Find the Version (Ver x.x or or V x.x) that is printed beside the model number on the mboard and tell us what that is.
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"i clean it yesterday"

Did you use a vacuum cleaner to do that ?
Vacuum cleaners produce a tremendous amount of static electricity when they're running and that can easily be discharged to the mboard and damage it.
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"It's small cooler on my CPU but read that my processor can take up to 65. And yes, it's on a 3 wire connected."

All cpu fans for modern mboards either have 3 wires and a 3 "pin" female connector you connect to a 3 pin cpu fan header on the mboard, , or 4 wires and 4 "pin" female connector that can be connected to either a 3 pin or 4 pin cpu fan header.on the mboard.

More about fans below.
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"System Temperature: 47 °C"

The info you provided in response 16 is very useful and tells me / us a lot, but the temp inside the case - 47 C - is high for a case temp, unless the room temp where the case is located is high.

You haven't said whether the PS is blowing obvious air out of the back of the case.

If the case does not have a case fan, I recommend you install one at the back of the case as high up as you can mount it, so that it blows out of the case (you should be able to see the entire fan blade inside the case when it's mounted). If you can install two sizes of case fan there, a larger one moves more air and is usually quieter than a smaller one.
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"CPU
AMD Athlon II X2 215: 39 °C
Regor 45nm Technology"

Your cpu temp was okay at that time.

AMD Athlon II X2 215 - ADX215OCK22GQ
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/A...

"Electrical/Thermal parameters
V core (V) 0.85 - 1.425
Maximum operating temperature (°C) 55 - 74
Thermal Design Power (W) 65

"Minimum/Maximum power dissipation
Minimum and Maximum operating temperatures specify the range of temperatures in which the CPU is guaranteed to function. It is not recommended to operate the CPUs at temperatures lower than the minimum and higher than the maximum operating temperature. Higher CPU temperature could be an indication of broken or inadequate fan/heat sink, or poor airflow inside of the computer case. In the former case, pro-longed operation at close to the maximum temperatures may cause system instability and shorten the CPU lifespan. Running the processors at temperatures much higher than the maximum operating temperature may permanently damage the CPU. In the latter case (poor case ventilation), poor airflow may also cause higher operating temperature of other system components, such as the motherboard and video card, and may result in shorter lifetime of these components as well. "

"Thermal Design Power (TDP)
The Thermal Design Power (TDP) is the average maximum power a processor can dissipate while running commercially available software. TDP is primarily used as a guideline for manufacturers of thermal solutions (heatsinks/fans, etc) which tells them how much heat their solution should dissipate. TDP is not the maximum power the CPU may generate - there may be periods of time when the CPU dissipates more power than designed, in which case either the CPU temperature will rise closer to the maximum, or special CPU circuitry will activate and add idle cycles or reduce CPU frequency with the intent of reducing the amount of generated power.

TDP is usually 20% - 30% lower than the CPU maximum power dissipation. "

You don't have an indication of the CPU temp being too high.

If it got higher than 74 C it will be damaged. If the temp is at the high end but not high enough to damage it, the cpu often misbehaves.

However, the cpu is probably not getting hot enough for it to mis-behave, and that has nothing to do with your booting problem.
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"Graphics
SyncMaster (1920x1080@60Hz)
1024MB GeForce 9400 GT (MSI): 46 °C "

That's a bit high - 46 C - for your graphics card.
Make sure it's fan, if it has one, and/or it's heat sink is clean.
You can often speed up the fan in the NVidia graphic software somewhere to cool it's chipset better, but the fan will make more noise.
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"RAM
2.00 GB Single-Channel DDR2 @ 401MHz (6-6-6-18)

RAM
Memory slots
Total memory slots: 2
Used memory slots: 1
Free memory slots: 1

SPD
Number Of SPD Modules: 1
Slot #1
Type: DDR2
Size: 2048 MBytes
Manufacturer: Transcend Information
Max Bandwidth: PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
Part Number: JM800QLU-2G
Serial Number: 00001111
Week/year: 36 / 09
SPD Ext.: EPP

JEDEC #3
Frequency: 400.0 MHz
CAS# Latency: 6.0
RAS# To CAS#: 6
RAS# Precharge: 6
tRAS: 18
tRC: 24
Voltage: 1.800 V"

Make sure your bios has the ram timing numbers set correctly.
6-6-6-18
CAS# Latency: 6.0
RAS# To CAS#: 6
RAS# Precharge: 6
tRAS: 18

Any of the numbers can be higher,that doesn't do any harm, but if ANY or the numbers are lower, the ram will NOT be reliable.

If any of the numbers are lower, change them in the bios so they're at least those numbers.
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"Manufacturer: Transcend Information
Max Bandwidth: PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
Part Number: JM800QLU-2G"

Transcend
(ram) Compatibility Check
http://www.transcendusa.com/Support...

If you actually do have the K9N6PGM2-V MS-7309 mboard version, JM800QLU-2G is listed, so it's compatible with your mboard.
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""RAM
2.00 GB Single-Channel DDR2 @ 401MHz (6-6-6-18)"

"BIOS
Brand: American Megatrends Inc.
Version: V9.9
Date: 12/23/2009"

"Power Profile
Active power scheme: Home/Office Desk
Hibernation: Enabled"

Most new mboards don't use DDR2 ram - they use DDR3 ram.
Your mboard was made when Windows 7 didn't exist.

You may have problems with Standby and Hibernate modes in Windows 7.

However, that would probably not cause your booting problem when your computer was first started up - it would probably cause a problem only regarding coming out of Hibernate or Standby mode after they had been gone into.
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"Y and sometimes wen I do that thing "pull out-put back in" and PC work, it load only half of RAM. that's 1024. but, sometimes just a restart fix that."

You MUST unplug the computer or otherwise switch off the AC power to the computer whenever you plug in or unplug anything inside the computer case ! You can damage things if you didn't do that at ALL times
The ram slots have some contacts that are always powered even when the computer is not running when the PS has live AC power

The ram must be seated properly, and both latches at the ends of each ram slot should be against the ends of each module.
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All things so far considered, a defective PS is the most likely cause of your problem

Try connecting a different power supply to your mboard if you can .
Or - better - try connecting your power supply to a working system that it has enough wattage capacity for, if you can.

"GeForce 9400 GT"

Minimum recommended power supply capacity your system should have is 400 watts with that graphics chipset.

If doing that doesn't help, your mboard has probably been damaged by a power failure event.
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More about fans.

Fans for computers always suck air in on the side where you can see the entire fan blade with no non moving central part in the way, and blow it out the side that has a non moving central part in the way.

If you can mount the cpu fan either way on top of the heat sink, make sure that you can see the entire fan blade on top when it's installed - the cpu will not be cooled as well if that's backwards. .

Power supply fans are always mounted so they blow air out of the PS at the back of the PS, and most case fans are mounted so they blow air out of the case, except that a case fan on the side of the case that blows into a tube that is near the cpu should be mounted so it blows air towards the cpu.

Tests have proven that the best place to mount a case fan is at the back of the case as far up as you can mount it - it should blow air out of the case.
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All cpu fans for modern mboards either have 3 wires and a 3 "pin" female connector you connect to a 3 pin cpu fan header on the mboard, , or 4 wires and 4 "pin" female connector that can be connected to either a 3 pin or 4 pin cpu fan header.on the mboard.

Most case fans have 3 wires and a 3 "pin" female connector you connect to a 3 pin Case or Power fan header on the mboard.

In those cases (situations) the fan gets it's power from the mboard header.

Sometimes the mboard's bios can determine the speed of the cpu fan.
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If a power supply has only one fan, it usually does NOT have 2 wires on a 3 "pin" female connector that you can connect to a 3 pin power or case fan header on the mboard so that you can monitor it's rpm.

If the power supply has more than one fan, usually one of them has 2 wires on a 3 "pin" female connector that you can connect to a 3 pin power or case fan header on the mboard so that you can monitor it's rpm. However, the fan at the back of the power supply that blows air out of the case usually does NOT have that.

The fan does NOT get it's power from the mboard header. The fan works fine even when that 2 wire connector is not connected to a fan header. If it's a variable speed fan, it's rpm does not depend on the connection to a fan header on the mboard.

If the single fan or the fan at the back of the power supply fails to spin or is spinning too slowly, if you replace it with a case fan of the same size and CFM (cubic feet per minute) rating - if the cfm rating it not known, a fan that spins at the same max rpm or faster and draws the same amount of ma (current) or more has a similar cfm rating, or better - you connect it's 3 wires and a 3 "pin" female connector to a 3 pin Case or Power fan header on the mboard.. It must be connected to the fan header - whether you want to monitor it's rpm in Windows with software is up to you, but that's in the mboard's bios in any case.

Cheap fans have two sleeve bearings or one sleeve bearing and one ball bearing. If you get a replacement fan it should have two ball bearings, or better - e.g. ceramic bearings - so that it will not give you a problem eventually because of it's bearings.
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#20
August 14, 2011 at 15:13:55
yes, it is K9N6PGM2-V
No, i never clean my comp with vaccum, i'm not that bold
and it's 3 wire on 3 wire. not 3 on 4
and today heaped again.. pressed power button, PC turned on, all fans working, hard spinnig, conntrol light on but no "BIP" (sound) and nothig heapends! so I shut power off (on my PS, like i ALWAYS do, because, I know that much) UP-BACK RAM 2x and it's start normaly.. WHY????????

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#21
August 14, 2011 at 17:29:12
Wizard.no.84

"yes, it is K9N6PGM2-V"

You've told us that 3 times.

I want to know what the MS-7309 mboard Version number is.
Even if MS-7309 is not printed on the mboard, it should be Version 1.2 for K9N6PGM2-V !

Failing power supplies are very common.
Also, the power failure event(s) may have damaged it.

Have you tried a different power supply, or tried your power supply with another working computer ?

The (max total combined output) capacity of your power supply should be 400 watts or more, or at least no less than 350 watts, when the NVidia graphics card is installed.
What is it ?
That's printed on it's label .

What is it's brand and model ?


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#22
August 15, 2011 at 02:50:20
Motherboard:
Manufacturer MSI
Model MS-7309
Version 1.0 <-------------------------------------------------------
Chipset Vendor NVIDIA
Chipset Model MCP61
Chipset Revision A3
Southbridge Vendor NVIDIA
Southbridge Model MCP61
Southbridge Revision A2

Graphic Card:
GeForce 9400 GT <------------------------------------------------
GPU G96/D9M
Device ID 10DE-0641
Revision A2
Subvendor MSI (1462)
Current Performance Level Level 1
Current GPU Clock 550 MHz
Current Memory Clock 400 MHz
Current Shader Clock 1400 MHz
Technology 65 nm
Die Size 144 nmІ
Transistors 314 M
Release Date Aug 26, 2008
DirectX Support 10.0
DirectX Shader Model 4.0
OpenGL Support 3.0
Bus Interface PCI Express x16
Temperature 47 °C
Driver nvlddmkm.sys
Driver version 8.17.12.8019
ForceWare version 280.19
BIOS Version 62.94.61.00.96
ROPs 8
Shaders 16 unified
Physical Memory 1024 MB
Virtual Memory 1792 MB
Bus Width 128 Bit

(but this one sepcificly: http://www.buildapc.co.za/product_d... )

And PS is 400W, and NO, did't try with another PS, cs I have to buy it first :D
And back to post #18 this was heapening 2 mounts after buying the PC, and i have it over 2 years.. So, should PS be copleatly dead if it was damaged back then?
If the PS is the problem, thats the peace of a cake, I'll buy new one, but I just want to know wath to buy .... new. If anything needs to be repleaced.


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#23
August 15, 2011 at 08:29:44
Wizard.no.84

"Model MS-7309
Version 1.0 "

I know from experience that the Version found by Windows or by software isn't necessarily the correct mboard version.
What is the version number printed on the surface of the mboard !

"And PS is 400W, and NO, did't try with another PS, cs I have to buy it first :D"{

That's good,

and are you sure sure there isn't anyone you know that you could temporarily borrow a PS from, from their system, or try your PS with their system ? It only takes a short time to rule out whether your PS is defective, particularly if you do the latter.
OR - you could take your computer to a local repair place and have them try one or the other or both for a small fee.
I don't recommend you buying a new PS unless you have no other choice, because you may end up buying a new system and not need the PS, unless it's a custom system you could use the new PS with. .

"And back to post #18 this was heapening 2 mounts after buying the PC..."

So you weren't having this problem before that ?
Was there any event that happened then after which you had this problem, such as a power failure event ?
The power supply or the mboard could have been damaged at that time.

"So, should PS be copleatly dead if it was damaged back then?"

That's unpredictable. Maybe, maybe not, the damage may not have gotten worse.

It's probably at least ten times more likely the PS is defective than the mboard was damaged.
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Don't buy an el-cheapo PS.
See response 3 in this:
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...

I no longer recommend Cooler Master or Sparkle or AOpen power supplies.


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#24
August 15, 2011 at 15:02:58
found it.. eventualy.. it was under graphic slot and it say verison 1.3
i could try to take form some friend.. will get back on u when i do :)
And for the #18 pots, i don't realy remember how it hepend, probabli was power glitch or something, but thing is, back then did't know what to do, so I take it to service. after I get the PC back, I call them, and they told me, that they are not ewen sure wath is the problem, but they think that the RAM was not in the place propertly. It was ok for about mount or two, and startet again, so, when they sad it was a RAM, every time this thing heapend, i UP-BACK RAM couple time, and it worked. With worked I mean that I was able to rise my SYS.
And abut that BIP-ing on start up, the other case.. One is when i get only blink of a control light and nothing heapents, and other is when i get normal shining cont. light, fans working, but no BIP, and normally -nothing hepends. I thing that Sound represent the Hard drive. because, if i have for ex USB pluget in it BIPs 2x (just guessing) Hope this helps in anyway :)
And for the PS, let u know when i try that. but it will take couple of days. I want to try it running on the another PS for some time

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#25
August 15, 2011 at 15:44:40
Wizard.no.84

A defective power supply often sometimes works fine, sometimes it doesn't.
I could be it was / is defective but it worked fine all the time the techs were working on the computer.
As time goes by, a defective PS often doesn't work properly more of the time.

There's nothing wrong with your ram, since you say the system sometimes works fine.
See response 19 - make sure the ram timing numbers are okay in the bios.

A defective hard drive does not work fine sometimes - it either works fine or it doesn't.
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A defective hard drive or a problem with the connection of the hard drive can cause problems, but that will NOT prevent the computer from booting normally BEFORE the data on the hard drive is supposed to load.


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#26
August 15, 2011 at 17:08:20
Wizard.no.84

The MSI United States, Global, and Serbia web sites all show the mboard manual download for K9N6PGM2-V as being M7309v1.2.zip.

The mboard manual version is normally the same as the version of the mboard.for MSI mboards.

Inside the manual it lists previous versions 1.0, 1.1,
and version 1.2 - no 1.3 .

Search results for ms-7309 on the MSI Serbia web site:
http://rs.msi.com/service/search/?k...


There are K9N6PGM2-V version 1.3 downloads and bios updates when you search on the web, but none are direct links to a MSI web site.

If you ever need to update your bios, I recommend you use the Live Update feature on the MSI web site to find the right bios updates, otherwise the bios updates may cause your mboard to not work properly, or not boot at all.

Normally you do not need to update the bios unless you change the cpu to a newer one the present bios does not recognize properly

The bios has nothing to do with your booting bproblem, unless the ram timing number settings in it are not compatible with your ram. .

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#27
August 18, 2011 at 02:35:39
hey guys, guess you were wright about PS. Normally, today had same problem. wont start, so, i tried somethig difrend this time. I hit the power button on PS, unplug the cabble, put it back in, turn on PC and it start! So i gues the problem really is with PS. So I'll try with som new 450-500W
And yes, never did find drivers for my MB, so, if you could paste me a link I would be apishieated.

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#28
August 18, 2011 at 07:14:23
Wiizard.no.84

See response 23.
If you can try someone else's PS, I recommend you do that first.

MSI Serbia

Support for
K9N6PGM2-V (MS-7309 Version 1.2)
http://rs.msi.com/product/mb/K9N6PG...

Since you have Version 1.3, DO NOT use the bios updates.
See response 26.

Drivers
http://rs.msi.com/product/mb/K9N6PG...

It's set to drivers for Windows 7.

NVidia main chipset mboards usually have one huge installation file that installs everything needed for the main chipset, including the onboard video drivers, etc. - the main chipset drivers are included in that.

Go to Control Panel - display as Small icons or Large icons - Programs and Features.
Un-install ALL NVidia listings there BEFORE you install that huge installation file, otherwise you're likely to have problems.

Manual (for MS-7309 Version 1.2)
http://rs.msi.com/product/mb/K9N6PG...

(There is no manual for Version 1.3. Your mboard is probably nearly identical.)


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