Solved Computer and fans power on, but nothing appears on monitor

July 10, 2012 at 14:10:50
Specs: Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 32-bit, 1.6 GHz / 1024MB DDR-400 RAM
Hello,

I recently acquired a computer, and have only now gotten around to examining it. The computer did not come with a power supply, so I installed a brand new PSU I purchased from Newegg some time ago. With the power cord plugged into the power supply, and the main connecter plus the four-pin sub connector plugged into the motherboard, I push the power button and the processor fan begins to spin, but nothing appears on my monitor. I have the monitor plugged into the integrated VGA port on the motherboard, and I have no other components installed besides 6GB of DDR2 RAM. I have tried removing all of the RAM sticks and leaving just one in, but the same problem persists.

Unfortunately, I cannot access the BIOS in order to determine the processor and motherboard in use, and I cannot seem to find any badge or markings on the case and motherboard referencing this information. I only know that the processor must be AMD according to the manufacturer sticker on the processor fan, and a small badge claiming it is an AMD Business Class PC. If this problem is able to be solved, I intend to use the motherboard and processor in this PC to upgrade my current PC.

Do not hesitate to ask if you need additional information; I will attempt to provide as much as possible.

Thanks,

Comguy

"There are two ways of doing this. My way, or the he's a dead motherf#$%*@ way. You pick." - The Boss, Conker's Bad Fur Day


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July 11, 2012 at 13:48:48
Either the board or cpu are bad. Possibly both. I bet due to the reason why there was no psu in the system. Many times when they go they take other things with them. I may be wrong but that's been my experience when you remove all the ram and get no beep codes at all. About three out of four times it has been the board that was bad not the cpu. About one out of ten times it was both. Given the psu you are using I suppose there is a chance it could be an issue. I would try a better class of psu just to test and see if you can get a beep code with no ram. If still no code scrap it.

I would start from scratch and buy new with warranties. You don't have to have the most top of the line items to have a really good performing computer.

Likely



#1
July 10, 2012 at 14:15:29
Have you tried running it without the RAM sticks at all to see if it beeps any beep codes.

One way to check if its intel or AMD is that AMD use clips parallel to each other like this- http://www.google.com/search?um=1&h...

And intel
http://www.google.com/search?um=1&h...


I am a hardware guy not a software guy but i try to help.


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#2
July 10, 2012 at 14:22:43
Thank you for your prompt reply, jay_nar2012,

I have tried running it without any RAM sticks at all, and there are no error beeps or messages on the screen. Also, the processor clip design is definitely AMD.

Thanks,

Comguy

AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD
40GB SATA HDD
IDE DVD-RW Drive


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#3
July 10, 2012 at 14:40:22
How bout a dedicated graphics card?

I am a hardware guy not a software guy but i try to help.


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#4
July 10, 2012 at 14:44:46
I have a few AGP cards around which should be compatible with the AGP slot on the motherboard. However, when I attempted to insert one of them, I discovered there is a white clip that; even when open, obstructs the card from inserting into the slot. The only solution I can see to fix this is to snap the clip off, and I am not particularly fond of that solution.

Thank you,

Comguy

AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD
40GB SATA HDD
IDE DVD-RW Drive


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#5
July 10, 2012 at 14:49:19
Doesn't the white clip push back or something?

I am a hardware guy not a software guy but i try to help.


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#6
July 10, 2012 at 14:56:20
Yes, but as I said, even when moved back the clip still obstructs the card from entering. Unless the port is not actually an AGP port, I am unsure as to why it wouldn't work with any of my AGP video cards.

Comguy

AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD
40GB SATA HDD
IDE DVD-RW Drive


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#7
July 10, 2012 at 15:01:40
It could be a PCI-E slot- http://www.google.com/search?um=1&h...

If its further back than the PCI slots than its AGP.

I am a hardware guy not a software guy but i try to help.


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#8
July 10, 2012 at 15:02:16
"I have no other components installed besides 6GB of DDR2 RAM"
"I have a few AGP cards around which should be compatible with the AGP slot on the motherboard"
You have a board with 6gb of ddr2 and a agp slot?

larry


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#9
July 10, 2012 at 15:04:28
Yes, it appears to be a PCI-E slot, making the board itself nearly useless to me, as I only own AGP graphics cards. However, I would still like to get this machine working so I can check the processor, and possibly transfer the processor into my main PC.

Comguy

AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD
40GB SATA HDD
IDE DVD-RW Drive


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#10
July 10, 2012 at 15:05:48
As posted above, what I thought was an AGP slot was actually a PCI-E.

Comguy

AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD
40GB SATA HDD
IDE DVD-RW Drive


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#11
July 10, 2012 at 15:07:28
Get an cheap PCI-E card from somewhere and test it, have you tried clearing CMOS?

I am a hardware guy not a software guy but i try to help.


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#12
July 10, 2012 at 15:12:13
Yes, I removed the CMOS battery as well as the jumper and reinserted them to no avail. Also, this may make me sound cheap, but I do not intend to spend money on a card that only works with a port that my main computer does not have.

Comguy

AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD
40GB SATA HDD
IDE DVD-RW Drive


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#13
July 10, 2012 at 15:14:52
Was the monitor known to be working on another system or did it come with what you got? If not try on another system or try another monitor on this system.

What power supply did you buy? It's rare but getting one DOA is possible especially a cheaper one.

II have tried running it without any RAM sticks at all, and there are no error beeps or messages on the screen

This tells me either the motherboard or CPU are bad. Maybe due to a PSU failure. Maybe that's why it didn't have one?

Likely


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#14
July 10, 2012 at 15:16:22
When you got it, were you told it was faulty or not, the motherboard could be dead.
Can you try using the power supply from another computer to see if it works with another (random idea).

I am a hardware guy not a software guy but i try to help.


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#15
July 10, 2012 at 15:17:51
@likelystory

The monitor in use is an old CRT monitor I have had laying around for a while, and I have successfully used it on other systems recently. I suppose the theory of a PSU failure is possible, although not preferable as I wish to salvage the processor in hopes that it runs on the same socket as my main PC's. (Socket 754)

Thanks,

Comguy

AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD
40GB SATA HDD
IDE DVD-RW Drive


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#16
July 10, 2012 at 15:19:53
Do a bit of research then. You may be wasting your time anyway.

Likely


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#17
July 10, 2012 at 15:21:33
What motherboard do you have now?

What is this maybe replacement board?

Likely


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#18
July 10, 2012 at 15:26:12
Going from a board that used AGP to a board that eses pci-e makes me think compatibility issues.

Likely


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#19
July 10, 2012 at 15:26:37
@likelystory

The motherboard in my main PC is a ASUS K8S-MX, running with an AMD Sempron 2600+ Socket 754 processor. I am unsure of the other board's model, as it is not clearly stated on the casing or motherboard itself, and I cannot access the BIOS or an operating system to check.

@jay_nar2012

I was not told of any issues when the computer when I got it, and I do not have another power supply with sufficient pins to test on this motherboard.

Thank you,

Comguy

AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD
40GB SATA HDD
IDE DVD-RW Drive


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#20
July 10, 2012 at 15:30:11
Whats the computer make and model (might say on the case engraved or printed on a sticker).

I am a hardware guy not a software guy but i try to help.


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#21
July 10, 2012 at 15:30:22
Also you list DDR400 ram. Is this your main rig?
This new computer you listed DDR2 ram. This is now two big changes. I am betting the cpu socket has changed also.

Likely


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#22
July 10, 2012 at 15:33:41
@likelystory

I am beginning to see what you are going at as well, it is very likely that with the PCI-E and DDR2 RAM changes, the processor is likely of a different socket as well. Also, yes, the system with the DDR-400 RAM is my main rig.

@jay_nar2012

There is no indication on the case of any make or model, except for a small badge on the frontplate claiming it is an; "AMD Business Class PC".

Thanks,

Comguy

AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD
40GB SATA HDD
IDE DVD-RW Drive


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#23
July 10, 2012 at 15:43:05
Yeah, i think socket AM2 was the first AMD socket to use DDR2 RAM.

What power supply does it use (20-24 pin ATX, AT.etc)?

I am a hardware guy not a software guy but i try to help.


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#24
July 10, 2012 at 15:44:38
@jay_nar2012

24pin ATX, plus an additional 4 pin plug elsewhere on the motherboard.

Comguy

AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD
40GB SATA HDD
IDE DVD-RW Drive


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#25
July 10, 2012 at 15:50:55
Did you get the comp for free or did you pay for it?

I am a hardware guy not a software guy but i try to help.


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#26
July 10, 2012 at 15:55:42
@jay_nar2012

I got the system for free from a friend. For now, I'm going to assume it's a motherboard problem. I'll remove the CPU and test it in another AM2 board if I ever acquire one.

Thanks,

Comguy

AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD
40GB SATA HDD
IDE DVD-RW Drive


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#27
July 10, 2012 at 15:58:55
Just remember to put the CPU in a safe place as the pins can be bent easily.

I am a hardware guy not a software guy but i try to help.


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#28
July 10, 2012 at 16:01:00
@jay_nar2012

Thank you for the advice.


Also, thank you to everyone who posted here. I appreciate the support.

Sincerly,

Comguy

AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD
40GB SATA HDD
IDE DVD-RW Drive


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#29
July 10, 2012 at 20:00:19
I'm chiming in awfully late in the discussion, but did you look on the motherboard for a model number? Between the PCI slots? On a paper label? Is there a C-Tick number? At least that will help you to identify the manufacturer. Do you know what the C-Tick looks like? Here you go. The number identifies the manufacturer. For instance, ALL MSI boards, video cards, etc have N1996.

Assuming you can get this thing to boot up, why would you want to cling to a weak S754 system with DDR memory & AGP?

Take the board out of the case & benchtest it. You should only use ONE stick of RAM for testing, the CPU w/HSF, power supply, PS/2 keyboard, & monitor. Nothing else is required. Do you know how to jump start a board using a flat blade screwdriver? If the fans spins up but you still don't get a display, at least you've narrowed down the possibilities. And don't rule out the power supply. You haven't told us anything about it, but if it's a low end cheapie, it's very possible it's the problem.


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#30
July 10, 2012 at 20:28:15
@riider

The PSU in use is indeed a low end, cheap power supply. However, I have tested it in a another machine today and it works just fine, so we can rule it out of the problem.

Also, the reason I am "clinging" to the K8S-MX is because the motherboard in question does not have enough IDE channels to support all of my IDE hard drives, and I do not currently have the money or effort required to purchase new SATA drives and transfer all of my data over, not to mention reinstall Windows entirely.

I am going to reactivate this question in the hope of getting this system working for a possible replacement, or to simply use as a server PC. I will search the motherboard for the C-Tick symbol and benchtest the motherboard tomorrow, as it is quite late where I live right now. I'll post an update with my findings tomorrow.

Thank you,

Comguy

AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD
40GB SATA HDD
IDE DVD-RW Drive


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#31
July 10, 2012 at 20:54:38
"I have tested it in a another machine today and it works just fine, so we can rule it out of the problem"

No, not necessarily. Just because it works on one system doesn't mean it will work on another. And why are you not supplying us with the make/model & wattage?

We discussed your board in the CPU forum. It's not a very good one because of the SiS chipset. SiS based boards are generally poor performers when compared to the NVIDIA, VIA, & AMD counterparts, with very few exceptions. Have you noticed that there aren't any SiS based boards anymore? And why are you running so many IDE HDDs? That's a huge drain on the +12v rail of your PSU. Did you install the X1650 Pro that you asked about in your other post yet? It requires an aux plug-in from the PSU so that's an added drain on the +12v, not to mention the CPU which gets 100% of it's power from the +12v. If you don't have a decent quaility PSU, you're just asking for trouble. Out of curiousity, which drive has the OS on it? It should be the fastest one.

Back to ID'ing the board - if you can't find a C-Tick mark, look for the FCC-ID & enter it here: http://driverzone.com/node/193


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#32
July 10, 2012 at 23:43:59
@riider

The PSU in question is a CaseGears Black Steel 480W PSU. Yes, I have installed the X1650 GPU, and also, the reason I have so many IDE HDDs is because I have each one dedicated to a specific use. For example, the 160GB IDE is dedicated to videos, while the 80GB holds most of my Steam games. Windows XP is running off of the 120GB IDE, mainly because I just recently installed the SATA drives. Also, the power supply currently installed in my main rig is a "Sparkle" 300W power supply. I purchased the CaseGears some time ago for a customer build, but never ended up using it. I have been intending to replace the 300W PSU that is currently in my rig with the CaseGears PSU, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

Thanks,

Comguy

AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
Windows XP Professional 32-bit
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD (x2)


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#33
July 11, 2012 at 07:44:12
The CaseGears (aka Sunbeam) 480W is NOT good for a modern system. Just look at the specs:

+3.3V: 28A
+5V: 34A
+12V: 18A

The high amperage on the +5v rail & minimal amperge on the +12v means that this PSU is suited for P3 & older systems, but not P4 & newer. Old CPUs (prior to the P4) get 100% of their power from the +5v, therefore the amps on the +5v must be high. The +12v on old systems is primarily used by drives & fans only, therefore high amperage isn't required.

The P4 & ALL CPUs since then get 100% of their power from the +12v. Drives & fans still use the +12v, plus video cards are drawing more & more from the +12v. That's why the ATX standard was changed to ATX12V with a multi-rail design for the +12v. The 4-pin ATX12V plug was added as a dedicated +12v source for the CPU. However, the multi-rail design has fallen out of favor lately because it requires "hand balancing" of the components to make sure one +12v rail doesn't become overloaded while another remains unused. To combat this, many manufacturers are adopting the EPS standard (meant for servers) that allows for a single +12v rail with high amperage. It's not unusual to see PSUs with 30, 40, 50, or more amps on the +12v rail these days. With a single +12v rail, component balancing isn't an issue.

You don't have to pay big bucks to get a quality PSU, you just need to know what to look for, plus you should buy from proven reliable manufacturers. I've used this 430W Corsair in several builds without a single problem & it's regularly on sale for just $20. Notice the specs: 80 Plus certified, active PFC, single +12v rail @ 28A, 3 yr warranty:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

You mentioned that the CaseGears PSU was for a customer. You actually build/sell/repair computers & would choose a unit such as this one? Yikes! Do NOT use it in place of the Sparkle 300W. Sparkle (aka SPI aka FSP aka Fortron) is a reliable manufacturer, Sunbeam is not.


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#34
July 11, 2012 at 09:22:39
@riider

The CaseGears PSU was for a customer whose computer build was a very low-quality, old PC. Quite honestly, all they did on it was word processing and checking their email. They didn't have much money to spend on the machine so I decided to purchase the CaseGears to save a bit. Anyways, nevermind that. I have seen the Corsair Builder Series 430W before, but now I suppose I will take your advice and purchase the Corsair when it comes on sale, as you seem to know more than me when it comes to PSUs. For now, I will leave the Sparkle PSU in my machine.

Now, back to the problem PC. I have entered every single code I found on the board into the FCC database, and came up with nothing. However, I found the model number and Googled it to come up with this:

Elitegroup A780VM-M2 Desktop Motherboard - AMD - Socket AM2+ PGA-940 , Elitegroup Computer Systems 89-206-Q47120

That proves likelystory's thoughts of the CPU socket being AM2, and also my assumptions of it being an AMD-based motherboard.

Thanks,

Comguy


AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
Windows XP Professional 32-bit
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD (x2)


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#35
July 11, 2012 at 10:58:53
"Elitegroup A780VM-M2 Desktop Motherboard"

That board is infinitely better than your SiS board. It's based on the AMD 780V chipset & it's integrated Radeon 3100 graphics is much better than the Geforce 6200, though not as good as the X1650 Pro. As long as you're not a gamer, you wouldn't need to install a graphics card. Two IDE channels & 6 SATA ports, not to mention support for 32GB DDR2 RAM?

http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Pr...

I suggest you do everything you can to get this thing working, then make it your main system. Yes, I realize it will take some work, especially on the software end, but it will be well worth it. Then you can sell your current system or use it as a backup. And do yourself a favor, get a decent SATA HDD & move away from IDE. HDD prices have been slowly recovering since the flooding in Thailand. I don't know if 1TB drives will ever fall below $50 again, but they can be found for about $75. 320GB & 500GB drives are right around the same price. Here's a 1TB HGST (HGST = Hitachi = WDC) for $75:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...


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#36
July 11, 2012 at 13:24:25
@riider

The board seems decent enough, although this particular board has only 1 IDE channel, plus the floppy channel and 6 SATA ports. I suppose I will save some money up and purchase what I need to make this board work for me, but I want it to at least be able to boot the BIOS before I even consider purchasing parts. Also, I am a gamer, so I would have to purchase a PCI-E graphics card for it.

So, we are back to the original problem of the computer powering on, but nothing appearing on the monitor.

Thank you for the tips, riider.

Comguy

AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
Windows XP Professional 32-bit
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD (x2)


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#37
July 11, 2012 at 13:35:24
Update;

I just benchtested the motherboard with nothing but the monitor, one 2GB stick of DDR2 RAM, the PSU and a USB keyboard plugged in. The same problem persists.

Comguy

AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
Windows XP Professional 32-bit
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD (x2)


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#38
July 11, 2012 at 13:48:48
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Either the board or cpu are bad. Possibly both. I bet due to the reason why there was no psu in the system. Many times when they go they take other things with them. I may be wrong but that's been my experience when you remove all the ram and get no beep codes at all. About three out of four times it has been the board that was bad not the cpu. About one out of ten times it was both. Given the psu you are using I suppose there is a chance it could be an issue. I would try a better class of psu just to test and see if you can get a beep code with no ram. If still no code scrap it.

I would start from scratch and buy new with warranties. You don't have to have the most top of the line items to have a really good performing computer.

Likely


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#39
July 11, 2012 at 14:53:03
@likelystory

I suppose you are right, I suppose I will pull the CPU from the board and put both away for a while, until I can find another board/CPU to test.

Thank you, everyone, for your replies on this issue. I appreciate it.

Comguy

AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
Windows XP Professional 32-bit
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD (x2)


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#40
July 11, 2012 at 19:04:42
USB keyboard should not be used when benchtesting, neither should that crappy power supply. And if the board doesn't have a piezo speaker, you should have a speaker connected to check for any beep codes. I'm guessing you know how to jump start a motherboard using a screwdriver?

I have to comment on this: "I am a gamer"

You have the lowest of the S754 Semprons, only 1GB RAM, & up until recently, your video card was a Geforce 6200. And the 6200 was NEVER considered a gaming card. I don't know which games you played with it, but I'd be surprised if it's any title from the last few years.


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#41
July 12, 2012 at 18:29:41
@riider

Yes, I know how to jump-start a motherboard using a flat-head screwdriver, but I do not have access the an internal PC speaker, and the case did not appear to have one installed anywhere. Also, I am away for this week and will not have access to the computer for another benchtest until I return.

Comguy

AMD Sempron 2600+
1.6GHz, 1024MB of DDR-400 RAM
Windows XP Professional 32-bit
ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE X1650 AGP GPU
120GB IDE HDD
80GB IDE HDD
160GB IDE HDD
40GB SATA HDD (x2)


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#42
July 12, 2012 at 18:54:17
Hey guys!
ComputerViking here!

(And if you have noticed I just created this account to comment on your post due to my current problem similar to this.)

I find it very interesting riider,

On the fact that in each of your posts; you try to help with Comguy's problem, then proceed to insensitively insult his machine. As he stated earlier; the Elitegroup motherboard does not have enough IDE channels to run his IDE hard drives, and he does not have the funds to purchase SATA drives.

Therefore stating that this motherboard is just to see IF he can scrap together some parts to upgrade his current PC.

Quote;

"I have to comment on this: "I am a gamer"

You have the lowest of the S754 Semprons, only 1GB RAM, & up until recently, your video card was a Geforce 6200. And the 6200 was NEVER considered a gaming card. I don't know which games you played with it, but I'd be surprised if it's any title from the last few years." - riider

This is unquestionably a personal insult...have you ever thought that not everyone has the "Million Dollar Parents" funding them because they want their child to move out of their basement. Next time you choose to respond I suggest you apologize to Comguy for your insensitive insolence towards someone who may actually have a life... not sitting at his computer playing "World of Warcraft" because; that is NOT a "gamer". According to his records, Comguy has been a member of these forums for three years longer than you.

Thanks!

ComputerViking


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#43
July 14, 2012 at 08:08:47
@ ComputerViking,

Actually, I have been a helper in these forums for well over 10 years but had to change my user name approx a year ago. For what it's worth, notice the ranking, medals & the number of threads I've participated in over that short time. And if you don't like my "tough love" approach, that's too bad, I will NOT apologize for it. You have no idea who I am, what I do, or what my background is, but I'll tell you this - I am NOT a kid sitting in my parent's basement playing computer games. In fact, when I lived with my parents, HBO was still in it's infancy & Taxi Driver was the # 1 movie. My kids would be hanging out in my basement if it weren't so cluttered with computers & Harley parts.


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#44
July 15, 2012 at 11:40:31
Taxi Driver...Oh my. HAHAHA I don't have a basement sorry.

@ComputerViking It appears you stumbled in thinking this was the edicate forum. I assure you it is not. I am not sure where you are or think you are coming from but this doesn’t need to be where you are going.

Likely


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