Bi-Directional IDE-SATA Converter

May 26, 2010 at 09:37:27
Specs: Windows XP, 733/350
Just want to know if this type of hardware ( Bi-Directional IDE / SATA Converter) works fine? I have IDE supported Motherboard, I want to make SATA HDD as my primary hard. SO, please tell if this type of h/w will make SATA drive work as my old IDE HDD working. Will I be able to boot Windows XP? I tried PCI IDE/SATA Converter, but it is unable to boot any HDD attached to it. I can only see that HDD as secondary i.e. only manageable in XP mode.

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May 26, 2010 at 09:50:01
Without knowing which motherboard you have it is difficult to answer.

Have you already purchased the SATA drive and the converter?

If you have a PCI based SATA controller card then in most cases it should work. Is that what you have tried?

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May 26, 2010 at 09:58:26
Motherboard: Intel 810E Chipset

I bought VIA VT6421A Serial RAID Controller and it didnt booted the hdd. In order to boot hdd with this PCI Card, SCSI thing should be there in boot sequence which i cant see. Later i came to know about this BI-DIRECTIONAL IDE/SATA thing. I read that it doesnt need drivers. Its merely a chip/adapter. So it will not be detected as in case of that PCI card. Im having confusion over this thing.

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May 26, 2010 at 10:04:16

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May 26, 2010 at 14:37:56
What currency is that rs229? Are you in the US or Canada?

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May 26, 2010 at 14:43:28
"I tried PCI IDE/SATA Converter, but it is unable to boot any HDD attached to it. "

I've never heard of or seen a PCI IDE/SATA Converter.

"I bought VIA VT6421A Serial RAID Controller and it didnt booted the hdd."
A PCI SATA controller card will work, however...
In order to be able to boot from a hard drive attached to the PCI SATA controller card, you have to be able to select SCSI in the Boot Order or similar settings in the mboard's bios Setup, and have SCSI listed before any other hard drive in that list.

"...SCSI thing should be there in boot sequence which i cant see."
The bios version for most mboards that have a bios version supplied by the manufacturer of the mboard ( the system is generic), usually allows you to select SCSI, but many bios versions for brand name systems do not. SCSI may not be anywhere in the boot sequence list by default - but you MAY be able to select it from a list. However, SCSI is often NOT there in a brand name system bios version.

Most brand name systems have a mboard that was NOT made by the brand name - it was supplied to the brand name by a major mboard manufacturer, and merely has a brand name bios version rather than the mboard manufacturer's version. The mboard in a brand name system may be identical to a mboard manufacturer's retail model except for the bios version, or it may be an OEM only mboard model, made only for one or more brand name system builders, with a brand name bios version.

Microsoft has supported SCSI drive controllers and SCSI drives for a long time. When SATA controllers and drives became available, Microsoft used that built in SCSI support to support SATA controllers and drives, rather than making new SATA only support available.

The Bi-Directional IDE / SATA Converter you pointed to will work fine IF AND ONLY IF the mboard's bios is able to detect it; from what I've heard of, they don't work with SOME mboard main chipsets / bioses.
If the SATA drive IS detected by the mboard's bios via the adapter, it will be detected as an IDE compatible drive, and will be limited to the max burst data transfer speed for IDE drives - 133mb/sec .
(Because of that, there's no (max burst speed) advantage to you using a SATA drive on an IDE controller only mboard, other than you can get larger SATA drives than you can IDE drives.)
NOTE that if the SATA drive is SATA-II (most new drives are) then you MAY need to install a jumper on two pins on the SATA drive in order to limit it to SATA specs (150mb/sec ), otherwise the SATA drive may not be seen when connected to the adapter.

If you are/were able to boot from a drive connected to a PCI controller card...

Getting XP's Setup to recognize a SATA hard drive when it's connected to a SATA controller card when you're attempting to install XP by booting from it's CD is another matter. You have to either
- press F6 near the beginning of loading files from the CD, then supply a floppy disk with the proper drivers for the SATA controllers, in a legacy floppy drive
- or - make yourself a "slipstreamed" CD-R that has the contents of your XP CD with the proper SATA controller drivers integrated into it (you might as well integrate the SP3 updates into it as well while you're doing that) and use that "slipstreamed" CD-R to boot the computer with.

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May 26, 2010 at 19:03:04
@othehill: that's Indian currency

@tubesandwires: PCI IDE/SATA Converter or and the same thing. So, @ last i will not able to boot from this card bcz i dont see any SCSI thing in boot sequence. Even if XP is able to detect and install, again wen pc will boot, there will be some error bcz mboard's BIOS will not detect any SCSI.

Funda: I will not able to boot XP from this thing.

Now, that bi-directional card has a possibility to work. I think there is no role of BIOS, as it is merely an adapter just like PS/2 to USB or vice verse converter

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May 26, 2010 at 19:25:35
The problem may be that your motherboard BIOS is limited and as you point out it can't be set to boot to a SCSI device, which is usually what the setting needs to be.

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May 26, 2010 at 19:33:59
@ othehill: yes, BIOS is limited

But i heard about bi-directional converter and it works fine. Just need to clarify over this issue...Thanks

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May 26, 2010 at 19:39:20
The device pictured is shaped like an add in card but doesn't appear to have any contacts.

There are/ were devices sold when SATA drives first came out that connect directly to an IDE port and allow a SATA cable to connect to the device. That is not what you seem to have.

Is that a PCI based card or not?

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May 26, 2010 at 21:16:38
No, that bi-directional card is not PCI based. Its one end is connected with MBoard's IDE slot and other end is connected with SATA HDD. It creates an interface or something like that. Have a look over this image.

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May 27, 2010 at 00:09:30
Your problem of not being able to select SCSI in the bios has no bearing on whether you will be able to boot from a SATA drive connected to the the bi-directional adapter - it will either work fine with your bios , the drive will be detected fine, or it won't. If the adapter and the drive are detected fine, then you can boot from that drive.

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May 27, 2010 at 04:05:34
Thanks to othehill, especially tubesandwires...wil try that adapter and soon will post if that works or not :)

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