ati hd3650 agp looking for jackbomb

May 12, 2009 at 22:31:54
Specs: Windows XP, dual p3 933
hi in some forums you are referred to as the "Pentium 3 Guru" , a master of Pentiums :) this is why i'm looking 4 u. I really really neeed your advice.

I have been tracking your dual p3 ( Super P3 ) in forums , i am amazed and i believe i need your help.
i have a dual p3 933mhz ,
asus cuv4x-d motherboard,
1 gb memory and a matrox g400 flex 3d video card that comes with the matrox rt2000 package.

i can't upgrade my computer to something like your Super P3 to make it a tualatin 1.4 ghz processor with 2gb mem :)

i want to upgrade the video card to an ATI hd3650 agp.
In our country an hd3850 agp costs around 117 to 127 in US dollars ( converted our currency equivalent to US dollars )
x1650xt agp = 134 in US dollars
hd 3650 ddr2 agp = 81 in US dollars
x1650 pro ddr2 agp = 51 to 57 in US dollars
Inno3D/Sparkle 7600GS 256ddr2 = 46 in US dollars
No 7950 or 7800gs AGP here in my county.
and planning to buy an Enermax EG465P-VE, 460w (FMA Series) = 70 in US dollars

i dont need my current video card , i do not know how to use its video editing capabilities . my brother gave me the pc and i just want to use it for games :) . ohh i cant buy a new pc and i cant even throw this thing because it still works and no plan selling it , i dont think there is someone willing to buy this old rig.

i will be using xp sp3 , i dont have a vista. which do u think should i buy ? i like to play command & conquer 3 in it and play dvd movies.
i like the hd3850 but i know it will be bottleneck by my cpu and it is way too expensive for my budget.
i really cant afford a new pc . i still be using a crt monitor :).
So i'm planning to buy a Powercolor HD3650 GDDR2 512mb AGP, i hope it will work on my motherboard ( asus cuv4x-d i really need help here ) with agp 4x/pro slot and VIA chipsets with the psu i intend to buy [ Enermax EG465P-VE, 460w (FMA Series)] . or any suggestions please. Oh, please if you could ? Compare those video cards on my list and how will they run on my PC :)

SORRY for my long message, i hope u didnt get bored reading :) i really need your advice :)


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#1
May 13, 2009 at 08:11:48
i have that motherboard but i need i new one if you want to sell
but anyways you can upgrade it to tualatin with a socket adapter or right now on ebay there is a guy who sells the tualatin already modded to fit in coppermine motherboards i bought 2 recently and the video card i wouldnt go higher than a 6800 ultra or maybe a 7800gs i have a gigabyte 6800gt overclocked to ultra in my cuv4x-d with 4 gigs of mem with 2 of those 1.4 tualatin off of ebay overclocked to 1.6ghz playing bioshock and fear with respectable framerates and spore

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#2
May 13, 2009 at 09:14:58
jackbomb definitely is the "Pentium 3 Guru" :)

Tom's hardware stopped reviewing AGP cards a couple of months ago, but these articles may be helpful. You'll see the recommendations really haven't changed in almost a year:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...


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#3
May 13, 2009 at 13:08:33
"i can't upgrade my computer to something like your Super P3 to make it a tualatin 1.4 ghz processor with 2gb mem :)"

Unfortunately, Coppermine CPUs are slower than Tualatins, clock-for-clock. But, if you run any multi-threaded apps on that rig, your dual Coppermine-933 may be able to beat my single Tualatin @ 1.66GHz.

I've tried the following cards with Super P3 (I'll also list the 3DMark 01 scores to give you an idea of how much my CPU limited the newer cards):

Radeon 9800 Pro - no problem. 3D'01=14380)

Radeon X800XT All-in-Wonder - didn't work so well, artifacts were present while playing DXVA-accelerated video content, BSOD in certain games. 3D'01=15810. This card worked fine on an nForce 2 (Athlon XP) board.

GeForce 7950GT - no problem. The fastest gamer of the bunch (for some reason, it was even faster than the HD3850). 3D'01 score was 19634.

Radeon HD3850 - no problem. full H.264/VC-1 video decoding actually let me play Blu-Ray discs on the Super P3 (I have a thread about that here on computing.net). However, my CPU must have really been limiting the performance of the 3850, as the 7950GT managed to beat this card on every game and benchmark I ran. The 3850 scored 18089 in 3DMark 01.

The Super P3 now belongs to the kids, and it's currently running a Sapphire HD3650 (512MB DDR2) card. This card lets the kids watch the 1080p MKVs that I've made from my Blu-Ray collection. Also handles simple kids' games very well.

"x1650xt agp = 134 in US dollars
hd 3650 ddr2 agp = 81 in US dollars
x1650 pro ddr2 agp = 51 to 57 in US dollars
Inno3D/Sparkle 7600GS 256ddr2 = 46 in US dollars"

The HD3650 is the only card that supports DirectX 10 and full 1080p video decoding. Speed is similar to the older HD2600 Pro. It's the best card on your list.

"i will be using xp sp3 , i dont have a vista. which do u think should i buy ? "

Probably XP for a sub-GHz machine with PC133 memory.

" i hope it will work on my motherboard ( asus cuv4x-d i really need help here ) "

Should work. My Super P3 is built around the newer (but similar) VIA Apollo Pro 266T chipset (Tualatin support with DDR memory).

The HTPC:
Pentium M oc'ed to 2.82GHz, 667FSB, 2MB L2
3GB of DDR-800 @ 667MHz
GeForce 9600GT
Blu-Ray
Vista
Modified PowerMac G4 'Quicksilver' case
HDMI to homebuilt 1080p projector


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May 13, 2009 at 20:22:27
Thanks guys :) especially to jackbomb. I will be getting the 3650 and the enermax psu within this month of may . I dont see any 7800gs , 7950gt or 6800gt here in our country so i'm sure i will be very very happy with the 3650 :) thanks a lot guys i hope i wont get any problems with it's drivers :)

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