@ symbol and a connection problem

March 16, 2018 at 04:35:16
Specs: Windows Vista
I recently acquired my grand-daughters old desktop PC as an emergency spare for myself. It runs on Windows 7 home edition and was hardly ever used before she got an I-pad, then it was stuck in a cupboard for years. I have installed all the old security updates and downloaded Google Chrome but I can't register an email address on it as the keyboard will not type the @ symbol, it just types ' whether I have the caps lock on or off. I tried another keyboard and the result was the same, no @ symbol.

My second question (you can tell by now that me and technology don't get on) is my monitor. I was under the impression that if I connected my monitor and my television with an HDMI cable and selected the right channel on the television, it would serve as my monitor. Naturally, it didn't work. The monitor is Samsung and the television is an Aquos if that helps.

All help welcomed

Thanks .


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#1
March 16, 2018 at 04:49:11
re' the @ issue...

This sounds as though the keyboard is configured to a different setting/layout to the keyboard you have. Typically most English language keyboards are either using UK or USA keyboard layouts.

See if you can follow these how to check/reset the keyboard layout guides:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...

https://www.wikihow.com/Change-Keyb...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v2...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afh...

Not "quite" sure I follow what you're doing here:

I was under the impression that if I connected my monitor and my television with an HDMI cable and selected the right channel on the television, it would serve as my monitor.

Are you trying to use the Aquos television as "the main" monitor - or as an additional/second; and are you also trying to have the Samsung in a similar way - but not using both the Samsung and Aquos at the same time?

What make and model is the computer in question; and does it have an HD output; and what other outputs does it have? Likewise exact model details of the Samsung and Aquos?


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#2
March 16, 2018 at 05:02:25
To use the TV as a monitor, you'll have to use the remote to change the input setting to HDMI. If the TV has several HDMI ports, be sure to select the correct one - HDMI 1, HDMI 2, HDMI 3.

The Caps Lock will not produce the @ symbol. You need to press Shift+2. If that doesn't do it, go to Control Panel > Region & Language, then click the Keyboard & Languages tab > Change keyboards button. What is the default input set to?


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#3
March 16, 2018 at 09:15:56
hold alt & type 64(with numpad), then release the alt key, @ will be typed, link:

https://www.altcodes.nl/

you can also try clicking LeftShift+LeftControl at the same time, this may switch a setting on your keyboard

look at my shift number if i switch with Lshift+Lctr:

before:!@#$%^&*()
after:!"#$%&_()'

as for the monitor, plug the hdmi-cble in the tv, & in the PC-case(at the back)

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#4
March 17, 2018 at 03:38:35
Thanks for the answer.

I meant 'shift key' and not 'caps lock' (I blame the dog for barking at the postman while I was typing)

I changed the language setting on the keyboard from English (United States) to English (United Kingdom) and now the @ works with correct key, not shift +2.



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#5
March 17, 2018 at 03:56:02
I'm going to get lost in these answers..lol.

What I'm trying to do is use the television as a monitor during the afternoon and then go back to normal television in the evening. I thought I could do that by connecting the monitor and the television and selecting the right channel for whatever I wanted,TV or monitor.

I plugged in the HDMI cable from the monitor to the television.

I had the following options:

EXT 1 and 2 - CVBS
EXT 3 and 8 - not available to select
EXT 4, 5, 6 - all HDMI
EXT 7 - RGB

The monitor is on.

No matter which channel I selected from 4 to 7, the television screen stayed blank.

My PC is a pretty old Advent and has no HDMI socket on it so I can't go directly from the PC to the television.

As you can see, me and techno-warriors like yourselves don't have a lot in common. Life was easier before computers, but I was young back then.


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#6
March 17, 2018 at 04:46:53
you may need one of those VGA to HDMI converters, but im no expert at this subject.

im thinking VGA to HMDI, here is picture
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/3615...

plug that from your PC to the TV

should still support 1080p(HD) at 60 fps output.

but its best to wait for another response, as i might get corrected.

to be fair tho, the cable is like 4$, & maby you can ask the store if you can return it if it doesnt work

here is a video about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUu...

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#7
March 17, 2018 at 06:43:33
"the @ works with correct key, not shift +2"

You didn't say you weren't from the US. On US keyboard, "shift+2" is the @ symbol.

"No matter which channel I selected from 4 to 7, the television screen stayed blank"

The channel has nothing to do with it. There should be an input setting - accessible by using the remote or by pressing buttons on the TV.

"My PC is a pretty old Advent and has no HDMI socket on it so I can't go directly from the PC to the television."
"I plugged in the HDMI cable from the monitor to the television"

You MUST connect the video cable from the PC to the TV, not from the monitor to the TV. The HDMI ports on the monitor are inputs, not outputs, so no signal is getting to the TV. How many video outputs do you have on the computer? If you only have one but want to use both monitor & TV, you will have to install a graphics cards that has all the output ports you need. The cheaper cards usually have VGA, HDMI, & DVI such as the one shown here >> http://www.bcot1.com/IMG_0656b.jpg

If you want dual HDMI ports, you will have to pay more for a higher end card.


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#8
March 17, 2018 at 07:20:31
The simlarities and minor differences between UK and USA keyboard layouts, let alone the keyboards themselves which can look the same (but aren’t quite), frequently causes the problem where “some” characters appear either not to be there, or are elsewhere on the given keyboard.

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#9
March 18, 2018 at 09:43:16
Thanks for the replies.

You people are really helpful (UK English)

You guys are really helpful (US English)

To be honest when I got on here I didn't know I was on a U.S. site, hence the confusion with the keyboard. I have no idea why my grand-daughter had it on the English (USA) setting. I would guess she never used the @ symbol.

The photo you put on here shows 3 outputs (see... I'm learning)

My VGA output goes to my monitor, I have no HDMI output, but my white output, like your photo, has three rows of 8 holes, but at the right hand end where your photo has 4 small holes, my one has just one very small horizontal slot.

No idea what this output is called, and I can't search for a 'wotsit' or a 'thingummybob' (old English words) so is there an adapter that will work and connect this as yet un-named output to the HDMI input on my television?

Thanks



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#10
March 18, 2018 at 11:33:28
"Aktually..." this is erm... an English (British) site; but erm...they encourage "the cousins" (as they call them in MI6/CIA land) from across the pond, and in the not so frozen wastes just off Antarctica - and other parts of the world too - to join in... The hardware/servers for the site in USA - not sure where though...

Seriously though; the input here is from all over the world; and in effect has a sort of shift running...

Depending on the time zone different pholks are here accordingly.

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#11
March 19, 2018 at 14:24:16
In the photo, the blue port is VGA (aka D-sub), the center is HDMI, & the white port is DVI. VGA is purely analog, HDMI is digital + audio, DVI can be digital or analog. There are several different types of DVI ports as shown here: http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2004...

We need to know which video output ports are available on the back of the PC. Then we can determine what can be connected to what.

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#12
March 20, 2018 at 13:35:39
Well that was clever of me...

I decided to take a photo of the back of my PC and put it on here, but due to my monitor cable being short there's no room to get my phone down the back of the computer , so I got down on my hands and dodgy knees and halfway through getting all the cables off to get the photo, the landline phone rang. She-who-must-be-obeyed was in the shower and the dog won't answer the phone for anybody. Naturally, it was about 9 inches (yes, I stayed in imperial, I never converted) further away than I could reach, so I had to get up. After the phone call I got back down, removed the rest of the cables, turned the computer around and took a photo. I then went outside for a smoke, came back in and plugged my phone into my computer, got the photo on there and then sat down to put it on here, only to discover that I couldn't as there's no option for it, or I can't see it.

So, I have my VGA (blue) going to my monitor, a USB to my mouse, a USB to my colour printer, a small circular purple output to my keyboard, a small green circular output to my speakers, a long pink output (larger then the blue VGA) with lots of holes that goes to my black and white Laserjet printer, an ethernet cable, and the white one which, after looking at your photo, I'm pretty sure is a DVI-D (DVI Digital) Dual Link.

I’m not 100% sure, only because the small horizontal slot at the right hand end of my output doesn’t look as long as the one in the photo, but it’s definitely not any of the others.

Thanks for putting up with me.


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#13
March 23, 2018 at 16:02:51
Anyone left to help me

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#14
March 23, 2018 at 20:18:26
The slot on the right means with the smaller squares above and below it is a DVI-I which is digital and analog so a DVI to VGA adapter can be used BUT that adapter will not help you. You CAN purchase a DVI to HDMI adapter or adapter cable and that can go to your TV set and that should work with either DVI port. Here is an example of one:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...
You can use the different images to show the pictures of both ends. Newegg I believe only sells in US & maybe Canada but I am sure you can find it there as well.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#15
March 24, 2018 at 03:13:05
New Egg now offer sales overseas too. They provide an option to select your country (top right corner there is a default flag icon on which you clck to change to your contry flag...)

I think the actual shipping is still from within USA, so not sure how that will affect possible import taxes for some countries

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#16
March 24, 2018 at 06:55:29
Thanks for the replies.

Would this also work instead?

A 3 metre lead from the DUAL LINK to the HDMI input on the television?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/CSL-Speed-...


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#17
March 24, 2018 at 20:56:35
No, it is an HDMI to DVI, you need a DVI to HDMI to connect from your DVI from computer to the HDMI on the TV (this one is for HDMI device to DVI monitor).
Like this one:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...
note the order of the wording in the description.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#18
March 29, 2018 at 01:49:35
Thanks for the reply, and apologies for the late response, been busy elsewhere.

I thought a lead was a lead, if the ends were the same, you just turn the lead round.

Shows what I know.


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#19
March 29, 2018 at 20:34:17
Yeah, you have to read the description and the specs and sometimes the questions/answers and reviews for detailed clues.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#20
March 30, 2018 at 14:53:18
Ordered the lead, and another contraption that I cant recall the name of that lets me plug in more hardware with ethernet cables. Needed that because 'she who must be obeyed' can't use her laptop in this room, it's too far from the hub and 4 brick walls away. And I can also run both both desktops at the same time. Got a CAT5 cable going right through the loft of this long bungalow from one end to the other. Being delivered by Tuesday next week.

If the world wide web crashes on Tuesday afternoon, it was me.

Next step is trying to get a decent mobile phone signal without wandering around the garden waving the phone in the air as we live in the middle of nowhere. Luckily I don't use mine much.

Thanks for all your help.


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#21
March 30, 2018 at 15:29:12
As long as that long ethernet cable is no more than 100metres (330ft) max... That’s the maxixum practical run for a decent ethernet cable; any longer than that is not likely to work reliabley - if at all.

You could use homeplug adapters to the same end result and have the option of ethernet anywhere in the house.; and thus allow the installation of a second router (provding both more ethernet ports and wifi) anywhere.


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#22
April 1, 2018 at 09:19:26
I'm back earlier then expected due to my parcels arriving early,

The CAT5 cable is about 95 feet long and has worked fine for 2 years since we moved here. The new 'thing' I have is a 'tp-link' box. Plugged the CAT5 cable into port 1 and now have my computer plugged in port 2, and when some new (short) ethernet cables get here next week I'll plug my grand-daughters computer into port 3 and I can't foresee any problems. Would have done it today but I can't find any old ethernet cables here. 'She who must be obeyed' has no doubt 'tidied them up' when we moved here and they are in a landfill site somewhere.

Good fun installing my HP printer/scanner on the grand-daughters computer, It said 'the installation was unsuccessful' - but it prints okay!!

However...going back to the DVI to HDMI cable that links my PC to my television so I can use it as a monitor.....I'm puzzled (what's new? I hear you ask)

Plugged it into the DVI port on the computer, ran the cable around the back of my desk to the television (only 10 feet long) plugged it into the HDMI port, and selected AV MODE - PC with the remote control.

My desktop picture came on the television screen, but nothing else.

The 8 or 9 short cuts I have on the monitor screen don't even appear on the television screen, and nothing else happens when I go to new pages on my monitor screen, the t.v. will only show my desktop picture.

Any ideas?



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#23
April 1, 2018 at 12:39:10
That depends on how you have the second monitor set up. You can set up the second monitor as a Mirror to your desktop monitor (or laptop) and it will show all that is on your desktop. You can Extend the monitor so that the TV as monitor is an extension of your desktop monitor so the TV will be Next to or Above the monitor, you then move your mouse off that edge of your screen and Onto the TV screen and anything you drag onto that screen will appear on that piece of desktop real estate. You need to go to your video card software (if distinct graphics card) or on Windows options: Right click on Desktop and select Personalize, Screen Resolution, Properties, or similar depending on the version of Windows you have to get to the monitor settings.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#24
April 2, 2018 at 02:16:22
LOL - l'll read that quite a few times before I try anything.

But in the meantime - I’m more than puzzled now.

I send tables of statistics to a few friends six days a week. I can’t send them as spreadsheets as they arrive there with all the grid lines removed and it’s just a mass of numbers with no separations. I take screenshots, send them as attachments and they arrive intact and readable.

I took 3 screenshots as usual last night but when I went to attach them they looked different in the small icons in my pictures folder. I opened one up before sending it and instead of the stats on the left plus the empty unused cells in the normal screenshots I take, the empty cells were now all black, and on the right was a picture of my desktop background. I corrected this by unplugging the HDMI end of the lead from the television and took my 3 screenshots again, which were fine.

I’m still puzzled as to what happened though.


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#25
April 2, 2018 at 06:05:12
If you send a spreadsheet such as Excel the recipient must have the program Excel or another compatible office suite installed (Openoffice and a few others are free and compatible) in order for them to open them. I do not remember off hand if any versions offer the option to export as PDF but if yours does then that is much more universal, just for viewing and printing though.
As for screen shots, use Windows Snipping Tool to snap a shot of a specific area on screen and save it from there. It is also a more universal format that opens in a picture viewer so it can be looked at and printed as well.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#26
April 4, 2018 at 01:54:59
Thanks for the answer on spreadsheets but they can both read what I send as it is, so I'll just leave it at that.

I went to my monitor settings. There was an option to extend my monitor to a second one (the television) but from what I could see there was no option to mirror it, I opted for the extension just to have a look at it working but my mouse stayed on my desktop and my desktop background picture vanished from the television. I then reverted back to the normal settings but the desktop background on my television is still absent, which isn't a problem as it served no purpose there.

So, with no 'mirror' option I seem to have wasted my cash on the cable. I've wasted money on worst things.

I suppose the only option for using the television as a monitor is for a VGA to HDMI cable from my computer and disconnecting my monitor.



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#27
April 6, 2018 at 04:41:28
Thought I'd pop back.

I left the DVI to HDMI cable plugged in from the PC to the television last night.

We had to turn the mains power supply off this morning for a short while.

When it was turned back on the normal screen for Windows came on the PC (the small rectangle at the bottom with the orange 'lights' going across it and the words 'Microsoft Corporation) .but it also came on to the television. When the small circle appeared in the centre of both screens, and played the microsoft tune I thought the television was finally working as a monitor.

No such luck.

When the log on screen appeared on the monitor PC it never appeared on the television.

The television still shows my desktop background picture and that's all it does.

It also managed to reappear on my emails that I took screenshots of this morning.

If I wasn't already mad I'd soon get there (insert smiley emoticon)

Thanks for all the help.



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#28
April 6, 2018 at 05:05:37
Apparently the only way you are going to make that happen will be to invest in a video card for the machine with multiple outputs including at least one HDMI output.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#29
April 6, 2018 at 17:50:58
If you move the mouse pointer off screen to the left or right, do you see the mouse pointer on the TV?
If so, then your display is setup as "EXTENDED".

Do you see this on your PC?
https://ibb.co/mu06px


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#30
April 8, 2018 at 00:58:46
I said earlier that my mouse stayed on the monitor screen. Schoolboy error I'm afraid, I'm left handed and naturally took the mouse to the left where it did stay on the screen.

Just tried it to the right side of the monitor and it went on to the television.

So any webpage I want to make larger, I minimise on my monitor, drag it onto the television then maximise it.again.

Solved.

I was on a site yesterday and clicked on an advert that my PC didn't take a liking to and closed it down.

When I powered up again I got the usual screen with the message 'to start windows normally' - enter = choose

Still have to unplug the HDMI end of the lead from the television (no hardship, only takes 3 seconds) to take screen shots or my desktop background picture gets on the pictures as well.

You do realise that there are lots of people like me and I shall pass on this site address to those with problems.

' In 1960 my dad said I should become an astronaut. I have nothing in my head but space.'

Once again, thanks for all the help.


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#31
April 8, 2018 at 20:37:36
Instead of screen shots try using Snipping Tool, it has come included I think since XP but most of us did not know about it then. I use it regularly in Windows 7 and 10 and keep it ready on my task bar. You may have to search the computer to find it and then pin it to the task bar but then you open it and select new and click and drag your mouse from one corner to the diagonally opposite corner of what you want a copy of. Once you release the mouse it pops up in its own windows and you can save it. On Windows 7 you need to save it is you want to print it, on Windows 10 you can print it without saving it but on larger ones it splits it onto multiple pages unless you save it, close it, and when you reopen it it is in Picture viewer so it prints a better sized image.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#32
April 10, 2018 at 08:32:17
I'll have a look for that.

Thanks


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#33
April 22, 2018 at 09:37:08
Snipping tool works fine.

Now I have another problem if you can help?

I have a few videos made from my phone that play fine on my computer (Windows Vista) with VLC media player, but when I want to string them together in Windows Movie Maker and select 'pictures' in import media, the films don't show in the pictures folder (everything does, but no films) but if I close Windows Movie Maker and open my pictures folder, they are all there.



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