Solved Looking to upgrade my GPU.

April 7, 2018 at 00:41:46
Specs: Windows 10
Hello, I am no where near what you might call Tech-savy, I just tried opening up my computer and using online guides to find out information and I was getting so frustrated I wanted to just throw out my pc, so I figured maybe I should ask some people what to do instead. I am looking to upgrade my computer so I will be able to play better games, currently I am only able to play a few big name games, but only ones that are very low spec. I would like to be able to play games such as PUBG and Overwatch, but my computer will barley run even the simplest of things. I have an HP Pavilion P7-1010. These are the specs for the computer, https://support.hp.com/us-en/docume... . Nothing has been changed or altered in the PC at all since I got it several years ago. I have been recommended to get a nvidia gtx 1050, because it is a good gpu and cheap. But I was told I needed to check out the inside of my PC to see if my computer would be able to even use the GPU I was looking into. But I have no idea of even trying to find out if it is able to use it or not. I have no knowledge of anything PC related whatsoever and I am so lost. I have done countless hours of research online and I am still at square one. If anyone could help me I would greatly appreciate it.

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April 8, 2018 at 21:13:46
The 6pin or 8 pin connector your friend speaks of is the auxiliary power connector for some graphics cards but the one you have chosen does not need one. If you eventually go up a grade or two you might need one but for now you do not.
The Corsair power supply I recommended is all you will need and has the connector for even the more powerful graphics cards for at least the next two steps up the ladder from the one you are looking at now. Anything higher and you might need a more powerful power supply, but not for your current system.

Hidde -> "PSU: anything between 450 & 750 watts~50$"
There is nothing good about 'anything' when discussing power supplies. There is much risk and wasted money on cheap power supplies and those can include the $50. price range in many cases. You always want to look for a quality power supply, 80% or greater certified efficiency, Active PFC, Single 12 Volt rail with a high amperage rating on that single 12Volt rail, and a 3-5 year warranty. Cheep power supplies typically list high amps on the 3.3Volt and 5Volt rails because they are easier to push high in order to list high Wattage numbers but are useless because all modern components that draw more current do so off of the 12Volt Rail. A Good 430Watt power supply can have a significantly higher 12Volt Amperage rating than a 650 Watt cheap model which makes that 650Watt model just an overinflated 300Watt model.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.



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April 7, 2018 at 05:14:32
In looking at the motherboard specs there is not problem there.
Your case is a full width so there is no problem there.
Your power supply is weak based on the listed specs for the graphics card which means that it may work but may not and may have trouble when under the most stress like during extreme moments while playing a game. I recommend therefore that you purchase a new power supply for it making sure that it is a quality power supply with a minimum of 300Watts and a single 12volt rail.
Look at this one:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...
which is $20. after rebate plus shipping (US).

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April 7, 2018 at 06:45:38
Countless hours of research? It's actually pretty simple. If you want to install a graphics card, all you have to do is check to see if your motherboard has a PCIe x16 slot available & if the power supply has enough wattage & amperage to support your graphics card of choice. Looking at the specs you provided, the motherboard has "1 PCI Express x16 slot for graphics card", so that's covered.

You want to install a GTX 1050, so you have to look at the card specs to get the power requirements. NVIDIA recommends a 300W PSU minimum: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforc...

The PSU listed in the HP specs is only 250W, so a PSU upgrade will be required. And it would be better to get one with higher wattage than the minimum recommendation. Here's a Corsair 450W semi-modular for just $27 after rebate: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...


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April 7, 2018 at 23:23:57
Lol yes, I've been up late for many nights trying to figure all of this out. My problem is I have never learned anything about the insides of a computer, as a teen I learned some things involving coding, but never about the insides of the computer. So when you say,all you have to do is check your motherboard, I'm not 100% sure what part of the mother board, or what a PCIe x16 slot is. I have a friend who is knowledgeable on computers, but when he explains it to me, it just goes right over my head. I have looked up images of certain parts of my computer, to maybe see if I could find out necessary information that way, instead of having to take my computer apart (mostly because I don't want to remove something and forget it, or totally mess something up). However, these comments have helped me a lot, and things make a little more sense now. My friend has told me "As far as the socket type, that’s related to the processor, so that tells me you have a decent enough processor in your computer that should match well with the gtx1050 power-wise. But the pins on the power supply is what needs to be figured out now (the whole 6 or 8 pin thing). Look for nvidia gtx 1050s that don’t require an external power cord (6/8 pin connector) to be plugged into it and let me know what you find." Because I initially told him about the Nvidia Graphics card I was recommended , and he asked me to find out about the pins on the power supply, and I got totally lost after that point. Needless to say, if it involves me delving into the insides of the PC, I know almost nothing at this point

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April 8, 2018 at 07:53:03
You're putting WAY too much thought into this. Everything is standardized. All modern power supplies have a 24-pin main ATX plug & a 4-pin (or 8-pin) ATX12V plug for the CPU. The 8-pin plug is often listed as 4+4-pin because it can be separated into two 4-pin plugs for use on boards with a 4-pin ATV12V connector (rather than 8-pin). You posted a link to your system specs & on that page is a link to the motherboard specs. Here it is: https://support.hp.com/us-en/docume...

Look at the picture of the board. In the upper left quadrant, you'll see 3 short black slots & one long black slot. The short ones are PCIe x1, the long one is PCIe x16 (for graphics cards). At the very bottom edge of the board (in the center), you'll see the 24-pin ATX connector for plugging in the power supply. There's also a 4-pin ATX12V plug that's rotated 45 degrees; it's directly above the CPU socket & just to the right of the chipset heatsink. That connector supplies power to the CPU.

Here's an explanation of the different plugs, complete with pictures: http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuco... If you look at the way the plugs are made, you'll see it's almost impossible to plug them in incorrectly.

And if you look at the NVIDIA link I posted in my other response, you'll see that the GTX 1050 doesn't require a supplementary power connector. The card gets 100% of it's power from the PCE x16 slot.

Here's an explanation about PCI Express: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/ever...

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April 8, 2018 at 08:14:24
the GTX 1050 would be about the best video card your CPU can handle

perhaps waiting a month or 2 for NVIDIA's 1100 series GPU's might be better, since they are rumored to have RAY TRACING& double the memory bandwith (up to 16GB/s)

i would acctually recommend buying a new PC entirely, even with a budget of around 800$ you can get really far

MOTHERBO:H310~100$
CPU: i5-8400~180$
GPU: 1150 or 1150 ti or 1160(may be called different)~300~400$ (or a current gen 1050/1050 ti/1060)
RAM 8 GB DDR4-2133MHz by crucial(because its cheap)~80$
PSU: anything between 450 & 750 watts~50$
CASE: you can probably use the old one,or buy a new one (50-80$ range are really good)
HDD/SSD: you already have one, with an OS installed on it

+probably a 50~100$ fee for putting it together
total of about 800~900$, without a screen, but im pretty sure you already have one :)

something like that will get you through the next 5 years or so

i5-6600K[delid]@4.8GHz/4.5GHz@1.385v | 2x4GB Crucial-DDR4-2133@15-15-15-35 1T 2800MHz@1.37v
ASUS Z170K | Samsung 250GB SSD 850 EVO
MSI Armor RX 570 4GB@1411@1.25v/1930 BiosMod


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April 8, 2018 at 21:13:46
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The 6pin or 8 pin connector your friend speaks of is the auxiliary power connector for some graphics cards but the one you have chosen does not need one. If you eventually go up a grade or two you might need one but for now you do not.
The Corsair power supply I recommended is all you will need and has the connector for even the more powerful graphics cards for at least the next two steps up the ladder from the one you are looking at now. Anything higher and you might need a more powerful power supply, but not for your current system.

Hidde -> "PSU: anything between 450 & 750 watts~50$"
There is nothing good about 'anything' when discussing power supplies. There is much risk and wasted money on cheap power supplies and those can include the $50. price range in many cases. You always want to look for a quality power supply, 80% or greater certified efficiency, Active PFC, Single 12 Volt rail with a high amperage rating on that single 12Volt rail, and a 3-5 year warranty. Cheep power supplies typically list high amps on the 3.3Volt and 5Volt rails because they are easier to push high in order to list high Wattage numbers but are useless because all modern components that draw more current do so off of the 12Volt Rail. A Good 430Watt power supply can have a significantly higher 12Volt Amperage rating than a 650 Watt cheap model which makes that 650Watt model just an overinflated 300Watt model.

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