help needed, after a modest gaming rig build

November 8, 2010 at 08:15:59
Specs: Linux x86_64, 4 GB Kingmax
Hi guys! I`m new on this forum and I need your help. My main gaming rig is too powerhungry, so I have build a new, more modest PC. Here are my specs:
Case Antec 300 with 5 Fans 3 intake,2 exhaust
MB Asus P5N32 SLI Deluxe (Socket LGA775, nForce4)
CPU P4 HT 640 3,2GHz FSB 800
Cooler Prolimatech Megahalem with 1 Noctua 120x120x25 Fan 800 rpm
RAM 2x2048MB Kingmax FSB 800 (4GB total)
PSU Thermaltake W0116 750W
HDD Sata2 WD(WD5000AAKS) 500 GB 7200rpm 16MB Buffer
Monitor LG L227WTP 1920x1080Hz
DWDRW LG Sata2
Graphics Card Palit GTS450 1GB
Now, I had chosen P4 640 HT over Pentium D 830, and my games in Linux work OK(I play mainly Sauerbraten, Nexuiz, TORCS) but I would like to add a new HDD and install Windows just for playing. My main question is:
Did I chose correctly between P4 640 HT and Pentium D 830(I won`t do multitasking on Windows, just playing) what Windows OS to chose between XP and Win7, and could I play games like Crysis Warhead, Need 4 Speed SHIFT, Far Cry2, COD2 and 5 and at what resolution. I do not want to OC the CPU, beacause I do not want to shorten it`s lifetime, since all parts of this rig are new... My CPU idle temp is 29-30°C and under load 33-34°C (ambient temp 26°C), MB temp 31-32°C and HDD temp 29°C. If I must change CPU with a Pentium D(E is not supported by this MB), there`s no problem, and any suggestions are welcome.
Thanks for your help!
Cheers

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#1
November 8, 2010 at 10:30:01
It would be nice to see your "powerhungry" gaming PC specs for comparison, but it appears what you built is a 5 yr old PC with a modern gaming card.

Notice that the P4 640 HT was released in the 1st quarter of 2005:

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?i...

The board was also released in 2005:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/1836

You could have built a more modern, better performing & more energy efficient rig that would smoke your outdated P4 combo & it probably would have been cheaper. I question why you invested so much in the case, power supply & CPU cooling setup, especially since you appear to be against overclocking. BTW, if done wisely, overclocking does NOT reduce the lifespan of a CPU.


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#2
November 8, 2010 at 11:37:43
Yes, maybe you are right, but I have had already the MB and I have build the system around it, after I have seen how much power my new PC was eating

Here are it`s specs:
Case Antec 1200 with 4 intake 120x120x25 Fans and 3 exhaust Fans
PSU Corsair 1000W
MB Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5
RAM 3x2048MB DDR3 6144 (3 x 2048MB) 2000MHz CL9 Essential total 6GB
CPU Intel Core i7 920
Cooler Prolimatech Megahalem with 2 Noctua Fans push-pull-config.
Graphics Cards 2x Gigabyte GTX 285 SLI Mode
HDD 2xSeagate SV35.5 Series 1TB SATA2 32MB
DWDRW LG
Monitor LG L227WTP 1920x1080Hz (I am using the same Monitor on 2 PC`s)
Speakers Microlab SOLO 7c

But you did not answer my question about what WinOS to install and how those games will perform...

And BTW, if OC does not shorten the lifetime of a CPU, how would you overclock this P4, or should I get a Pentium D830 instead of it...?
And another thing: I have invested in GPU, cooling etc., beacause I can reuse them if I will change the MB and CPU in future time, but just not now...
Thanks


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#3
November 8, 2010 at 14:56:14
Your biggest mistake was keeping the old board. There's no point changing the CPU. As for overclocking it, I'd have to download the motherboard manual to see which settings are available but I suspect the video card will be bottlenecked no matter what.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/2...

I hope you don't mind me pointing out what else I feel is wrong with the configuration.....

- PC case - the Antec 300 isn't all that expensive but the bottom mount PSU design sucks, literally. The PSU intake fan acts as a vacuum, sucking in anything that gets near it (dust, hair, lint, crumbs, etc). Plus it's so close to the table (or floor) that airflow to it is restricted. Not only that, but the heat from the PSU rises upward into the case, usually right up to the video card. None of this a problem with the traditional top mount design. Also, 5 cooling fans is overkill...rarely is more than a single 120mm exhaust fan ever needed.

- CPU cooler - you could have saved a ton of money here, probably enough to buy a modern CPU & motherboard that would make minced meat out of the P4/nF4.

- PSU - 750W is overkill. You could easily get by with a quality 400W unit.

- Video - the GTS 450 isn't all that far behind the GTX 285 & as stated above, will be bottlenecked by the P4. A better choice for a "modest" gaming rig would have been the GT 240 or HD 5570.



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#4
November 8, 2010 at 21:23:44
Hi mickliq and thank you for your straightforward answer. I am glad you point out what else you feel there is wrong with my configuration. The Motherboard was won on a conquest by my son 3 or 4 years ago, but he didn't show any interest in it, and he's had the PSU as a reserve component. So, I bought the case, because it was similar in design with my Antec 1200 and I have read some good reviews about it, regarding airflow. I bought he rest of the components, like the fans in the hope, they will keep the case cool, and I think they do a good job. My overall temps are good, aren't they...? (Maximum temperature on the GPU was 54°C, on CPU 34°C, MB 34°C and HDD 30°C). Regarding dust, I have mounted on the side panel a dust filter and the front panel already has had it, and, I try to keep the room clean as much as possible, the PSU is at 15 cm distance from the GPU, and I open the case every week, but I didn't find any dust in it so far. The GTS 450 was bought in the hope that I can reuse it when I will change the MB, RAM and CPU in the future, but just not now, and ATI-cards do not work very well in Linux AFAIK.
What I could do is a BIOS upgrade, but I didn't find it necessary, because I didn't have any problems with the board. I am using Debian Squeeze as my main OS and it works flawless, even with multitasking. I do not know however how things will be in Windows and which one to choose from XP and Win7 for gaming...
Do you think those games will work OK in shall we say windowed mode 1440x900 resolution?
I have forgot to mention, I have a very strong 2000 Watt (not VA) UPS, which can keep both my rigs running together at the same time.
Thanks again for taking your time for helping me and I am waiting for your other posts.
Cheers

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#5
November 10, 2010 at 10:21:22
"My overall temps are good, aren't they...?"

Yes, but they would probably be the same with a standard case with top mounted power supply & a single 120mm rear exhaust fan.

"Regarding dust, I have mounted on the side panel a dust filter and the front panel already has had it"

The problem is UNDER the case. I'll let Tom's Hardware explain:

"Moving the power supply to the bottom of the case has several negative effects. First, it takes the power supply’ fan away from the top, so that another fan has to be used to remove case heat, adding noise. Second, it makes cable management more difficult, often times with the ATX12V cable not reaching its motherboard connector. Third, as the power supply casing warms up, it heats the graphics cards.

The only benefit of putting a power supply at the bottom of a case is that the power supply itself runs cooler temporarily, drawing dusty air from under the case until it plugs up. Once the power supply is full of dust, carpet/paper fibers and whatever other small items clutter your desk or floor, the benefit of having its own cooling path disappears."

The Problem of Bottom-Mounted Power


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#6
November 11, 2010 at 01:47:31
Hi and thanks for your reply. Have you read the Asus P5N32SLI Deluxe manual? I am no expert, but I have seen this board has pretty good OC possibilities. What about a mild OC of the CPU, is it worth and have you any advice for me...?
Thanks in advance

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#7
November 11, 2010 at 03:41:54
overclocking that p4 is useless, even if u reach 4ghz the bottleneck will be still there.

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#8
November 11, 2010 at 04:11:11
Yeah, I know, but at least improve performance, to be able to play those games...

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#9
November 12, 2010 at 10:32:03
it will but very noticeable u have a good graphics card but an old cpu which will bottleneck as for the mobo i dont rlly think its an issue as motherboards dont game lol they are the area of communication but still its old but its alive if u can change cpu it would be better

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#10
November 12, 2010 at 13:03:56
Thanks, any suggestion on the CPU...? The board supports only Pentium D's...

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#11
November 13, 2010 at 07:32:10
there are loads of pentium dual cores around i would suggest a pentiu dual core E5700 or an E 5400 but if u want quad cores need a new board

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#12
November 13, 2010 at 12:43:51
My mobo doesn't support that kind of CPU's, only:
"LGA775 socket for Intel® Pentium® Processor Extreme
Edition/Intel® Pentium® D/Intel® Pentium® 4/
Intel® Celeron® processors
Compatible with Intel® PCG 05B/05A and 04B/04A
processors
Supports Intel® Enhanced Memory 64 Technology (EM64T)
Supports Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology (EIST)
Supports Intel® Hyper-Threading Technology
(N o t e : Visit the ASUS website at www.asus.com for the Intel®
Pentium® D CPU and EIST support list.)", so I guess except Extreme Edition, Pentium D 940 would be it's maximum...



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#13
November 13, 2010 at 23:27:17
from my eperience once a mobo supports a pentium dual core it would support all pentium dual cores but since u said that it supports pentium dual 940 as its maximum then u dont have a choice either change the mobo for a new cpu or get the d 940

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#14
November 14, 2010 at 06:41:15
Ok, thanks.

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