Problems installing MS-DOS 7.10

Us computer / Patriot
June 17, 2010 at 11:57:20
Specs: MS-DOS 7.10, 100Mhz/40MB
Hello, I own a off-brand desktop computer (US Computer Patriot) and I am having trouble trying to install DOS 7.10 to a wiped hard drive. What happens is I put in the first disk (1.44MB Floppies), load setup, and the first disk installs. But then setup asks for disk 2, I put in the second disk, press enter, and nothing. At first, I thought the disk drive was bad, so I replaced it with another. Loaded setup, installed first disk, put in disk 2, pressed enter, nothing. Then I assumed the disks were bad, so I made new setup disks. But the same problem keeps happening. I tryed using the original disks and the new disks in Virtual PC, and they worked perfectly fine. I replaced the cable that goes from the floppy drive -> motherboard, still nothing. Then I thought the IDE port was crapped out, so I made a boot disk and it loaded just fine. I have no idea what could possibly be wrong. Please help me, thank you.

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#1
June 17, 2010 at 12:22:20
Sounds like your disk spanning got messedup when you made the disks or maybe the second disk has bad sectors on it.

Try running a Scandisk on the second floppy. Floppies only hold their data for about 7 years then they start to go bad.

The other thing you could do is simply boot off the first disk and exit the setup program. Then from the DOS prompt type

format c: /s

which will format the drive and place the DOS systems files on it. If the partition does not exist then run fdsik to create one.

Once the drive is setup then you can just simply copy the files to the hard drive.


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#2
June 17, 2010 at 12:47:16
Im unable to run scandisk because I type scandisk at the A:
prompt (using a Windows 95 boot disk) and the system restarts
after I press enter. I copied the W95 Boot disk to a 5.25" floppy
and tried to run scandisk but the same thing happens.

And the second option doesn't work either because it says
"Bad command or file name".


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#3
June 17, 2010 at 13:44:39
I had forgotten to mention that I have to skip setup searching
for a partitionon the hdd and rewriting the mbr code or else
either one will hang.

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#4
June 17, 2010 at 15:14:52
Hi Sega,

Sounds like you've done a good troubleshoot.

At this point I would rum MEMTEST or one of the similar utils.


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#5
June 17, 2010 at 15:23:39
In BIOS try to set Controller settings from AHCI to IDE.
Then give it another try.

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Let us know, if the problem is solved !!!


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#6
June 17, 2010 at 19:39:34
Where did you get the floppies? Are they somebody's homemade set?

Earlier versions of dos had disk labels that the setup would search for. If you put in a disk without the correct label it'd keep prompting you to put in the disk.

These of course were software labels created by the LABEL command and not the sticker on the disk.

Don't know if that's your problem or if someone just made a bad set.

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#7
June 18, 2010 at 05:26:13
If the disks are working in VM, the disks are ok.

The original poster should always write the last response !!!
Let us know, if the problem is solved !!!


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#8
June 18, 2010 at 19:36:27
What's the model number of the hard drive? Does the bios see it OK?

Assuming the hard drive has nothing you wish saved, boot up with your boot disk and type FDISK/MBR and enter. It'll leave you back at the a:\> prompt. Then run FDISK again. Delete the existing partition(s) and repartition. Then reboot, format and try the install again

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#9
June 18, 2010 at 22:54:39
Can you boot your computer with a cd?? Do you have or can you get MS-DOS 7.1 CD?? I have MS-DOS 7.1 installed on 2 computers, the first one is my music box and the other is a 486. the 486 can not boot from a cd. the music box can boot off a cd so installation was easy, just booted and installed. the 486 how ever was a bit more difficult. I had to build a boot disk, (i used the music box to build it) I formatted the hard drive with the boot disk (format c:/s) and then I copied over the files HIMEM.SYS, MSCDEX.EXE. I then wrote a quick config.sys and autoexec.bat to load the himem.sys and mscdex.exe to be able to access the cd rom drive. I then booted the computer and loaded off the MS-DOS 7.1 CD.
You stated that you can't format the C: drive with your start up disk, that is reports "Bad command or file name", what exactly is on your start up disk?? Please list all files that are on it. One of the files should be format.com. Do you have access to a floppy drive that is in a computer that is hooked to the internet?? What hardware do you have in your computer, the Patriot?? Do you have a CD-ROM, how big is the hard drive, I am assuming you have an A drive that is 3.5 1.44mb floppy and a 5.25 1.2mb B: drive, do you have an on board I/O card or is it an actual separate card??

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#10
June 27, 2010 at 18:05:54
Sorry I haven't replyed in a week and a half, ive been on vacation without a computer on hand, but anyways here are some answers:

@ Paulsep, Controller is already set to IDE.
@ DAVEINCAPS, this is a backup set from the original disks that I found at a family members house. (dont know which version) The hard drive is a Conner Peripherals 1275MB CF1275A (BIOS and POST detect hard drive with correct settings). And the FDISK/MBR worked but only when I used a Windows 95 boot disk.
@ cj4334, Since im only installing the first disk, I'll list the files thats on the first setup disk. (DOS 7.10 allows the first disk to be installed)
1.) ATTR
2.) BOOTPART
3.) CHANGE
4.) CPUDET
5.) CTMOUSE
6.) DELTREE
7.) DISKVOL
8.) DOS71_1S.PAK
9.) DOSKEY
10.) DREADY
11.) ELTORITO
12.) FIND
13.) FINDCD
14.) GDISK
15.) HIMEM
16.) INIFILE
17.) KEYRATE
18.) killer
19.) LICENSE
20.) MCD
21.) MESSAGES
22.) MSCDEX
23.) PKUNZIP
24.) RESET1.STP
25.) RESET2.STP
26.) SETUP.BAT
27.) SETUP
28.) SHUTDOWN
29.) SUSCR
30.) VIDE-CDD
31.) W
32.) WBAT
33.) XFIND
34.) XMSDSK

I noticed FORMAT.COM wasn't on here, that could be the problem.

"Do you have access to a floppy drive that is in a computer that is hooked to the internet?" Yes.
CD-ROM? Yes.
Hard Drive is 1275 MB (around 1.25GB)
3.5" (A:) and 5.25" (B:) are both hooked up and working.
I/O is built-in to the motherboard.


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#11
June 27, 2010 at 21:48:12
That's some weird files you got there. They're included in a 'dos on USB stick' download:

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthre...

so I don't know how it would work as a general hard drive install. But my guess is that's why you're having problems installing it. Maybe installing it in virtual PC somehow got around the problem.

I know there are 7.1 downloads but if I was doing it, I'd just SYS a prepared hard drive with a 98 bootdisk and then copy the contents of someones 98 windows\command directory to a DOS directory on the hard drive. You'd also need a few files from the windows directory--himem.sys and emm386.exe and possibly others.

Then I'd add other dos files as needed--maybe the OLDDOS download from MS, DELTREE, DIAG, etc. Then I'd edit a basic config.sys and autoexec.bat and run MEMMAKER (from OLDDOS) to maximize memory allocation in the lower 640K.

When booting up after a successful install you'd get a momentary 98 splash screen and then a c\> prompt.

But I don't know what to tell you to get your disks to install. Maybe others will have ideas.

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#12
June 28, 2010 at 21:07:38
Would buying new disks help? Or a different OS in general?

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#13
June 28, 2010 at 22:00:20
As someone mentioned above, if the disks worked when installing in virtual PC then they must be OK.

But a lot of those commands I don't recognize and, unless they're renamed, some are XP commands.

If I were you I think I'd look for a different 7.1 download. I mentioned above about cobbling one together from a 98 installation but I don't recall if long file names are supported when booting straight to 98 dos and I can't check right now.

Cj4334 seems to have some experience with 7.1. Maybe he's familiar with some download sites.

You're not really green until you're soylent green.


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