how do I get backup command for old dos resto

March 2, 2011 at 20:30:08
Specs: Windows98
I have backup diskettes that were made using the old dos backup command which produces filename.001, filename.002, etc. My windows 98 will not let me restore the files. I tried to load MS dos 6.22 on the pc but still no backup command...only msbackup which will not work.

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#1
March 3, 2011 at 01:10:31
Have a look at this article from Microsoft. It refers to Windows 95, but may also be valid for 98. You may need to use the "restore" command rather than the "msbackup" one.

Of course, it's always possible that some other backup program produced these files.


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#2
March 3, 2011 at 20:57:53
Thanks for your help. This pc is quite old and now the CDrom drive will not open, so I can not use the cd that I used years ago to upgrade to 98 second edition.I had downloaded MSDos 6.22 to the hard drive in another directory and tried to install it using the setup.bat, but it did not install the backup or the restore command..only msbackup which does not work because the msbackup command is msbackup.ex_. the version still showed win98. Using the information in the readme file, I typed in makesys command in the stepup directory(where setup put the files) and get fatal error that makesys could not create the new IO.sys file because it could not find the original MS-Dos 6.x version of IO.sys.I only need to restore one set of diskettes so that I can zip the file and take to another pc via network.

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#3
March 3, 2011 at 22:45:00
That msbackup command was a load of crap. All the restore info was on the first disk. If you didn't have that you couldn't restore anything.. MS started using it with dos 6.X. You need the restore command from dos 5. I can email it to you. Send me a private message with your email address.

With 6.22 or win 98 dos you need to add it to SETVER and then load setver in config.sys. Otherwise you'll get an 'incorrect dos version' when running it.

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#4
March 4, 2011 at 06:32:34
Thanks, but I don't know how to send you a private message from this site. And I hesitate to put my email on the public reply.

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#5
March 4, 2011 at 12:23:08
copy /b filename.001+filename.002+filename.003 joinedfilehere.exe

... or whatever the extension maybe(?)

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#6
March 4, 2011 at 13:16:40
You can just click on DAVEINCAPS at the top of one of my posts. Another page will open and you can click 'private message'.

Dos 6.22 had RESTORE.EXE to accomodate older backups made with the BACKUP.EXE command. That will work to extract your disks.

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#7
March 4, 2011 at 14:42:16
thanks, I will try that.

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#8
March 6, 2011 at 13:12:58
I have tried everywhere to find a msdos 6.0 and there are no free ones that I have found and I refuse to pay 30 dollars for a file that may not work and that I only need one time to try to restore a genealogy file. You had better save all your old diskettes..they are gold! I could have probably rekeyed all the information in the time that I have wasted trying to restore this file, but some of it may be lost.
Here is config.sys file..very short because the CD Rom statements are REM..it is broken.

device=c:\windows\himem.sys
devicehigh=c:\windows\setver.exe

after I copied your win6.22 restore file to a new directory olddos, I added first after the devicehigh statement the line
setver c:\windows restore 6.22
when that did not work, I put it after the devicehigh statement.
when I ran it from the command line in the olddos dir, it said that it had successfully updated the version table and when I list it, the restore had version 7.10 and another one with version 6.22


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#9
March 6, 2011 at 17:33:12
I'd have to check to see again how you add a file to setver. It's probably best to put the dos files in windows\command folder and not windows, as that's where the other dos commands are.

I seem to recall there was a newer versioin of restore written by default to setver. However I don't think that version came with 98. But when I setup 98 systems I would add the dos 5 verson of backup and the 6.22 version of restore to setver and never had any problems.

I didn't get around to switching over to the 98 today to check all that but will try again tomorrow.

Did those dos 6.22 images extract OK?

You'd mentioned something about your version of 6.22 being an upgrade. I think there was some contracting problem that resulted in all of the retail version of 6.22 being upgrades. The oem's were full. But supposedly you could use the retail version as full also but may have had to modify the setup procedure. The images I sent were the full version.

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#10
March 6, 2011 at 18:40:55
I sent an email. The read me file said to not put the files in the same directory as the other dos files, but it makes sense that the system would look in the same place for them. The 6.22 stepup makes its own directory and extracts the files there. It allows you to manually extract by typing in the .exe command. I tried to extract the full version to the hard drive by using the .exe command for each of the diskettes, but it asked me for the floppy or aborted. I made the floppies, but the setup program wanted to wipe the c drive clean. The read me file said if problem with io.sys file to transfer the sys file by typing sys a: c: Got message 'cannot obtain exclusive access to drive.' Thanks for your help. I am beginning to think that I just can't get there from here.

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#11
March 6, 2011 at 20:42:43
If the drive previously had 98 on it it may be partitioned as fat32. 6.22 will only install on a fat16 drive. And those partitions can be no larger than 2 gig.

You'd do all that partitioning--removing the old partitions and making new one(s)--with fdisk. I don't remember if the dos setup will do that automatically or if you exit setup and do it on your own.

But yeah, the installation will assume it's the only operating system on the drive so deleting anything else on the drive may be necessary.

On an empty drive you create the partition with FDISK, then you must reboot and FORMAT the drive and then install dos. When done that way you don't have to do any SYS C:

Edit If you haven't already wiped the 98 it's probably best to just keep it rather than try to install 6.22. The backup and restore command will work with 98 dos.

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March 6, 2011 at 22:56:51

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#13
March 14, 2011 at 18:00:25
Thanks for all your help. I finally decided that I could not use the win98 to get what I wanted, so I installed DOS 6.22 which wiped the pc (I was going to donate to charity anyway). It used the msbackup for the restore. I rebuild the catalog and it asked me to do a repair. Everything looked good..even asked which directories and showed files that I wanted to restore, BUT then got the message that the file had been saved with DOS 6.0 or 6.2 and could not be restored. I have packed up the pc, and have decided that probably I could have researched and rekeyed the data quicker than trying to find a fix. If I had the old ROOTS IV software, it might possible have had the right DOS built into it, but I tried for a week with google searches, ebay, etc and could never find the program. Thanks for all the suggestions and the download. At least I know that my pc is clean of my personal data to be given away. Do you need the win 98 upgrade that I have? It was used once, has the cd with key and book still in the original box.

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#14
March 14, 2011 at 23:13:28
There's some roots IV stuff on this commsoft ftp image site

ftp://ftp.sonic.net/pub/users/commsoft/genealogy

However, I don't think the installation program is there. Check the 00index.txt file.

Otherwise, I couldn't find a download site either.

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#15
March 17, 2011 at 18:40:07
Thanks, but I gave away the old computer and the related software, ordered a new version of genealogy software for my xp machine and am moving forward. I spent entirely too much time and effort to basically accomplish nothing toward my end goal, other than I know that I gave it my best effort. Thanks again for your willingness to share your downloads with me and for the good tips that you gave. I really did appreciate it. Take care.

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#16
March 17, 2011 at 19:57:01
You're welcome. I hope your new setup works out.

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