Solved Dos Games are not working from HDD after copy from burned CD

December 3, 2015 at 05:31:44
Specs: DOS 6.22
Hello,

I'm quite new here and I just hope that maybe someone can help with my problem. Recently I've built old DOS machine which suppose to run all of my old games which I used to have 20 years ago. My machine is Intel 486 DX4 100 Mhz, 64 Mb, S3 Virge 4Mb + Voodoo 4Mb + SoundBlaster 16 + Two external disk's (500 MB and 4,5 Gb divided per two partition)+ MS-DOS 6.22. The thing is that after burning the games on CD and copying them on HDD threw Norton Commander, the game doesn't work (in most cases doesn't require/allow installation). I thought that this is maybe due to my configuration of config.sys/autoexec.bat but I've already optimize it so currently I have 607 Kb of Conventional Memory and rest in upper so shouldn't receive any problem from this side... But the weirdest thing is that they are working straight from CD but not after I copy them on HDD, some of them are giving some errors (like IO error, cannot find specific file (which btw is in the folder...), some are getting stuck and hold the system, some are just going back to NC after screen turn black for one second like it is trying to open a game. I don't have this problem when I'm using CD versions of Games Like Warcraft 2. How to get them work from HDD ??? The examples which I tried are "Fury of Furries, Winter Chalange, PaperBoy, Legend of Kyrandia".... Thank You for any help it this matter and sorry for my English.


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December 12, 2015 at 17:56:01
Just out of curiosity, have you changed the attributes of the folders/files after you copied them from CD? Usually, files from CD's will retain "read-only" attributes when copied to a hard drive. If you're doing this in DOS:

http://www.computerhope.com/attribh...

http://web.csulb.edu/~murdock/attri...

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."



#1
December 4, 2015 at 00:14:50
Using norton commander to copy to the hard drive seems an unnecessary step but I don't know that it would cause any problems. You also say some freeze and go back to NC (norton commander?). If it was my machine I'd get rid of norton commander but as I said I can't say for sure that's what is causing the problem.

Lots of old games run from batch files or configuration files created when they're installed. If those files are pointing to a particular location--drive or directory--that existed in their previous incarnation but not after being copied to a different drive then maybe that's the reason. So if you copied them to one of the external drives they would no longer be on the C: drive and any attempt by the game to find a file on the C: drive would return a missing file error.

Edit Another thing to try would be to add the game's location to the PATH statement in autoexec.bat.

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#2
December 4, 2015 at 01:55:24
i totally agree with dave, though more information would be appreciated from u, langdzior. like, is it a real machine or a virtual machine? what version of DOS are u using? nd the most important, why are u using DOS in 21st century? if u wanna play the old games, get dosbox. if its a real machine, i wanna know it soon.

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December 4, 2015 at 01:57:37
Thank You for Your reply. Unfortunately I've already tried to put them on the C: drive and most of those games are from abandonware sites so should playable without such an errors. But anyway strange is that I can rename main folder of the game burn it on CD and than it will work straight from CD drive, but not after moving on HDD.....Both C: and D: are Fat-16 so the one which is suitable for DOS 6.22.

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#4
December 4, 2015 at 02:04:56
Hi Jaysarma987, I know DosBox and I was/am using it still but my goal was to build fully working PC from early 90's which I own back in the day. Lets say I have affection to this kind of things, and I want to play all those games as they meant to be on the old hardware/software :). Tell me which info You need, I'm at work right now but later on I can past my config.sys and autoexec.bat maybe somebody will find wrong/missing command... Like I wrote is DOS 6.22

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#5
December 4, 2015 at 02:27:37
Do you do anything different when running the games from the hard drive vs a cd? Other than what I mentioned above, I can't thing of any reason why they'd run differently on the same machine. But it's really late; maybe something will pop up in my head tomorrow.

Oh, I edited in a comment about adding their location to PATH in autoexec.bat. I don't know if you saw that.


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#6
December 4, 2015 at 02:40:15
I will try to add those locations in autoexec and also remove NC to not run automatically after computer start up and I'll post the result. Sure, I'll appreciate all suggestions. BTW in my place is almost 12 am :)

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#7
December 4, 2015 at 05:14:26
real old machine u say? it should be running windows98SE! will work cooler than any other os possibly might. then its easier for u to locate games and will be able to do small office works too :) just a side advice, i m a programmer nd i would hv exactly done that

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#8
December 12, 2015 at 03:57:43
Hi Langdzior,

the problem with dos programs (and later ones) is that often they are not forward compatible as far as hardware used..e.g.

a) it could be they cannot handle the amount of memory you have and/or size (and formatting) of hdd's.
b) PC speed may be too fast.
c) dos drivers are required for any hw.

Often, they need be properly installed, setting parameters for items such as monitor, sound, printer etc.

Am unsure how much memory you have (64mb?)
Generally these pc,s had 640kb of memory, which the user might increase to 1000kb

I would start be removing any fancy graphics cards.
(You appear to have 2, one being 3d.)
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As a matter of interest, where are you based? I am in Hammersmith, West London.

Good Luck - Keep us posted.

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December 12, 2015 at 17:56:01
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Just out of curiosity, have you changed the attributes of the folders/files after you copied them from CD? Usually, files from CD's will retain "read-only" attributes when copied to a hard drive. If you're doing this in DOS:

http://www.computerhope.com/attribh...

http://web.csulb.edu/~murdock/attri...

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."


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#10
December 13, 2015 at 15:45:09
Hi guys,

Like I already wrote the machine is build with the orginal parts from end of 80's beginning of 90's and that was the goal (not using dosbox/windows etc). I struggled quite a bit with setting the correct autoexec.bat/config.sys configuration, but in the end I've managed to put almost all in upper memory so I he 616 kb of conventional free :) its more than enough to run all dos programs. So point a) is not the reason. PC is 4x86 DX4 (100 mhz) so it just right for that kind of games, for sure is not too fast. All the drivers which are needed are installed, mouse/cd/soundblaster/and 3dfx if its needed for particular game and like i sad they are not eating any of conventional memory.
Anyway I found that after installation of the same game from the iso cd or official compilation iso, games are working correctly so I've allready managed to run almost all titles which I had back in the day, Although I still have problems for example with Prehistorik 2, the game which can be found on net is not working (no sound/getting stucked after pushing "esc", its cracked and working only coorecty threw dosbox. So still have some titles to dig for :) and would really appreciate a link to orginal floppy image.

T-R-A, thank You for this hint, this I think could be actually helpfull. Couse its often giving reply that it cannot save my changes in setup.exe of a game.... like it would be read only but its allreay on HDD. I'll check the attributes and will give You feedback.


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#11
December 13, 2015 at 18:52:52
Usually you can use memmaker to configure config.sys and autoexec.bat for maximum conventional memory. Some games will want to modify them for larger FILES, for example. Most old games used a Sound Blaster option for sound. They were often hard to set up manually because you had to specify port addresses. If sound isn't working for some games you may need to change the sound card options in the game's setup.

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#12
December 15, 2015 at 12:26:41
T-R-A that was the reason !!!! Finally I can set all the games to work !!! Thanks a lot, I was starting to doubt for some good clue :) once again thank You, you made my day !

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#13
December 15, 2015 at 20:21:38
It was just the attributes? I never would have figured that since they were running ok from a read-only cd.

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#14
December 16, 2015 at 05:27:56
Glad you got it working. I remember having similar difficulties when moving stuff from optical backups back to a hard drive years ago. Glad I could help.

"Channeling the spirit of jboy..."


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