Solved HDMI switch issues with Sony devices

September 15, 2016 at 02:45:20
Specs: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit, Intel Core i3 @ 3.10GHz | 8GB DDR3 1333MHz
Hello!

I have a five-port automatic HDMI switch that I ordered from a Chinese seller on eBay several years ago, and it worked really well for some time. However, I started having issues with my PS3 while connected to the switch several months ago, while my new PS4 won't work with it at all. The PS3 will display video, but the picture randomly garbles and the audio cuts extremely often. The PS4 doesn't work at all; it causes the box to flash between all the input lights and won't display anything.

My Wii U, Xbox 360, and PC all work flawlessly with the switch, and I've tried different cables between both the PS3/4 and the switch, as well as the switch and my TV. From what I can tell by searching around, it seems to be caused by the PS3/4's HDCP requirements not being met by the switch, so I doubt there is a solution for this.

Would anybody happen to have any tips on getting the PS3 and PS4 to play nicely with a switch, or failing that, know of an HDMI switch that will work for the PS3 and PS4? (I just don't want to spend a fortune on one, hence why I ordered this Chinese one in the first place.)

Listed below is the equipment in use:

TV: Samsung UN32EH4000 32" LED
Switch: "5T(0/O)1 SWITCH" 5-port HDMI switch

Thank you in advance!

MSI B75MA-P45 Motherboard
Intel Core i3-2100 3.10GHz
8GB DDR3 1333MHz RAM
SAPPHIRE AMD Radeon HD 5770 Vapor-X
Samsung 840 EVO 120GB SSD (Windows 7 Ultimate)
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#1
September 15, 2016 at 06:44:55
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HDCP is a form of DRM (Digital Rights Management) which is basically a handshake technology to prevent piracy. What is does is prompts a device (the PlayStation) to send a message to an output device (the television) asking "am I good to go?". If the output device doesn't respond or gives the wrong response the PlayStation refuses to play. A device in between will most certainly cause this issue because as far as they're concerned it could be some kind of capture or decryption hardware.

Sony are infamous for using DRM technology to protect their brand and all the big players do it. So unfortunately if you do find an HDMI switch that will do the trick for now there is a possibility it might become useless with a software upgrade either to the tv or consoles.

Interestingly though I have a Yamaha amp that I run all my equipment through via HDMI to my Samsung tv and have never had a problem getting devices to communicate with each other. None of them are Sony branded though. I have a Panasonic HDD recorder, Samsung Bluray, Netgear NeoTV and an Xbox 360.

Edit: Here's an interesting article on DRM and HDMI HDCP technology from the people at howtogeek :
http://www.howtogeek.com/208917/htg...

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#2
September 15, 2016 at 07:32:22
Thanks for the detailed response, btk1w1,

That makes sense. I've heard of Sony's draconian DRM policies, and it's definitely a bit annoying. (I remember an old update for the PS3 halted the ability to play Blu-ray movies over the analog connection.) I can only assume my PS3 received an update that addressed HDCP several months ago, as it seemed to work flawlessly with my current switch before that. That would also explain why the PS4 doesn't work at all.

With that in mind, I suppose my only choice at this point is to configure my connected consoles and PC to use the switch, and physically swap the HDMI cables for my PS3 and PS4 around as needed in the free HDMI port. (My TV only has two HDMI ports.) I'd dedicate one of my auxiliary monitors for use with one of the PlayStation consoles, but again I'd run into an HDCP issue due to their age and the need for an adapter.

I'll work around it for the time being until a viable solution presents itself. Thanks again!

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Intel Core i3-2100 3.10GHz
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#3
September 15, 2016 at 07:55:50
In the howtogeek article they mention that they use a powered "ViewHD" HDMI splitter to achieve what you need. The 2 port one on Amazon is $20 odd but I couldn't say how much a 4 port one might be.

It might be worth investigating.

The article points towards licensing being the hurdle to overcome so if ViewHD have the license to make their product work with HDCP there's no reason why it shouldn't continue working.

Edit: they specifically mention the PS3 and PS4 and the difficulty with legacy devices

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#4
September 15, 2016 at 08:15:37
I actually just finished reading through that article. They do an excellent job of explaining just how HDCP works and the problems it presents.

I might investigate HDMI switches a bit more and try to find a more viable replacement for my current one. I did have one idea, though;

If I found a cheap, but HDCP-compliant 3 or 4 port switch (like the ViewHD one) and connected both my PS3 and PS4 directly to it, then used the third input to connect to the switch I already have (and, in turn, my other consoles), wouldn't that work as a sort of extended switch? My only concern here would be possible conflicts with the auto-switching features of most switches, including my cheap one.

Just a thought.

MSI B75MA-P45 Motherboard
Intel Core i3-2100 3.10GHz
8GB DDR3 1333MHz RAM
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB
Samsung 840 EVO 120GB SSD (Windows 7 Ultimate)
Toshiba 2TB HDD

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#5
September 15, 2016 at 08:24:09
Yes, I like your thinking.

So the devices that are complaining won't need to pass through that switch but you can use it for other devices? Sounds solid.

It sounds good in theory but honestly I can't positively say it will work. Technology has a way of making you say "well, I didn't expect that?!" If you get my drift.

Creating a daisy chain in my experience has failed more than its succeeded :-/ (that was experimenting with USB though)

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#6
September 15, 2016 at 09:00:18
USB daisy chains are incredibly finicky, from my experience.

I suppose all I can do at this point is try my idea and just hope it works. The worst case scenario is that I have to invest in a branded, HDCP-compatible HDMI switch to remedy the situation.

I'm going in with good hopes, however, as I already have an incredibly convoluted composite daisy-chain setup connected to this TV involving over six different analog switches for a variety of older video game consoles.

Let's just hope HDMI plays as nicely as composite did. ;)

MSI B75MA-P45 Motherboard
Intel Core i3-2100 3.10GHz
8GB DDR3 1333MHz RAM
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB
Samsung 840 EVO 120GB SSD (Windows 7 Ultimate)
Toshiba 2TB HDD


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#7
September 15, 2016 at 14:43:09
Keep us posted Comguy, I'm interested to see how your experiment goes.

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