which processor?

Intel core 2 / Choice between:
June 7, 2010 at 08:03:49
Specs: Windows 7, E2160 OC:2.38 / 4Gb RAM
Home built, Gigabyte G41M-ES2H, Pentium 2160 OC to 2.38, 4Gb 800mhz Dual Channel, WD 500Gb Black, XFX GeForce 9600GT 512Mb GDDR3, 500watt, 2-120mm fans, CoolMaster case.
I probably will not push the Pentium much beyond the 2.4 OC, but I have been looking at upgrading the processor (the E2160 was free and I basically built around it with the thought to upgrading it later). My question is which of the following is the better choice?
1) Pentium Dual-Core E6600 Processor - 3.06GHz, Socket 775, 2MB Cache, 1066MHz FSB
2) Core 2 Duo E7500 Processor BX80571E7500 - 2.93GHz, 3MB Cache, 1066MHz FSB
3) Core 2 Duo E8200 Processor BX80570E8200 - 2.66GHz, 6MB Cache, 1333MHz FSB
The difference between the E6600 and the E7500 is pretty clear being nearly equal except a larger cache (and similar price), but between the E7500 and the E8200, one has the larger cache and the faster FSB, but the other has the faster 'speed'. I guess the larger cache and the faster buss speed is definitely an advantage, and it can always be OC'ed, but is it worth the extra $30.00?

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#1
June 7, 2010 at 09:40:37
is this a gaming system? If yes then e8200 is better, e7500 is second choice. For normal gaming the system is fine. Have u thought to upgrade v-card?

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#2
June 7, 2010 at 12:38:57
The video card is enough for my current needs since I really do not do any serious gaming. Space invaders and Break out is about the deepest I go into gaming. So you agree that cache size and buss speed more than outweigh the lower Mhz?

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#3
June 7, 2010 at 16:36:44
I would choose the E8200-you can overclock it and keep it in sync with the RAM you are using. You could also spend a little more and get the E8400, but that might be too much of a price difference compared to the E6600.

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#4
June 7, 2010 at 18:11:37
Why get a new CPU at all? Especially for that motherboard. You do realize that the PCIe x16 slot only runs at x4, right?

http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/Product...

I know the board can handle 1333MHz FSB but is it capable of 1600MHz FSB? The E2160 will easily do 3.0GHz without breaking a sweat.

If your board can handle 1600MHz FSB, set the CPU at 7.5 x 400MHz, change the system memory multiplier to run the RAM in sync at 400MHz (800MHz DDR), lock the PCIe at 100MHz, disable CIE & EIST.

If it's only capable of 1333MHz, set the CPU at 9 x 333MHz, change the system memory multiplier to run the RAM in sync at 333MHz (667MHz DDR), lock the PCIe at 100MHz, disable CIE & EIST.

Each of the above will run the CPU at 3.0GHz. The 1st one is better because of the faster FSB, plus it make full use of your RAM.


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#5
June 7, 2010 at 20:47:15
Thanks all for your opinions. Thanks Jam for the specific numbers to try (I'm going to save them). I think I am going to go with the E8200 (I can always swap it back in if I decide to do another build 'just-for-me' with a GA-EP45....). Yeah, I found out about the 4x speed on the graphics (just a little too late), but I am rarely able to detect it with the 9600GT on the games that I do play. Do you have suggestions on the E8200 settings? I am not interested in trying to 'Max' it out, just looking for a fast stable system.

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#6
June 7, 2010 at 21:05:42
"Do you have suggestions on the E8200 settings?"

No, because I don't recommend "wasting" your money on another CPU. The 775 is rapidly becoming an outdated platform, besides, you already have a CPU that will do well over 3.0GHz.

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#7
June 7, 2010 at 21:32:12
Thank you for your reply, So you don't think that the larger cache will be an advantage for me?

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#8
June 7, 2010 at 23:48:49
For heavy gaming the larger cache is good, that why i ask about upgrading v-card. Since u mention no serious gaming the the system is fine.

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#9
June 8, 2010 at 06:14:12
"So you don't think that the larger cache will be an advantage for me?"

Tom's Hardware tested 3 Intel CPUs against each other...all were clocked exactly the same, the only differnce was the L2 cache size. They tested 1MB vs 2MB vs 4MB. You tell me if the results were significant enough to warrant spending $100 or more for a new CPU:

Does Cache Size Really Boost Performance?


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#10
June 8, 2010 at 08:13:01
Lets read the conclusion...


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...


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#11
June 8, 2010 at 08:48:56
"Lets read the conclusion..."

I'm not saying L2 cache doesn't make a difference, but is that difference significant enough to warrant spending over $100 to upgrade the CPU on an aging platform with a less than ideal motherboard, especially when he already has a CPU that's capable of 3.0-3.2GHz?


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#12
June 8, 2010 at 12:37:17
If you are looking to overclock, than the 800Mhz FSB Intel Core2's are where it's at. My current e2180 is oced to 2.66ghz and is still running strong. So for example, the E4600 is a 2.4ghz chip running on a 800mhz FSB which can easily be clocked to 3.2ghz by changing the FSB to 1067. If you have a chipset that can handle higher FSB settings than 1067, than The E6xxx E7xxx, and e8xxx would be a better choice.

And I see the "keep your ram in sync" myth is still going around. Truth be told, if you want fast ram access and bandwidth, get the fastest RAM your motherboard can handle without running the RAM speed higher than your chipsets specs.

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#13
June 8, 2010 at 13:24:50
Outlander, we've had this discussion before. Last time, I backed up my claim with numerous links that supported up my side. You provided nothing but your opinions. If you'd like to try to convince me otherwise, I'm open to discussion. Just remember to keep it strictly to Intel CPUs P1 thru P3, the Core 2 & AMD CPUs K6 thru Athlon XP. The "RAM in sync" recommendation does NOT apply to the P4, it derivatives, the Core i3/i5/i7, or AMD A64 & beyond. Have at it..........

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#14
June 8, 2010 at 20:42:25
Thanks all for the advice. This computer is the general 'home' computer that I built to replace the 8 year old Gateway that was finally going back in November. I had been planning to build a computer for ME when I found myself needing a quick built reasonably priced rig. I picked this board because I thought for this purpose I could get away without a separate video card (NOT!), so I decided that the 9600GT would be a good compromise (YES!). The E2160 processor cost me nothing basically since someone threw it in with the purchase of other hardware a while ago. With the processor at just about 2.4 the system runs well for the purpose. I still want to build another system for myself (the kids each have their own, but I still often have to wait) so another processor will not go to waste. If I were to put in an E8200 for a while, I can always pull it and put it in an EP45 MB (capable of 1600FSB and possibly more) when I am ready (an i5 is still way too much, and a P55 board is also a bit higher). ------- While I am at it, does it make any sense to go with the DDR3 version (EP45T...) of these boards, or will the DDR2 version with probably 800Mhz make the most 'bang-for-the-buck'? [again, for the future build]
Again, thanks all (as always).

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#15
June 10, 2010 at 07:44:57
A second look: I looked more into P55 motherboards and I see now that the advantages include SATA 6.0Gb, USB3, DDR3, all faster interfaces for the future as well as faster FSB and RAM support. All for maybe $30.00 more, but the i5 is still a bigger jump up in the price!
IF a good deal on an E8200 was around, does it pay to go with a MB with DDR3, or is there little advantage on this platform to spend for the more expensive memory? (talking about another system)

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#16
June 10, 2010 at 09:58:07
If core i5 is too much what about core i3 530 it cost $115 (newegg.com) and it's faster than e8200. There's no fsb, the new intel cpu's i3,i5,i7 use reference clock. It's useless to buy socket 775 board with ddr3 ram support buy the one with ddr2.

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#17
June 10, 2010 at 20:49:08
Thank you, that's about what I thought (DDR3).
What's the deal with the onboard video processor (i3 and some i5's)? Is it about what would be integrated into MB's? Or is it about what you might purchase as a distinct video card? (equal to what?) Is it enough for mild gaming? (the video on the: Gigabyte G41M-ES2H wasn't, even though it sounded like it should be)

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#18
June 11, 2010 at 00:03:50
Gma hd, igp found in i3 cpu isn't good for gaming (good for old games and other application) hd 4290 (amd igp) is faster than gma hd. And there's a little difference btn x4500hd & gma hd. Adding v-card would help alot.

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#19
June 11, 2010 at 07:02:53
...found in i3 cpu isn't good for gaming...
So it would actually be better with a Core2 Duo and a video card? Or if money is less of an issue, the i5 and video card.

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#20
June 11, 2010 at 08:14:28
Core i3 is good gaming cpu, it's faster than core 2 duo e8500. core i3 is based on core architecture with several enhancments to increase perfomance. Core i5 is better cpu than c2d,c2q,i3. C2d system with v-card will outperform core i3 (without v-card) only in gaming. if u add v-card (gaming) in i3 system then i3 will win. i5 with v-card will outerperform both systems.

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#21
June 11, 2010 at 09:57:31
Thank you for the details.

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June 11, 2010 at 10:20:58
Your are welcome.

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June 15, 2010 at 21:10:27
Just want to throw some caution to the wind guys. This is a help topic not a debate topic. If you have an issue with another persons opinions or views on something, than take that issue and debate elsewhere and don't clutter up a help topic with disagreements.

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#24
June 16, 2010 at 18:27:29
In THIS case, I welcomed all opinions. This is because this question was all about a comparative issue and opinions do matter, and because I am no stranger to this site (I also help to give something back, where I can). Though in many cases, different opinions can get in the way.

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June 16, 2010 at 21:59:30
opinions are fine, just no debating with other posters on these help topics.

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