my intel processor is working at lower speed

July 24, 2011 at 04:20:16
Specs: xp sp2, 933/256
i have a pentium 3, 933mhz mmx and RAM 256mb with speed of 133mhz working properly before, but now working at 700mhz any attempt to increase it to speed of 933mhz, 133/100 its original speed won't work, it will make the system to hang while booting pls. assist me the system is too slow now with speed of 700mhz, 100/100, pls i want to increase back to its original speed of 933mhz, 133/100 or 133/133 and that it will not hang while booting. OS is XP with service pack 2. thanks

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#1
July 24, 2011 at 06:34:48
Don't double post, it's against forum policy. All you had to do was edit the original:

- the multiplier on your CPU is locked at 7x. Changing the setting will have no effect other than to possibly make the system unbootable.
- the proper setting for the FSB/DRAM is 133/133. Anything else is less than optimal & will hurt overall system performance. But you need PC133 RAM to be able to run 133/133. If you have PC100, you have no choice but to run 133/100.
- 256MB RAM isn't enough memory for WinXP & will give very poor performance. You should have at least 512MB, but 1GB or more would be better.
- SP3 was released over 3 yrs ago, why haven't you upgraded yet?


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#2
July 24, 2011 at 13:26:47
thank you very much. i am new in forum i wont do that again, i will do exactly as you said and i will feed you back later. thanks a lot sir.


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#3
July 28, 2011 at 02:54:17
many thanks for your support. pls i did as you said, i bought 512RAM + 128 = 640 MB of RAM both are P133, and i change the settings as follows; CPU= 933mhz, FSB/DRAM = 133/133mhz, multiplier = x7, but the system is hanging while booting and before it work well with the above settings and very fast speed of 133/133mhz
. pls kindly assist me i dont know what to do

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#4
July 28, 2011 at 19:51:29
CPU is/should be also running at the frequency of 133MHz with a multiplier of 7 for a final speed of 933MHz.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#5
July 28, 2011 at 23:55:44
many thanks for the answer. but, is still hang during booting when i put it in that speed 133/133 FSB/DRAM 933mhz, if i reduce it to 100/100 FSB/DRAM 700mhz it work but at very low speed. but it has not power for almost 2 years, can this responsible for causing processor to come down from 933mhz to 700mhz for not ON or POWER for 18 months. pls assist me. thanks.

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#6
July 29, 2011 at 18:19:06
My experience with overclocking and therefore clock setting began with P4's, but the principles are the same. You have not given a lot of details so much has to be assumed. The P3 was not typically on systems with XP but rather probably this system started with Windows 95 or 98 which are much leaner operating systems which probably would run faster on this hardware. Also most overclocking problems where the system will not post requires either backing off on the clock speed OR raising the CPU voltage by a small amount, usually a tenth of a volt or a fraction above that. Assuming that this is what is normal for the CPU/board, I would try this if you have the settings to accomplish this, or consider replacing the power supply with the reasoning that the voltage output may NOW be below specs (you can check this in your BIOS or with a digital volt meter). This is the avenue I think you need to investigate further. Post back and let us know.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#7
August 2, 2011 at 11:13:46
pardon me for too late to reply. the problem is not solve yet. the processor is pentium3 933mhz, i have put ram of 640mb with speed of p133 both ram, and it suppose to work at speed of 933mhz, but is running only at 700mhz any attempt to increase the settings to 133/133 the pc will hang during booting and it worked well with this setting before i mean speed of 133/133fsb. but now it doesnt unless i set it to 100/100fsb = 700mhz and this is very low speed to its capacity. this is desktop pc. thanks for help me out in advance.

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#8
August 2, 2011 at 14:57:44
As I said before (please read carefully):
Also most overclocking problems where the system will not post requires either backing off on the clock speed OR raising the CPU voltage by a small amount, usually a tenth of a volt or a fraction above that. Assuming that this is what is normal for the CPU/board, I would try this if you have the settings to accomplish this, or consider replacing the power supply with the reasoning that the voltage output may NOW be below specs (you can check this in your BIOS or with a digital volt meter). This is the avenue I think you need to investigate further. Post back and let us know.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#9
August 3, 2011 at 09:47:17
thank you for your great suggestion. but in BIOS settings it only display the voltage, it dont allow me to adjust the voltage, i dont know maybe you can tell me how to change it because my pc bios is lock it can only display, pls assist me so that i can adjust the voltage from bios setting. the motherboard is m757t pcchips, and bios display that is from American trend bios. Thank you.

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#10
August 3, 2011 at 09:51:22
sorry! i mistakinly resend it, pls pardon me.

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#11
August 3, 2011 at 21:35:03
Your manual:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...
How about we start clean. Unplug the power and reset your CMOS using your CMOS jumper, return to normal and plug in again. Then boot to BIOS set up and 'Reset Optimum Settings' (one step better than default settings). Then see if you problem is fixed. If needed reenter BIOS set up and make adjustments as needed. If this clean start does not help then record and post back actual reported voltages on your various rails (ie: your 12V rail should be a few points over 12Volts, etc.) to see if your problem traces back to your power supply as I mentioned above.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#12
August 6, 2011 at 09:31:03
Hsing Tech made the mboard and sold it under it's own retail brand name PCChips, and also sold it wholesale to other vendors, who sold it under their own retail brand name and model number, e.g. most Amptron models and many ECS models were actually Hsing Tech mboards. If it was made by Hsing Tech, the model number is usually NOT printed directly onto the surface of the mboard in obvious larger characters.

Hsing Tech has a reputation for using the absolute cheapest components they could obtain on their mboards - e.g. the electrolytic capacitors and the bios chip - and that has caused problems with their mboards..

Electrolytic capacitors that were cheaper are more likely to have been improperly made - the formula for the fluid inside them was incorrect.

Your mboard is more likely to have failing electrolytic capacitors on it than most other mboard brands.

Open up your case and examine the mboard to see if you have bad capacitors, and/or other findable signs of mboard damage .

What to look for, mboard symptoms, example pictures:
http://www.badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=5
Home page that site
- what the problem is caused by
- he says there are STILL bad capacitors on more recent mboards.
http://www.badcaps.net/

Pictures of blown capacitors, other components, power supplies, Athlon cpu's, etc.:
http://www.halfdone.com/Personal/Jo...
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See the manual Fingers pointed to.

NOTE that if you don't have Microsoft Word or another program installed that can read newer Word *.doc files, the *.doc manual may not display properly in Wordpad.
If it does not display properly, there is a free Word viewer available for you to download and install in the Microsoft Office support on the Microsoft web site.

In the mboard's bios....

Hardware Monitor page

The current (present) readings for +12v, +3.3v, and +5v should be within 10% or less of the nominal value.
If any of them is outside of that range, replace the power supply.
If any of them is higher than that range, your mboard and any cards you have in slots will be damaged, sooner or later.
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Are you SURE the CPU ran at 933mhz previously ?

There are P3 cpus that run at 900mhz rather than 933mhz.
e.g. 100mhz X9, rather than 133mhz X7.

Is it a Slot 1 cpu, or a Socket 370 cpu in the Socket 370 CPU socket, or a Socket 370 cpu in a Socket 370 CPU socket on an adapter card in the Slot 1 socket ?

If you not sure whether it ran at 900mhz or 933mhz....
Download this, install it , use it...
Intel® Processor Identification Utility
http://www.intel.com/support/proces... processor

Lists of possible PIII cpus...
Intel® Pentium® III Processor (Desktop)
http://ark.intel.com/products/famil...
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#13
August 11, 2011 at 10:33:29
thank you very much for the supports so far. i did as you said, i clear the cmos by adjust the jumper fof a while, when i restart it took me to 466mhz fsb, i adjust it in bios settings to its original speed 933mhz it hang again and i am very sure it work well with speed of 933mhz fsb before and i reduce it to 700mhz it boot again but the speed is too slow sir. pls help me, i check hardware monitor as you request and it list as follows; vcore = 1.744v, +1.800v = 1.824v, vcc3 = 3.264v, vcc = 4.972v, +12v = 12.416v, sb3v = 3.232v, sb5v = 4.919v. that is all what display on the screen. i open the case to check for capacitor i notice that very close to AT keyboard socket there are 4 to 5 capacitor, one have something like dry gum on one side of it and topmost of it suppose to be silver white but small part of it have turn brownish also i notice on the remaining 4 they have little brownish colour also can this responsible for the failure to work at its original capacity. pls. help no money to buy another one. thanks

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#14
August 11, 2011 at 13:39:31
Are you SURE the CPU ran at 933mhz previously ?

If you not sure whether it ran at 900mhz or 933mhz....
Download this, install it , use it...
Intel® Processor Identification Utility
http://www.intel.com/support/proces...

The voltages you quoted for ~+3.3v, ~+5.0v and ~+12.0 v are within 10% or less, , so your power supply is probably okay. .

"i open the case to check for capacitor i notice that very close to AT keyboard socket there are 4 to 5 capacitor, one have something like dry gum on one side of it and topmost of it suppose to be silver white but small part of it have turn brownish also i notice on the remaining 4 they have little brownish colour also can this responsible for the failure to work at its original capacity."

YES, if they have actually failed.
It's hard to predict what effects will be when they have failed.

I have four ATX family mboards, at least two of which are probably newer than yours, the oldest was made in Aug 1999, that have bad capacitors. Either they don't fully boot, or they don't boot at all.
All of them misbehaved for a while before that.

See the first part of response 12 - look at the pictures of the failed capacitors.
If the top of the capacitors you think might be failing are NOT flat, they are failing or have failed.

If liquid has leaked out of them it has probably dried up to produce deposits - the deposits can be many colors but they're often yellowish or brownish
The deposits can be on top of the capacitor, or at the base of it, or the liquid may have run to another place before it dried and there's a streak of deposits on the surface of the mboard.

If the paint on the outside of the capacitor looks like it's burnt from being overheated, that capacitor has probably failed Burnt paint won't wash off when you wipe it with a little water on a tissue - dust deposits come off easily when you do that.

Don't confuse dust deposits for dried deposits from a capacitor that has leaked - dust deposits come off easily - the deposits from a capacitor that has leaked usually does not. The deposits may be crystalline like sugar or salt only finer.
They're probably alkaline, bitter on your tongue if you were to taste it.


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#15
August 12, 2011 at 00:18:12
thanks for your response. i am 100% sure the processor is intel 933mhz and it worked well with that speed previously, i removed the processor from the socket it written on the processor ''INTEL PENTIUM III 933'' , now i am suspecting the capacitor if possible to cause it to work at 700mhz, then it maybe capacitor. what can i do now no money to buy new one. many thanks.

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#16
August 12, 2011 at 08:24:03
You didn't need to remove the cpu to prove it runs at 933mhz.
You could have used the Intel program I've pointed to, twice, to determine that.

You must re-install the cpu and the heat sink properly.
The heat sink must sit flat on top of the cpu - if the cpu is a socket 370 cpu on a horizontal socket on the mboard, it's difficult or impossible to tell whether it is when the mboard is still installed in the case,
If there was a thermal pad (definite edges) or thermal compound between the heat sink and the cpu, you should scrape it off of both the cpu and the heat sink and replace it with new thermal compound or thermal grease. (replacement thermal pads are usually hard to find). Thermal grease - pure silicon grease with no additives - translucent, whitish, nearly clear when in a very thing layer, can be re-used if it's clean.
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You could do nothing and just run it at 700mhz, but if it actually does have failing capacitors, eventually the mboard will probably not fully boot or not boot at all.

"no money to buy new one. "

That's almost always a matter of priorities Most people who don't have a lot of money manage to come up with it for what is important to them.
I don't have much money either.

You mboard is probably old enough that most people have discarded a system with a mboard that old.
If you search local web sites, there may be someone who wants to give away a mboard or a whole computer that is compatible with your cpu, or sell it very cheap
You may be able to buy a used mboard on the web that is compatible with your cpu and ram, but you can probably buy a much newer used working computer for similar money.
If you DO buy a used mboard on the web that is compatible with your cpu and ram, DO NOT buy the same mboard model - if it doesn't already have failing capacitors it will probably develop them eventually - and make sure the vendor says the mboard has been tested and it works fine.


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#17
August 21, 2011 at 12:02:05
many thanks to everybody for your support on my p3. i have decided to get p4, i got one mobo it supports HT, and processor of up to 3.4ghz also it supports fsb 800, 533, 400mhz but the problem is that it doesnt supports dual channel ram, but it has capacity of up to 4gig ram. which processor do you think is the best, I want to put pc3200 of 2gig ram, what is highest pentium processor with HT tech. that i can put on single channel of dimm ddr ram board.
MOBO specifications;
asus- P4SD-LA (oxford)
it supports HT tech.
it supports- northwood and prescot
socket 478
it supports ddr up to pc3200 and 2gb ram
single channel ram only
the pc brand maker is HP.
please assist me to choose the right pentium processor HT tech. of higher speed because the mobo supports up to 3.4ghz processor, but i am thinking of maximum of 3.2ghz, can i see anyone of that size that is compactible with single channel ddr ram without bottleneck. that is my story thanks.

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#18
August 21, 2011 at 15:02:21
If you were getting a new board I would have recommended at least socket 775 with a Core 2 Duo, at least you would be in the 21st century of computing.
Look at specs for P4 3.2GHz:
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Penti...
If you went with a more modern board that is core 2 capable you could get this moderate dual core CPU:
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_...
and have 2 true cores
Or go one better and get a truly modern set up with an Intel i5-2500K, socket 1155 X68 board and really fly.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#19
August 21, 2011 at 16:09:35
If you want to try using the same XP installation with the new mboard
See response 1
http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...

starting at:
As far as the Windows installation on the hard drive of the old machine is concerned,

and the other info in that.
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Running ram in dual channel mode is just another one of those things that is much better in theory than it tuns out to be in real life. You only benefit from it if you have programs that benefit from it's higher max data transfer rate, and most of those programs other than possibly recent games are not programs people have installed on their computers.

It's not the ram itself that determines whether identical pairs of modules of it can be run in dual channel mode, it's the capability of the main chipset's memory controller, or on newer mboards, the capability of the cpu's built in memory controller.
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The number one bottleneck of modern computers is the max data transfer speed of the hard drive that you have the Windows partition installed on.
No matter which ram modules or cpu you install, your mboard will perform MUCH better than your previous one did.
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Your mboard is an OEM only model. It's made by Asus only for brand name system builders - there is no support for it on the Asus web sites.

When you need to determine which ram you can use with it that is compatible with the mboard for sure, you use the HP make and model number to look up which ram is listed for it on ram manufacturer's or ram distributor's web sites.
You are better off not looking on the Kingston web site for that because they usually only list brand name system specific part numbers for brand name system models, and those part numbers are usually not available locally.

E.g. Go the the Crucial web site instead
http://www.crucial.com

Once you determine which ram module module part numbers are listed for your model / mboard, you can buy them from anywhere you like that has the same part numbers, and you can often buy those locally.
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The 4gb virtual memory address limit for 32 bit operating systems.
An example of 3gb working better than 4gb in a 32 bit operating system.

See Response 6:
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...
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jam's explanation refers to links on other sites:
http://www.computing.net/howtos/sho...
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Memory Limits for Windows Releases
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...
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You probably don't need 4gb.

Memory Assessor
How much memory do you really need?
http://www.kingston.com/tools/asses...
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As far as the cpus you can use with the mboard, HP has limited info about that in comparison to what is listed for retail mboard models.

HP often uses the same mboard for many of their models, and usually those models have more than one cpu speed / type of cpu - you can use the max cpu HP uses with all the models considered for sure, or any of the cpus they used with your model or other HP models that used the same mboard.

If you supply the specfic model number or Product number of your HP system, the HP part number of the mboard can be determined, and the HP part number of the mbord can be used to generate a list of all the models the mboard was used in, and you can use any of those model numbers to look up which cpus they use, and use any of those.

Go here:
http://partsurfer.hp.com/

Scroll down a bit.

Find the similar label on the outside of the case.
Quote the
- specific model number - at the end of the first line
- the Product Number - p/n - on the third line

If you search on the HP web site using the Product Number , don't use the # character or the characters after it to search with.
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If want to try searching for the cpus it can use yourself...

Go here:
http://partsurfer.hp.com/

Type in the specific model number, or the Product Number without the # and the characters after it, for your system.

Click on list all parts, scroll down to find the HP motherboard or system board number under PC boards

Copy that mboard part number, go to the top of the page, use that part number to search with.
Click on the line at the bottom of the resulting page to list all the HP models it is used in.

Use the part number of any of those models, without the # and the characters after it, to search with at the top of the page, on the resulting page have it list cpus or processors or similar.


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#20
September 15, 2011 at 09:23:26
many thanks to everybody for your contribution so far. now i got p4 2.4ghz, 533mhz fsb, 1gb ram of pc3200, two 512mb making 1gb ram single channel because my mobo only supports single channel. i have window xp on it and it ok
but i dont know maybe i can put window vista on it with only 1gb ram hope it will not slow down the system. thank you all.

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#21
September 15, 2011 at 19:55:15
Glad to hear you are up and running again. Stay with XP for your system, Vista would slow it down. Your system (motherboard) I am sure was never intended for Vista and HP would not have bothered to write the drivers for Vista for it. Most people stayed with XP until they had a system that could run Windows 7, Vista was only partially baked and was refined into Windows 7 but that definitely would not run on it.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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