MSI Motherboard

Compaq / Dq179a-aba s6100nx na410
May 22, 2010 at 15:02:50
Specs: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, 2.8 GHz / 1015 MB
I have a Compaq system that I thought about upgrading the CPU from Celeron 2.8 to a P4 2.8. That's less than $50, but may not do too much. So, I am also considering saving up for a motherboard upgrade and then upgrading the peripherals around that, overtime.

I am considering the MSI P7NGM-DIGITAL LGA775 nVidia nForce 9300 micro ATX motherboard, another CPU - like a Core Duo and of course some memory. I am hoping that the hybrid SLI support will allow me to use my PNY 8400GS PCI, for a little boost.

Does this push me into a 64-bit world where my Windows XP won't work?

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May 22, 2010 at 19:35:56
Your old CPU won't work on an LGA 775 board...your old RAM won't work either. You will need to upgrade the power supply & for Hybrid SLi to work, the 8400GS needs to be PCI-express, not PCI.

You can not do these upgrades "overtime", they would all have to be done at the same time.

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May 22, 2010 at 23:17:53
OK, good to know and thank you jam. The onboard GPU outperforms the 8400GS PCI, so that's a plus.
Memory is relatively cheap and I would like to stick with a 32-bit compatible processor for Windows XP Home, although Windows XP Pro 64 isn't a killer (just more doremi).

Just need to decide on CPU:

$ 65 -Intel P4 661 3.6GHz 8HH80552PG1042M

Does this work with Windows XP Home???

$ 40 -Scythe Ninja 2 Universal CPU Cooler
$ 50 -2GB DDR2 PC2-6400 (800MHz)
$ 70 -StarTech 500W ATX Power Supply/PCIe & SATA

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May 23, 2010 at 07:49:14
Extremely poor configuration. You obviously don't know much about hardware.

1. you can run a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit system, so sticking with XP (which will soon be a 10 yr old OS) isn't a problem.

2. the P4 was the worst CPU Intel ever produced, plus it's outdated. Why would you even consider the P4 661 in 2010? You can get a 2.6GHz dual core Pentium Wolfdale for about the same price & it would spank the sh!t out of the 3.6GHz P4. Plus with the right board, your could overclock the hell out of it.

3. you don't need to waste $40 on an aftermarket CPU cooler, just use the stock Intel cooler.

4. screw the Hybrid SLi idea. Boards based on Intel chipsets offer the best performance. Look for a board based on the P43 or P45 chipset & make sure it has 4 memory slots. Use the money you save on the aftermarket cooler & cheaper motherboard & invest in a decent video card.

4. make sure the RAM is 2 x 1GB, not a single 2GB stick.

5. the StarTech power supply sucks. You'd be paying way too much for a low end piece of crap.

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May 23, 2010 at 07:51:48
Try this:

GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P45 - $75 after rebate

Intel Pentium E5300 Wolfdale 2.6GHz - $67

A-DATA 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit - $53

ASUS GeForce GT 240 512MB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 Video Card - $60 after rebate

CORSAIR 400W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS Certified power supply - $30 after rebate & coupon

Total: $285

This system would be infinity better than what you picked out, not to mention $55 cheaper. You can use that $55 savings to buy a decent case. And don't forget a new SATA hard drive.

If you're not in the US, use that list as a guide.

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May 23, 2010 at 09:33:22
Thank you so much, jam. You are correct when you state "obviously don't know much about hardware", as I am an OS driver guy. Look up cmkrnl and you will find out how long I have been under the hood. Now doing linux drivers and porting TCP/IP stacks to embedded applications.

That's why I put my flame suit on and asked some stupid questions in order "to get up to speed" from the knowledge of people who keep up with this stuff. The churn in the silicon biz, due to Moore's Law, is more than I care to follow.

Fortunately, the internet is on computers now...

Nevertheless, I really appreciate you taking the time follow up and spec a system. I can't really trust the kids at the local Fry's to have the broad knowledge base available on this site

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May 23, 2010 at 09:46:30
I'm sure there are others that would flame me for recommending an LGA 775 system. Intel has moved on to the "Core i" series (Core i3, Core i5, Core i7) which uses a different socket, so an LGA 775 system is already a generation behind.

How do you feel about AMD? There's a lot of good choices in their socket AM3 platform.

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May 23, 2010 at 12:09:01
And you're right about the guys at Fry's; their knowledge base is limited to the hottest babe in the store. It's the kind of store where you must know what you're after when you walk in the door.

Are you close to a Fry's in case we find a good deal there?


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May 23, 2010 at 14:02:46
Hi Skip, according to Sprint Nav I am 2.0 miles from Fry's... lol!

Hi jam, no strong feelings one way or the other when it comes to AMD v Intel. I feel comfortable with Intel just because they drive the market. I absolutely hated their legacy of z80/8080 segmented addressing architecture, but the i960 was the shiznit about 15 years ago. I always liked Motorola 68000 series and QUICC when I was doing a lot of VMEbus systems and SCSI ruled the parallel bus!

Back to the future...

I really like the system and price ($) of the system jam spec'd out. I don't mind being behind the curve, when it comes to tech, hi-fi, multimedia, etc.

I like going to Fry's to get the look and feel and then the one-stop shopping at Newegg is a plus. I have not gone over to Fry's with the jam 775 rig parts list, but I don't think they can come through. I was just playing with the cart at Newegg and saw that they give bundled discounts and make nice suggestions.

This is how far behind the times I am:

The kids wanted to play Flight Simulator, which I almost forgot was on the PC. So, I get the MSoft Sidewinder joystick out of the closet, but I can't find the gameport to USB pigtail.... (lol some more)

Being disabled now, puts me on a tight budget. However, I do need something with more performance since my old laptop can barely run the Android SDK.

Anyways, it will take me several months to get the pieces together... but I sincerely appreciate the help or I would be lost otherwise. Thanks again.

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May 23, 2010 at 18:48:19
OK did some research, which is probably just dangerous since I am working in a vacuum... you guys know this stuff inside/out so I don't want to waste a lot of bandwidth going into the rationale (just fire away if I am off the rails):

If I go with a P45, it would make sense to spend a little more and get a GA-EP45T-USB3P ($109 after rebate Fry's) w/Intel E7400 2.8 Ghz ($125 at NewEgg) for $235.

If I go P55, the GA-P55-USB3 ($116 at NewEgg) wIntel i3-530 2.93 Ghz ($119 at NewEgg) for $235.

... same price! But I really don't know which is better, I would just assume the P55 system.

I can't even spell AMD, so please spec me an Intel killing - AMD mobo/CPU combo for under $250. I don't care what brand... stability and relaibility (build it and forget) are my main objectives.

I am going to make a new topic for this, since MSI is a dead horse now. I'll title it looking for CPU/MOBO advice.

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