How to overclock E5200 to 3GGz with stock cooling?

July 25, 2017 at 07:35:16
Specs: Windows 10 64bit
Hello
My spec:
CPU:Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5200 @ 2.50GHz
Motherboard:Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3 (3 PCI, 3 PCI-E x1, 1 PCI-E x16, 4 DDR2 DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN, IEEE-1394) REV.1.0
GPU:Gigabyte Radeon R7 250 2GB DDR3
Memory:DDR2 4GB:
DIMM1: Kingston (2 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM)
DIMM3: Kingston (2 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM)
BIOS Version F4

Voltages:
CPU Core 1.120 V
CPU VID 1.150 V
+3.3 V 3.376 V
+12 V 12.239 V
+5 V Standby 5.188 V
VBAT Battery 2.848 V
DIMM 2.000 V
GPU Core 0.800 V

Curectly overclocked it to 3Ghz by watching some video on youtube but its not stable
CPU Speed
CPU Clock 1440.0 MHz (original: 2500 MHz)
CPU Multiplier 6x
CPU FSB 240.0 MHz (original: 200 MHz, overclock: 19%)
Memory Bus 480.0 MHz
DRAM:FSB Ratio 12:6
That is from Aida 64 Extreme

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#1
July 25, 2017 at 09:26:09
How familiar are you with O/C theory? FSB is where the performance gains will be found, plus it's very important to keep the FSB:DRAM frequency ratio at either 1:1 or 1:2. These two ratios are considered optimal. Notice the word "frequency"...that means the actual clock setting, not the bogus QDR & DDR ratings.

The E5200 has a default FSB of 800MHz (200MHz frequency); DDR2-800 RAM runs at 400MHz frequency. So at the default settings, the ratio is 200:400 = 1:2, which is one of the optimal ratios. Your board officially supports up to 1600MHz FSB (400MHz frequency), so at that FSB setting with the RAM running at default speed, you'd be at 400:400 = 1:1, the other optimal ratio.

So what it boils down to is this: adjust the CPU settings to 7.5 x 400MHz (3.0GHz), configure the RAM to run at 400MHz, & you'll be good to go.

These settings should be adjusted in the BIOS using the MB Intelligent Tweaker menu. Actually, ALL the BIOS settings should be reviewed & adjusted as necessary to provide best performance. BTW, 3.0GHz is just a baby-step. The E5200 can be safely clocked much higher than that.

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#2
July 25, 2017 at 14:48:18
8.0x400= 3.2GHz should be easy
8.5x400=3.4GHz if stable
9.0x400=3.6GBz might be pushing it but maybe worth trying some time.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#3
July 26, 2017 at 01:38:35
I dont have expirience in overclocking i am new to this from my first post i overclocked it from video on you tube and on that first post i post overclocked setting from AIDA64,all running fine except when i shut down computer then turn it on it start then shut of then it start again and in bio its says warrning boot failure due inproper overclocking bla bla,and windows can start normal.
And all Bios settings are on default except time,boot order mybe some other setting should be tweaked to?
I run Windows 10 64bit
HPET Support Enabled
HPET Mode 32bit mode
That is on default should i change it to 64bit?

Also SATA AHCI Mode is Disabled on default,do i need to enable it?
Init Display First is by default on PCI should it be on PEG?

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#4
July 26, 2017 at 13:59:39
The proper way to overclock is from the BIOS. Do not use overclocking software. And youtube isn't the best place to look for overclocking tips. Once you learn the theory behind it, you should be able to overclock just about any PC. However, different CPUs have to be approached differently. AMD, for example, plays by a whole different set of rules.

"SATA AHCI Mode is Disabled on default,do i need to enable it?"

It should have been enabled before Windows was installed. If you enable it now, it's possible your system will no longer boot into Windows. Try it. If you can't enter Windows, just go back & disable it again.

"Init Display First is by default on PCI should it be on PEG?"

PEG = PCIE Graphics. Since you have Radeon graphics card, the Init Display First should be PEG. Give me a chance to download the motherboard manual & review the BIOS chapter. I'll post back later with recommended settings for 3.0GHz @ 1600MHz FSB.


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#5
July 26, 2017 at 14:57:30
All work ok only problem when i turn off computer and turn it on it turn it of again then start again and in bios it says boot failure beacuze overclocking or voltage ect and windows can start normaly.
Ok thank you i will wait for your post of recommended setting for 3.0Ghz.

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#6
July 28, 2017 at 05:55:53
Sorry about the delay. Here's the manual I used: http://download1.gigabyte.us/Files/...

In the MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.) menu, try the following:

Robust Graphics Booster - Auto
CPU Clock Ratio - 7x
Fine CPU Clock Ratio - +0.5
CPU Host Clock Control - Enabled
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) - 400Mhz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) - 100Mhz
C.I.A.2 - Disabled
Performance Enhance - Standard
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.) - Disabled
(G)MCH Frequency Latch - 400 (1600FSB)
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) - 2.00D
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) - Auto


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#7
July 29, 2017 at 03:27:48
You mean CPU Clock Ratio - 7 that x confuse me :)
Can i go with this spec to 8.0x400= 3.2GHz should be easy whot Fingers said?
Thank you so much for your time and help riider.

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#8
July 29, 2017 at 04:40:48
"x" is the multiplier symbol as in basic math, 7x400Mhz. That's the way it's shown in the BIOS. There's a separate setting for the 1/2 multiplier so to create 7.5x, you'll need 7x and +0.5. It won't confuse you once you look at the settings.

I wouldn't jump straight to 3.2GHz (8 x 400MHz). Make sure you get the settings right & the system is stable at 3.0GHz before trying to go any higher. Use OCCT 4.5 to confirm your settings & test for stability:

http://www.ocbase.com/


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#9
July 29, 2017 at 05:30:50
Thank you my friend on everything,you helped me a loot.

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#10
July 30, 2017 at 02:56:12
I tryed that setting in bios but when i save to CMOS and exit computer shut down then power up then again shut down and power up,in bios when enter on MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.) it says;

The system has expirienced boot failure becauze of overclocking or changes of voltage.
Last settings in this page may not coincide with current H/W states.

Only thing i could not change cuz could not find in M.I.T. is Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.) - Disabled option.

I Booted into windows after that and opened AIDA 64 Extreme and in overclocking it shows;
CPU Type DualCore Intel Pentium E5200, 1500 MHz (7.5 x 200)
CPU FSB 200.0 MHz (original: 200 MHz)
Memory Bus 400.0 MHz
DRAM:FSB Ratio 12:6


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#11
July 30, 2017 at 07:39:49
I was afraid that might happen. I think it's the RAM settings. Try the above settings with this one change:

(G)MCH Frequency Latch - Auto


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#12
July 30, 2017 at 11:34:42
I changed MCH Frequency Latch - Auto,but same thing happened.

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#13
July 30, 2017 at 17:53:34
Overclocking is always trial & error. I'm fairly sure the problem is with the RAM setting. Try MCH Frequency Latch at 200MHz just to see if the system will boot into Windows. If it does, try using either OCCT from the link in response #8 or try CPUZ.

http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-...

If you run CPUZ, click on the memory tab to check the DRAM frequency & FSB:DRAM ratio. Here's an example:

http://imag.malavida.com/mvimgbig/d...


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#14
July 31, 2017 at 03:00:05
Hi riider

When i changed MCH Frequency Latch at 200MHz at
System Memory Multiplier only have options;
Auto
2.66C
3.33C
4.00C
tryed to leave it at auto but same thing happened when saved to bios settings comp shut down then power up and again shut down and power up then boted to windows and here are settings from
Aida 64Extreme;
CPU Clock 1200.0 MHz (original: 2500 MHz)
CPU Multiplier 6x
CPU FSB 200.0 MHz (original: 200 MHz)
Memory Bus 400.0 MHz
DRAM:FSB Ratio 12:6

Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.120 V
CPU VID 1.188 V
+3.3 V 3.376 V
+12 V 12.239 V
+5 V Standby 5.188 V
VBAT Battery 2.256 V
DIMM 1.920 V
GPU Core 0.800 V

DMI;
DMI Access System BIOS
DMI Size 1189 bytes
Warning Accuracy of DMI data cannot be guaranteed

Memory Module Properties
Module Name Kingston
Serial Number E73666D7h (3613800167)
Manufacture Date Week 30 / 2013
Module Size 2 GB (2 ranks, 8 banks)
Module Type Unbuffered DIMM
Memory Type DDR2 SDRAM
Memory Speed DDR2-800 (400 MHz)
Module Width 64 bit
Module Voltage SSTL 1.8
Error Detection Method None
Refresh Rate Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh

Memory Timings
@ 400 MHz 6-6-6-18 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 24-51-3-6-3-3 (RC-RFC-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP)
@ 333 MHz 5-5-5-15 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 20-43-3-5-3-3 (RC-RFC-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP)
@ 266 MHz 4-4-4-12 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 16-34-2-4-2-2 (RC-RFC-RRD-WR-WTR-RTP)


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#15
July 31, 2017 at 15:28:30
I still say it's the memory setting. Try these & see what's in bold.

Robust Graphics Booster - Auto
CPU Clock Ratio - 7x
Fine CPU Clock Ratio - +0.5
CPU Host Clock Control - Enabled
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) - 400Mhz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) - 100Mhz
C.I.A.2 - Disabled
Performance Enhance - Standard
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.) - Disabled
(G)MCH Frequency Latch - AUTO
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) - 2.00B
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) - Auto


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#16
August 1, 2017 at 02:37:32
I will try that, only i dont have that Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.) i didnt find it.

Tryed that but still didnt worked boot failure etc message when enter to bios.

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#17
August 7, 2017 at 21:07:42
I think your memory Voltage is 1.50V by default, try 1.65V instead and use above settings from riider again and see if that helps.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#18
August 12, 2017 at 01:41:58
Ok i will try that.

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#19
August 15, 2017 at 10:27:31
I tryed Riider settings again with memory voltage 1.65V still fail.

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#20
August 15, 2017 at 13:17:10
Roll the CPU Clock Ratio back to 6 and see if it works there. If it does then stress test and go up by 1/2 at a time. Monitor the temps as well to be sure that they are not the reason for the problem. Leave the RAM volts at 1.65V until you get it to boot and stress tested, later you can try lowering it.
If you get it to run at 6, 6 1/2, or 7 then you can try increasing the VCore by .01 or or .015 and see if that increases stability and allows you to increase the multiplier. Important note: the increase of the VCore will increase the core temperature so watch the temps carefully during the process. Do NOT exceed 1.36V VCore for any reason and keep in well under 76Deg C Max. during stress testing. A good core temp for 24/7 use is idle 25-35C or so and normal use 30-45C with heavy use no higher than the low 50C's.
Overclocking is a process and every piece of silicon is different, some need more voltage to run the same settings and therefore hotter running. Occasionally you get one that needs a better heat sink than the stock one or just will not reach above a certain clock setting. Most Likely you will just have to experiment a little bit more to get it right.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#21
October 7, 2018 at 04:00:06
Hello sorry i didnt bean active for while i gave up on overclocking it but again i dont give up :) i wona post info from CPU-Z and from bios so you guys able to help me do it.

Processors
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of sockets 1
Number of threads 2

APICs
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Socket 0
-- Core 0 (ID 0)
-- Thread 0 0
-- Core 1 (ID 1)
-- Thread 1 1

Timers
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

ACPI timer 3.580 MHz
Perf timer 2.441 MHz
Sys timer 1.000 KHz


Processors Information
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Socket 1 ID = 0
Number of cores 2 (max 2)
Number of threads 2 (max 2)
Name Intel Pentium E5200
Codename Wolfdale
Specification Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5200 @ 2.50GHz
Package (platform ID) Socket 775 LGA (0x0)
CPUID 6.7.6
Extended CPUID 6.17
Core Stepping M0
Technology 45 nm
TDP Limit 65.0 Watts
Core Speed 1199.9 MHz
Multiplier x Bus Speed 6.0 x 200.0 MHz
Base frequency (cores) 200.0 MHz
Base frequency (ext.) 200.0 MHz
Rated Bus speed 800.0 MHz
Stock frequency 2500 MHz
Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, EM64T
Microcode Revision 0x610
L1 Data cache 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 2048 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
Max CPUID level 0000000Ah
Max CPUID ext. level 80000008h
Cache descriptor Level 1, D, 32 KB, 1 thread(s)
Cache descriptor Level 1, I, 32 KB, 1 thread(s)
Cache descriptor Level 2, U, 2 MB, 2 thread(s)
FID/VID Control yes
FID range 6.0x - 12.5x
Max VID 1.188 V


IBRS not supported
IBPB not supported
STIBP not supported
RDCL_NO no
IBRS_ALL not supported

Temperature 0 44 degC (111 degF) (Core #0)
Temperature 1 39 degC (102 degF) (Core #1)
Clock Speed 0 1199.94 MHz (Core #0)
Clock Speed 1 1199.94 MHz (Core #1)
Core 0 max ratio (effective) 7.5
Core 1 max ratio (effective) 7.5
BIOS
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

UEFI No

Chipset
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Northbridge Intel P45/P43/G45/G43 rev. A3
Southbridge Intel 82801JR (ICH10R) rev. 00
Graphic Interface PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width x8
PCI-E Max Link Width x8
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 4 GBytes
Channels Dual, (Symmetric)
Memory Frequency 400.0 MHz (1:2)
CAS# latency (CL) 6.0
RAS# to CAS# delay (tRCD) 6
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 6
Cycle Time (tRAS) 18
Row Refresh Cycle Time (tRFC) 52
Command Rate (CR) 2T
Host Bridge 0x2E20

Memory SPD
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

DIMM # 1
SMBus address 0x50
Memory type DDR2
Module format Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) Kingston (7F98000000000000000000)
Size 2048 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
Part number
Serial number E73666D7
Manufacturing date Week 30/Year 13
Number of banks 8
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
EPP no
XMP no
AMP no
JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
JEDEC #1 4.0-4-4-12-16 @ 266 MHz
JEDEC #2 5.0-5-5-15-20 @ 333 MHz
JEDEC #3 6.0-6-6-18-24 @ 400 MHz

DIMM # 2
SMBus address 0x52
Memory type DDR2
Module format Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) Kingston (7F98000000000000000000)
Size 2048 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
Part number
Serial number 7D26CEB7
Manufacturing date Week 14/Year 10
Number of banks 8
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
EPP no
XMP no
AMP no
JEDEC timings table CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
JEDEC #1 4.0-4-4-12-16 @ 266 MHz
JEDEC #2 5.0-5-5-15-20 @ 333 MHz
JEDEC #3 6.0-6-6-18-24 @ 400 MHz

Mainboard Model EP45-UD3 (0x000001F7 - 0x00B66A2E)

Hardware Monitors
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Hardware monitor ITE IT87
Voltage 0 1.12 Volts [0x46] (CPU VCORE)
Voltage 1 1.92 Volts [0x78] (DDR)
Voltage 2 3.38 Volts [0xD3] (+3.3V)
Voltage 3 4.97 Volts [0xB9] (+5V)
Voltage 7 12.35 Volts [0xC1] (+12V)
Temperature 0 40 degC (104 degF) [0x28] (System)
Temperature 1 34 degC (93 degF) [0x22] (CPU)
Fan 0 1436 RPM [0x1D6] (CPU)
Fan PWM 0 0 pc [0x0] (FANPWM0)
Fan PWM 1 0 pc [0x0] (FANPWM1)
Fan PWM 2 0 pc [0x0] (FANPWM2)
Register space LPC, base address = 0x0290

That was some info from CPU-Z


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#22
October 7, 2018 at 04:17:04
Here are some info from BIOS

Robust Graphic Booster Auto
CPU Clock Ratio 7X
Fine CPU Clock Ratio +0.5


Clock Chip Control

CPU Host Clock Control Enabled
CPU Host Frequency 400
PCI Express Frequency 100
C.I.A.2 Disabled

DRAM Performance Control

Performance Enhance Standard
(G)MCH Frequency Latch auto
System Memory Multiplier 2.00B
Memory Frequency(Mhz) 800
DRAM Timing Selectable (SDP) Auto

Mother Board Voltage Control

Load-Line Calibration Disabled
CPU Vcore 1.18750V Auto
CPU Termination 1.200V Auto
CPU PLL 1.500V Auto
CPU Reference 0.760V Auto

MCH Core 1.100V Auto
MCH Reference 0.760V Auto
MCH/DRAM Reference 0.900V Auto
ICH I/O 1.500V Auto
ICH Core 1.100V Auto

DRAM Voltage 1.800V Auto
DRAM Termination 0.900V Auto
Channel A Reference 0.900V Auto
Channel B Reference 0.900V Auto


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#23
October 7, 2018 at 16:41:46
Your setting are 400MHz x 4.5 = 3000MHz or 3.0GHz which is what you asked for originally.
Your RAM is also 400 x 2.0 = 800MHz which gives you a ratio of 1:1 which is ideal.
Is there a problem? If not then you are all set.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#24
October 9, 2018 at 07:23:48
Hi Fingers thank you for your time for helping me.

What confuse me when i enter in BIOS MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.) it say

The system has expirienced boot failures becauze of overclocking or
changes of voltages.

Last settings in this page may not coincide with current H/W states.


Also what confuses me when i right click on This PC

View basic information about your computer
Processor: Pentium(R)Dual-Core CPU E5200 @ 2.50GHz 1.50GHz

Why it say only 1.50GHz?


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#25
October 9, 2018 at 07:30:33
All was good before couple of months before i did BIOS update to newer version then reseted BIOS settings to default i lost BIOS setup what i had before becauze with this setup on windows 10 64 bit
in League of Legends on default settings i had way over 100fps now when i did this BIOS update with random configuration of bios mostly default fps in game is 60 or 70 and in fight it drop to 30 or 20 whot make me crazy.
I dont know how to configure BIOS for best performance becauze i think there is problem why i have now low fps in game, also overclocking cpu.

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#26
October 9, 2018 at 16:33:36
You need to manually tweak your BIOS settings.
You need to make sure that your graphics driver is the latest for your graphics card.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#27
October 10, 2018 at 02:14:10
Yes i know that i need to tweak it manually but dont know how to do it for best performance of my system.

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#28
October 10, 2018 at 21:18:04
Please reread above replies (especially 6 through 16 or so) where riider gave some very specific settings to start with. It has been a bunch of years since I OC'd these older chips and don't remember too many more tweaks. Maybe riider will drop by again soon. As mentioned, if you are stable and cool enough, you can try raising the multiplier from 7.5 to 8.0 and even maybe 8.5 soon.
Make sure your graphics driver is the latest and also install the appropriate tweaking software for your GPU as well, there may be a bit more you can tweak out of that as well.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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