Amd 2000+ XP

July 10, 2009 at 06:28:42
Specs: Windows XP
Any help in overclocking a amd 2000 xp to a stable (probably) 2.0 ghz currently rated to a 1.66 on a MSI k7n2 Delta-L I have a 3200 ram kingston

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#1
July 10, 2009 at 08:19:05
Do you have a Palomino or Tbred? Locked or unlocked multiplier?

One important thing to know about socket A systems is that for best performance, you should always run the RAM at the same frequency as the CPU...in other words, 1:1 ratio. So regardless of the fact that you have DDR400 (PC3200) RAM that's capable of at least 200MHz freq, it most likely will have to be underclocked. For instance, with your CPU running at it's default speed of 1.67GHz (12.5 x 133MHz), the RAM should be scaled back to DDR266 (133MHz) to match the CPU freq.

Another thing you need to know is that the AthlonXP isn't a great overclocker. You'll be lucky to get another 20% out of it. If your CPU multiplier is locked, you might wanna see if any of the old unlocking tricks (such as the "pencil trick") will work. You'll get much better performance if you can run the FSB at 400MHz & take full advantage of your RAM & board's potential. 2.0GHz at 10 x 200MHz is much better/faster than 2.0GHz at 12.5 x 160MHz.

OK, here's your board:

http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=p...

If you don't have a copy of the manual, get it here:

http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=d...

And if you feel confident flashing the BIOS & you don't currently have version 5.9, I suggest you perform the update before you attempt overclocking:

http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=d...


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#2
July 10, 2009 at 09:05:04
hey i checked the cpu multiplier and its not locked it can go till 13.5 however i checked the temperature also and on auto its 65 66 degrees celsius i think thats kinda much or i am mistaken? and another thing i have 1 gb ram but the mobo reads it in single channel and my mobo suports dual channel can u take a look at the board and tell me which slots or what to do so i can use the dual channel feature

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#3
July 10, 2009 at 09:37:23
If it's unlocked, you're in business. But did you check to see if the change actually takes place? If the CPU is locked, you can still change the multiplier setting in the BIOS but when you reboot, nothing will have changed...the CPU will still be running at it's stock speed of 1.67GHz. If it's unlocked, the change will obviously take place. When you changed the multiplier to 13.5x & rebooted, did the CPU speed jump up to 1.8GHz? or did it stay at 1.67GHz?

Anyhow, the trick is to LOWER the multiplier, NOT raise it. That will allow you to raise the FSB without over-overclocking the CPU. FSB is where the performance is. As I said in my other response, 10 x 200MHz is much better/faster than 12.5 x 160MHz even though both settings will run the CPU at 2.0GHz.

As for dual channel mode, it's of absolutely no benefit on a socket A system. If your board supports it, it won't hurt to enable it, but don't expect to gain anything from it. To enable dual channel mode, you need a matched pair of memory sticks & they must be placed in "DIMM1 (purple slot) and DIMM3 (green slot), or DIMM2 (purple slot) and DIMM3 (green slot)."

Double check that your CPU multiplier is unlocked & I'll come up with a list of BIOS settings to try.


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#4
July 10, 2009 at 11:02:56
OK, I'm gonna start conservatively. Here's some test settings to try IF your CPU is unlocked. If it's not unlocked, your system will become unbootable.

Under the Advanced Chipset Features menu:

System Performance = Manual
CPU FSB clock = 200MHz
CPU Interface = normal
FSB/DRAM Ratio = 1:1
Memory Timing = Manual
T-(RAS) = 11
T-(RCD) = 3
T-(RP) = 3
CAS Latency = 2.5
FSB Spread Spectrum = Disabled
AGP Spread Spectrum = Disabled
AGP Aperture Size = 128MB

Under the PNP/PCI Configuration menu:

PNP OS Installed = No
Reset Configuration Data = Yes

Under the Frequency/Voltage Control menu:

AGP Clock Control = Manual
AGP Clock Value = 67MHz
CPU Ratio = 8.5
CPU Vcore Select = By H/W (for starters). This will most likely have to be changed later. I can't tell you which voltage to use because I have no idea if your CPU is a Palomino or Tbred.

If the above settings work, the CPU will be mildly overclocked at 1.7GHz but the FSB will be running at 400MHz rather than 266MHz. That means you'll be taking full advantage of your motherboard & RAM. From there, all you'd have to do to overclock higher would be to increase the CPU Ratio & CPU Vcore Select. All the rest of the settings can be left alone.


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#5
July 10, 2009 at 11:10:59
If it turns out your CPU multiplier IS locked, try the following:

Under the Advanced Chipset Features menu:

System Performance = Manual
CPU FSB clock = 140MHz
CPU Interface = normal
FSB/DRAM Ratio = 1:1
Memory Timing = Manual
T-(RAS) = 11
T-(RCD) = 3
T-(RP) = 3
CAS Latency = 2.5
FSB Spread Spectrum = Disabled
AGP Spread Spectrum = Disabled
AGP Aperture Size = 128MB

Under the PNP/PCI Configuration menu:

PNP OS Installed = No
Reset Configuration Data = Yes

Under the Frequency/Voltage Control menu:

AGP Clock Control = Manual
AGP Clock Value = 67MHz
CPU Ratio = By H/W or 12.5x
CPU Vcore Select = By H/W (for starters).

The only settings that changed from the other list are CPU FSB clock & CPU Ratio. Once again, these are very conservative settings. If it works, the CPU will run at 1.75GHz @ 280MHz FSB.

I need to know the CPU core type (Palomino or Tbred) to be able to help you to overclock any higher than that. If you don't know what you have, try using CPUZ: http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php




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#6
July 10, 2009 at 11:58:43
On the cpuz it says its thoroughbred but when i made it 13x it wouldnt boot so i had to change the jumpers and set it to auto so it would stabilize will the first example u showed me be ok with the stock cooler that comes with the procesor ?

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#7
July 10, 2009 at 12:01:31
and something else i have a 64 mb geforce why set the agp to 128? or that has nothing to do with graphics
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#8
July 10, 2009 at 12:25:07
If the system became unbootable when you changed the multi to 13x, that means your CPU is locked. You're gonna have to use the settings in response 5. Try them & see what happens. I'll recommend some other settings later, now that I know you have a Tbred.

The AGP Aperture setting is difficult to explain. All you really need to know is 128MB is the optimal setting. If you wanna read up on it, an explanation can be found here:

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles...


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#9
July 10, 2009 at 12:29:05
ok i will try now but will it increase the temp
currently at 51 52 degrees

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#10
July 10, 2009 at 12:31:13
Here's a brief discussion of AGP Aperature Size...

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles...

The desktop Athlon XP 2000+ processors came in 3 flavors; Palomino, TbredA, and TbredB. The Palomino core is 180nm and generally runs hotter than either of the Tbred 130nm core processors. They all run at 1667Mhz (133x12.5).

Go with the settings in Response Number 5.

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#11
July 10, 2009 at 12:41:32
jam and I are posting the same stuff. ;-)

The temps might increase a °...don't worry about it right now.

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#12
July 10, 2009 at 12:48:16
1.75 succesfully :D and the temps stayed same according to software in xp and in bios says 70 degrees in xp 50 51

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#13
July 10, 2009 at 12:52:37
but in the pnp/pci there was no Reset Confidental data so i just made pnp os installed to no

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#14
July 10, 2009 at 13:02:29
OK, now you have a 2100+.

If you want to stress test the processor, toast is the tool.

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download....

Nothing I know of will make an Athlon XP run hotter than toast. Run it for 10 minutes. Here's what you can expect to see.

1. Athlon XP's will usually show a 10-12°C increase from idle to full load.
2. Max temps will usually level out about the 6-7 minute mark.
3. If something ain't stable or if it gets too hot, toast and your system will lock up...you'll have to reboot.
4. Problems (like slow downs) usually begin occuring about 65°C or so. AT 75°C most Athlon XP's are going on strike.

BIOS shows 70°C? What program are you using in XP that shows temps of 50-50°C?

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#15
July 10, 2009 at 13:05:54
the one bundled with the mobo MSI PCalert4 52 53 degrees temp

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#16
July 10, 2009 at 13:20:34
10 min after toast it stayed at 55 celsius max i seen is 56 after i closed toast it showed 57 for a second and back to 54

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#17
July 10, 2009 at 13:23:47
OK, that's fine and it will agree with BIOS. Did I misunderstand that BIOS reports 70°C?

Another good temp monitor is MBM5.

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download....

MBM5 is a little more complicated but will save a log of temps, voltages, etc.

If 1750Mhz is stable (10' of toast), my next try would be 144Mhzx12.5 for 1800Mhz (a 2200+). You "may" need to increase vCore from 1.650v to 1.675 or 1.700v.

Note: when you increase vCore, temps will go up some. It's important to monitor temps closely.

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#18
July 10, 2009 at 13:36:04
in MBm5 it shows same as the msi one idle at 52 53 and full load 56 57

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#19
July 10, 2009 at 13:37:53
im sry guys i have to go well continue tommorow coz its poker night tnx for all the help il cya tommorow

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#20
July 11, 2009 at 06:06:28
back in the game the processor is currently 1.8 and stable after 10 mins of toast there was no need for adding voltage

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#21
July 11, 2009 at 11:07:22
I guess you're shootin' for 2000Mhz? That's gonna take 160Mhz.

Double check the settings jam gave you in Response Number 5, especially that AGP Clock value is 67Mhz.

Keep raising the FSB in 2Mhz increments and continue to test for stability watching temps closely. When toast locks the system, you'll need to increase vCore and test again.

You will eventually hit a spot where either temps rise too far to handle or nothing you do will stabilize the system. Remember that an overclock is only worth your efforts if everything is cool and stable.

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