i tried to install a new cnet pci network adapter pro 200.
ive tried everything to remove and uninstall the old network adapter(the same kind)
the new c net driver opens up in a zip file. it doesnt go through the instalation
like other drivers ive put on. just a ton of files. so i tried the update driver but still no luck - it wont read the have disk
in the drive. any way i was wondering if any one new of an easier driver i could get off the web that might work. thanks

Best thing boot into safe mode and check to see if any network adaptors are in Device Manager still. If the file you have is a zipped folder containg the drivers extract it to somewhere like c:\net . That'll make it easier for you to then install the new adaptor. Best thing would be to remove the card after safe mode before windows starts up again. Then boot the system, shuutdown reinsert the card restart then install teh drivers, if you chose auto install I beleive that if it doesn't find drivers you can search for them, so simply type in c:\net and your problems should be solved.

following on from "lupin..." it sounds as though you're extracting (unzipping) the compressed driver file but not actually running the install exe (if that approach is part of the zipped file).

Usually (but not always) one can simply go thru the add hardware routine and when asked for the driver(s) point to a location where thy reside. So, having unzipped the compressed file to a known location, point to that location when looking for the drivers.

I tend to have a common folder for all drivers; and sub-dolders for each individual driver - each suitably named of course...

"the new c net driver opens up in a zip file. it doesnt go through the instalation"

It sounds to me , linda49, like you are not extracting the files from the zip file.
Do you have any program such as WinZip that can extract files from a zip file?

sorry i didnt respond. but you are correct i must have not ran the zip. it did say extracting 40 files or such. think they were in some temp file. well i found the temp file but they werent in there. i made the problem worse as i removed a network driver.
i made a new post as i need an f disk now just to get something going again. a friend
said if i unplugged things inside the comp that windows would restore itself. well i opened up the comp and there was a ton of plugs. most seemed sodered so i was leary of that .right now the comp is on my table kinda like a jig saw puzzle- figure ill just go step by step and work on it when i can. actually its an hp8580c and i just really like it. its real quiet and i would be content with it as my only comp no matter how great xp etc is. i tried a lot of different programs on it and for some one knowing nothing about computers the darn thing worked pretty good. i just wished i would have had the recovery disks that went to it. then i could mess up all i wanted to with it. i dont keep any sacred info on any comp it was just a real neat learning tool.
i did get a windows 98 se disk it says windows98 se for pcs with out windows. usually id just pop that in and it would give me all the stuff back. even keep the files etc. the computer was excellent - it was just me messing with it

You should not need to run Fdisk and Format and install Windows from scratch if the only problem you are having is you can't seem to install the drivers for the network adapter - if there is nothing actually wrong other than that, you are going to have the same problem again if you can't figure out to install the network adapters properly now.
If you have only one partition on your hard drive and no other hard drives where you can save the drivers you downloaded, you will have to find and download the drivers for the network card again.
Running Windows Setup is quick but it is only the first step - it takes a lot of time to update Windows, install the programs you had on it, get drivers Windows doesn't have built into it that you don't have on floppies or CDs and install them, etc. etc.

Even if there is other things wrong with your Windows, you can often fix things by running an "overtop" Setup - you will not lose what is already on the drive partition Windows is on, but that cannot fix things caused by stuff that isn't on the original CD.

If this network adapter was working before, there is probably no need to open up your case and fiddle with anything.
If this network adapter has never worked for you, or it worked but you moved where it was in the PCI slots and now it doesn't work, or you installed some device such as a card in a slot and now the network adpter doesn't work, there's a small possibility you may need to move the card to another slot - in that case see BELOW below.
If the card was working previously, if you moved the card after that, usually all you need to do is let Win 98SE automatically find the drivers the next time you boot .

Win 98SE doesn't have a lot of network adapter drivers built into it, so you often have to use a disk that came with the adapter to install the drivers for it, or you have to get the drivers for it from the web. When you download a network adapter drivers download it is usually either a self extracting compressed file of some sort with an .exe extension, or it is in a compressed file that does not have an .exe extension that you must open with certain programs, it often has a .zip extension, and the files in it must be extracted with some program that can extract the contents of the file e.g. for a .zip file - WinZip. Win98SE does not come with any program to extract files from a .zip file - you must obtain a program that can do that - it sounds like you already have such a program.
In either case, the extracted files are often specified by default as to the location they will be extracted to, and you should pay attention to what it says that location is - if you missed that, extract the files again and pay attention to where they are extracted to. In the case of a self extracting compressed file, that may be to C:\Windows\Temp, or C:\(the name of the comany that made the adapter), or C:\(the name of the network adapter family), or similar. In the case of extracting from a .zip file, it may default to extracting the files to the same directory the .zip file is in, and it is wise to change that to something else, such as C:\(the model name of the adapter). Wherever the contents of the compressed file goes to, it often extracts everything to be under a directory heading , such as \(some label such as a model number or adapter family).

When you go to where the files have been extracted to, there may or may not be a Setup program. If there is a Setup program, double click on it to run it, select the model of your network adapter if there is a list of several adapters. If there is an Install program, that is usually to install drivers for DOS - don't run it.

If there is no Setup program....
- go to Device Manager (e.g. RIGHT click on My Computer - Properties - Device Manager)
If there is NO Network Adapters category, skip the rest of this and go to the next step.
If there is a Network Adapters category, if there is a listing under Network Adapters - (name of card) with a yellow ! beside it, doubleclick on (name of card), choose Driver, Update Driver - Display a list.... - Have Disk -
Browse to where the contents of the drivers download were extracted to on your hard drive. Windows is looking for an .inf file. If there are subdirectories, the correct .inf file will probably in the \Win98 or \Win9x or \Win98SE subdirectory.
If Windows looks for files on the Win 98SE CD and it can't seem to find them even when you insert the Windows CD, Win 98 and 98SE have this glitch of looking in the wrong place in that circumstance - you must correct the location so that it looks in \Win98, on the correct drive letter of the drive the CD is in, e.g. D:\Win98.

- If there is NO Network Adapters category in Device Manager, or the name of the network adapter you want to install is not listed under the Network Adapters category
- go to Control Panel - Add New Hardware - run it - it should find the network adapter - if it doesn't see BELOW below.
If it finds the network adapter, when it asks for drivers, choose Have Disk -
Browse to where the contents of the drivers download were extracted to on your hard drive. Windows is looking for an .inf file. If there are subdirectories, the correct .inf file will probably in the \Win98 or \Win9x or \Win98SE subdirectory.
If Windows looks for files on the Win 98SE CD and it can't seem to find them even when you insert the Windows CD, Win 98 and 98SE have this glitch of looking in the wrong place in that circumstance - you must correct the location so that it looks in \Win98, on the correct drive letter of the drive the CD is in, e.g. D:\Win98.
.......

BELOW

If no network card is found by Windows....

Has the card ever worked? If it hasn't there's a small possibility it is defective, but there are things you can try before you assume that.

Whenever you fiddle with anything inside your computer case, you must unplug the power to the case or otherwise remove the power to the case (e.g. turn off a switch on the PS or turn off a power bar it is plugged into). ATX PSs are always powering ATX mboards in some places, even when Windows is Shut Down or in Stadby or Hibernate modes.

- try the network card in someone elses computer if you can - there is no need to install any drivers - just see if a new network card is detected while booting.

- make sure the network card is fully seated - parallel to the mboard and all the way down in the slot it is in - if it wasn't, correct that, and temporaily restore the power to the computer, and boot to see if Windows now detects the card while booting.
- if you have spare slots, move the card to another slot. If you don't have spare slots, swap the position that the card and another card are installed in. Avoid using the slot closest to the center of the mboard if you can - that slot is usually forced to use the same IRQ as the onboard video or the video slot if it has a video card in it, and some cards don't get along with sharing their IRQ with the video.

If that stuff doesn't help
- if you aren't using a PS/2 mouse, go into your bios Setup and disable it - that will free up IRQ 12 - some network cards can use IRQ 12.
- if you aren't using one or both Com (serial) ports, go into your bios Setup and disable the Com (serial) ports you aren't using - that will free up one or two IRQ's, usually IRQ 3 and/or 4 - some network cards can use those IRQ's, or some other devices can use those IRQ's and free up the IRQ they were using for other devices such as a network card.
- there is a setting somewhere in the bios Setup - PNP Aware OS (operating system) or similar - if that is set to Yes or Enabled, try setting it to No or Disabled, or visa versa.

If you want to try an "overtop" Setup, you must boot your computer with a Win 98SE Startup Disk and the Windows CD in a CD drive.
If you don't have a Startup Disk, you can make one in Control Panel - Add/Remove Programs - Startup Disk tab.
You let the Startup disk load the support for the CD drive (the default), and when the disk has finished loading type: setup (press enter). Install Windows in the SAME directory it is now in - usually that's C:\Windows. You MUST install it in the same directory in order to not lose your present Windows settings and program install settings.
Setup will proceed pretty much as a Setup from scratch does, except you will be asked far fewer questions, and you will probably not have to supply the Windows Product Key.

If you do run Setup fron scratch, you must load the drivers for your mboard chipset after Setup has finished so that Windows has all the proper information about your mboard.

hp8580c = HP Pavilion 8580c Desktop PC (US)

Here is some of what originally came with your model:

(motherboard) Chipset: 440 BX

Network interface card
HP 10/100 BaseT LAN Adapter (Ethernet)

Fax/Data modem
Modem Rockwell Riptide combo card (supports V.90 K56 Flex protocols)

Video
Video Graphics PCI Local Bus
Controller NVidia Riva TNT
Video Memory 8 MB SDRAM, AGP 2X upgradable

Sound/Audio
Compatibility 3-D Stereo, PCI, 16-bit Sound
Controller AMC97 codec
Location Rockwell RipTide combo card

.......

If you still have the original network card that came with this system - HP 10/100 BaseT LAN Adapter - you may be trying to install the wrong drivers - the correct drivers are probably the ones here:
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsuppor...

In the software downloads for your model...
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...
....the 440BX chipset drivers are not there, the audio and 56K modem drivers are not there, and there is a video drivers update, but it may not install all of what was originally installed for the video.

Win 98SE does not come with drivers for the Intel 440BX chipset.
Get them here:
"Intel® 440 Chipset Family"
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scr...

In a quick search of the HP site and of the web, I have not found any drivers for the Rockwell RipTide combo card (modem and sound).

Also... if you install any network card in the pci slot immediately adjacent (next) to the agp slot... it will not work properly - if at all (if the agp slot is in use/active, and more than likely it is in your PC).

Have at least one pci slot between the agp slot and the network card slot.

If you have a built in network adapter... the above warning/advisory does not apply.

Already covered - response 4 2nd paragraph from the end.

I don't think linda49 is looking at this anymore - she started a new thread that carries on with this subject about Oct 22nd.

mmm... didn't read it all too closely...; however doing so at this stage, can't see a clear reference as indicated? There is slightly oblique reference to a pci slot close to the centre of the mobo in post #5...; but it doesn't really clearly explain the how/why?

Nonetheless the agp/adjacent pci slot is often an overlooked issue; this shared irq does frequently cause grief for those not familiar with it.

But I guess it's all a moot point now...; you say there is a second/later thread now running?

"Avoid using the slot closest to the center of the mboard if you can - that slot is usually forced to use the same IRQ as the onboard video or the video slot if it has a video card in it, and some cards don't get along with sharing their IRQ with the video."

That's clear enough, ,except I could have said "Avoid using the PCI slot....."

"you say there is a second/later thread now running?"

Here, but who knows if it's still being looked at:
http://www.computing.net/windows95/...

or "Avoid using the last PCI slot closest to the center of the mboard ....."

I use the center reference because that is where the possibly problematic slot always is, and many people don't know which slot is the first slot or the last slot.

We could keep this going... just to pass the time...??? I find adjacent/next to the agp slot covers it too (dare I suggest more clearly?); with the rider - especially if the agp is in use. That agp slot is clearly different to any other on the board along the rear/back-plate area...

As I say we can keep this I say, you say etc... going ad infinitum...; but as long we both know what we mean... Others who may come across this dialogue will get to know two ways of identifying the problem area...?

Incidentally those two slots do use/share the same irq at all times... But for whatever reason it generally appears to an issue for a NIC but no other card (when the agp card is in situ/active)...

Back to you - or shall we call it kwitz and see what else is out there...?

Incidentally in a UK pub such dialogues can go on for eons - but usually are harmless, even a soure of amusement for some...; whereas in religous environs they can lead to all sorts of unpleasant consequences...

"I find adjacent/next to the agp slot covers it too"

Leaving PCI-e slots out of the discussion...

Not all mboards have an AGP slot, and if the mboard has onboard video there may or may not be an AGP slot as well.
The last PCI slot next to the AGP slot, if it has an AGP slot, usually shares the IRQ with that of the AGP slot if it has a video card in it - if the mboard also has onboard video, if the AGP slot is not being used, usually the last PCI slot shares the IRQ with that of onboard video. The last PCI slot if it doesn't have an AGP slot, at the center of the mboard end rather than the other end, usually shares the IRQ with that of onboard video if present.

I therfore think it's much more universal to say "Avoid using the last PCI slot closest to the center of the mboard ....."
or "Avoid using the last PCI slot on the end closest to the center of the mboard ....."

"But for whatever reason it generally appears to an issue for a NIC but no other card (when the agp card is in situ/active)..."

I have found all sorts of cards sometimes don't work properly when they share an IRQ with the video. Not all mboards have AGP slots, or AGP onboard video.