Name: keoghjacob Date: February 15, 2008 at 14:00:59 Pacific Subject: CD-ROM Installation OS: DOS CPU/Ram: 32MB Model/Manufacturer: Platium Plus
Comment:
I have the Universial Oak CD-ROM driver and i installed it and it says at the end of the setup reboot and the settings will go into effect.I did that and it says no devices found aborting installation.Please Help!
It could be you need to enable auto-detection in bios in order for the device to be recognised by the setup software. Since it sounds like an "Older" system you are working on I hope the bios has the requisite section in it's hardware/ IDE settings.
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You have answered half of the question asked by DAVEINCAPS, the other half is left unanswered. In computers that old all details are important. If connected to a card chances are that the driver required will be specifically written to work with that card and cd rom. You can try getting the driver from Creative. The Oak driver was for generic cd roms around 10 years ago, generally in speeds of 8 to 16 X. Although the the Oak driver was a good choice to try to get a cd rom installed, it didn't work on all drives.
The 'Quad Speed CREATIVE PC2 Multimedia PC' is probably an NEC CDR-271 and should work with the oak driver. However you should check the label on the drive--not just what it says on the tray--as Creative slapped their name on different models.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'Virtual CD-ROM ACII PICTURE' Did you mean to include an image there?
Anyway, I was just wondering if the cdrom's 40-wire cable is connected to the motherboard or to a card, like your sound card.
According to the information in your thread before this one, "Help! Floppy Drive Might Be Broken!", all you had done was format your hard drive.
Do you have a Dos operating system installed on the hard drive?
You MUST install a Dos operating system before you install Windows 3.1. E.g. MsDos 6.2
The Dos operating system is what has the necessary mscdex.exe program pointed to in Autoexec.bat that makes the CD drive work. E.g. c:\dos\MSCDEX.EXE /D:MSCD001 /M:4
Or you can have that file on a boot floppy for the same operating system
The error message you're getting indicates the driver is attempting to load but isn't finding a compatible cdrom. That could mean the drive is bad, not connected properly, the IDE port it's connected to isn't enabled or maybe a non-atapi cdrom.
If you're posting pics I'm not seeing any. I have 'images on' in mycomputing.net.
Knowing the exact model number--not 'quad creative'. . . blah, blah--would be helpful as well as how it's connected. It doesn't do any good to echo what you've already posted while ignoring requests for new info.
Well Ok thanks for the advice,As In:Help My Floppy Disk Drive Might Be Broken, I said i formated my Hard Disk and before that it had Microsoft Windows 95 on it and the CD-ROM drive worked fine. So I dont know what to do. And I have a somewhat valid MS-DOS OS. I used sys c: and copyed Windows 95 boot disk commands to C:\> so it boots to Windows 95 DOS.
Get a screwdriver, open up the computer case and post back the model number that's on the label of the cdrom. Then follow the 40-wire cable connected to the back of the cdrom. What does the other end of that cable connect to? Does it connect to a card that's plugged into one of the ISA slots or does it connect directly to the motherboard.
So your next post should say:
The model of the cdrom is. . . . (fill in whatever it says on the label)
The cdrom is connected to. . . . (fill in how it's connected, as explained above)
I Think its connected to the Mother Board. I opened the case and the hard drive was behind the CD-ROM drive so i suspected it connected to the motherboard
That doesn't look like a model number, at least google doesn't link to any. Sony model numbers usually start with CDU.
I was under the impression, from this and your other threads, that you'd installed the cdrom yourself. So I kinda figured you'd know how it was connected. But if it was already put together and previously working before you formatted then that's different. We could assume the hardware is set up right and you just need the right driver.
If this is a 486 it's likely both the hard drive and cdrom are connected to an ISA card. If it's a pentium at least the hard drive is likely connected to the motherboard. (There was an overlap with later 486's and early pentiums where either might have on-board or add-on card IDE ports.)
So if no hardware was changed and the cdrom was previously working and the Oak driver isn't seeing the cdrom then you must need a different driver. To find the right one it is imperative to know the cdrom model number and how it's connected.
If you can't follow the cable from the cdrom back to where it's connected then just look at the cards you have installed. Do any of them have a cable coming from them that may lead toward the drive? If so describe that card.
And look again at the label and see if you can get the model number.
rem DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana /P:1f0,14 rem DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana /P:170,15 rem DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana /P: 170,10 rem DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana /P: 1e8,12 rem DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana /P: 1e8,11 rem DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana /P: 168,10 rem DEVICE=cd1.SYS /D:banana /P: 168,9
According to config.sys no cdrom driver is loading. The lines starting with REM aren't loading. Are you sure ALL the 'device=cd1. . .' lines start with REM?
Also, I'm not sure that's the oak driver. If it was, the line should read 'device=oakcdrom.sys. . .' I guess it's possible they renamed the file but that doesn't seem necessary.
Anyway, verify you've posted config.sys correctly. If so, I think I'll send you the real oakcdrom.sys and a config.sys and autoexec.bat that loads it. We'll see if that works. If not we'll try it with the sony drivers.
DAVEINCAPS did you state in: Help My Floppy Disk Drive Might Be Broken that you could email me the old 13 disk version of Windows 95? Then that would solve all my problems
DMF is just a floppy disk formatted to 1.68 instead of 1.44. You'd have to format the disks you'd use to 1.68 and if I remember, you have to specify the bytes per sector. It's just too much of a hassle especially if you already have the 95 cd and really just need a bootdisk. The bootdisk is just a regular 1.44.
I just sent you an email. Respond to it and I'll email you the bootdisk image with vide-cdd. It'll be a 98 bootdisk but you can use it to install 95 as well.
Clicking on your name no longer gives your email. I have to send you an email through computing.net which has my return address. Then you respond to it. Either that or just post your email address in your next post and edit it out after I get it.
OK, I sent it. You can edit out your email address.
When you boot up with the disk, one of the options will be to go ahead and start the installation. Since your drive is already formatted go ahead and choose that option. Make sure you have the 95 cd in the cdrom.
If for some reason it doesn't see the cdrom you'll get the same basic error as you did before and of course the install won't work.
OK, those drivers aren't seeing it. I guess I can put together a boot disk with the sony drivers but since the drive should be a regular atapi drive I'm not sure they would work either but we can give it a try. I'll email you the disk.
I just sent the bootdisk image with the sony driver--atapi_cd.sys. I tested the bootdisk on a computer with no sony drives. They were a mitsumi and acer. The driver did not detect them, which I didn't expect. So maybe there is some difference requiring a specific driver for that sony cdrom. Hopefully this will take care of it.
tried it it loaded it dident say it couldnt find the cd. But I typed cd d:\ it went to d:\ then i typed dir and it said not reading drive d: abort retry fail then i typed f 5 times then it said fail on int 24
OK, it's seeing the cdrom. I'm going to send another bootdisk image. In this one I've slightly modified the line that loads the driver to include a notation to ignore when you change the cd. I don't know if that'll help.
Try various cd's besides the 95 just in case the problem is with the cd and not the cdrom. If it doesn't see it, hit R for retry a few times to give the cdrom enough time to spin up.
Ok it detected the CD-ROM drive fine. Then I put in the disk and typed dir and held down R when it said cannot read drive d then it did fail on int 24 again. And when I type R I look at the CD-EOM and there is no disk activity. Please Dont Give Up On Me.
It is common to un-intentionally damage IDE data cables, especially while removing them - the 80 wire ones are more fragile. What usually happens is the cable is ripped at either edge and the wires there are either damaged or severed, often right at a connector or under it's cable clamp there, where it's hard to see - if a wire is severed but it's ends are touching, the connection is intermittant. Another common thing is for the data cable to be separated from the connector contacts a bit after you have removed a cable - there should be no gap between the data cable and the connector - if there is press the cable against the connector to eliminate the gap.
If in doubt, try another data cable.
If that doesn't help....
It sounds like the CDrom drive is defective. If it won't read any CD, it must be defective. A CDrom drive can't read DVDs, and old CDrom drives may not read CD-RW disks either.
The slowest would be a 1X but it probably wouldn't be compatible. Many 2X and 4X wouldn't either. If you're going to buy one get something newer. Any cdrom with an IDE interface is going to be compatible.
There's a really good chance it's not seeing the cd's because they're cd-r or cd-rw. I didn't think to mention that. Older cdrom's rarely could read them. I even had a brand new 40X that refused to read them. So try it with regular cd's and see what happens.
The file you sent me has an earlier version of the driver I put on the bootdisk--atapi_cd.sys. It's not going to make any difference. Once the driver has recognized the cdrom it's job is pretty much done.
I'd figured your cdrom was good since you said it had worked previously. But if you plan on getting a different one I still have a bunch of used ones.
Thanks so much DAVEINCAPS. I'll look for a regular CD-ROM disk. And I'll post what happens. And 2 more things. Will You put that driver I emailed you in a Windows 95 BootDisk. An will the Windows 95 CD work in my drive.
I'll go ahead and put the driver on a 95 bootdisk but I can't see that it would make a difference. Whether it's a 95 or 98 bootdisk isn't going to matter as far as the cdrom being able to read it. Once the driver sees the cdrom a cd is just a cd.
The first version of 95 wasn't capable of using FAT32 partitions. So I'd need to know what version you planned on using. It'll probably be tomorrow before I can do it.
DAVEINCAPS you helped me find that my CD-ROM drive is not corrupted. I found an old SimCity 2000 CD. I took your first Sony Driver email and made the floppy disk. I typed dir. And it showed the contents of the disk. So all I need now is a Sony Driver setup you can make and we're finished and we'll not have to use this fourm anymore.
Were you planning on installing 95 on the hard drive? If so, using that 98 bootdisk with the sony driver should work OK. You don't need to install the drivers on the hard drive.
If you're installing dos on it then yeah, you need to install the drivers. The file you sent me was an install program. Just unzip it to a floppy disk and run INSTALL.
Anyway, for a 95 install try it with the 98 bootdisk. If for some reason you have problems I'll put together a 95 bootdisk. But I don't think you'll need it.
I installed my driver. And I installed DOS. So my CD-ROM is working and pretty much I dont need that Windows 95 boot disk. All i really need is the Windows 95 on floppys. I dont know where to get those.
Do you have a 95 cd? If so you don't need the floppies. If you don't have the cd it'll probably be easier to find it than the floppies.
I should have several sets of 95 upgrade floppy disks. I think you'd need the win 3.1 floppies in order to verify the upgrade. I'm pretty sure they're the first version of 95. The one full version I have on floppy is also first version. I mentioned I had problems before when emailing them. I could try making coping and mailing them. But you're really going to be better off installing via cd rather than floppies.
Are you sure the Cdrom drive won't read a CD-R? Old Cdrom drives often have no problem reading a CD-R - it's CD-RWs they can't read. If you're not sure, copy the CD-RW contents to a CD-R and try it.
Well I'll Update My Current Status For My Older Computer: Windows 3.1,Sony Driver,DOS 6.22. And Your Right I Dident Get 13. I suggest zipping it 2 times to make it smaller.
I finally had to send disk 13 from another computer. I don't know what the problem was. I sent the disk 1 cab files from the original PC and they seemed to go OK.
I just used the same disks to upgrade from 3.1 to 95 and had no problems. So the problem was either in their transmission or on your end--your disks, formatting or floppy drive.
I have found more recent floppy disks are a lot more likely to have undetected bad sectors on them, or to develop them for no reason at all. If you copy the data DAVEINCAPS sent you to floppies with undetected bad sectors on them, you will have problems for sure. I recommend you check each floppy you use to make the win95 install disks before you put any data on them.
An operating system installation floppy set often has floppies that are very close to full of data, except possibly the last one in the set, so you often can't use floppies with bad sectors on them even if thay have been detected and have been flagged/marked as such.
In Win 95/98/98SE use Full format (RIGHT click on A: to find Format). FULL format is slower, but will find and exclude from use any previously undetected bad sectors on a floppy, a common problem these days. When the formatting is finished, you will see a summary - there should be NO bad sectors listed. If there are bad sectors, if the floppy is less than about 7 years old, I recommend you don't use it - it will probably get worse. Format another floppy instead.
In Win 2000 or XP...... I recommend you use Windows to check your floppy using FULL format. FULL format is slower, but will find and exclude from use any previously undetected bad sectors on a floppy, a common problem these days. In XP, RIGHT click on A: to find Format, DO NOT use the Quick format switch, format the floppy. After the format has finished, RIGHT click on A:, choose Properties - Free Space should be 1,457,664 bytes for an error free floppy. If it is less than that and the floppy is less than about 7 years old, I recommend you don't use it - it will probably get worse. Format another floppy instead.
You could also format each floppy in Dos to check them, but Win 95 and up have a better format command that is a lot more likely to detect bad sectors while formatting. If you go that route, format the floppy, don't use the quick switch (the default is a full format), then when that is finished, type: dir (press Enter) at the A prompt - if any bad sectors are listed I recommend you don't use that floppy.
Many times when CD/DVD drives have issues on Windows-based PCs, the system registry entries get messed up, as indicated in a Microsoft Help and Support article (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314060/en-us). Try to follow the article and see if it is helpful to you.
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