Don't let the mongrels run ya out of town XpUser. You have posted more relevant answers than most, the people like wildcat and excol are types that just come up with the old format c answer, or use Firefox to cure IE 6Xx problems...

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What's life without a little drama? If things are really that bad, why not leave without the swansong & tearful farewell? Forum life requires a degree of skin thickening - if you can't do that, well, godspeed then Forgive me, but I see these little episodes for what they are - self indulgent bids for attention, and I've seen more than a few here - hell, this isn't even the first time you've sworn to leave Almost invariably there is a return (perhaps under a different name) good luck & fare thee well I'm not one of those who think Bill Gates is the devil. I simply suspect that if Microsoft ever met up with the devil, it wouldn't need an interpreter.

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You must have an awfully thin skin, if that thread was all it took. I'd like you to rethink things a little.

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Yeh, XpUser, I know what you mean. I too have been crapped on here numereous times and people such as jboy and some of his friends were some of the detractors. I have returned from time to time just to see if the idiots have left but there is always someone to take their place. Take care my friend and be well.

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XpUser. Let me know where you go. You have my email.

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Like per and Wombat, I've been discouraged here pretty often and left for a while. Then you come back, posts some help and someone actually appreciates it and it makes your day. I recently had someone email me his appreciation, imagine that! :) Hang in the XPuser and don't let the idiots win! Musky If the voices inside my head paid rent, I'd be rich!

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XpUser - I think the Latin is "Non Illigitomo Carborundum", if the trogs can grind you down what hope is there for us lesser beings? Please, please reconsider your decision to jump ship. Some of us don't post a great deal but learn a heck of a lot just by reading responses such as yours. Whatever your decision, good luck to you. Please post at least once more to let us know where you land. Kind regards..

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XPUser I haven't been here as long as some of the others but during the time I have been year I have grown to respect a number of the regulars here. You are definately on that list. I think we all get frustrated sometimes but there is a reason you respond to posts here. You get satisfaction out of helping folks. It's like when you let someone out of the sidestreet and cut in front of you. Sometimes they lack common courtesy and don't acknowledge your gesture. That doesn't stop you from doing it the next time. Because you practice the Golden rule. Do unto others. My personal peeve here is the poster that never comes back after the initial post. I am rambling now. If you leave you will be missed.

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XP User I visit this site everyday. Sometimes I reply to a question someone asks, but not very often. I was told once (or twice) not to reply to a question unless you know the answer. I can see the logic in this and now I am hesitant to reply to many inquiries. I'm a professional carpenter that has a love and curiosity about computers. I have learned many things from you and would like to continue. You can't take everything to heart. Some people have a vast knowledge of computers and some don't. That's why we come here. I would reconsider my decision about leaving here if I were you. My Dad always said, "If they're talking about you, then they won't be talking about someone else." If out forefathers tucked in their tails and ran, we'de all be under English rule. Don't let 'em beat you, fight back. It's American............ Keep Smiling It makes them think you're up to something...

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XpUser, You were the best that this site will ever see. It is a pure shame to see this site lose your skills and knowledge simply because of a few malcontents. In The Matters Of Style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, Stand Like A Rock "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."

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BTW, while this departure topic is still warm - whatever happened to mattie. Seems like he been gone for minute now?

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Hi, XpUser, while I regret your decision, and will miss having you on the forum, I have to respect it. Good luck with all your endeavors, and remember you are always welcome back. Justin

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You will have to forgive me for this. Justin, was that what you told KTTD when he left? That is one of the most condescending statements I have ever heard!! You seem to just accept the idiots and disregard the people who make your site. Many very competent people have left here because of the fools who post and you seem to value volume over value. I realize you make revenue over the amount of posts but the degradation of this forum over the years is saddening.

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I agree with you on that per...

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Well this forum just got flushed down the drain. XpUser, your one of the main reasons why I come here and that’s to read your posts. Brian

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Info-I posted a message to Justin and he chose to delete it. He doesn't want any conflict here that would reflect on his management. The reason for the forum has become value, not content. All gone!!

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I do not agree with per on this. It is a little unfair to lure Justin into the thread just to ambush him. Astroturfing may be a tactical move that's acceptable in politics but on forums like this such an act is disingenuous on the face on it. What do you want the man to do - pick sides in a heartbeat? On almost all issues an administrator/owner of any site this popular has to be *real* diplomatic & scrutinize himself so that his actions are not misconstrued. You could have exclusively sent him a PM or something of that nature if you feel so strongly about sampling his personal opinion on XPUser's contemplation. As you can clearly see - his involvement or lack thereof is already stirring up its own little controversy..........LOL In the last 24 hours, there was a grave trajedy in Virginia that possibly implicate our gun laws & a topic this trivial is what is getting our blood boiling? Say a prayer for those families will ya.

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Wasn't trying to ambush him. I was asking for a basic recognition of the helpers. If you read the post before he deleted it you would know that.

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I actually read the post before it was pulled & I still feel you could have sent him a PM instead of making a dedicated thread just to voice your concerns. There is a likelyhood he could have addressed you more appropriately & who knows maybe even differently. Not every issue is best laundered openly you know ;-)

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OK. My bad.

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XpUser, I hold my first beer of the day and salute you! The next time I am in your neck of the woods, i will give you a call and do it in person! Take care! In The Matters Of Style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, Stand Like A Rock "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."

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Good luck with whatever you decide to do XpUser. We don't always agree but I don't think that you are "destructive" with your posts.

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Hi, In fact, I did write back to per as a private message. to per: I'm not sure what you expect me to say. The "idiots" you refer to who upset users are regulars of the site. I don't know who it was in particular that upset XpUser (it was obviously more than just one thread), but I am sure it wasn't someone just stopping by. Justin

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You gave me good advice on setting up a dual boot XP/Vista computer earlier this month and I really appreciate your advice.

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per, Let me just say one more thing, if you actually read XpUser's post, he talks about being criticized by lots of different people at different times. What is wrong with my management? That I don't ban everyone who ever says anything wrong? If that were the case, I'd have to have banned almost everyone involved in this thread at one time or another (myself included!). Besides which, if I remember correctly, almost all your complaints to me before about management have been with the removal of threads. That isn't related at all to XpUser's problem. I think you are combining things that are somewhat unrelated. Justin

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It's been a while now, the guy is obviously gone... Some might say too bad others might just have a party... It's weird how Sabertooth remembered mattie just like I did. I too was wondering where he is. Last I remember I went off to the university of texas at austin and the guy was in his heydays. At times it seemed that mattie & xpuser made a good team replying & what not...lol often they would even gang up on me. I remember mostly Sabertooth always having my back as well as others. Thanks Sabertooth. per seems to not want to let go. I hear you per/understand you trying to make weber do something so that xpuser does not leave. don't worry per he'll be back. he has to. it's in his blood. when he does I'll bet you'll see him first. just let the rest of us know will ya? it's that old wear & tear feeling when you have answered the same $$$$ question for the billionth time and you wonder if people have even attempted to fix their issues themselves or searched for the answer before even posting like lazy. Jennifer you have to say something. I mean, the guy was/is our collegue here. I would be here sitting as well if you left or sabertooth. To think of it where are you JenniferSUMN? I remember seeing Kevin The Tech Dude not just on this forum but others as well. He was/is still highly regarded as savvy when it comes to computers. if anyone could bring him back it should be him. Hell, it'd be great if we would get both of them back. But let's be realistic. I'm probably one of the reasons why XpUser left. I too was hard on him. He probably thought I hated him. I didn't. I respect him. I'm angry at myself. If only I could have not been so hard on him in the past. should I flirt a little with being selfish? should I start a "walkout" until he returns? what about real people with real computer problems? what to do? I should just accept that he left. let's all remember that at least he had a really big laugh when he typed. "ROTFL" because of what soupnasty said. Next time I RTFM I guarantee I'll think of the "old fart" like Sabertooth calls him. And smile. OVERRIDE

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XpUser If you remember, for no particular reason I complimented you on your knowledge as well as your professionalism and decorum on this forum. As such I think you should should serve as a shining example to other users and show them how to conduct themselves properly. Please don't let others deter you from fighting the good fight to spread information. We need you. I need you. As a thirty year union representative I understand your frustrations and the lack of gratitude but it's really about the work not the gratitude. But gratitude you do have. From me and everyone else in this thread and forum. Thanks XpUser.

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XpUser I second everything RandyL has just said Don't go! Lesley

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Hey Xpuser i didnt see the post but who cares, there like yesterdays headlines in news papers.... todays fish n chip paper, forgotten! , take a break and drop in occaisionally like i do just fer giggles or genuine content. Your insight & acerbic comments of M$ are brill. even jam has his days (my hat went off to jam after the 'my dude' incident way back :D im sure others will also give 100% support. cheer up cu in a few weeks.

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Salve XpUser, I'm late and anyway good luck, but... "Nolite dare sanctum canibus, neque mittatis margaritas vestras ante porcos, ne forte conculcent eas pedibus suis, et conversi dirumpant vos" (Matteo 7,6) Ciao from Italy IVO

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XpUser, Hate to see you leave as you have helped many people on this forum with your knowledge and expertise. I would hope you change your mind but whatever you decide I wish you the best. Tufenuf

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I never thought my supposedly final thread would draw tremendous responses from so many users, old & new alike, including Justin. I took every posts including the private e-mail from Justin to heart. I then asked myself: Are you sure you want to go someplace else and start over again from the ground up especially when you are not young any more? The answer is that I really am not looking forward to do it. You may think of me as an old dog, or better yet an old fart as the good Sabertooth says. I think the right thing for me to do is give it another chance but avoid saying anything that produce unpleasant consequences. So here I am back with you all. Lastly but not least important of all, I want to express my heartfelt gratitudes to each and every one of you, friend & foe alike, for the overwhelming support you have extended to me. Now let's get back to business of helping others as well as sharing our knowledge that further the cause for better computing experience. Regards i_XpUser

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Thank you XPUser

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Good for you mon ami...; you would be a great loss to what is posssibly the best forum-site (and if not "the best" then one of "the top" forum-sites). Felt a few times myself to go elsewhere... but decided to hang in here - regardless; and good to see you're able/willing to the same. And for Justin: how you maintain/preserve your sanity and cool with some of the "pholks" who post here... is worthy of praise and recognition. Overall this is one the least offensive forum-sites I've come across. Keep it going the way you do...

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XpUser: From one long-time contributor to another (I've been hanging in CN since Windows 98 was released) I'm glad to hear you're not leaving. I've had my share of criticism and frustration just like you, and others. But as a professional working in industry, that's just par for the course right. If I only had a dollar for every annoying user I've had to deal with, I could retire......a year or two back! LOL For those of you that don't contribute anything positive....someone pointed out above how tiring it can get answering the same questions endlessly for people who either don't know how to find the answers themselves (those I help as best I can and have even gone so far as to take it to email and even at times, write up step-by-step guides) or the ones that are too LAZY to do it themselves. The second type tend to get RTFM and "Google is your friend" type answers (typical case here: http://www.computing.net/networking/wwwboard/forum/31522.html) If you're a member of the "peanut gallery" who watch, read and wait for an opportunity to point out a regular posters mistake (yes, we all make them), or just pick at him because you don't like how he answered a question (or questions) feel free to step up to the plate and start helping people out yourselves. I've noticed some of the worst critic's are people I've never seen post any kind of helpful reply. I'm not sure what's up with that and truly don't understand that mindset myself, but, I don't let them worry me. Small things amuse small minds. Ignore the people with nothing positive to contribute. Even as a seasoned professional with 15 years in industry under my belt, I still learn things here from you and others like you. That's one of the reasons I stick around....to help people, which I enjoy doing, and to learn. Which I also enjoy doing.

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I second trvlr's comments.

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XpUser, Good to hear you want to come back! You can e-mail me directly if you ever have any specific problems you want to talk about. The site would not have been the same without you. Justin

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Great news XPUser! Like everyone is saying, don't let the few malcontents get you down. You and I and a handful of others have been using this site since the beginning. I got side tracked opening and running a computer store so haven't posted a lot in the last couple of years. But when I run into a problem, I search the knowledge base and look for relevant posts by you, Jennifer, Mattie, Sabertooth, Override, etc, etc. For the people who think that XPUser and a few others are "harsh", then they don't remember KTTD! He knew his stuff, but had zero patience! LOL I recently started answering post on a more regular basis also, to try and give back what I can for how much this site has benefited me. Keep up the good work everyone! Musky If the voices inside my head paid rent, I'd be rich!

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Dear XpUser, I am seriously astonished at the fact that you wish to leave this forum because a minority of the forum participants have discouraged you. But what about the majority of the other participants who wish you to stay? Your expertise in computers and your solid answers to those in need are very valuable. I very much enjoyed reading your posts. Your importance to this forum is undeniable. Therefore, I ask you to reconsider your decision. Best regards suatcini

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Who wants to be the "bad guy" here and tell Suatcini to READ THE POSTS! And he'll see that XPUser decided not to leave? Not me! LOL Musky If the voices inside my head paid rent, I'd be rich!

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Dear XpUser, Glad your back. Old fart no way, wise very much so. When I see a post by you it is always a must read. We learn a lot from this site and most of us take more than we give. You sir give a whole lot more than we deserve.

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Glad you're sticking around Ralph. Both of us have been here for a few years now. I can't reply to too many posts and assist people with problems though as my knowledge in computers is not the best. I'm only a lil' old disabled man who is still learning the Internet....and gets much enjoyment from my computer... not too much I can do because of health limitations so the computer is a good pastime. Your computer knowledge is very in-depth and appreciated by many more than what you know. Sometimes folks have loose tongues; I'm a good one for that. Been a few times I wished I had not written something, but life goes on. Heck, even if you did depart somewhere down the road, you could simply rejoin with a different user name and retire the XpUser nickname. So anyways, glad you're stayin' around, my friend. Take care...

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Glad you have changed your mind. Look forward to reading more of your posts. Take care and get stuck in. ___________________________________________ ☺ When everything else fails, read the instructions.

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Thanks for staying XpUser.

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Hey old mate, I, too, have had moments of despondency because of disparaging remarks by others here. Perhaps that's why I don't post/reply as often as I used to. The term "old fart" reminds me of a bumper sticker I had on my old car : "I'd rather be an old fart than a young d*ckhead". I still keep that phrase in mind when dealing with d*ckheads. It's good to see you've changed your mind. I remember when you first found CN, and you've since become an asset to everyone here. Please let us know if you found someone's advice to be helpful.

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Thanks Sci-Guy :-) (and everyone else too) How could I ever forgot you! You (and a few others) have taught me how to do - and master- the art of HTML, remember? I can't believe how fast the time have passed by. Comth this November 8th I would have been here 4 years. i_XpUser

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XpUser: As another one of the old-timers here at CN, I remember when you (NYC), Per (California), and me (Florida) would sometimes team up to help users in the XP forum. We joked about the large geographical triangle because of the distances that separated us, yet vastly compressed by the Internet. Not having logged on to CN in a while, I was a bit startled tonight to see your initial post about leaving CN, then pleased of course that you changed your mind. Snarky comments come with forum territory; you, per, and I endured it over five years ago. But what was true then is true now: Sarcasm is inversely proportional to a person's real knowledge about a subject. Criticism for its own sake is usually a mask for someone's ignorance. You're head and shoulders above those who post such comments. Ignore them, knowing that the majority of forum members can see through the drivel. By the way, how are things in NYC? 8-) Sincerely, Solarian

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PS Four years? Seems more like five. Jeez! Besides getting old, I hope I'm not becoming senile as well.

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So... staying after all? (heh - who could've foreseen that?) I'm glad you've come to your senses, after all of this angsty handwringing - I guess you just needed to be 'coaxed' back into the fold(?) These things resemble eulogies, with nothing but kind words for the dearly (or, in this case, 'nearly') departed I suppose it's cheaper than therapy I'm not one of those who think Bill Gates is the devil. I simply suspect that if Microsoft ever met up with the devil, it wouldn't need an interpreter.

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Hi Solarian it's great to see you posting again. Oh yes I vividly recall our banding together day in day out. Another memories I cherished is our "Bermuda Triangle," and my common grounds with per from our days in the aerospace business. Anyway I sincerely hope you'll drop in every once in a while. jboy - no one coaxed me back into the fold. It was the outpour of support from so many of you that touched me. Where else beside CN would I feel at home in a family-like kind of atmosphere, ya know :-) i_XpUser

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Well, I did say you'd be back - - although I was wrong (you never actually left) Y'know (& fwiw), I do think you're a good poster, but given this emotional deluge, one might think you had higher qualifications At any rate, if you "don't sweat the small stuff" you will (probably) be fine - a little perspective goes a long way I'm not one of those who think Bill Gates is the devil. I simply suspect that if Microsoft ever met up with the devil, it wouldn't need an interpreter.

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LOL I very much doubt I even possesses the biblical qualifications for sainthood LOL :-) i_XpUser

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I too came here about four years ago, and I picked up some HTML from the thread in which you did. I'm glad you decided to stay. What I and many more have learnt from you (and others) here is priceless. Thanks from all users in Sweden. Nigel I support Bigger feet for rabbits

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Anyone see "The Wizard of Oz" (1938)? I believe the quote from Judy Garland was: "My, things come and go so fast around here". For elderly Brits and historians: "I go, I come back" (catch phrase from WWII radio show - ITMA). It's good my grandad told me about these .... DerekW

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And now this thread is becomning in danger of "The Never Ending Story..."

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I too am glad you are sticking around. I also hope that Jboy sticks around with his velvet hammer. :) Bryan

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That's OK, we "Old timers" seldom get the chance to reminence :) We need an "Old CN poster's forum" how about it Justin? LOL Musky If the voices inside my head paid rent, I'd be rich!

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... hey - it's not just 'ordinary' sainthood - - it's cyber sainthood! (accept no substitutes) Stay or go - - it's a personal decision, really. Call me old fashioned, but it's not the kind of thing I'd hold a referendum over. If the cons outweigh the pros, I don't see where indecisiveness comes into play, and neither choice needs to be writ in stone (this must be the equivalent to a 'slow news day') I'm not one of those who think Bill Gates is the devil. I simply suspect that if Microsoft ever met up with the devil, it wouldn't need an interpreter.

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Must be, keeps you coming back, doesn't it? :) Musky If the voices inside my head paid rent, I'd be rich!

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