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XP Won't Load Correct EIDE Drivers

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Name: AcidBath
Date: April 25, 2005 at 08:05:39 Pacific
OS: Windows XP SP2
CPU/Ram: 512 MB
Comment:

System Specs:
Windows XP SP2
850 MHZ AMD Slot A
Shuttle AI61 Motherboard
512 MB RAM
Primary Master - 200 GB Maxtor HDD (shows 132 MB in BIOS and 200 in Windows)
Primary Slave - 20 GB Western Digital
Secondary Master - NEC 3520A DVD Burner
Secondary Slave - Lite-On 52X CD Burner
GeForce4 MX4000 AGP Graphics Card
Generic 4 Chanel Sound Card
Generic Firewire Card

OK, here is my plight...

Came into my computer room last night to find my machine at a blue screen saying something along the lines that Windows had stopped and to remove any new hard drives, IDE controllers, etc and try again.
I'm not sure why it did this but it is possible my three year old was resetting the computer repeatedly.

So I try to boot normal, safe mode, etc and nothing works until it magically boots fine.
But performance is terrible. So on a hunch I check and my primary master is running in PIO mode! The menu says "DMA if available" but it is running in PIO.

So I start to Google and find the people talking about how Windows will knock your drive to PIO if there are too many read errors (my son resetting a ton of times maybe?). So I follow the steps and hack the registry and reboot. It doesn't work. So then I see that Windows says to just delete your IDE drivers in Device Manager and reboot to do about the same thing. So I do.... and hence my woes....

Now Windows cannot seem to load the correct IDE drivers. It did so fine when I fresh installed a few weeks ago. But now it detects it as "IDE Channel" then gives an error saying there was a problem because the driver was not meant for this platform.

So I go to AMD's site and get their drivers. It installs a "AMD 751 Dual Channel IDE Driver" but it still loads the bad IDE drivers.

I am desperate now. The system runs like crap in PIO mode. Windows will not just load whatever drivers it did when it installed itself and I am stuck.

So thanks for reading my book. Very sorry it is so long. But I wanted to give all the info I had. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

The only thing to do with good
advice is pass it on. It is never any
use to oneself.
- Oscar Wilde 1854 - 1900



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Response Number 1
Name: steppenwolf1
Date: April 25, 2005 at 08:58:26 Pacific
Reply:

did you try safe mode?hit key f8 and it hit first choose the last known working configuration option,then safe mode if that doesnt work


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Response Number 2
Name: steppenwolf1
Date: April 25, 2005 at 09:03:05 Pacific
Reply:

did you try safe mode?hit key f8 and first choose "the last known working configuration" option,then safe mode if that doesnt work,then see whats marked in yellow marks in the control panel device manager


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Response Number 3
Name: AcidBath
Date: April 25, 2005 at 09:24:35 Pacific
Reply:

When it was doing the blue screens I did try safe mode and that returned a blue screen also.

But it did eventually boot into Windows just fine. Now I am having the IDE driver problems and PIO mode problems.

The only thing to do with good
advice is pass it on. It is never any
use to oneself.
- Oscar Wilde 1854 - 1900


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Response Number 4
Name: OtheHill
Date: April 25, 2005 at 11:50:20 Pacific
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Your problem may be due to the MBoard BIOS. In order to properly use your HDrive your BIOS should be 48 bit LBA compliant, and it isn't. Look here for solutions to overcome this problem in WinXP.
http://maxtor.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/maxtor.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=960
Additionally, you need to use WinXPsp2 to correct a condition that can cause data loss or corruption even if your BIOS does see the entire drive. Look here for additional info on 48 bit LBA compiance.
http://www.48bitlba.com/index.htm


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Response Number 5
Name: JennyJ
Date: April 25, 2005 at 19:42:35 Pacific
Reply:

You could try running an O/S repair from the XP disk. Boot to disk as though you were going to re-install and opt for repair (R) on the second screen, NOT the recovery console option. This will then load generic IDE and system drivers back to your system drive (probably C:).

Jenny


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Response Number 6
Name: AcidBath
Date: April 26, 2005 at 05:26:33 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for all the help everyone.
I hate to say it but I am thinking my 200 GB Maxtor may be failing (after only 5 months or so) because after running CHKDSK it found and corrected a few errors and now the system works fine (after rolling back to a previous restore point to fix the screwing arond with drivers that I did).

I am back to UDMA Mode 4 (ack, need a new mobo!) but am thinking I may need to RMA this drive before it dies.

The only thing to do with good
advice is pass it on. It is never any
use to oneself.
- Oscar Wilde 1854 - 1900


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Response Number 7
Name: OtheHill
Date: April 26, 2005 at 06:32:08 Pacific
Reply:

Reread reply #4. Using a 200GB HD in a system without a 48 bit LBA compliant BIOS and OS is asking for trouble.


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Response Number 8
Name: AcidBath
Date: April 26, 2005 at 07:11:57 Pacific
Reply:

The BIOS is not LBA 48 but the OS is XP-SP2 and the drive is split into two partitions (120 GB and 80 GB). I understand what you are saying but looked into that issue extensively. There is no risks involved with this setup in regards to damaging a drive or getting data corruption.
If you can point to data supplementing this theory though I would be happy to review.

The only thing to do with good
advice is pass it on. It is never any
use to oneself.
- Oscar Wilde 1854 - 1900


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Response Number 9
Name: OtheHill
Date: April 26, 2005 at 08:51:35 Pacific
Reply:

This is from the Maxtor website.

The system BIOS does not support the full capacity of my hard drive?

Question
What do I do if my system BIOS does not support the full capacity of my Maxtor hard drive?

If the BIOS only recognizes 528 MB, 2.1 GB, 8.4 GB, 32 GB or 137 GB of the hard drive, your system BIOS may not support the full capacity of the drive.

Answer
There are three possible answers to this question:
Check with the system or motherboard manufacturer for any BIOS upgrades for the system. If there are no BIOS updates from the manufacturer you can visit www.esupport.com for a BIOS update. Maxtor Corporation has no affiliation with esupport.com and offers this information as a courtesy to our customers.


(Recommended) Purchase a PCI ATA controller card that will support the capacity of the drive. The two benefits of ATA controller cards are:
the ability to support large capacity drives
the ability to support the faster transfer rates of the drive. Maxtor's online store, www.MaxStore.com, has a complete selection of ATA controller cards that support all Maxtor drives.


The last option would be to use our MaxBlast software. The MaxBlast software will automatically install an overlay (EZ-BIOS) on the hard drive to support the full capacity of the drive.

Important: For drives that are larger than 137 GB please refer to Answer 960


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Response Number 10
Name: AcidBath
Date: April 26, 2005 at 09:40:26 Pacific
Reply:

OK, that explains how to get around the LBA 48 problem on older systems, which granted, can be confusing for n00bs but mentions nothing about how running these work arounds will "cause data loss or corruption even if your BIOS does see the entire drive".

The only thing to do with good
advice is pass it on. It is never any
use to oneself.
- Oscar Wilde 1854 - 1900


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Response Number 11
Name: OtheHill
Date: April 26, 2005 at 09:49:23 Pacific
Reply:

No, what that says is that if you don't have a 48 bit LBA BIOS you need add in controller card, update the BIOS to a 48 bit LBA BIOS, or use the Maxtor drive overlay. It doesn't say you can fudge the BIOS by partitioning the drive. You may indeed be OK with the drive partitioned but I don't think so. If this were a legitimate method to get around BIOS limitations don't you think Maxtor would instruct folks how to do that instead of recommending they update the BIOS.


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