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Original Message
Name: XpUser
Date: November 2, 2006 at 09:08:33 Pacific
Subject: WU IE7 Installation surprises
OS: XP Home & PRO All SP2
CPU/Ram: 2.02GHz/512RAM
Comment:

If you are on automatic windows update, you will seet this first.

Once you click on the yellow exclamation in the systray, you will see this next. If you click on the hyperlink "Click Here for more information about this upgrade," it will take you to this page which explain about the Automatic Updates distribution process..

When you click on the Install button, the first thing it does is run the WGA validation check to make sure your XP is legit. This is the surprise because nowhere in the Automatic Updates distribution process page did it say anything about running WGA check. What's more, there is NO cancel button to stop the process.

After you pass the validation check, it will then run the malicious detection engine before initiating IE7 installation.

Beware of M$ - they are finding ways to do things more secretively.

i_XpUser


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Response Number 1
Name: StuartS
Date: November 2, 2006 at 09:47:06 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

So whats the problem. If you wont want IE7 you don't click install. If you do, you click Install.

You can take it as read that any download from MS is going to do the WGA check first. It has been like that for quite a while now. Where does the secrecy come into it.

Stuart


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Response Number 2
Name: XpUser
Date: November 2, 2006 at 09:53:27 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

You're correct :-)

I have no problem with it. All my XP is legit. I posted this info to let people know what to expect if they want to install IE7.

If you download IE7 straight from M$ download library, you would be told that it requires validation check. What they didn't say is that you still have to have another validation check once you start the installation process. Hence this post.

i_XpUser


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Response Number 3
Name: mattie
Date: November 2, 2006 at 10:21:28 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

pull the cable, click validate ... and, surprise, you will pass the test without being connected to the internet LOL

Today's subliminal thought is: 'Calm down ... it's only ones and zeros.'

icq 10183575


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Response Number 4
Name: zero244
Date: November 2, 2006 at 10:28:53 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

I agree.....Since when does MS have the right to decide if you have a legit copy of there software. Who are they the Software Piracy Police now. There are legal channels to go through for piracy issues.
If they erroneously determine you have a illegal copy of there software they then install the nag screen. Which forces you to call them and straighten it out.
I personally dont like it either.
Microsofts paranoia may come back to bite them if they keep pushing this stuff.
I use XP right now and like it....but if linux or something comes along that is less of a hassle to use without out all this validation Cr@p I will ditch MS for good.
I would Linux now if it was more refined.


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Response Number 5
Name: Sabertooth
Date: November 2, 2006 at 11:58:36 Pacific
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If Operating Systems Ran The Airlines.


UNIX Air

Everyone brings one piece of the plane along when they come to the airport. They all go out on the runway and put the plane together piece by piece, arguing non-stop about what kind of plane they are supposed to be building.

Air DOS

Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides, then they jump on and let the plane coast until it hits the ground again. Then they push again, jump on again, and so on...

Mac Airlines

All the stewards, captains, baggage handlers, and ticket agents look and act exactly the same. Every time you ask questions about details, you are gently but firmly told that you don't need to know, don't want to know, and everything will be done for you without your ever having to know, so just shut up.

Win9X Air

The terminal is pretty and colourful, with friendly stewards, easy baggage check and boarding, and a smooth take-off. After about 10 minutes in the air, the plane explodes with no warning whatsoever.

Windows NT Air

Just like Windows Air, but costs more, uses much bigger planes, and takes out all the other aircraft within a 40-mile radius when it explodes.

Windows XP Air

You turn up at the airport,which is under contract to only allow XP Air planes. All the aircraft are identical, brightly coloured and three times as big as they need to be. The signs are huge and all point the same way. Whichever way you go, someone pops up dressed in a cloak and pointed hat insisting you follow him. Your luggage and clothes are taken off you and replaced with an XP Air suit and suitcase identical to everyone around you as this is included in the exorbitant ticket cost.

The aircraft will not take off until you have signed a contract. The inflight entertainment promised turns out to be the same Mickey Mouse cartoon repeated over and over again. You have to phone your travel agent before you can have a meal or drink. You are searched regularly throughout the flight. If you go to the toilet twice or more you get charged for a new ticket. No matter what destination you booked you will always end up crash landing at Whistler in Canada.

Linux Air

Disgruntled employees of all the other OS airlines decide to start their own airline. They build the planes, ticket counters, and pave the runways themselves. They charge a small fee to cover the cost of printing the ticket, but you can also download and print the ticket yourself.

When you board the plane, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the seat-HOWTO.html. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very comfortable, the plane leaves and arrives on time without a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip, but all they can say is, "You had to do what with the seat?"

Vista Air & Space

We are coming very soon to your town or a city near you, in the interim all your base are belong to us.


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Response Number 6
Name: mattie
Date: November 2, 2006 at 12:13:10 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

fedora core 6 is out now and so is ubuntu 6.10 :-)

both nice distros.

Today's subliminal thought is: 'Calm down ... it's only ones and zeros.'

icq 10183575


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Response Number 7
Name: XpUser
Date: November 2, 2006 at 12:22:04 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Bravo, Sabertooth bravo! Your analogy about "If Operating Systems Ran The Airlines" makes it a lot easier for the non-technies to understand the chaos we see/read about/experience/feel over who own what and our rights as customers/users in the dark & greedy world of cyberspace :-)


i_XpUser


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Response Number 8
Name: StuartS
Date: November 2, 2006 at 13:19:25 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

>> Since when does MS have the right to decide if you have a legit copy of there software. <<

Everyone has the right to determine what happens to their own property.

> Who are they the Software Piracy Police now. <<

When it concerns their own property they are.

Stuart


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Response Number 9
Name: mattie
Date: November 2, 2006 at 15:44:16 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

cut the crap, m8!

if a car manufacturer wants you to pull into a garage first thing every morning to prove the your car hasn't turned into a stolen vehicle overnight, he'd go belly up tomorrow.

when i buy a computer from a brand OEM i have to pay the windows tax, k that's cool. but i simply deny the ministry of love access to my computer in a of breech privacy because they don't have the right to do so, period.

Today's subliminal thought is: 'Calm down ... it's only ones and zeros.'

icq 10183575


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Response Number 10
Name: Bryco
Date: November 2, 2006 at 16:22:29 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

In the download details screen the first line reads:
Quote
This free upgrade to Internet Explorer for genuine Windows customers...
End of excerpted quote.

I am not really ready for IE7. I have reviewed it within Vista.
I am just not ready but now it sits in my XP's Notification area until I go for it. If I remove the tick next to it then it remains in the notification area as a ready download.

I happen to like IE6.

Bryan


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Response Number 11
Name: XpUser
Date: November 2, 2006 at 16:25:31 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Yes the download page has it but not the automatic update. It will surprise you. I wonder if all subsequent windows updates will include WGA.

i_XpUser


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Response Number 12
Name: StuartS
Date: November 2, 2006 at 17:18:29 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

>> if a car manufacturer wants you to pull into a garage first thing every morning to prove the your car hasn't turned into a stolen vehicle overnight, he'd go belly up tomorrow. <<

The difference is, you buy the car, it becomes your property. You don't buy software, you buy a licence to use it, it remains the property of the person or organisation that produced it.

Software has always been like that, it is not an invention of Microsoft.

Stuart


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Response Number 13
Name: ebk
Date: November 2, 2006 at 23:57:29 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

"If operating systems ran the airlines" is a classic. I emailed to several people.

Windows Media 11 instillation also requires validation.


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Response Number 14
Name: mattie
Date: November 3, 2006 at 01:01:36 Pacific
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stuart, i'm well aware of that (btw. what about the software used in modern cars? doesn't that make you think? :-). but there are countries where WGA is violating laws and law suits are pending. governments all over the world told to ms to shove wga 'up their own'. they didn't do that beceause they think ms is aw so right about wga. and even if i don't want to use this POS, i still have to pay the windows tax.

Today's subliminal thought is: 'Calm down ... it's only ones and zeros.'

icq 10183575


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Response Number 15
Name: domass
Date: November 3, 2006 at 16:18:37 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

From XPUsers link at the top.
Distribution of Internet Explorer 7 by Automatic Updates will take several months to complete.

What????


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Response Number 16
Name: XpUser
Date: November 3, 2006 at 16:25:39 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

How many language flavors does Windows have? Instead of deploy IE in all languages at once they are spreading it over several months.

i_XpUser


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Response Number 17
Name: Bryco
Date: November 3, 2006 at 16:36:09 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

"Yes the download page has it but not the automatic update."

I have automatic updates set to notify me when a download is available. I click on it's Notification Area Icon and at the bottom of the page is the download's details. I copied and pasted the below from that page.
Quote
This free upgrade to Internet Explorer for genuine Windows customers...
End of excerpted quote.

Regards,
Bryan


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Response Number 18
Name: Bob (by BigBob)
Date: November 4, 2006 at 03:34:45 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

I recievied the IE7 Update notice by auto updates on the 1st of Nov.
But refused it.

" Please Post back to let us know if we helped "


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Response Number 19
Name: Bryco
Date: November 5, 2006 at 02:02:00 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

I took the plunge. It's not so bad other than I can not seem to rid my Taskbar of the Language bar.

Bryan


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