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Name: barrygg
Date: June 14, 2008 at 12:40:13 Pacific
Subject: Windows XP Setup did not find any h
OS: Windows XP Home
CPU/Ram: ANF Athlon 2600X/512
Model/Manufacturer: Evesham
Comment:

My Bios does not recognise my MAXTOR UDMA100 4R120l0 after the Bios battery was reseated. The Bios states IDE disk is not installed although settming is set to AUTO. After XP recovery disk is read I get the message above. I have read that I need to create a floppy Bios recovery disk but have no floppy drive available to write to. Is there any other way of overcoming the problem. I have reseated all cabling k


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Response Number 1
Name: kx5m2g
Date: June 14, 2008 at 12:57:19 Pacific
Subject: Windows XP Setup did not find any h
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Can't you reset the bios to default or optimal ? Those are not necessarily the best settings, but that might allow the buos to again see the hard drive.


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Response Number 2
Name: per
Date: June 14, 2008 at 14:06:31 Pacific
Subject: Windows XP Setup did not find any h
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I am, not familiar with that mobo but might the bios be set to recognize sata or vice-versa ide?


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Response Number 3
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: June 15, 2008 at 07:26:53 Pacific
Subject: Windows XP Setup did not find any h
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I'm assuming you have a desktop computer.

Why did you think you needed to re-seat the bios battery?
They usually last at least 5 years. Unless the battery is older than that, or was installed upside down (+ is supposed to be upwards), or has contact problems between it and it's socket, you won't likely have problems with it.

I'm assuming you actually do have an IDE drive. If you are mistaken and you actually have a SATA drive, that is a whole different situation. In that case, Windows Setup often doesn't find the SATA drive at all unless settings in the bios Setup are appropriate and set to IDE compatible mode.

I'm assumimg the IDE drive was already bootable - had Windows installed on it - and booted up no problem before you changed the battery.
If it is a new drive, or a drive that has no data on it, the bios will not find the IDE drive is bootable in any case - you must make it bootable by installing an operating system on it - usually that's Windows.

If the IDE hard drive was seen previous to replacing the battery, if nothing about the way the hard drive is connected to the data cable or the jumpering on the drive was changed, your bios may not be seeing a bootable hard drive, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's not seeing the IDE drive.
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However, if the bios isn't seeing the IDE drive at all, if you were fiddling with the data cable for, it may now be damaged or have a poor connection.
It is common to un-intentionally damage IDE data cables, especially while removing them - the 80 wire ones are more fragile. What usually happens is the cable is ripped at either edge and the wires there are either damaged or severed, often right at a connector or under it's cable clamp there, where it's hard to see - if a wire is severed but it's ends are touching, the connection is intermittant.
Another common thing is for the data cable to be separated from the connector contacts a bit after you have removed a cable - there should be no gap between the data cable and the connector - if there is press the cable against the connector to eliminate the gap.
80 wire data cables are also easily damaged at either edge if the cable is sharply creased at a fold in the cable.

Try another data cable if in doubt.
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If the bios is recognizing the IDE drive, usually it's model number is displayed on the first screen as you boot, and when you go into the bios setup, some bioses also display the model number or at least the size of the drive there too.

Auto drive detection is merely that - the bios will detect the drive, if it has power, it's data cable connection and jumper setting on the drive itself is correct, and if the drive is working correctly.

When you change the mboard battery, the bios usually loses it's custom cmos settings - at the very least, the time and date - and reverts to default settings, the same as if you had cleared the cmos by moving jumper on the mboard then moved it back to the normal position.

If your mboard has (a) SATA drive controller(s) on it, the default boot order in the bios is often to boot from a SATA drive first. On some such mboards if you have no SATA hard drive connected, the bios will automatically look for a bootable IDE drive, but on some other such mboards, it will still look for a bootable SATA drive first, and you have to change a setting in the bios setup to have it boot the bootable IDE drive by finding a list of detected hard drives in the bios setup, often near where you set the boot order, and changing that list so the IDE drive model is listed first.
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If the Recovery CD is not seeing the IDE drive, you bios settings are screwed up, or the drive is not being detected because you connected it improperly to the data cable or the data cable is damaged, or you jumpered the drive improperly, or you forgot to connect it's power connector, or your power supply is failing, or, least likely, the drive is faulty and can no longer be accessed.


Failing power supplies are common and can cause your symptoms.
Check your PS.
See response 4 in this:
http://www.computing.net/hardware/w...

Check your hard drive with the manufacturer's diagnostics.
See the latter part of response 1 in this:
http://www.computing.net/windows95/...

(thanks to Dan Penny for this link:)
Hard Drive Diagnostics Tools and Utilities
http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm...

If you don't have a floppy drive, you can get a CD image diagnostic utility from most hard drive manufacturer's web sites, but obviously you would need to make a burned CD, preferably a CD-R for best compatibilty, on another computer if you need to.


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Response Number 4
Name: barrygg
Date: June 17, 2008 at 14:28:56 Pacific
Subject: Windows XP Setup did not find any h
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Thanks for reply - Yes I have Evesham Desktop running XP SP2 - Fault arose when system decided to boot erractically and I reseated Bios. Motherboard is MSI KT4AV MS-6712 ATX for AMD Athlon. Hard disk is not a new drive Maxtor Diamond max 4R120l0 120GB EIDE ATA -133 5400RPM, this was OK before Bios problem.


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Response Number 5
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: June 18, 2008 at 07:46:24 Pacific
Subject: Windows XP Setup did not find any h
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Bioses don't stop recognizing a drive that was recognized fine previously out of the blue. Something must have changed your situation.
If you did not fiddle with bios settings or the data cable to the drive or the jumper setting on the drive since the drive was last recognized correctly and was booting reliably, your problem was caused by something else, and probably had nothing to do with the bios or it's battery.

A computer rebooting for no apparent reason, or shutting down for no apparent reason, or not always booting normally, can be caused by all sorts of hardware or software problems, but that's virtually never caused by the bios battery, or by bios settings unless you changed them.

You can correct the detection of the IDE drive by following some of the stuff I told you in my previous post. If the drive itself tests okay with the manufacturer's diagnostics, your problem is caused by something else.

"...I reseated Bios"
I assume you mean "I reseated the Bios battery" or similar.
If you re-seated the bios chip in it's socket, that's a different matter.


Describe the symptoms you had before you re-seated the battery in as much detail as you can manage.


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Response Number 6
Name: barrygg
Date: June 18, 2008 at 10:24:20 Pacific
Subject: Windows XP Setup did not find any h
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Yes Bios battery reseated - Big mistake.
Before Bios problem Desktop would sometimes boot OK with no apparent problem, but at other times would only boot to Windows XP banner message and no further. A power off/on and trial and error would eventually get it working. I reseated only disk cable attachments and Bios battery as explained earlier. Now on bootup it requires a boot record. I have inserted Evesham restore CD and it loads Windows files and goes into XP Home setup. Then then I get message 'Setup did not find any hard disk drives installe don your computer'.


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Response Number 7
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: June 18, 2008 at 16:36:15 Pacific
Subject: Windows XP Setup did not find any h
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I'll reply to your last post in a short while - in the mean time check out this possibility:

MSI mboards are more likely than some other mboard brands to have the bad capacitor problem.

Open up your case and examine the mboard to see if you have bad capacitors, and/or other findable signs of mboard damage .

This was the original bad capacitor problem - has some example pictures.
History of why the exploding capacitors and which mboard makers were affected:
http://members.datafast.net.au/~dft...

What to look for, mboard symptoms, example pictures:
http://www.badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=5
Home page that site
- what the problem is caused by
- he says there are STILL bad capacitors on more recent mboards.
http://www.badcaps.net/

Pictures of blown capacitors, other components, power supplies, Athlon cpu's, etc.:
http://www.halfdone.com/Personal/Jo...


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Response Number 8
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: June 18, 2008 at 20:35:51 Pacific
Subject: Windows XP Setup did not find any h
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Your mboard has no SATA controllers, so that is not a factor to consider regarding bios settings and your problems.

If your hard drive is working properly, is connected to it's data cable properly (if you removed it, it may be possible you installed it backwards), if the data cable is not damaged (see above), if the jumper setting on the drive is correct, if the drive is receiving power and is spinning, then your bios default settings, and your Recovery CD should have no problem seeing it properly.

But
- is the bios seeing the drive?
- is the hard drive working okay?
- is the power supply okay?

I have no idea whether your Evesham system has a Evesham bios version on your mboard, or just the regular MSI bios version. Sometimes lesser brand name systems don't bother customizing the bios version, or they do but the only thing that is different is the logo screen you see while booting is the brand name's (Evesham) instead of MSI, or they may do like major brand name system builders do - use an more modified bios version, often leaving out some settings you would normally see in the MSI version.
I'm assuming the bios Setup settings are the same as in the MSI bios version.

If the mboard bios is seeing the hard drive, you may see the model of the hard drive on the first screen as you boot, if that isn't obscured by a logo screen. If you don't see that model number and you're getting a logo screen, you could try turning off the logo screen.

Go into the bios Setup ....
(In any case, if you have been messing with bios settings, load bios defaults, save settings, then go back in.)

Advanced Cmos Features

Full Screen Logo Show
If you are getting a logo screen while booting, Disable it temporarily, save bios settings.
That will probably allow the hard drive model to appear on the first screen as you boot if it is being detected properly.

While you're in the bios Setup, somewhere you may also see the model of the drive there, or the parameters for it, or at least that it has been detected.
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If the hard drive is not detected
- is it spinning?
- are you sure it's connected correctly, and the data cable isn't damaged?
- is it making any strange noises?

Have you checked the power supply (see above)?
Have you run diagnostics on thre drive (see above)?

IDE 1 - Primary IDE - is the header farther away from the corner of the mboard
IDE 2 - Secondary IDE - the one closer to the corner of the mboard

If you have the drive you want to boot from on the IDE 1 header (Primary) jumpered as master, or on the end connector of a 3 connector cable if you are using cable select jumpering, it should boot with default boot order settings.
However, if the mboard is seeing the drive as slave ands it's by itself on the cable, this mboard probably will not see it at all.

If in doubt, try connecting the hard drive to another computer if you can, as slave on primary ide, or as master or slave on secondary IDE. Don't boot with it on the other computer - you just want to establish whether it is detected and working - it is normal for XP to not load Windows if the chipset on the other mboard is more than a little different, and if it does boot into Windows you will be loading settings for a different mboard.


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I thought MS-6712 sounded familiar to me.
I turns out it is, very much so.

There are two nearly identical MS-6712 series of mboards - there is a Ver. number beside MS-6712 - which one do you have?

Both series are marked KT4AV, but some have the built in LAN option (and network port) and are actually KT4AV-L - the mboards are identical except the one without the LAN chip are missing the chip and it's network port.
One series has the Via KT400 chipset, the other has the slightly newer Via KT400A chipset.
The manuals for both series say they are for Ver. 1.x mboards - it's only when you take a close look you find one series has the Via KT400, the other the Via KT400A.
However, on the actual mboards that main Via chip is covered by a heatsink - the two series of mboards can look identical otherwise.

A friend of mine had a mboard marked KT4V (it's actually KT4V-L) and MS-6712 Ver. 10A (= 1.0A).
About a couple of years after she got it (she had her computer on 24/7) it would misbehave and sometimes do flaky things, such as reboot for no apprent reason, and some other things I don't recall. She put up with that until she could afford to buy XP MCE 2005 and wanted me to take the computer to my place and reload her system.
I figured I might as well try flashing the bios while I was at it, since release notes for newer bios updates seemed to indicate it might help.
It turned out I used the wrong bios version - for the MS-6712 series with the KT400 chipset. That mboard has never booted since I flashed. The bios chip is soldered into the mboard, rather than being in a socket, so it was not an option costwise to pay to have it replaced. I only found out after removing the heatsink it has the KT400A chipset - pictures I found on the web had the same MS-7612 Ver. 10A on them, but apparently MSI had provided the wrong picture. Ver. 10 (1.0) has the KT400, but Ver 10A (1.0A) has the KT400A chipset, as does Ver. 1.1.

I replaced the mboard with an Asus A7V600 (Via KT600 chipset) instead and was able to use the same cpu and ram on it.

I had never encounted a mboard with the bad capacitor problem, so I didn't look for that at the time. Now that I look at it, her mboard has no obvious leaking or blown apart capacitors, but there are 2 larger ones near the cpu socket that appear slightly bulged on the top, and three smaller ones near the ram slots that appear slightly bulged on the top - that may have been the cause of the flaky behavior(the tops of them should be dead flat).

I had a mboard of my own develop the symptoms of bad capacitors about Nov. 2007 - a Gigabyte 7ZMMH, another Socket A mboard.
It was rebooting for no apparent reason, etc., and when I looked closely at it, it had several obvious bulging and leaking capacitors - I stoppeed using it, and tried it again about a month later - it no longer boots.
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Response Number 9
Name: barrygg
Date: June 19, 2008 at 14:25:25 Pacific
Subject: Windows XP Setup did not find any h
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Thanks everyone for the replies. I took various options on the advise given . I checked the disk drive - It was spinning, I checked all pins and again reseated the disk cabling. Then I went into Bios and set it up with default settings. My PC then rebooted OK without the need for a recovery disk!
I hope it stays Ok - Once again thanks everyone for your help.


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Response Number 10
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: June 19, 2008 at 19:19:46 Pacific
Subject: Windows XP Setup did not find any h
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That's good to hear!


It could have been...
A common thing is for the data cable to be separated from the connector contacts a bit after you have removed a cable - there should be no gap between the data cable and the connector - if there is press the cable against the connector to eliminate the gap.


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