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Where's the beef?

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Name: Tribalt
Date: November 4, 2006 at 19:43:05 Pacific
OS: XP Pro
CPU/Ram: P4 / 1024
Product: Omicron
Comment:

After all the hoopla and hype (mostly from MS and its enthusiasts), I installed IE7. Where's the beef?

It's like a poor man's version of Firefox, without the versatility and security.

Aside from the tabs, there's not much new. Most of IE6's most common features have just been moved around or made harder to find. The default Search Assistant is anemic and a PITA to change.

Supposedly, MS says I can uninstall IE7 and revert back to IE6. Why do I have this ominous feeling that, should I uninstall IE7, part of my operating system's going to be trashed or corrupted?

What I like best about IE7 is that Avant browser still works flawlessly sitting on top of it. :)



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Response Number 1
Name: lurkswithin
Date: November 4, 2006 at 19:58:47 Pacific
Reply:

If you don't like it ..uninstall it. I did and so have a lot of others in here for reasons different than your own.

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Response Number 2
Name: StuartS
Date: November 4, 2006 at 20:41:18 Pacific
Reply:

>> The default Search Assistant is anemic and a PITA to change. <<

I had no problems changing the default search engine to Google. But then I suspect it is because I possess that somewhat rare ability to read and understand instructions.


Stuart


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Response Number 3
Name: DataAnvil
Date: November 4, 2006 at 20:46:09 Pacific
Reply:

I uninstalled IE7. IE6 was restored. Sort of. Import/Export in File was inoperative. Find on This Page in Edit didn't work either. The OS wasn't affected, but IE6 is partially crippled.


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Response Number 4
Name: XpUser
Date: November 4, 2006 at 20:52:08 Pacific
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That's too bad. I understand that M$ is no longer is obliged to fix IE6 whenever a new exploit surface.

Speaking of IE7 Search engine, pick your provider from this list.

i_XpUser


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Response Number 5
Name: SudsTheatre
Date: November 4, 2006 at 21:14:28 Pacific
Reply:

We'd agree with lurkswithin, Tribalt, uninstall it if you don't like it. Your misgivings about corruption to the operating system are not totally unfounded, given MS's habit of interlocking some of their code. If you didn't image your hard drive before IE7, you'll have to take your chances.

Stuart S, glad you didn't have any problems changing the default search engine. But adding that I suspect it is because I possess that somewhat rare ability to read and understand instructions was sarcasm whose only purpose seems to be your own self-aggrandizement.

DataAnvil, you can repair the crippled portions of IE6 using your XP installation disk (not OEM), or by the looking up the relevant articles in MS's KBase.

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Response Number 6
Name: XpUser
Date: November 4, 2006 at 21:16:54 Pacific
Reply:

Where's the beef?

Here's the beef: Redmond engineered IE6 so that it stood out as a core component of XP. If you try to remove it, XP will no longer work.

By introducing IE7, the install process (I watched it very closely) rearranged IE6 core plumbing’s before IE7 were integrated. In a nutshell, the fact that IE7 isn't used as a core component of XP help made the OS less susceptible to zero day exploits.

i_XpUser


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Response Number 7
Name: BlackHatSaloon
Date: November 4, 2006 at 21:54:21 Pacific
Reply:

XpUser, I agree with your statement that since "IE7 isn't used as a core component of XP help made the OS less susceptible to zero day exploits."

But that's not sufficient to prove your declaration: "Here's the beef."

Simply giving IE7 architectural distance from the OS is only a modest improvement from IE6. By the same reasoning, Firefox possesses even more distance from the operating system. A real zero day exploit is a root kit which changes the OS at its most fundamental level: the kernel. Neither IE7 or Firefox can protect the OS from this type of invasive code. Yet.

But to be fair, you did say less susceptible.


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Response Number 8
Name: Sabertooth
Date: November 4, 2006 at 22:08:11 Pacific
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"I had no problems changing the default search engine to Google. But then I suspect it is because I possess that somewhat rare ability to read and understand instructions."

ROFLMAO!



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Response Number 9
Name: FortMyers
Date: November 4, 2006 at 22:45:23 Pacific
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My only issue with the search box is that there's no option to remove it. I don't need it in the browser. Or am I missing something - is there a way to remove it from the interface?


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Response Number 10
Name: StuartS
Date: November 5, 2006 at 04:50:56 Pacific
Reply:

>> But adding that I suspect it is because I possess that somewhat rare ability to read and understand instructions was sarcasm whose only purpose seems to be your own self-aggrandizement. <<

That's the problem with sarcasm, it is completely lost on those that it is aimed at.

Stuart


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Response Number 11
Name: retired1
Date: November 5, 2006 at 06:35:25 Pacific
Reply:

Hi all,

I am just your average Joe User & IE-7 is working for me quite well. It does everything I have asked it to do with no problems and with the added benefit of actually using less resources.

I have worked with a dozen tabs open and even on my old P3 with 512 of memory there were no problems.

I printed out and use the Quick Reference Sheet from the M$ site.

Bottom line is I guess for the not too computer literate who does not disect every program for subversive activity and is glad to have it do what he requires IE-7 functions A-OK.

Have a great day, Bob

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Response Number 12
Name: lurkswithin
Date: November 5, 2006 at 22:21:58 Pacific
Reply:

Congratulations Bob!

I am really glad that it is working good for you and that you had no problems in installing it or in using it. That is what Microsoft loves to hear from the average, casual user.

But most of us are not the average, casual user that you are. In as such we have to have programs that we can depend on for what we need them to do. I use IE6 and am using Firefox sometimes also...I wish that I didn't have to do that and IE7 was suppose to be that single all powerful browser utilizing the best from all worlds.
I tested it and found it quite good in most areas...and to that is what you are allotting to....to me it lacked in the availability to be individually controlled...ie, that had settings that I could set myself for my preferences not microsoft's.
So I uninstalled it as I found it lacking and as to what I maintained from the start of this thread...If you don't like it...do as I did...uninstall it. very simple pretext.

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