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Swap mobo, will XP still run?

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Name: splinters
Date: April 1, 2007 at 12:12:48 Pacific
OS: Windows XP MCE
CPU/Ram: AMD X2 3800+/2gb DDR2 533
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Alright, this first line is for Jam;

I BOUGHT A CRAPPY ACER DESKTOP

Ok, now that is done, I am convinced the Mobo is the cause of many problems, ACER will not honour my warranty as I replaced the PSU so I have no real choice but to replace the MOBO (the other parts are decent enough and NOT ACER branded).
Will any of these options work in order of preference;

1. Replace the Mobo with an identical size and chipset (Nforce 405/6100 etc.)from another manufacturer (Asus)
and run as normal...if not;

2. Reinstall windows from the eRecovery disc I have..if not;

3. Get a friend's copy of the XP MCE CD and use my own product key to install...

4. Throw this PC a the wall as hard as I can and amuse myself by counting the pieces...(I just know what the answer will be here :-))



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Response Number 1
Name: splinters
Date: April 1, 2007 at 12:16:32 Pacific
Reply:

I forgot to add another option...I have a vista upgrade coming this week (it was free) and apparently there is a well known workaround to get an upgrade to do a clean install without the need for an existing OS...not sure I can say that here though...


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Response Number 2
Name: SNYP40A1
Date: April 1, 2007 at 12:36:42 Pacific
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That should work. If the chipset is the same, you should have no problems. Onetime though, I went from an Intel -> Via chipset and I had to do a complete reinstall of Windows. I could not even get to the screen where I could specify to boot in safemode. But for the same chipset, you should be fine.

USE YOUR TURN SIGNALS AND PAY ATTENTION WHEN THE LIGHT TURNS GREEN.


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Response Number 3
Name: jam
Date: April 1, 2007 at 12:39:34 Pacific
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I don't think there's anything wrong with the Acer board & I think by replacing it, you'd just be compounding your mistakes. Instead of throwing more money at the Acer, do as I suggested in you other thread. Return it to it's factory condition (reinstall stock PSU, remove extra RAM & any other upgrades) & sell it. Then start from scratch....


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Response Number 4
Name: splinters
Date: April 1, 2007 at 13:10:45 Pacific
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Ok Jam let us just clear the air here;
I won a nice grpahics card and wanted a nice simple PC to house it. I priced up a dual core AMD chip with 1gb ram-usual basic extra stuff and it came to over £300 without an OS. So when I saw the Acer for £299 with OS and Vista upgrade, I thought what the hell-I can't build the same PC fot that, if worse comes to worse, I can strip out the bits anyway. So that is effectively what I am doing now. The Acer Mobo is generally believed to be crap, like most Acer stuff while the card is quality. I will lose money selling the PC second hand and I want the OS and Vista upgrade. If a £45 mobo does the trick then I genuinely am happy with the outcome. Otherwise I have a nice graphic card (that I need for my work) that I cannot use.


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Response Number 5
Name: RichGu
Date: April 1, 2007 at 13:33:03 Pacific
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Splinters, so what is the actual problem you are having with your Acer?

Why do you feel you need to replace the mobo?

What is it NOT doing?

Rich Gu


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Response Number 6
Name: orbital
Date: April 1, 2007 at 13:58:00 Pacific
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We have been thru all this before, many times, are you a SERIAL POSTER who will not take advice ?:

http://www.computing.net/hardware/w...

http://www.computing.net/hardware/w...

http://www.computing.net/hardware/w...

etcetcetcetc......


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Response Number 7
Name: splinters
Date: April 1, 2007 at 15:30:48 Pacific
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No I am a troubled PC owner who only posts for help as a last resort after trying everything I can. Is there a limit to the posts I can make?
I determined the problem and decided to ask a different question i.e. about swapping out a board so as no to confuse the issue. The fact that you take pleasure in playing sleuth and linking the poster to the problem is your business.
I had to start another thread because I felt that 'you bought a crap PC' and 'buy another one' was not really helping me with the problem I had. I thought these forums were for help rather than criticism?
Sorry I asked, this used to be a place where you could get a sensible answer, and for those who have tried to help-thank you.
All I needed to know was if I could swap the mobo, reinstall without problems, or install a fresh copy using my serial code. A combination if YES/NO would do the trick. Surely it takes more of your time and effort to make critical replies and judge the quality of my PC against your own standards??


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Response Number 8
Name: tropic
Date: April 1, 2007 at 16:45:43 Pacific
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I've often been able to swap out a faulty motherboard for another without having to reactivate, but since you bought a crappy Acer Microsoft won't help you activate it if XP gets suspicious with the new motherboard. You'll have to plead your case to Acer, and they'll kindly tell you to sod off.

Now with the Vista upgrade coming, you'll probably be receiving your license directly from MS... this would be a good time to ditch the crappy Acer motherboard and install a non-crappy motherboard to run your mediocre components.

"If it ain't broke, upgrade anyway."


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Response Number 9
Name: jam
Date: April 1, 2007 at 17:45:38 Pacific
Reply:

splinters,

I know your story all too well. I also know that you started posting back in January & although many of us have tried to help you, you still haven't figured out the problem yet. Only so much can be done thru a forum. You said that you've built several PCs in the past & I have no reason to doubt you, but I would think that if you're as knowledgeable about hardware as you claim to be, you'd have taken one look at the Acer T180 specs & just kept on walking. Obviously your purchase was based on price, not on components.

You said you need the 7900GT "for my work"...what kind of work do you do that requires a high end gaming card?

Here's another idea...sell the video card & buy a different one. Since your planning on installing Vista anyway (yuck), why not get a card that will support DX10?


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Response Number 10
Name: splinters
Date: April 2, 2007 at 00:29:15 Pacific
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Yes Jam, I must admit greed (and laziness)got the better of me when I saw this PC. I won the card and would probably have bought something a little lower specced. I am an illustrator using CGI for my graphics and I am beta testing trueSpace 3D software which uses a realtime DX9 3D environment. My NDA stops me from discussing exact details but it involves particle systems and fur as well as next gen renderers which require some serious graphic power to run in realtime. I also use a lot of photoshop (which really chugs on a 6100 chipset)and really need Dual DVI monitors which the card gives (gave!) me.
I also work for Caligari designing their user interface and the release of the software is a few weeks away. I am supposd to be testing it in a Vista environment (hence I don't mind upgrading)and I also have a distribution deal for the children's books I write and illustrate.
So as you can see, I wanted a PC with a reasonable CPU and a couple of Gb of Ram to put the card in...nothing more, no overclocking...odd FPS game but not a priority...and plenty of graphics horsepower for the CAD stuff. As you can imagine, a PC running like a dog (onboard graphics) at least let's me meet my contractual work, albeit slowly, which is why I am reluctant to send the PC off to Acer for several weeks...but it is really slowing me down. The card could be RMA'd just to be on the safe side but if a new mobo would get me back to speed (quickly)then that is the best option for me.
So, you see I know what I am doing but my 'work' needs stop me from taking some of the advice given...I am not being stubborn or a serial poster. More than my sanity depends on this...the relase of a major piece of software (and my paycheck for completing the contract) mean I need to fix this PC quickly. To be honest, I would lose more than the price of a new mobo if I sold it anyway and it would come with a 3 year warranty which, frankly, I don't have with Acer anymore.

You say you don't think the Mobo is at fault but the card no longer works in it so it must be a failing component from the card or mobo. £30 would get me a diagnostic at my local PC shop and then I may still have to buy a mobo. If I am wrong then I wasted £45 but the card goes off to xFx and at least I know the problems. I am just concerned about losing my OS and Vista upgrade via a mobo swap. That is why I started this thread.

Thanks for all your help and advice though, I really do appreciate it.



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