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Strange processes - no google info

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Name: katiad
Date: January 22, 2005 at 22:49:17 Pacific
OS: Win XP Pro
CPU/Ram: unknown at moment
Comment:

I'm reformatting my friend's virus-riddled computer... for the second time tonight. After the first reformat, I connected to the campus network to download basic things. Of course, I immediately got the sasser worm, but no big deal, I could handle that, right? Only in the midst of dealing with that, I ran across another CPU munching process. It was crrss.exe. I did a quick google search, and all it pulled up was two sites in German. It doesn't seem that the process exists. In addition, I found ntfs64.exe and windowsfix.exe, both not doing anything, but both also apparently nonexistent processes. Has anyone else seen these? Have any clue what it could be? Also, at the beginning of startup, I get some strange messages written in a command prompt box. Image here: http://www.demonique.net/messages.jpg

Help, anyone?




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Response Number 1
Name: Richard59
Date: January 22, 2005 at 23:05:36 Pacific
Reply:

Since you are going to format again then before you connect it back to the network you should load up firewall and antivirus as well as SP2 The unknown processes could just be something put there by the campus network administrators.
By the way your link doesn't work.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
Teach him to fish and his wife will never forgive you.


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Response Number 2
Name: www
Date: January 22, 2005 at 23:06:26 Pacific
Reply:

remember before connecting to the net ,at least turn on the windows firewall.
preferably install zone alarm, and an antivirus program.


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Response Number 3
Name: RichGu
Date: January 22, 2005 at 23:14:59 Pacific
Reply:

I am running CSRSS.exe now.
(and have seen it running on every XP machine Ive ever run)

I am not familiar with ntfs64.exe and windowsfix.exe, I suspect these will be safe to disable.
(you're not running 64 bit XP, are you?)

RichGu
Win XP Pro - SP2
P4 3.2 Prescott / Intel D865 Perl mobo
768 MBs PC3200 DDR


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Response Number 4
Name: KenOath
Date: January 22, 2005 at 23:15:24 Pacific
Reply:

You may also have a virus in the CMOS which
no amount of formatting will remove.
I'd suggest taking the left cover off the
system & find the jumper for clearing the
CMOS before having another go at installing
the OS.
Unfortunately the onboard anti virus
protection designed to stop virus's
infecting the CMOS is usually turned off in
the bios by default because it slows the boot
time down by 5 to 10 seconds-& well-people
don't like waiting for their system to boot..
Once you clear the CMOS you'll need to go
into the bios & load the setup defaults &
perhaps turn the bios anti virus on to stop
the CMOS from being re-infected again.


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Response Number 5
Name: kinel
Date: January 22, 2005 at 23:24:59 Pacific
Reply:

Afraid I know know what these processes are but as you've discovered, connecting an unprotected PC to the internet is digital suicide. The projected survival time of such a machine is reckoned to be around 20 minutes!

See here: (and note this was in August 2004)


http://news.com.com/2100-7349_3-5313402.html

or Google for "survival time for unprotected pc"

Before you connect you ABSOLUTELY MUST install at least an anti virus programme and update it with the latest definitions which you can usually download as file to apply offline.



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Response Number 6
Name: kinel
Date: January 22, 2005 at 23:27:57 Pacific
Reply:

BTW, did you mean csrss.exe.exe and NOT crrss.exe ?


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Response Number 7
Name: kinel
Date: January 22, 2005 at 23:30:04 Pacific
Reply:

Richard59

Link works for me....!...?


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Response Number 8
Name: katiad
Date: January 23, 2005 at 01:01:12 Pacific
Reply:

No, I mean crrss.exe - csrss.exe is there, too. I've double-triple checked. Reformatted again, reinstalled, this time getting the antivirus and firewall programs up and running before connecting, and no weirdness yet, though I'm headed to bed.

Just wondering if anybody had heard of these before.


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Response Number 9
Name: katiad
Date: January 23, 2005 at 01:08:06 Pacific
Reply:

And no, these aren't things put there by the campus administrators - this is the only computer I've seen it on here. And no, the CMOS virus protection is enabled and working well. And since it's a laptop, and not mine, I'm not interested in taking it apart to mess with it. *laugh* But so far, so good on the second reformat.


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Response Number 10
Name: TheLegend
Date: January 23, 2005 at 05:49:21 Pacific
Reply:

Csrss stands for client/server run-time subsystem and is an essential subsystem that must be running at all times. Csrss is responsible for console windows, creating and/or deleting threads, and some parts of the 16-bit virtual MS-DOS environment.


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Response Number 11
Name: katiad
Date: January 23, 2005 at 19:42:13 Pacific
Reply:

Yes, I know. But it's not csrss.exe that I'm having problems with. It's cRRss.exe - two R's.


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Response Number 12
Name: kinel
Date: January 24, 2005 at 01:15:50 Pacific
Reply:

Hope you're sorted now but if not this might be worth a try.

Kill the crrss.exe process.

Go and find the file and either delete it or at least move it somewhere (just in case!).

Create a .txt file and save it as crrss.exe in the folder where the original was.

Change it's properties to read only.

Not guaranteeing this will work, depends on what crrss.exe actually is and how clever it is but the object is, if it tries to install itself on the machine again, it may fail because of the dummy file.

I have used this technique in the past on friends machines for things such as the blaster worm and seems to have worked in that instance.

Also, and I've advocated this many times, download StartupMonitor from

http://www.mlin.net/

A very useful arrow in your quiver of protection tools.


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