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April 13, 2011 at 13:31:35
Specs: Windows XP Media Center, Dual Core: 2.00ghz/2.00ghz
Ok, now I know about reinstalling this OS. I got it installed. (seems you can install on same partition as the system files, it is all like automatic!! How wonderful!! At the point it asked for the Service Pack 2 disk, I had to cancel because there isn't one. The 3 disks that are here are the two installation disks and one that says : Windows XP Media Center Edition, Updates for version 2005, which won't install because it is missing a dll file. Going to download that and see what's what. Sooooo why is the only folder on the desktop the trash bin? Got a limited Start.........So here I go, installing more stuff on it. Back to installing and looking...............

Jann


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April 13, 2011 at 18:35:16
The missing dll is SRclient.dll. I did a bunch of research and see that it should be in the windows/system32 folder. I have that in my folder on my machine, can I just copy it on a CD and put it on the other machine? I do tend to dredge up stuff from my Win98SE and 2000 Pro days that no longer work in the newer Win Oses.

THANKS!!!

Jann


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April 15, 2011 at 08:52:27
Oh boy, what a mess. I could see there was something wrong with the XP install so I decided to do another clean install. Shut down the machine, turned it back on. Yipe! Got a CMOS check sum error. Which tells me the battery is either low or shot, but told it to keep booting into Windows. Got in there then shut down again to do the install. Started to install then got an error message that said No harddisk found. Shut dwon, rebooted, got into Windows just fine.

When I rebooted again the first boot up screen said:
AMIBIOS 2004 American Megatrends
775Dual-VSTA BiosP1.70
CPU Intel Pentium D CPU 3.40GHz
Speed: 3.40GHz
F2 to run setuup (BIOS)
F11 for Boot Menu
Single Channel memory mode
2048MG 0X

Second screen :

37AR100, ROM FOR RAID
Scan drivers, please wait
to RAID
CTR10 Chn 10 Master ST3160 811 AS-SATA mode
Press <tab> Key into user window!
If you want to install Linux default partition RAID please do not use PROM

Did research on both of these, found a few answers here and on Tom's Driver page. The BIOS help didn't work because the options were different. (I have the motherboard and harddrive manual and the disk that came with it) No help there, on running the CD is says do I want to create a floppy with the drivers on it, I can't because there is no floppy drive, so I hit n and was sent back to the frist boot screen.

While I was in BIOS, I went to the boot sequence screen. That is when I saw that it was: 1st: Atari CD-ROM, 2nd: Atari CD-ROM, 3rd: Movable Drive or something like that. Where did all that come from, I didn't change it. My question at this point is: did the low battery cause all those changes? And if the BIOS doesn't 'see' the harddrive, how can I log into windows? And why can't I reload the drivers from the RAID disk?

Any answers to all this that were in this forum and Tom's Harddrive site/forum haven't worked so far. (yes, I took out the battery for awhile to see if the BIOS would be reset, no luck. Plus, since that first check sum error, I have not gotten it again.

HELP! You are the smartest people I know!

Jann coming to you from the fully restored Win 7 machine!!


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#3
April 15, 2011 at 09:53:42
when you removed the battery [why you didn't replace it???] the bios goes to defaults which is what you are seeing.

The disk error during install is due to not feeding install the host bus adapter for the drive [you need the sata controller driver which is not included in xp]

Answers are only as good as the information you provide.
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#4
April 15, 2011 at 10:22:26
"At the point it asked for the Service Pack 2 disk, I had to cancel because there isn't one. The 3 disks that are here are the two installation disks and one that says : Windows XP Media Center Edition, Updates for version 2005, which won't install because it is missing a dll file. "


It sounds like you DID NOT install MCE the right way !

I'm assuming the first two CDs are the OEM MCE 2 CD set.

If you use the OEM MCE 2 CD set to install it, there are bugs in it's Setup that were in the first version (MCE 2002) that have never been fixed in newer versions, such as MCE 2005, the currently available version.

When you get through about 2/3 of the way loading files from the first CD and setting up Windows, it asks you to insert another CD, but the title of it is WRONG. Insert the second CD in the SAME drive at that point. It will load files from the second CD for a while, then it asks you to insert another CD, but the title of it is ALSO WRONG. Insert the first CD in the SAME drive at that point, and Setup will finish successfully.

If you get confused about what CD Setup is asking for and Skip loading files from the second CD, or Skip loading files from the first CD the second time, MCE is not installed properly!! You must start Setup over again, from scratch, and do it the right way!

It sounds like the third CD is accumulated updates for the MCE version. Those can also be loaded via Windows Update.
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If you have MCE 2005 it already has Windows SP2 updates built into it.

You need to load Windows SP3 updates.

See Response 6
http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...
starting at
"If your XP CD does not have SP3 updates included, the best time to load them is right after you have installed Windows from scratch...."

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"Shut down the machine, turned it back on. Yipe! Got a CMOS check sum error. Which tells me the battery is either low or shot, but told it to keep booting into Windows. Got in there then shut down again to do the install."

You get the "CMOS check sum error" message.....

- if there is a problem with the battery or it's connection
- if the battery has been removed, or if it's too weak, or if it's dead, or if it's got a poor connection in it's socket to it's contacts, or if it has been installed upside down in it's socket - usually the + must be on the top when it's installed
In that case the bios Setup settings have been set to defaults, and you can set at least the Date and Time in the bios to get rid of the message, but if the problem is not fixed, the error message will appear again while booting after every time you have shut down the computer.
Coin shaped batteries normally last about 5 years from the time they were made.

If your problem is caused by a too weak or dead battery, you need to replace it !

- if you have removed the battery and have correctly re-installed it, or if you have cleared the Cmos by moving a jumper on the mboard then moved it back to the "normal" position.
In that case the bios Setup settings have been set to defaults, and if you set at least the Date and Time in the bios to get rid of the message, that message will NOT appear again as long as there is no problem with the battery.
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"Started to install then got an error message that said No harddisk found."

I assume you mean you started to install MCE again.

All XP CDs have no SATA controller drivers built into them.
If the bios Setup has the SATA controllers in SATA or AHCI mode, when you boot from the XP CD, if your hard drive is a SATA drive, he initial files loaded from the CD cannot find any SATA drive.

The simplest way to fix that is to find the setting for the SATA controller mode in the bios Setup and change that to an IDE compatible mode of some sort.Save bios settings.

It must have been set that way previously before bios defaults were loaded, (if you did not press F6 near the beginning of loading files from the first MCE CD and load SATA controller drivers from a floppy disk in a conventional floppy drive the first time you installed MCE).

If this is a brand name system, I / we probably can't find the info about what you see in your bios Setup,.but wherever it is, it's presently set to SATA or AHCI, it's changeable, and at least one other choice is an IDE compatible mode of some sort.

If this is a generic system, if you provide the make and model of the mboard, I / we can usually find the mboard manual and usually in that manual is a detailed description of the settings in the bios Setup that I / we can find the setting you need to change in and tell you about.

An IDE compatible mode of some sort - e.g. IDE, EIDE, ATA, PATA, Compatible, etc.

When the SATA controller mode has been set to an IDE compatible mode of some sort in the bios, the XP CDs WILL detect SATA drives,as IDE compatible drives,when you boot from them.

After Setup has finished, after you have installed the drivers for your mboard including the SATA controller drivers, you can then go into the bios Setup and change the SATA controller setting to SATA or AHCI mode, if you wish to.



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April 15, 2011 at 11:25:20
I didn't replace it because it was in the night, for one thing. For another, I couldn't find my stash of batteries from other computers and third, if I could still drive I would have gone to Wal-Mart, but I can't.

For some reason I can't reply to you guys individually, so this is a comment for both. Iam on the Seagate site right now, so I will install the drivers. I would think this CD that came with this system would have them. It also didn't come with a Console Recovery disk.

Wish I would have known about those OEM install problems before I did it. I think I installed right, I got the instructions from this forum. When I can solve this drive problem, I will use the ones you have given me.

THANK YOU BOTH!!

Jann


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#6
April 15, 2011 at 11:51:15
Just saw the bottom of this. I did go into the BIOS and IDE was already set. According to the manual that came with this for the mother board and hard drive, I had to set the RAID to non-RAID. That should answer your question about the m/board. It is a generic system.

I also had an ugly thought so I am also downloading the diagnostic program for this hard drive.

Will let you know! THANKS AGAIN!

Jann


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April 15, 2011 at 11:59:39
"Iam on the Seagate site right now, so I will install the drivers."

The hard drive does not need any drivers.

The Seagate site does not have SATA controller drivers
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The IDE compatible drivers are built into Windows.

If you change the setting I told you of in response 4 in the bios Setup, you do not need to load SATA controller drivers to install MCE from the CDs.

In any case, you can't load the SATA controller drivers by pressing F6 near the beginning of loading files from the first MCE CD unless you place them on a floppy disk in a conventional floppy drive connected to your mboard. The XP CDs cannot recognize most models of USB floppy drives, and they cannot recognize the SATA drivers being on any source except a floppy disk.
That's the reason it's far easier for most people to change that SATA controller setting in the bios Setup to an IDE compatible mode. I have noticed that most recent and fairly recent Asus mboards have it set that way by default.

"It also didn't come with a Console Recovery disk."

The Recovery Console is built into the first CD, but that's of no help in this case - it sounds like you need to install MCE from scratch the proper way


"Wish I would have known about those OEM install problems before I did it."

For whatever reason, that info is hard to find on the web.

There is no retail version of any MCE version - they are all OEM versions.

Most MCE installations were included on brand name system computers, and in most if not all cases they DID NOT come with the OEM MCE 2 CD set, and that set is NOT available for them - the software was installed by means of a multi-disk archive that installs everything that was originally on the brand name system, from scratch - you can't install just MCE or run a Repair installation of Windows from that set..

The reason I know all about how to install MCE properly is I have installed it many times, from an official Microsoft OEM 2 CD set, for MCE 2005, for someone else's generic system and for my brother's system. .

The first time I had to figure out what the problem was by trial and error. After that I eventually found similar info on the web.
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Side notes.

Because of bugs in XP MCE's Setup, you can't load the second MCE CD when you run a Repair installation of Windows procedure, which does not delete your personal data that's already on the partition Windows was installed on - Setup will not accept the second CD as a valid source.You must quit Setup at that point.
If whatever problem you were trying to fix was fixed by the contents of the first CD, then Windows MCE will work fine - if not, you must install MCE from scratch again.
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Windows SP3 updates cannot be integrated into the contents of the MCE CDs, like they can for a "silpstreamed" CD for XP Home or Pro can.
You cannot run
SFC /SCANNOW in Windows successfully after the SP3 updates have been installed in Windows - SFC will not accept the MCE CDs as a valid source because they have no SP3 updates built in.

However, you probably can make a "slipstreamed" CD from the first MCE CD that has the SATA controller drivers for your mboard , or other drivers not built into the CD, integrated into it.


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April 15, 2011 at 12:58:48
"I did go into the BIOS and IDE was already set. According to the manual that came with this for the mother board and hard drive, I had to set the RAID to non-RAID. That should answer your question about the m/board. It is a generic system."

It would help if you told me / us which make and model the mboard is.

Bioses are NOT normally set to use RAID by default, because most people do NOT use that feature.

You can't set up a RAID array unless you have at least two physical hard drives in any case, and if you DO want to set up a RAID array you do that BEFORE you install the operating system.

You may see lines on the screen about RAID while booting - you DO NOT need to press a key to go there unless you DO want to set up a RAID array.

Whatever the bios settings are, the bios must recognize that the hard drive is there.
If it doesn't, the most likely thing is you have a power or data cable for the drive unplugged, or the SATA data or power cable end connector is not "latching".

Check your SATA data cables. The connector on each end should "latch" into the socket on the drive and on the mboard, or on the drive controller card - it should not move when you merely brush your hand against it near the socket - if it does, mere vibration can cause a poor connection of it - use another SATA data cable that does "latch", or tape the connector in place.
(There is a slight projection or bump on one side of the outside of the connector that "latches" it into the socket - it's easily broken off or damaged)

The same thing applies for the SATA power connection.

"I also had an ugly thought so I am also downloading the diagnostic program for this hard drive."

I have rarely had problems with Seagate drives. They have a 5 year warranty.

Of course, the bios must recognize the hard drive is there in order for the SeaTools diagnostics to find the drive. The bootable SeaTools versions you load on a CD or a floppy disk will work regardless of whether the operating system on the drive is working properly.
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The mboard either has a SATA controller with RAID support built in, or it doesn't.
The same bios is often used whatever that situation is.

If it has a SATA controller with RAID support built in, when you eventually load the SATA controller drivers, if you are given the choice of either the drivers for a SATA controller with RAID support, or a very similar named one without RAID support, usually you MUST load the drivers for the one WITH RAID support when the SATA controller supports that - the ones for the SATA controller without RAID support will usually NOT be accepted by Windows .
Using RAID is always optional.The RAID drivers also support non-RAID use.


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